 We're rolling You know what that means when I say we're rolling I'm not talking. I'm gonna keep my fucking mouth shut. I told you to keep your mouth shut Let me do all the talking and get us all in trouble. You know that Daniel I've done it before that's what I do. I get people in trouble by talking Daniel Lapin has been on our show before it's been a while though. He is a comedy writer and actor He is the writer and creator of Israel's longest-running sitcom life isn't everything I think it ran for nine seasons in Israel He's also created split that ran last season on Reshet Israel's channel to please welcome back to our show Israeli comedy writer and actor Daniel Lapin. Hello, Daniel. Yeah. Yeah. Hi. Everything is right, but I am not an actor That's so you just added something to my resume. I'm happy to have it, but If we're gonna go with the fact no, I'm not an I mean I've acted in my show, but just for the hell of it Okay, and we're we're in Israel. You're joining us Well, he's really very small. Can I get a good just give me just give me an answer I'll shut up. I'll shut up. I got questions. I want to ask It's a where it is What is it gonna say to you it's Haka dinky means nothing at the town called Hurts Aliyah now say it have you ever heard of it? Have you ever been there? It's just outside of Tel Aviv. It's a suburb of Tel Aviv, Hurts Aliyah You got the name be happy. Okay Thank you You're welcome. It's gonna be tough the whole way. You know, it's just like all right. I want to talk to you about Secretary of State Kerry the settlements in the West Bank My favorite subjects love to talk about these things and you were on the show about two years ago when Israel was Going up against Hamas and Gaza and you're very critical of Netanyahu. You would be I would say associate with a labor party in No Labor party labor party is not a left-wing party. No, it's not nothing. It's a I don't know what it is anymore Used to be a very right-wing party. They know the that's the party that initiated and Executed basically the six-day war. Who was Shimon Perez? He was labor. He then left labor, but he was First of all, Paris a great man. Can I just do the intro without I'm trying to get to a point You can't ask a question not accept an answer Okay, I'll give you Paris was the man. Okay, I'll give you the answer. Thank you Okay, and he was beloved in America among American Jews in Israel too. He was a great guy. He was a great man, you know I want to talk to you about the situation in Israel vis-a-vis the Palestinians. I Want to inform my listeners one of the things that I'm discovering is People have opinions in America based on opinions not facts so What I'd like to do with you is have you vent For a minute. Let it all out. Let me hear your anger and rage about what's going on in Israel Then I want you to inform my listeners Fair enough. Okay. No. Yeah. No, I first of all if you want me to vent and rage and let it all I need like I don't know a week at least That's one thing second. I don't know if I am mr. Fact or anything I'm not I'm just the guy with the opinion. That's about it. Well, unfortunately in America We have to turn to comedians and comedy writers to inform Because we don't have journalists on radio or television. We have opinions So give me your opinion give me your opinion about Secretary of State Kerry's speech and what you think of Benjamin Netanyahu the longest Serving or self-serving Prime Minister in Israel's history. He's done more years than my sitcom But he's less funny I think Kerry's speech in my opinion was a pro-israel speech just a minute. I hope I'm not getting shot now What did Kerry say Kerry said that Israel has to choose is it going to be a democratic state? What are you clicking your nails? Are you what is that clicking sound? Are you doing? It's my heart It's my heart. No, I'm doing my nails. Yeah, I I always wait for a Skype conversation from New York Israel to do my nails. It's a thing. I have am I clicking now? That's the NSA or Shin Bet Um, yeah, or you know just did some carry a plotting quietly. I don't know. Okay. Do you am I clicking now? With me you're clicking. Okay Myself actually, okay, we're doing nice. No, no, seriously. You still you're gonna edit all this shit out, but no I'm not no, I'm not gonna. Oh, this is real life to tape. Okay. I thought that this speech was oh, it was great I don't know great I thought it was in place Israel is getting a blank check from this from the states all the time and it's time to go to stop to this if you it's like if You see somebody running around with a gun and you're gonna support him. You're gonna keep him with the gun. No You're gonna take the gun away from him Putting a stop to the insane settlements and the settling business obsess of them Fanatic settling that this right wing government is is is pushing forward is the right thing to do Do you like do you like Benjamin Netanyahu? He's the prime minister. He is part of the Likud coalition Yeah, Likud is the main part of it forms the coalition He's the party. He's the head of the Likud party and Likud party formed a coalition with that's basically what I said But you still felt the need to correct me No, no, you said it totally wrong. I just had to correct you. What did I say? I said he was he said the Likud coalition Um, yeah, you said it right. Okay, you win. He's the prime minister. So he had a former coalition in the Knesset Yeah, it's a different Political system, which is not great Better than yours because you have let me think the stupidest political system in the world But it's not a great one here either. Uh, it's it's got its problems. I guess all political systems have a problem Not like yours yours is really like the uh to win an election but lose it. That's unique for america Um, but i'll get it. Israels won a couple of wars and lost Land so don't Yeah, i'm not i'm not, uh, uh, you know Supply i'm trying to you know be all right. I want to i want to inform Not vote for netanyahu I voted for a party called merits You can call left wing. It's a sane party Saturday means that um, you cannot continue settling. You cannot control wait hold on You cannot control. I just got a message from you. You cannot control um millions of palestinians in land Where they are a clear majority You cannot occupy territories and claim to be and and not give them any rights. You're gonna have to let me control this Conversation, okay. You wanted to talk about your controlling guy. I see why things went the way they did with you gone You're talking about my marriage Definitely, that's one of the topics we have to talk about is it not Well, I was hoping to talk about the situation In israel and why my ex is my ex-wife is very similar to the palestinians But that that's neither uh, are you still married? First of all, you're you're the conflict that in the middle east resembles. I guess a lot of what you've been going through Wait, are you divorced? pretty much Really? And are you happy? Okay, so I'm I'm married. Yeah, I have two little kids. Uh, are you remarried? I when I you met me. I was remarried my my ex-wife and my wife are friends. We have dinners together and It's all one big happy family okay so You voted for what was the name of the political party you voted for merits merits is a sane party. They're considered left You said sane sa any? Yeah, it's a sane party. It's a party that looks for some kind of sanity the very honest party Is that what they they call themselves? Is that what no no no? I'm saying that it is a sane party I do not understand the labor party, which for some reason you call a left-wing party Um, the head of the labor party, but I'm ranting. Do I want to console it go on. Okay and when you vote for merits you're voting for the Parliamentarian who's standing in your district No, we don't have districts. It doesn't work like that. They're at large You cast the vote And they just count the whole all of the votes that went in for uh for for merits And if they pass a certain threshold, then they have three members of kinesit That's it. It's there's no district. It doesn't work like that here And who do you complain when the the trains aren't running? Who do you complain to? Do you have a love of my wife? um The no, you it's pretty easy to get to to a member of kinesit of the party You but even I had a problem that some guy from the lee could Solved it for me. Of course it was easy for me because I work with you know friends in the press and stuff like that But they're accessible. You can get to members of parliament. It's a small country So you're not talking about hundreds of millions of people So if you make an effort, you're going to get to a member of kinesit and a lot of these people are effective Even if they're in the wrong party They will you can work with these guys. Um, even if they have you know, their Approach to the palestinian problem is uh, or the palestinian the conflict is something that I could never subscribe to Still you can talk to a lot of these people and they'll be they can be helpful Let's go over the history tell us Explain to us what's going on. Come on out the history What I'm worse. What are the settlements? Americans when I ask Americans about the settlements They have no idea what it means. So what are the settlements 1960 first of all, we want to go back to 1948 the first partition plan Let's go to 1967 1967. There was the sixth day war. I can't believe I'm giving a history lesson here so There was the sixth day war June 1967 or israel captured the Sinai desert and the west bank Which is mainly comprised of palestinian Palestinians who were citizens of jordan. We captured it in a war against jordan The Sinai was returned to yujar for a peace agreement, which is considered the cold peace, but it works We haven't had any bloodshed with yujar friends 1981 when the uh, when the agreement was signed But the conflict and we captured the golan heights from syria in 1967 we not we I was barely alive then The settlements are Um, so there are two pieces of property and I cover this in the next segment of our show But just it's hard to keep track of for my listeners. I want to go over this There's the gaza strip which The israelis got from the egyptians. It's in the Sinai desert. We didn't get it. We captured it. It's not in the Sinai desert It's the bordering on the Sinai desert And when was that taken from the egyptians 1967 in the night? Yeah, I forgot too much Okay in 1967 war israel captured the west bank all of Sinai including the gaza strip and the golan heights from syria, okay, and so they returned so When did they return the Sinai but keep the gaza strip? 1981 well, it was it was uh in stages, but basically 1981 the peace accord was signed with the with egypt Sadat al mar Sadat came to israel. Let's break the stalemate and um Sinai was returned to egypt and gaza stayed With israel why did israel why did israel want the gaza strip two questions? Why did israel want to keep the gaza strip? Were there a lot of palestinians at that time living in the gaza strip? And were there a lot of palestinians living in the Sinai desert or was it just an empty plot of land? Empty plot of land there were Bedouin tribes living there and uh, some gaza was this was overpopulating and it is even more so now And why did israel want the gaza strip? I don't know. I think that uh, egypt did not want it back. I I have no answer for that Did it much is it because that is where a preponderance? Of palestinians were living and they wanted to why would israel no no i'm saying is that why egypt was willing to give it up? Yeah, yeah, I think so, but you know what? I'm sure that any history teacher This is a question that you know, why did israel actually keep the gaza? Strip, I don't know that was a dumb thing to do, but um in 19 in 2000 like 10 years ago. I think it was israel um Vacated the gaza strip under areal sharon. Yeah, but here's my question. Are there palestinians living in egypt in other words Did the palestinians just All kind of congregate in the gaza strip where they kind of forced into the gaza strip by the egypt by the egyptians after after the 40 during the 48 war the war of independence A lot of palestinians were displaced from where they were living people that were living in What is now central israel? People living in in all all over the country. They were displaced and they were put into refugee camps Um, but um, they weren't yeah, what's your try? I know what you're leaning to i'm not leaning to anything You know what? I don't have an opinion. This is the other thing. I'm not arguing I'm trying to inform My listeners because I am amazed at people Really smart people who have opinions about israel who don't know this stuff, but they have opinions So i'm just asking you Gaza was I have endless opinions about stuff. My best opinions are about things. I don't know. Okay, so gaza gaza Which is kind of like on the southern border of israel and egypt Yeah, is where palestinians who were under egyptian rule That that's where they gathered they the the palestinians after 48 after the war of independence Or the catastrophe as the palestinians call it the nakaba. They call it the nakaba They they they were not absorbed into egypt And made citizens they were kind of put in gaza by the egyptians, right? Right. Is that correct? I don't know. I were they there before I'd have to check that I you know what you Have me again. Okay. I don't know if they were the result of refugees Um that were escaping or how much of it was I think that the gaza was a big city before that already Um, I I don't I think that it was meant to be part of the palestinian state in any case But you know what I'm not sure. Is it a is it a coastal? Yeah, sure. They have a city. They have uh, yeah, of course, so that's one of the reasons israel would have wanted it, right? No, I don't think so. I I'm it's not clear. I think that in 1971 gold in the year He offered the um sedat offered um This is how beautiful the labor party is sedat was the the leader of egypt the in 90 he was the leader of egypt after um nazar who was the Nationalist the great arab nationalist sedat became the leader and he broke the stalemate by coming to the knesset in 1977 knesset is israel's parliament And saying let's talk peace This was in 1977. This was after the 1973 war very hard war in 1971 Sedat sent an offer for peace to gold amir who was then the prime minister And said let's make peace you will be able to keep the areas of settlements in the Sinai Let's just make peace and uh, but give me back the rest of the Sinai In israel in the Sinai there was a settlement area an area called yameet yameet was a city That the israel built also a settlement in Sinai Israel dismantled the settlement And gave it back to the egyptians According to the peace agreement that sedat offered in 1971 We could have kept it But gold amir said We don't make we didn't we're not giving anything back. We won it in a war And i'm for peace i'm willing to give peace Then the 1973 war broke out and we had a peace agreement with less advantageous conditions This is the labor party by the way. Okay, again, uh, by the way, then farther right i'd say than the liqud now they've changed Okay, so that's the gaza strip and how many people live in in the gaza strip right now You know what i don't know i'm probably on two Two, i don't know if you want me to check it out as we're talking. No, it's all millions I don't know maybe close to two million i think but i don't have the number right and is it is it still a You're talking like i'm an authority i'm a i'm a writer i write comedy i go on Is it's still a source of cheap labor or is anybody from gaza Allowed into trickling it's not a source of cheap labor. It's uh, it's um highly monitored people that come in It's very monitored because there's a lot of violence coming from gaza Okay, and gaza has been pretty much Turned into a cesspool Um, it's it's kind of like a walled in is it fair to call it a walled in ghetto where there are no Real jobs and it's a hobsie a nightmare. I apparently unemployment is very high, but you know look at um Look at uh, some pictures of gaza and the internet you can find places that are Horrible like you know 12th world and you'll also find areas that are okay that are not as, um None you know that look more modern But essentially what happened was israel Now i answer my questions I don't know you're actually again, okay. Yeah, it's it's it's it's bordered From the egyptian side. It's walled off from the egyptians. It's walled off from israel Uh, they're allowed to come into israel to uh to work, but very small numbers It's not a source of cheap labor the way it used to be like around 20 years ago. Okay And uh, but it is it is walled off and they're not allowed to have they don't have an air an airport um, you can understand for security reasons why a country would be kind of worried about giving the hamas an airport But uh, they Yeah, the basically it's humanitarian stuff that gets in there. Okay now There's the gaza strip and it's pretty much run by hamas Which is different from the palestinian authority You know, this is what we might call the three the three state solution Because you know, okay, and then there's there's the west bank Which is run by the palestinian authority, which is kind of like A colonial government's set up by america The arab league and the united states through a series of treaties Right No, I don't think it's like that. I They um, they have a president. They have they have muhammad abbas Who's the yeah the president? Of the palestinian authority, right? Right, yeah, and he represents the fatah party, which is yasser arifat's political party from the plo correct You're doing great. Yeah And Hamas is a terrorist organization slash political party Religious by the very very religious very religious And they are challenging and have been recognized as a terrorist organization, by the way They're recognized as a terrorist organization and a political party within the palestinian authority That goes up against fatah So it's not within the palestinian authority. They're not part of the palestinian authority. They're it's like a party within In a palestinian party they try to you know It's it's it is a terrorist organization That is also a political party within the palestinian authority Right Okay The same way I don't know how much I don't know how much representatives How many representatives they have in the palestinian parliament. I i'm not The same way fatah Would be the political party of the plo Which is a terrorist organization Forms the government. Well, that's because fatah Bullshit Sorry that there are other languages other than english Why are americans so um now I don't want to say it go ahead say it Do you know what it's like to be both a self-hating jew and a self-hating american? Why do the americans believe that the sun shines directly from every americans asshole? It's not true. There's a whole world out there. There's many many People that speak different languages and have different cultures. It's not all americans as in america As as you were going to discover very soon by the way Well, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something partner if it weren't for america The people in israel would be speaking german right now and Not too loud not too loudly and don't you forget that why would we speak german? Because what are you clicking there? I know you're surfing the web and knock it off I'm not you're multitasking here, and i'm trying to educate my listeners Yeah, okay here. Here's just one one thought for you israel is right. It's true by the way Israel's greatest ally, but I have very serious Reservations about the government here that the Israeli government don't don't look at me and say wow I'm proud of all that stuff second thing Is um if america had not gone into the first world world? Can I edge it would you go ahead go ahead go ahead back to the first world second world world? I'll go back to the first world. Go ahead go on. No. No go ahead. Say what you want to say so my America did america did the right thing But if america it was totally the right thing in hindsight if america had not gone on to the into the first world war There'd never been a holocaust because germany would have not lost the war and Okay, of course most of europe would be speaking german, but the nazi party would have never been formed Anyway, that's just the whole speculation. What would have happened in the butterfly effect. Yes, okay Let's get imagine somebody's story and is now ripping his hair out and saying what crap Okay, let's get back so my listeners can understand And What's going on in israel so they have a reason to hate the jews Just you know, no my my goal here is Not to hate jews just because you have a gut. You know, you're trusting your gut How would jews get the right reason? I want you to hate the jews trusting your brain So so the situation Yeah with the palestinians and the settlements. I just want to paint this picture so the audience understands You have gaza And you have the west bank Those are two non contiguous pieces of land that belong to the palestinians sort of And they are ruled by the what it's called the palestinian authority Which is kind of like a parliament for the palestinians and the president Of the palestinian authority is mohammed abbas or abu mazini has two names And he is a disciple of yasser arifat, which means he's a member of the fatah party Which is the political arm of the plo, which was a terrorist organization There was an election held In hamas in hamas in gaza About 10 years ago And hamas won Correct in gaza. Yeah, they won in gaza And the united states Refused to accept that and the palestinian authority, which is pretty much headquartered. I believe in ramallah in the west bank Refused to accept hamas Into their parliament a civil is in israel refused And israel refused to uh They kind of supervised the palestinian parliament, correct Israel Well, israel refused to recognize hamas Yeah, I don't know what that means supervise the palestinian parliament. I have no idea what that means But yeah, the israel did not recognize the hamas victory Right, so i'll say like you like hamas victory. And so what we now have in israel And or palestinian palestinian I gotta I gotta correct a few things In a 10 years ago israel withdrew From uh, hang on. Let me just let me forget. This is why nobody understands What's going on the picture? You're painting a picture that is not right. All right. Let me just let me wrap it up There's some kind of correlation. Let me just let me just wrap this up so my audience understands So what you have only though and then I will correct you then correct me So what you have is you have Fata and the palestinian authority Controlling the west bank And you have hamas in gaza controlling Gaza with pretty much no consultation from the palestinian authority And muhammad abbas. It's two separate palestinian states Is that a fair assessment? No, it's not. Okay Uh, just hold on This is my my writing part. Okay. Um, the palestinian authority the west bank. There is dividing disorder area c, a, b, and c All these territories are subject to israeli Military control israel can go into ramallah at any time. There is a palestinian Uh, security force police force that does a pretty good job But israel can go in whenever they want they can they also settle there that they built settlements We're talking about the west bank in the west bank Israel did not withdraw from the west bank israel does not go in that does not have an army base in ramallah But they have army bases in the west bank and they can go into ramallah Um, they will go into ramallah if there's need And it's not a war because we never left the west bank israel never left the west bank We left certain areas in the west bank But not We didn't proclaim a border there. It says okay. We're not going to go into ramallah That's the easiest way to describe it Israel did leave Gaza israel withdrew built a wall and is not We cannot settle israel cannot build a settlement in gaza. Nobody in his right mind would do that We are not part of gas anymore. It's a separate entity It's not under military rule. All of the west bank is under military rule under military israeli rule the Israeli army sits on the on the uh, the jordan river basically In circling all of the west bank That's why israel's building settlements there the settlements that were built in gaza were dismantled Gaza is a different story than the west bank. It's not as if they're equal. Okay. That should be clear and is and does It's and we should also say that after israel left gaza Israel was bombarded with missiles from gaza So if you're gonna be on the right a right winger Then you're you can say here's what happens when we give back land Not only do we give back the land But we're also getting missiles. So here's proof do not give back land because you're gonna be bombarded with missiles So gaza is more of a problem than the west bank No, both of them are terrible problems. Okay, and who and is it fair to say that That there are two separate palestinian people or palestinian states gaza and the west bank are two separate Nations, yeah, well, I don't they're not nations. I mean but not potentially is two separate the problem What I was trying to say was when you get missiles, right israel left gaza Without an agreement they walked out of there and they left a total miss If you they had possibly reached an agreement left with some kind of agreement Maybe it would be it was like a this was like 11 years ago when ariel charon was prime minister. Exactly um But um gaza supposedly is closer to being an independent Entity, I don't know if it's a state They can't do much there because they're encircled by egypt and israel on all sides And they can't really develop much But you could think that if they had any, you know, if they were peace loving then they could have taken all the money They built on missiles and built hospitals So they are more self governing than the west bank Yes, is it fair is it fair to okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Then I'll ask the question. I have nothing of importance to say There was a time before israel pulled out of the west bank I'm sorry pulled out of gaza Sharon before charon pulled out of gaza. I think it was like 11 years ago There was an operation in the west bank under charon About 12 years ago. I don't have the chronology in front of me They cleaned out the west bank. They found all the the the nasty terrorists And they put them in gaza didn't they? No, I don't not aware of that. Was it always There were always operations in gaza when israel had settlements there. I don't any major cleansing But there was there was a period there was a period about 12 years ago Where they were taking where people were banned from the west bank and they were putting gaza. Yeah It wasn't some kind of overall thing. There were several people that were That was some were banned into lebanon by the way. So so so there was a period where Under charon the israeli army was going door to door in the west bank looking for terrorists and Not you know sometimes killing them but mostly kicking them out Yeah, uh, yeah, you gotta understand there were periods where their bus is blowing up in the middle of televieve and 30 40 people being killed. Yeah I'm not mitigating the suffering of the other side. I'm not making it look as if it was some kind of walk in the park But um people were they they didn't go From door to door every you know like it wasn't Overall were scanning all of the population of gaza But they no the west bank. They went door to door west bank. Yes. Sorry meant to say the west bank Yeah, they were not going door to door I mean when you had a terrorist attack or a scare or the secret service was uh onto something Then they would go door to door to pick up they were going door to door whoever they told you No, whoever told you they were going door to door Boy, you're making me right wing when I hear this kind of stuff. You're turning me into a right wing And that's pretty hard to do. Okay. This did not happen. Israel has a you know, it was um, um In control with a very iron fist, but they were not going to every single door You want to know what what an iron fist is it's on purim purim, which is an israeli holiday In in around march when the kids in hebron, which is an arab city wanted to go to To walk out in there In dressing up because purim is like halloween you dress up But there's no trick-or-treat so you dress up for nothing, but then they would put um Under um a curfew I don't know four hundred thousand Arabs in hebron now or I don't know how many are there several hundred thousand That is an iron fist. You're dealing with stuff that is not Actual it's it's uh going from door to door your tree. It's like last time you told me when we spoke that israel has a drone hovering Uh outside of each of the hospital in gaza and each birth is recorded. That's bullshit It doesn't exist is where we're not spending money on that No, no government would authorize a thing like that just for the expenditure So you have enough trouble without the inventions of going to every single door Yeah, a lot of terrorists were ousted Not right. I I I I didn't mean like every single door No, but it sounds like there was some kind of overall operation where thousands of people were ousted. No, it did not happen Several tens of people maybe hundreds were ousted. I don't even think though. There was one thing I think it was under robbing where I don't know 180 were ousted to lebanon. This is what you're dealing with It's always a conflict that is touch and go. There's never any overall thing where Right now robbing was the prime minister of israel and he was assassinated in 96 No, 95 It was assassinated in 95. Why don't we 95 and a half? Is that good enough? It was no it was 95. There's no 95. It was in november 95 We'll say why don't we say february of 96 It was towards the end of 1995 That was why don't we say towards the beginning of 96? Because it was That was the saddest thing that happened that I can remember in my adult life In a public level where it was just it was unknown. That was the death of hope And there was a little bit of hope after um barakwan and then proved to be totally incompetent You're talking about ahud barak. Yeah, not barak Obama barak obama. Yeah, that's also do you know that if ahud barak married barak barak barak No, no, let me do my joke If ahud barak married barak obama, he'd be ahud obama Okay, yeah good good joke by the way. Thank you. Thank you barak. So ahud barak what say go ahead I said good use of time good use of humor. Everything is there Okay, so rubin wanted he was strong armed by bill clinton and he and Yasser Arafat What in 93 94 Is that where the oslo accord started? Yeah, and they got the nobel peace prize Yeah, and they and from the oslo accord you you have the palestinian authority which is set up Where yasser arafat could go from being a terrorist to becoming the father of a nation Correct. It's a bit of a stretch, but yeah, okay. That was the idea. Yeah, and then robin Who was labor? Yeah liberal labor labor, but yeah kind of liberal Uh, there was a parliamentary election and net and yahoo pretty much Insided the mob to assassinate him No, that's uh, wow, that's a that's a real stretch Leah rebeen the wife of yitzhak rebeen lia rebeen Said to net and yahoo when he came to her husband's funeral. You killed him you son of a bitch. Yeah, okay Listen, I don't remember saying that to him I added you son of a bitch, but she said at the funeral you kill all she said was you son of a bitch That's all and and and he said yeah, you know my mother So you know it was all okay. No, there was there were several it was an insane time Where the country was totally split? And robin was being attacked by the right wing called the traitor and there was a parade and The heads of the liqud were standing on some balcony and they were there the the parade Demonstrators were walking by with pictures of robin in a in a nazi suit wearing a kafia and this is what He did not incite. He did not tell y'all did not say go kill robin He did not do anything to stop it But I don't I truly doubt that he believed that that was what was going to happen that yahoo was Head of liqud right wing attacking robin for dealing with our fat and Was pretty Pretty incendiary and revved up The orthodox jews one of whom took it very seriously and shot robin Listen However, you look at it. There's no way that you can pin this solely on it on y'all There was a whole group of liqud liqud leaders that were on that balcony Including charon by the way including charon Who later turned you know changed his approach? But it's not you make it sound like netanyahu Killed robin or said hey guys take a gun. No, it did not happen. That's not what happened Ariel charon who was head of the liqud Became prime minister then did he form kadima? He formed his own party after that right? Yeah. Yep. Was it kadima? Yep Is it fair to say he he became the prime minister he was a liqud a war hero He was as tough as they come. He was probably the most despised Israeli Uh for american jewelry they were embarrassed of ariel charon and yet and yet When he became prime minister yasser arafat and he went eyeball to eyeball And He was tough But he pulled out he was the one who pulled out of gaza Who said the settlements have to go? And It was that nixon goes to china moment where only ariel charon from the liqud a general who During the lebanon war in 82 Many say committed war crimes by allowing I believe the christian militia to go into a refugee camp and kill palestinians Nine nine hundred sabran shatil am yeah Pretty much despised by american jewelry you know a tough general he was going to Create a palestinian state for yasser arafat and then he had a massive stroke I don't know how far he was going to go with that We will never know he was a Considered a very far right wing tough strong man as he said But his roots were in the labor party. He was a man of labor all his years in his youth And uh, would he approve of net nyahu right now? I doubt it. I strongly doubted. That's why he formed kadima. He didn't like But net nyahu he said he said I now from here in this role of prime minister I see things I didn't see And we have to reach an agreement. Listen David something has to be very clear now. Let's get back to the present now Okay, let's leave the history some lesson because it's going to be endless Let's talk about the present for a second It's not as if israel has who to talk to Net uh, uh olmer's who was a prime minister before net nyahu And barack before that They both offered the palestinians dream deals They things they'll never get and they said no This is fact It's I mean clinton said it happened and camp david with barack. It happened later on with they were offered Everything they basically wanted but they wanted a little more. They didn't not everything but in the negotiation You'll get everything. That's one thing that should be stated clearly That's one side of the story The other side now you say if I say that why would I be in support of what kerry said or in support of the un resolution Which I think is a pro-israel resolution Because the settlements first of all are draining israel financially And also They it costs a lot of money to build those settlements. Um, um speculation or I don't know the statistics are That the government spends on a settler Uh five times more than a regular citizen because each citizen costs money except for you by the way david They told me that you don't cost any money to states Are you there? Yeah, well, let's say I'm fascinated. Okay Regardless of the fact that there's nobody to talk to and nobody to do a deal with or there wasn't then Now I don't know about now You cannot build these settlements Because that ensures that there will never be anybody to talk to because if you're gonna have Now there's over 500 000 israelis living in the occupied territories. How are you going to get them out of there? How are you ever going to get them out of there the more you have in there? The more the less chance you're going at you're ever going to have getting out of there like they Removed from gaza that were settlement or several thousand in gaza That was a traumatic thing for the country So basically the more you settle the more chances you have of creating one state That is has arabs and jews and as kerry said you have to decide Are you a jewish state if you're a jewish state? Then you cannot occupy you cannot continue settling because you're Taking over lands with hundreds of millions of arabs So if you want to be democratic you have to give them the right to vote they'll vote in an era prime minister So what do you want to do with the country? But there's no decision. I'll tell you something else um The occupied territories except for the jewslam area have never been annexed You understand what i'm saying? They were never brought into the israel israel proper Yeah, the arabs in east jewslam are considered israeli citizens They can get benefits from the israeli social security, which is okay and israeli health medicine Which is only around a million times better than the crap you have in the states um Some of them choose not to do it for specific reasons whatever but Aside from that the jewslam area, which is a huge area they keep on making jewslam bigger because they want to annex more but Most of the land has not been annexed. You have to ask yourself. Why we've had right wing governments for the past 10 years Netanyahu why haven't they annexed it? They have not annexed it So then you say so if they haven't annexed then it's not really part of israel It's a different kind of land. So it's a whole mess a country has borders Okay, so are you saying they have an annexed? East jewslam No, east jewslam has been annexed Where but they're putting settlements where? In jewslam, right? Well the jewslam area um No, they're putting settlements In the middle of uh, we're beside chevron beside not in the jewslam area Not in what is considered the municipal area of greater jewslam all over the west bank all over Areas that are far from jewslam that are isolated that That that even in any even if there was a land swap You would never Swap those pieces of land that you know just it's doing it as a kind of thorn in the in the face of the world and the palestinians putting settlements and in in um Far out areas in the middle of palestinian populations And then of course the the the army has to guard those. There's also another thing that um the Settlements will be put up that are illegal that are illegal And the supreme court of israel will say this is illegal. You can't uh have a settlement there You know you think they will rule that you have to dismantle it the government then will then argue that I mean the government is basically doing illegal stuff Against like it's if it it it um it hates itself it hates the country because i mean i guess abiding by the rules of the supreme court is something that Is is uh mandatory to keep up a normal state running The nation of israel Is being changed by net nyahu. There was a time When there was a vocal opposition He has kind of Reload you know aren't people kind of shutting up about him now and Isn't a new i think i read a pew Pew poll that said more and more israelis are Throwing up their hands and saying you know what i don't think a two-state solution is possible anymore He is not Putting people in jail. We're not talking about but our but our more and more israelis Our more and more israelis Becoming right wing when it comes like every when it comes anywhere else when it comes to the palestinian question Yes, not. Yes totally like in the world by the way The you know what's happening in the world there's some kind of insanity that's going on in the world I don't know it might be a result of uh I can only speculate you know you'd see brexit you see the trump victory. Well that was actually a russian victory but um You see this this insanity it's overtaken Um the sane the one sane country in the world you said okay we have it too Uh, I don't know how sane israel was but it was a saner Um, maybe it's some kind of response to isis to the insanity that's going on with the fanatic islamic groups That threaten to take over the world and though power as far as powers concerned they can't do it But when you see somebody's head chopped off it scares the shit out of you And um, and when you see what's going on and when you go see what's going on in syria, it scares Yeah, that's just the north of here So you believe do you believe But listen, there's also the left-wing approach like I have a friend Then uh, you know, we talked about isis and I said what do you think? The world should do is isis and he said build them schools And they'll have what to lose and I said no you build them schools. They'll have more places to rape that's it The only way you can meet groups like isis is in the battlefield with weapons and I don't think that um, it's like Europe in 1938 appeasing This is the reaction. I think that this is um, this is why this is not going that way But the um, I mean thank god, so how do you see you're a liberal? Yep, you're a progressive Yeah You still think a two-state solution is possible Definitely, I think that's the only hope this country has and where would that Country where would the palestinian state be? It would be in the hopefully in the ideal world we would Remove all the settlements or 95 of them It's not going to happen though. You know, I'm just talking to this is I'm a Disillusioned liberal. It's not going to happen. But at least don't settle anymore The settlements are destroying the country and it would be in the in the um In the in the west bank with and in gaza with some kind of arrangements For them to pass between the two some kind of connecting road between the two It's not an ideal situation But in times of peace and trust and everything works, doesn't it? I mean you have also something weird and and and it would be its own nation The nation of palestine Well, you know, you'd go at it. I guess in stages you wouldn't give them an air force the next day right and uh But yeah, it would be the nation of palestine. That's exactly what it would be And what do you think is the number percentage wise of? Citizens of this new nation called palestine who recognize the right of israel to exist I don't know. That's a question. I can't answer. I can answer how many people support in israel what i'm saying And that would be me and my wife Not sure about my sister anymore Any more there's a guy a guy down the street that um, I spoke to I think he's the night There's no there's no support for that. I think if push came to shove and there was a real offer for peace Israelis would then in um in a national pool. They would support it. They would support some form of peace Everybody was very Pro rubbing at the beginning, but when you have people exploding in buses And 30 people being wiped out The shot then it's hard to see The light at the end of that tunnel. It's a bloody tunnel ahud barak before you go ahud barak Uh was defense grew a beard. He's a hipster now. He grew a beard. He was I guess the defense They became defense minister after the camp david the cords failed with clinton In 2000 he became defense minister and I remember him saying we need to build a wall Build a wall and that will put an end to the suicide bombers So they built a wall They built a wall between the west bank and israel proper And people say walls don't work and walls are violating palestinian rights and infringing on their their land They are yes, of course. Did the wall did the did the wall work? Of course Excuse me say that again There are no there are very few almost no suicide bombers anymore. So the wall did work. No, no No, it's not only the wall. It's intense work of intelligence in the occupied territories. Whether there's a great um television show called fouda It's on netflix now if a guy I know It happens that his daughter and my son go to the same school in the same class actually He created it's called fouda watch it. You will get insight to what's going on. It's not biased israel It's a really good show. Have you spell it fouda f a u d a I think And it's uh, and it's on netflix subtitle, but it's really it'll give you insight To how the day-to-day Mechanism of the security of both sides works watch it. Okay So I can't say it's only the wall but the wall had a lot to do with it But why am I saying the wall was infringing on palestinian rights because it was built on palestinian land They could have built it if you know a couple of miles Uh west they could have picked it up to the sky and done it on israeli land But no they did that palestinian land. Does that bother me? Of course it bothers me It's it's it didn't have to be done like that. It was insensitive. It was it was um as if um I don't know israel is immune to any kind of humanity when it comes to that kind of stuff There are a million arabs living in israel proper I think there's more there's a million seven hundred thousand there I don't know do they identify as israeli or do they identify as palestinian do they how would they What would they call themselves? I don't know I'd say I'd say most of them identify as palestinian What do you identify yourself as? Well, it's fluid some mostly a man Yeah, by the way, I heard people talk about that. Don't be sure. Um, but do they call themselves israelis? Um, I don't know. I imagine a lot of them are have a palestinian sensibility. I mean the generation and a half ago they were palestinians Um, I think do they vote in israeli elections? Not enough. Do they pay taxes? Oh They have the yeah, they do they're supposed to they don't go to the army. Some of them can volunteer But they don't go into the army No, they're not it's a not mandatory for them to go into the army Am I surprising you now? Are they a fifth column? I don't know. It's it's uh, it's hard to say. They as far as um funds are concerned they're the last A priority of the israeli government when they're did you go to one of these Arab villages? And they uh, you know, you can see sewage in the streets not all of them But they're not they don't get what the regular israeli Towns get cities when israeli when israeli arabs who have citizens. I don't know but the question you're asking is Where is their loyalty to who is their loyalty? Some I guess it's I don't know. I guess they're conflicted You know the answer is you know somewhere in the middle. Who are you? I mean you're an american and then a jew You're you're not loyal to israel, but I'm just curious about how it would work for you But might you want to hear the best joke I wrote in 2016? Yeah about bernie sanders gone By the way, it's the best joke I ever wrote for 2016 Did it submitted to the buildup is terrifying gone It's the best joke I wrote all of last year I submitted it to three separate shows that I was working on Everybody said this is a great joke We can't we can't do it my uh concern about bernie sanders is you know as As a president, he's you know, he's jewish and an american and there's a dual loyalty What side will he take if america ever goes to war with alan sherman records? Right, okay, and nobody did that and rightfully so Yeah I had a joke that I wrote that nobody ever wanted to do but it wasn't political It's just some obscene joke about some lawyer some some female lawyer Who was having an affair with Her the guy she was representing who was in jail And she then said to the judge deep inside. I know he's straight and Forget it. It doesn't translate into english, but Let me try to try because I have one more question Then I'll let you go and go on. I'll let you go finish the joke. Let me just see if it's no no deep inside I know that he's straight as a ruler something like that It's not only it translates What what's the punchline Deep inside. I know that he's straight as a ruler deep inside It was double meaning, but it didn't doesn't translate Thank you for putting an end to that vicious stereotype that all jews are funny I thought you did that at the beginning of the program Okay, last question unless you're not jewish we should do this more often. This was And I do think I do think the listeners Kind of got the lay of the land I don't know it sounds kind of mumble jumbled and I didn't have the numbers right because I'm just on my job But uh, okay Yeah, I mean this is never this is never going to be on cnn or msnbc Maybe racial matter, but but there are going to be hundreds of people listening to this Literally hundreds of people you'd be amazed by how many listeners we have What did you reach the 550? We have a lot of listeners We do and it's growing because because of shows like this By the way, my favorite show when I am in the states is the mark louis show Oh the the right wing. Oh, that is so funny. It's like a parody. I would I developed Imitations I performed with that thing. It's oh you got have you ever heard of michael savage? No Oh, you got to listen to michael savage I promise you I will I will say michael savage sv ag His real name is michael weiner. He's a jew from brooklyn and he does the right wing Act and he's syndicated. He's very successful Very well read very literate He's a combination of jackie mason mortzall and Strom thurmond Wow going back there. Yeah, it's it's it's it's very entertaining final question. I just well before you finish I want to express a fear by the way that I don't think it's intentional But I think that your new president the president electives. He's called until the 20th of january Is going to cause serious bloodshed in this area If he does in fact move the embassy I was just going to ask you about david freeman the new ambassador to israel From here, you know, okay. He calls you a capo if you're in j street Yeah, so that yeah, there are two lobbying organizations. They're not actually lobbyists, but they're call lobbyists j street and apac apac Is right wing j street is a new left wing jewish lobbying organization And david freeman is Donald trump's bankruptcy attorney who's now going to be the ambassador to israel You would think being donald trump's bankruptcy attorney. He'd be exhausted from all that work work What do you look for his work? Yeah, and He wants to move the american embassy from televieve to jerusalem And that is a bone of contention Why is that significant? What do you want to see him again? Huh? I hold on. I'm just answering my ready partners freaking out. Um, why why moving the The embassy from televieve to jerusalem. Why will that alienate the world and then you can go Thank you. You're a kind man. You're kind jew Uh, because and i'm kind of a jew That's that you can tell me. I don't know. Or your ex-wife side. She will know how much of a jew you actually are Um, that in the moel I'm just that's the guy who does the that's the jewish penis barber who takes a little he takes a little off the top But leave the sides leave the sides And he earns most of his money and tips Anyway, I apologize for that. Anyway, um It's because it's declaring something that hasn't been finalized. Listen as an israeli and a canadian american but in israeli The capital of israeli is jerusalem. No way. You're not gonna convince me that it's not But there is a problem with east jerusalem Where you have hundreds of thousands of Arabs living Should it be israel's capital? Yes, should it be the capital of palestinia state? Yes In some kind of phenomenal peace agreement where everybody loves everybody. It's a joint capital But we are not there yet. We are decades Maybe centuries away from that by moving the embassy to jerusalem You are declaring that this is the capital. You are finalizing something that's not been finalized Should it be there? Theoretically, yes Can it be there now? No, it will create violence that is unbelievable. There's certain areas you do not touch One is like the dome of the mosque on you know, the um, um Arab mosque on top of the uh in jerusalem on top of the mount, you know, uh, where the uh, where the western wall is Don't touch it Jews shouldn't go up there. There's all sorts of areas that are very very which In my opinion, it's all insane But be smart didn't surround Initially, hold on. There's something about being smart and not being right. I'll give you another example If I was right wing, there a lot why it How did the israel, uh Magnetized such anger on itself. There was a law passed There's in the israeli parliament. There's three stages for passing a law One thing is a law called hoca has the law of regulation, I guess Which basically in very simple terms says any land that israel confiscates from palestinians in the occupied territories can become legal if we compensate in a certain way and uh, it's it's basically Um, uh regulating illegal stuff in which case the supreme court will not be able to say you can't do that there It's a way around the supreme court now When israel passed this law In the state department, they were freaking out. This is like in october or november They were freaking out why passed that law if they had any brains in their head They would have waited till the after the election They would have waited till the 20th of january. They would have passed a law then they would have nothing would have happened But I just don't get it. There's some kind of insanity of taking on the world And it's a little country and netanyahu is now scaring the shit out of the world by reprimanding everybody Anyway, didn't sharon didn't sharon Light the fire for the second intifada. Oh, yes, of course. He went up to the temple mount. Definitely He was the guy that did it just for your listeners that don't know the temple mount is an area that jews according to certain Uh, halakhik. That's a rabbinic Authorities, you're not supposed to go up there for jewish reason for religious reasons um other jews have found ways to go around that it's a very Explosive area don't go up there. There's no reason to go up there unless you want to make a point and you want to light a fire Sharon did go up there But that was to topple the government that was in the barraques government that was around before that That was a calculated cold and calculated political move Um, anyway, so but back to your question. I fear that trumps support blind support of israel supportive for you know supporting the settlements sending an ambassador Who uh, who is basically was right wing as the settlers themselves? Sending a guy like that in is going to ignite fires. It's not it's not a wise thing to do Even if you're right wing, I wouldn't you should be smart about what you're doing and not Try to make a point Uh, last two bonus questions Okay, well, it's a yes and a no depending on you know, uh, socialized medicine Don't start me on that one. Are you serious now? Yeah, it works, right? Well, I would know you wouldn't yeah, let me tell you something. It works. Um I have um, I have a brother Who steps on had cancer if my brother didn't have money that kid would be in the ground now, but he's not he's healthy He's unbelievable. It's just phenomenal. I'll never get this. I heard. I don't know if this is true I heard that Doctors without borders, you know that thing uh doctors that go around the world I I have a mother without borders I have a country without borders, but um Anyway, you know what I'm talking about doctor. Sure. Yeah, they're here. Yeah, yeah, right They go to Africa. They go to poor countries in Asia. The most work they had was in california. Is that true? I'm not sure it's it's a funny story Oh when they they had like, uh, medical fairs. I think in inglewood and people came out Yeah, people are in trouble here in the united states This isn't until you live in an insane country a country that looks at socialized medicine as a communist plot is insane It's just I mean, I guess that a guy that doesn't work is entitled to I don't know. He's not entitled to for a trip around the world He shouldn't have a swimming pool in his backyard But he should be able to get chemotherapy that yes, whether he did works or not Well, that's you have a draft What do you mean a draft you have a draft the reason I wrote a play and I have a draft Yeah, you want it? No, the reason israel has socialized medicine is because everybody has to serve in the military Oh, shit. No, that's not true. Well, if you're not orthodox No, everybody. No, no, no, no israel was founded as a welfare state Like canada like england like sweden. It's less of one now. It's becoming more like america But the basic Foundation to a welfare state which is socialized medicine is that that feature is still there. It has nothing to do with the army It's just the way a country is run. How many countries you think don't have socialized medicine? Most of them do it's just industrial Yeah, I was but you do have to serve in the military in israel and I think that makes for a smarter citizenry You pay attention if you got some skin in the game And all mert that's not why israel has socialized medicine. Okay all mert. Is he still in prison? Yeah Our president just got out of prison How many how many years our president was in prison our president was in prison something a tongue twister our president was in prison Our president katsab the guy before paris was in prison for rape Uh, I think on two accounts. He was what's his last name? Katsab, which means a translation butcher He was uh in prison for rape and um, that all I thought it was all mert Oh, no all mert is also he was the prime minister We have israel has a prime president, which is a totally useless thing. He just shakes people's hands Like he's like the queen but with a penis It's because it's never been a female president And he shakes people's hand and he's a head of state and after the election He calls on the guides his decision to call on the guide to form a government who's going to be prime minister but it's basically uh ceremonial thing so israel's president Was in prison for five years for rape And israel's prime minister former one. Uh, all mert is in prison now. I think what got I don't know four or five years for um taking bribes So you could say one of two things now israel is a very very honest clean country because look we even put our presidents and and uh prime ministers in jail Or everybody is corrupt and their day will come Well, I think the We should be putting Our you know when jaryl's ford pardon nixon And said, you know our national nightmare is over. They always say it's good for the country Why is it good for the why is it good for the country if we don't lock up our Our president our presidents, you know, when it's not good for the country. What? Oh, it's not good for the country. It's it's uh, it's the law is suddenly contempt is I don't think it's good for the country. You think it's when when when when when trump was saying lock her up You think that's bad for the country Of course that's bad when he was saying lock up hillary clinton But don't you think it's noble that a country Can put a president and prime minister on trial and lock him up Definitely. Yes, you think it's good, right? Yes. Yes, of course, but that's not the case of hillary clinton That was not the case for there. That was there was it just a ploy to An election ploy. It was an insane populist in an election ploy lock her up And I will never understand what went on there with this guy comey coming out 12 days before the election I don't get it. It's like it reminds me of it's worse than what goes on here rather when it comes to the election It's just insane Daniel Lappin is a terrific comedy writer and he's the creator of israel's longest running sitcom life Isn't everything how can people contact you and complain Uh, first of all after some of this stuff. I said, I'm sure that I'll be contacted by people that are not happy Um, how can they contact me? What do you want me to give my phone number? Do you have twitter? Do you have twitter? I am on no social media Any anti social media That's a good one, but um Time is such a valuable thing and the amount of time that is wasted I mean as it is I surf the web like when I have to write something Suddenly it's important to discover who invented the pencil So I will spend 10 minutes who invented the pencil. So there's enough Time wasting as it is doing the dishes. You know what it is like to write You'd rather do anything than write so getting on social media. I think that's you know, that's a limit I put on myself. It's like, you know going on a diet. I just I have no social media I have an email. I can give you my email if you want to write Well, do you want to let my listeners? Yeah, I don't care. I have several emails one the stuff. I don't read. I'll give you the one I don't read, okay Well, then they're not going to take it down. I read they read it. I'm joking. I'm just so hilariously funny right now It's d for daniel lapin la ppin at net vision netvision Dot net dot il Let's do that in a more coherent way D la ppin at net vision dot net dot il I can be contacted like that. Great. Thank you, daniel Great talking to you again If ever you need a misrepresentation of history, I'm here for you