 So our next talk will be held by Guinness She is a researcher in computer science and a PhD student to be that There's a lot with security stuff and she is a member of quadratour du net and Maybe you've heard that some French cities are pushing for a lot of technology everywhere So so-called safe smart cities of course that means a lot of surveillance everywhere and That is where the new campaign Technopolis of quadratour du net comes in place and that is exactly what Guinness will talk about So please give her a warm applause for her talk so Thank you everybody for being here and hello everybody So I'm gonna talk about Safe cities the risk in our society and the new campaign We are starting with liquid hot or the net which is called technopolis all the tools. We are setting up to fight The use of technologies for security reasons in the cities So Our hero said I'm PhD student to be in computer science Especially in sad solving. I'm a member of La quadratour du net and exodus privacy And I'm the kind of people that freaks out when I see a camera in the outside So this is basically what we are talking about Like big screens control everywhere Security cameras microphones drones all this kind of stuff that many Myers in France are trying to use In accordance with the police to secure the city So I will first out with an observation and all the kind of projects that we have seen In France over the past two years and that are being said set Sorry set up in In the cities in As experiments actually So there are many projects as I said for example in the south of France the cities of Marseille and this tried to Add some a facial recognition at the entrance of the high schools to know exactly who is in the high school at which moment Saying that it would help if some people try to enter the high school without being allowed to do so in the city of nice also the The mayor and the city tried to use Android applications called reportee to call the police and directly video stream and stream geolocation To the police so they can have an insight on what is going on for many different reasons and Most more recently In the city of San Tatiam we heard about a big project of the secure District with microphones drones automated cameras and eventually Police patrols if it is necessary So I thought about facial recognition We tried when we heard about this project to Stop it. We started legal action against the city and the high schools and We managed to have it reported but a few months ago We were alerted that the Portals were installed not set up and Functional but already installed and they should start to be used in September The Android application called reportee Which is basically Collaborating with the police so you can call the police with a direct button Stream video to the police center. You can stream the geolocation and give some more information and Everything Just nice already had the highest density of video cameras in France with nearly 2000 video cameras on the whole city, which is about 27 cameras per square kilometer In the city of Marseille last year they wanted to build What they called the big data observatory? to Give some predictive analysis to the police to see what will happen tomorrow based on what happened yesterday They wanted to aggregate the data from everywhere road traffic whether data from the fire workers from the justice from the video cameras From the course but also using the Croters thing so text message video audio you can give your stress level and This couple with your geolocation Localization gives an insight of what is happening but also the social media data for example Twitter and Facebook data streams and So they wanted to use this All this data with some AI to To have this predictive analysis analytics for the police and What starts to be quite terrifying is that They are working not Only inside the state, but they are working with big companies like Thales or NG Which create some huge contracts and gives these companies access to the data. They are collecting In the city of Saint-Etienne, which I talked about a little bit before The setup was more this one though. They wanted to have Microphones that detect so-called weird sounds in the documents We managed to get it was like really said weird sound so it can be tradings crash barks spray paints Nearly everything that is not Normal so-called normal and then if necessary they will check with Automated drones or the surveillance cameras to see if it is necessary to send police patrol on the zone where the problem was detected and Obviously everything is recorded and fed to a data platform So they can aggregate all this data and train some AI To have some more precise Analysis of what is happening and what is really a weird sound or what is not a weird sound? They have some business words the companies the cities it is always in the communications the same words so fear Real time because they want to have like real-time analytics and real-time answers to the problems and infallible they Think that big data is the solution to everything and that they can detect any problem to create the perfect calm city. I Don't know what this means. I don't feel safe in a city where there is no sound or anything and the question we were asking with the members of Lacoa.org the net is Why? We do not want to have this in our world What impact it can have on the society and on the way we live on a daily basis So first of all It France is not the first country where such experiments are being Set up we have seen it already in China in the US in the UK especially in London and These experimentations have proved not to create safer spaces For example in the city of New York They failed to detect Driver drivers based on automated facial recognition on a bridge In the city of London They were there were many way more false positive Detection that True positives which eventually led to useless police operations and Multiple people were arrested. Whereas they shouldn't have been arrested. So this kind of technology has proved not to be More efficient than just human beings We also have some more Social problems with this kind of Security based way of life first of all we Know that there is this Hawthorne effect is that which is that by just knowing you are being surveilled or observed You change your behavior. For example when I'm In a city walking or riding a bike if I see some Cameras or some police officers in the streets, I will not behave the same way Sorry, I did they weren't here Also It reverses the burden of proof in that people have to prove that They are not guilty they have to prove constantly their innocence instead of people Being oppressed or oppressed that have to prove that they were indeed oppressed and In this way it changes the police work Instead of fighting crime Instead of protecting the population They just make sure that everybody conforms to a society model that everybody fits in this society model and One last important point Which mostly concerns? Artificial intelligence and use of big data is that We know that our society already had a lot of bias for example, the Western world is mostly racist homophobic transphobic and Using AI based on bias data has been proved to reinforce this bias and Using such technologies To secure the city will just lead tomorrow discrimination segregation and Increase the gap between the good citizens and the unwanted citizens And so the question is what do we want in our society? I mean, do we really want a like a big brother society with constant surveillance with firing on a daily basis every day every time That we are being surveilled that we could be arrested because we just Walked not the way they wanted us to walk or because I don't know we they saw that we had Maybe a knife in our pockets or that we were taking pictures of field of cameras or that we were I don't know just sitting with a hoodie and Doing some stuff on our computers in a bar Do we really want this perfect neighborhood that they are trying to sell us which is like Silent free of all the human extravagance No gravity in the box. No noise No people are running their bikes or anything. Do we really want this? And Also, do we want to give still more data to big companies like I don't know tell us and she's with and and she which are really fund of data and People they can Create what they want As a society with this whole data because they are training the AI so They are choosing the way this AI will be trained and will behave and then give control and give some Control to the police in the way they will behave because They can choose what will be reported as weird or dangerous or not This kind of technology sets everything on the same level Weather problems a car crash a crime terrorist attacks everything is everything is considered on the same level as abnormal and Then the next question is what can we do to fight this kind of Society model they are trying to force us to have and To live and There are many ways of doing this. The first thing is raising awareness Which is what I am trying to do now with the whole of you here and So just speaking about this with Your neighbors your friends your family which are not necessarily aware of this We can try to block this project either on using legal ways or other ways and Also, we can try to work together We are working on the French level because we mostly have the knowledge of the French law and French administration But it would be interesting to have some other initiatives Going in the same ways in other Countries and trying to set up everything together to see What are the most beloved projects? What are the most used companies which company try is trying to sell what kind of of infrastructure what kind of projects and so we Eventually arrived to this campaign which we launch in September on the 16th of September Which is called techno police so techno like technology and Police like the police because this is what they are really trying to create So first we will work At the French level as I said before And we'll try to provide multiple tools Our idea is to create a decentralized action Run by local committees in the city and to provide all the tools that they can need to block this project to discuss and share about their way of Blocking their actions what was efficient what was not efficient what kind of projects are being set up For example, I know I saw once that there is this startup in France in France called my Mary which is like my city Which is selling some And raid applications and infrastructure with Click button system for the cities To set up what kind of Control they want to have it do they want to be warned about in in civil it is do they want to be warned about I don't know trash bins being full of Or when there are some car crashes when there are some intervention on some in some streets if there are some Some works in another street, but they are selling this handout application already and not for a lot of money. It's something like Renting the whole system for 500 euros per month, which is not a lot for Let's say a 10,000 people city and I Will now describe the tools that we have set up or that are being set up because We are still being setting up some tools for the campaign The first tool is our manifesto That we were a few months ago, which is translated in English It is not yet available in English Because we do not have the English version of the website And it describes our vision of this This world they are trying to create what is dangerous in this world and What we would like to see How the way we we want To To see this this world without this constant surveillance, which is inefficient We will provide a website, which is already set up with an easy access to all the other tools with some articles are on the new project we are aware of on the legal or political actions that we are starting on the victories we can have for example when we managed to block Surveillance at the facial recognition portals in the south of France And which also gives access for example to the manifesto We provide a Forum which will be basically Where people from other regions of France can talk Share about their experiences on the technopolis Where they can share The projects they may have heard about Where they can share What they tried I don't know talking to the mayorals Attacking the projects on a legal basis Anything actually We also set up a tool called wazzy Which is a software That creates That allows people to create and share Document collections and to create some links between entities For example, you can create entities which will be the cities The big companies selling the project the project the actions that are Currently running the victories and then you can have an easy access from You can yeah create some links between all this information and all this data and you can Italy see for example, which companies Which company is selling what kind of projects are they selling video cameras? Are they selling artificial intelligence? Are they selling micro phones and drones? Are they selling bundles with everything's everything ready? it is kind of useful to have this insight on all these projects and Yeah, so Yeah, I kind of forget that I wrote all this on the slide. So this is basically what I said before And the last tool We are trying we are currently setting up is a secure a drop to leak for people who wants to leak some Information they have about some projects if it is like an experiment or a private project or if people are Working in company selling this kind of projects and initiatives Secure drop is the in our opinion the best way of Licking data everything is based on tour we will provide and Hand out an easy glide a guide of using Secure drop how to use it What are the risks and how to protect again this kind of risks? It is not set up yet because we were supposed to set this up during the CC camp, but we didn't have enough time and So it is currently being set up, but it will be available on the website in a few days When everything is ready actually and If you are working in big companies, please do not hesitate to Leak the data you may have heard about if you are working I don't know in City in France and you are here about this kind of projects do not hesitate Secure drop is running everything behind hidden services on tour so you are kind of well protected and you If you respect the way it is supposed to be used you want to be Sorry, I'm losing my words You won't you don't have any problem and you really remain anonymous and Conclusion a big conclusion actually I will Sum up what we would like to see also in the next month actually First of all as I said before we are aware that similar projects are being set up in other countries I I spoke with people from Tunisia saying me that such projects are being set up and We are really interested in creating some new relations with some other NGOs or some other collectives trying to fight this Same kind of projects in other countries and to share experiences and maybe reach the European level for example to have some laws protecting us against And this kind of project we know that in the US for example multiple cities and states are Trying to ban Fascial recognition or automated for shall recognition. So We already have some examples that of cities that do not want anymore this kind of tools We have already this kind of arguments to use to block this kind of projects If you find some leaks some flaws or whatever if you I don't know I find a way of Shedding down some cameras do not hesitate communicate about this Recreated a hashtag technopolis on Twitter. You can contact us on Contact at liquid or at your dot net or contact at technopolis dot net both email address are available and also Unluckily Like quadra tier is fine struggling in Getting enough money to run every year. So if you have some spare money Please do not hesitate to donate Even a few euros Will be sufficient to help us actually And I'd like to thank Everybody of you for your attention and I think we can move to the Q&A Part of this talk Thank you Guinness. So we have lots of time for questions and answers if you want to Put a question for Guinness. There's a microphone in the front and in the middle of the tent. Please come to those microphones Anybody Yes, I'm sorry. I do not really see very much. Yeah someone Hi, that was super interesting. Thanks. I was just wondering, you know in case we do not manage to fight this off Do you know of any countries in Europe preferably that I'm explicitly not trying to? You know infiltrate everything the citizens do I'm sorry, I didn't quite get the questions Excuse me, sorry, I was just wondering if you know of any places that are Where the cancels or The local governments are trying I'm not trying to infiltrate, you know, their citizens lives I Don't know If there are such cities, I know that there are many cities that are not trying to push towards this kind of projects But I don't know if there are many Cities that I are trying not to push towards these projects except maybe some cities in France where some members of NGOs Defending free software have some access to the mayor Kind of but I don't really know. Sorry Any more questions? Yeah, come to the microphone Thank you, and thank you for your presentation and your research And I was wondering thinking about the drop and the leaks platform if you guys have also Look into some legal means to do things like for example using law like in the US You have the freedom of information To look for some of the products that companies like Tales Palantir in the US are Are selling to some of your city agencies so you can eventually Produce a map that that brings awareness to some of the governments that are doing that and maybe at the you level Yeah so in France we have this law which allows the citizens and the NGOs to ask To the cities or the administration all the documents on the project. It is called open Kada and We are currently Asking to many cities About our documents. This is how we had all the data on the city of Sancti and for example We managed to get more than 500 pages of documents With a full description of the whole project For example when I spoke about the weird noise And the example of of we are noise They were Talking about it. We found it in these documents. We found also who were The administration is giving money so it was partly the city the region the department for some projects of more than Of about two million euros So we can have access to this kind of data it takes some times but we have an employee Working on this campaign Which has a template of open Kada Yeah template To help asking and then when we get this kind of documents everything is Uploaded to the Uwazi platform. I talked about to create all these links and have all this information shared for sure Another question Is there someone in the back? Yes. Yes. Hi Regarding why you would not want to do this if you want to prevent an adult from doing something silly or strange or Unintended you have to train the high school kids And if you want to have the high school kids trained good you will have to do the primary schools Etc. And my biggest fear is with this sort of technology in the end. We end up with this situation where All created creativity is lost from an early age on so that's what For me is one of the motivations of not wanting to do this sort of thing Just because I know that in the end nobody will be created anymore And if they think I think in China they're going that way and in China They will have to have to import all sort of creativity Within 20 years because they won't have any creative people anymore. I Completely agree with what you are saying I think I kind of forgot to talk about this kind of arguments But this is completely true for sure and yeah for now they are working on high schools, but They will move towards elementary schools or secondary school for sure Hello, thank you. Thank you for your talk. I Sort of see the so-called smart cities as a bit inevitable But you know, I agree with everything that you're saying so I'm wondering Well, is there anyone working on a legal framework to make sure that we get possibly the benefits but not the downside So for example, I want my fire department and my ambulance servants to work better. I do not want my cops to work better Yeah, so for now at least in France there are no laws on this kind of projects and this is how they manage to go Through all the for example a tender offer because it is on the experience and I think that we will try to work on legal frameworks or Offering some ideas of legal frameworks To yeah to have the fire workers for example Having some information, but not the police and if you have some knowledge if Your NGO has some knowledge on this on or wants to work for example at the European level On this kind of projects. I think we will be extremely happy to work with you on this kind of projects There was a question here. Can you come to the microphone? Thank you Hello, thank you all very much for your nice speech And I would be interested in how far you are connected to other urban movements For example the movement of solidarity cities in Europe So I Don't know this movement For now we are trying to work with local committees in France and syndicates that are trying to fight this kind of projects for example in the south of France in high schools the syndicates of teachers mostly worked with us and The when we will start the campaign on the 16th of September it will be in one of their buildings And We are trying to get more people involved more organizations Involved in this kind of project because we are really trained to distrunt realize this fight and any new relation any new partnership with Committees NGOs or our movements will be Greatly appreciated Okay, more questions Not that I can see So thank you for your work and good luck for your campaign starting in September Guinness give her a warm applause, please Thank you