 We could have told them that. They just asked. So this is, she asked for a picture with all of us, so here we go. Let's take a little break and here we go. Congratulations. Congratulations, yeah. Oh, maybe she signed here. Yeah. Who's taking the pictures? I'll take it over there. No, I want you in it too. You want to tell them what we want? One scratch there. Make a scratch. No. Thank you. Thank you. Get one in as close as you can and then back in a little bit. Tom, the tall one's over there. Everybody smile. That's long. No frown. There's one more. Congratulations. Thank you very much. And who gave this the association to? So is this your training? A lot of training. Training and you're potentially doing a bunch of different categories that are fulfilled to get this. So does I know eight of us or nine of us in the state right now? That's great. Thank you for taking your time for doing this. Wow, my pleasure. It's between 15 municipalities, right? How many municipalities? Eight or nine in the state? Yeah, but I'm not ready. Oh, you mean in Vermont? Yeah, in Vermont. Yeah. Very cool. All right. It's always nice to recognize how well our employees do. Elected or otherwise. Yeah, thank you so much. And we have our secretary of state who's the chair. Also nationally, we're really putting our mark on the map. Yeah. Okay. Item two is instructions on exiting the building in case of an emergency. In case there's an emergency tonight, please proceed out of one of these two doors to the outside and go to the south parking lot and gather there. If these doors are blocked, please go back out through the lobby through which came out the front door and back to the parking lot as well. Please go right away. Tom Hubbard and I will be responsible for making sure the building is cleared. Okay. So items. Thank you. Item three is the agenda review. Any additions, deletions or changes in order of agenda items? And I think I assume everyone got the email from Kevin that the Valerie Carzello who had thought she would be interested in the library board realized it was a conflict with her work hours. I'm assuming. Or life hours. And so she has withdrawn. So item eight, we will not take up. Are there any other changes, deletions or additions that anyone wishes to make? All right. Famous last words. Right. Okay. Are there any comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda? Seeing none, we'll move on to five announcements in the city manager's report. So, Tim, you want to start with the announcements? Sure. Not much. I went to the SBBA mixer last week and was approached by a faculty member at the high school asking for help with a senior challenge of somebody at the CDC. So we made contact today and we're going to take it from there. See what happens. Something fun to do. Something to learn from me. That's all I have. Okay. I went to a meeting on Thursday morning. Was it Thursday morning that we did that? Thursday morning with the business owners on Williston Road between Huntsburg Road and Dorset Street. Kevin and Paul and Alana to dispel and inform, dispel rumors and inform accurately the planning that's going on along Williston Road corridor. They needed to be reassured that there's no plans in place. Nothing's decided between the curbs on Williston Road at all. There are four options that have been recommended. They're all equally discussable and there's no plans there. The misinformation was that a number of business owners thought there was going to be something changing between the curbs. It's actually the south side streetscape between the curb and the front of the buildings. And I think when it was almost two hours, the discussion was done. The business owners felt much more comfortable that the city was tuned into their concerns. And that I think they saw a commitment by you folks in planning to meet with each, ensure that each business owner's concerns were met with individually as necessary as the streetscape, which is walking and biking, goes past their business. And assuring them that when all was said and done, Williston Road is going to be a much more friendly environment for people and for bikes. I thought it was a very positive meeting, didn't you? I did. I felt good about it. Just out of curiosity, or just for information's sake, I was in Saratoga on Saturday morning. And from their curb to the front of their buildings, on the north side of their main street, 36 feet. And that's all pedestrian. There was no bikes there at all. 36 feet of pedestrian walkway. Wow. Huge, and I mean huge, beautiful flower gardens around every lamppost, benches for people to sit on. The other side of the street might have been 18, 20 feet, a little narrower. And just for informational purposes, I've got a picture of it. City Hall is right smack dab in the center of their city. And Tim. And Tim. And Tim. There's Tim on more than Tom. Well, no, it's both of them. They share that. They both own that. Thank you guys to get on board because Saratoga is a superbly successful community. From a residential perspective and a tourism perspective, it's hard to beat. It's just well done. And, you know, so that's my announcement report. Great. Thank you. Besides emailing and talking to people. No meetings. Saturday me and my two daughters gave out 32 bags on East Terrace and Spear Street to the identified homes as non owner occupied. Good conversations. Missed a couple of residences that I want to double back to. So I keep driving by and looking to see if I can catch the owners on their home. Also, everybody here should have received an invitation to the October 11th. Check your spam filter for the fire. Firefighters awards recognition dinner. So you should have received it and that's also I just want to state for the record, if we've overlooked anybody, it's not an open event. It costs money to have this event, but we want to invite people friends of the South Berlin to fire department. So I will double check, but I think I use your city email address. Everybody should have received an invitation. That's on the list. So hope that you can come. It'll be should be a good, a good event on Thursday, October 11th. Was the RCP link in that email should have been was using event bright. Yeah. Okay. All right. Tell me if you have problems. It's my first time using event rights. Was it later today? It was Friday night. Yeah. No, I got mine. It didn't seem like it was from you. It seemed like it was from somebody else. The events on Thursday, the 11th, but the event, the evites went out this past Friday night. I'll look again. I'll let you know. You're all invited. I'll double check and make sure you get that. Um, I did not attend, um, I attended one thing. I just looked it up and now I can't remember. I mostly babysat my, um, oh, I know it's under the committee thing. Cause I had a channel 17 budget, but I'll discuss that later. But I had a wonderful time running around after a 20 month old. It was a little stubborn, but it was fun. Persistent. Well, you know what strikes me is how much they practice to learn. I don't know where we as, as we grow older, we lose that. We don't practice enough to really pick up different skills. We just kind of maybe hear it once and try it once and, and children are very persistent. It's pretty cool to watch them learn to speak and practice words and they just do it over and over again. So it's cool. Yeah. Thing to, to Tom's comment about East Terrace. So I was approached by a resident at the last Sobu night out and they were concerned that there were more than four unrelated adults renting in a particular house there that is one of the single family houses that are, that are owned by one person. There are many homes owned by one person on the street. There were six people that were suspected living in that home. And the advice I gave her was to call PNZ and talk to either whoever, whoever answered the phone and go from there. I don't know where that would go. So just want to relate that to you that. Likely that student. Oh yeah, definitely. Go on this. I'm sorry to report that there's already been some issues this this year. The police have been called a couple of times every year. It's a new crop of students. So, but I will say there are two students on East Terrace that used to be resident assistants and I know them. So I'm asking them to extend their skill set that they have in their dormitories to East Terrace to reach out to all of these student occupied residences and maintain order and peace. Without getting paid for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If we're hiring. We could honor them at a city council meeting. You can put it on the resume. We can have a little plaque. Neighborhood assistance. Neighborhood assistance. Yeah. Mr. Rogers. City managers report. We had a Chunin County Public Safety Authority meeting today, board meeting today. We will be selecting a consultant to move us through the process toward implementation of the combined dispatch system sometime probably in fiscal year 20. Hopefully early in 20 but sometime during fiscal year 20. during fiscal year 20 the I am meeting with a lot and I are meeting with the board of the SBBA tomorrow just to go over update on city center and on the community center library city hall senior center proposal I also went to the to the reception the other night which was great yeah nice to have a brewery in town to have a reception like that CHC groundbreaking will be on Wednesday Wednesday this Wednesday at 10 a.m. Helen will welcome for the community and the groundbreaking itself because they can't access their actual site is going to be on either one on one side or the other of Market Street right past markout schools entrance so even though it's not technically on their site they're going to do the groundbreaking there I think you can probably park a lot or in the school a lot for this small amount of time but you can't park really beyond the driveway it's all torn out so Tom can report or you want to talk about our new car so the lease what you probably saw on the on the warrant our lease was up for our CRV the city hall vehicle that gets people around and we worked with the energy committee to come up with an alternative vehicle that we could use it was more efficient and a couple where identified to us and we selected the Honda clarity and so we've we've got that car plugged in over at the fire station in the little alleyway next to the station it gets about 50 miles to a gallon or 50 miles to a charge and for the most part that's what we use it for is around the city driving so a tank of gas could actually literally last us a whole year so anyway pretty excited about that Paul Connor it's very helpful in helping us make that selection and Paul is doing training for the staff here at City Hall where the next couple days a couple different sessions but how was it so far he said you can't even hear it when it's running as an accessory so this is the beginning of longer-term plans to where we can to to go into different types of vehicles hybrids and others where it's possible I don't know that there's a hybrid fire truck yet on the 28th as I hope you all know on the 28th at 2 p.m. we'll hold the change of command ceremony as Trevor Holt hands over the reins to Sean at the police department in the first floor community room and you're all invited to attend I wanted to let you know that I'm glad members of the bike and pedestrian committee are here I attended part of their meeting last week but partly it was to introduce to them actually has moved over and and has become the bike and pedestrian coordinator as we've as the public has supported the build out of the bike and pedestrian facilities with with the one cent we thought it was time to move her into the role of of taking on those projects and also taking on the open space fund projects so she's still a project manager but we're moving her into those projects specifically because they are funded and I think certainly I know the committee wants to get moving on them and the public does as well so so Ashley's moved into that spot safety committee met last week safety committee meets every other month this is an internal committee just to look at various safety issues we meet with our safety consultant Holly LeBlanc or Leclerc Holly Leclerc and we review loss runs and we review recent injuries and we go out and look at buildings and so on we also adopt policies that make us consistent with the requirements of the state and federal Vosha and OSHA respectively oh and I this other thing just I want to thank Dave for going to the Wilson Road streetscape meeting last week I thought it was good and we're meet with anybody anytime at all to talk about any of these things any questions yes out of the country at the time but the July 16th meeting perhaps there was a request for an update on our sustainability efforts of the hybrid cars are a nice segue into that October October 1st your first meeting October 2nd second second meeting in October 15th first meeting is the discussion about growth related issues that Paul is leading and then the 15th is the sustainability discussion we had intended to do it tonight but with Paul's kind of putting the other presentation together to be ready for the first there was a request for an update on the open space maintenance plan what has been done so far with those funds we will have Holly probably come in and present on the first last one was the domestic violence summit that we put off till September because I recall well it was with the proposal that I'd put together was with Lisa Benninger also Gretcha Gondrum but Mariah is at the school she's in the guidance but she works with substance abuse but also I think things related to this topic I know she has worked with the annual what's it called a risk behavior survey survey that they told department yeah yeah like youth risk behavior yeah risk behavior survey yeah yeah so that's why she was on my list but I think she's the only school person that was on my list so I just wanted to revive that okay yeah I'm happy to to move that forward I know that Tom had been in touch with Lisa as well there is survivor who said she would like to participate that you know quite well right I just wanted to kind of bring that back on our radar part of a council meeting are you saying we would just have an event similar to the public and really make it similar to the legalization of marijuana summit that we held in the auditorium was how I had envisioned it kind of a panel but school board to the school would certainly I would think be part of it I mean we certainly want to choose the date where they didn't have meetings and you know where people could participate could you would you want to frame that in a broader sense where the school board is just break it down from there it's huge I would think that would be like a series of events because there are several kinds of trials this was specifically with regard to the situation in South Burlington is really what spearheaded it but that's not like the first time we've ever heard of it right Howard was part of it Howard Center were they going to be it was a domestic violence and I can't remember the name of it now but the director the executive director steps steps to end domestic violence yes she was part of it and then Kevin had a friend who was I think a retired police I don't know if he was a chief or he was a state trooper but someone who had worked with perpetrators and who could address that aspect so I don't know who the harder person is to track down in terms of dates if you want to start with your friend I don't know I can also see this not being a city council thing but and just if Lisa Benninger has the cycles and the capacity to own this she did a great job at during the rebel above the event after those elections just having an opportunity for community members to talk about a really important issue so I don't necessarily see a value of us being part of that panel or the school board oh no I don't think we'd be on that stage at all it's just getting the ball rolling right so is that how we get the ball rolling talk to Lisa I'll talk to Lisa about it would you like to own this and plan it and we'll come I expect Lisa will so I'll talk to Lisa about it and we'll get something rolling so thank you for reminding us I true you don't hear anything about it because they haven't found the guy you know it's not in the news so it can be escaped one's memory sure so the first one is in your safety committee that you have right do the city employees get training in active shooter run hide fight have they received anything like that or yeah we have not my brain just went through what library went through a training and the and the fire department has fire department has okay because they're trained now to go in with the police we have not here I will say that the the security in the building has buildings has been increased significantly here and working on the library but the library got some training from Doug the other day the police did work did do a training at the airport with their security and the National Guard security on active shooter but not the employees here per se right whoever works in an office where there's they're inside a building so I just because where I work we had to do an annual health and safety recertification involves watching the YouTube video about run hide fight active shooter it's a really disturbing video it really brings home the reality of what people have experienced you know over many years so and it's a shame to say that you have to be trained in that because you could happen we we do have a procedure you know we do train around it we don't we have not done the whole run hide fight I mean so I mean so I is the first time I've been introduced to it you know in as a corporate employee right where I was asked to watch this video and then try to learn what to do in response to something like that happening so I was just curious how many other organizations you know provide that kind of training to their to the people that work inside office buildings because the school doing we we do we do yeah so but we have a Doug Duby is trained in building design and emergency procedures so Doug does the training for us but it has every employee in this building sat down with somebody in a room and learned about it and watched a video and seen an example of how they should behave we haven't watched a video but we have been trained by Doug on those things okay crisis crisis plan the crisis plan he should have gone into all the committees by now couple weeks we should do it we should have the council do it yeah I'm gonna hide behind time my plan good life insurance the second question was did had you made any plans to try and extend the width of any of the repaving projects where possible I went out I was talking about Dorset Street and the spirit and I after we talked about that day I went and looked okay and you're right there really is only a small stretch on Dorset Street where was it spear spear Street where it's not wide enough on the sides and it is that that stretch on the east side of the road it doesn't go very far but but the other side of the road has adequate great space anyway I'd have to talk to yield to the members of the committee here who have their priorities on that but I did go look at it thank you for sending us the paving schedule there were several people very interested in that yeah I said in a lying at me for months yeah what are they gonna pay for this or that it's all I just set it out real quick whether depending I was gonna ask that same question I drove down Spear Street where Shelburne has beautiful once again and then you get into South Burlington is very clear and then it goes so can't you make it you there's only enough room on one side can't you just have the road kind of go like that a little bit there's room room on both sides I thought you said there was one spot there's one spot on the east side of Spear Street that runs maybe I don't know quarter of a mile maybe that doesn't have the the wide shoulder but everywhere else it has it on both sides so we are going to pave that when we pave it yes the section where it's not I don't think we can I think that there's a drop off there I don't think the shoulder allows me off your bike and walk it I don't know what to do yeah my daughter took a tumble on our street on our scooter real miracle is that the pothole at is it preserve road and Spear finally got filled thank you SD Ireland we really appreciate that so it was a big hole the whole summer that another question Megan I'm sure it has to do with the contractor but it seems very late in the season for us to be starting it's just with the contractor schedule it's when we could get them yeah everybody's paving this summer I understand it'll get done started on Dorset Street about three weeks ago at night and they're gonna progress through the schedule somebody caught me informed on this and they suggested that we start the process for the bid the bid process for paving earlier they said they were surprised to hear us proving the contract in June or so so I don't know when we started it last year if that was different than usual but if we could make doesn't make sense I'd love to hear more expert opinions about this than I on whether or not we could look at the paving process at a sooner time to secure more bids and get them started earlier in the season if there's a certain time that you want that to come before you so that we can be ready so that Justin can be as ready as he can be to get ahead of some of these contracts if I think if he understands and what I'm hearing from you this is a priority for you folks that will arrange to have him start that process so that he can be as ready as possible come the spring paving season I think I think he's heard that I think he's aware of that and we'll make sure that it's communicated are there any price differences I would think it would be a whole lot so he over the last couple of years he's combined fiscal years so that we have more like over a million dollars worth of projects and he's been able to extend a few more roads into the paving plan to do it that way and we might not be able to do it that way but things are getting done in a timely manner so there's pros and cons to both ways I think I think he understands that there's concerns about the way it's been done and if people would like to see it change so I think he's open to that well it would be good to know if doing it later really has an increased volume of pavement and it has in the past because that is a benefit that is and maybe that's what the public just needs to know exactly we go out for a bit later so that we can get a bigger bang for our investment for whatever the reasons are that would be good to know as I I don't think Kimball's on the list but Kimball has a real rough spot too anyway that's right by our fire station our police station oh yes part just one thing about public works I want to thank them for doing JC Park I've had a number of the neighbors come in I know that people are grateful so please pass that on thank you for the venture yeah and the post removal the fence was gone first but great okay consent agenda we have consider and sign the disbursements approve the minutes for September 4th and 5th and a point Dahlia Delilah Paul as the acting zoning administrator officer acting code officer and acting telecommunications officer and finally to authorize Kevin Dorn as the voting delegate for the city of South Burlington to the Vermont League of Cities and Towns annual business Lila is our new zoning administrator so she comes in taking Ray's job started today New York City she worked for the transit authority there and is got a lot of experience in government and very smart I know Paul's happy to have her on board we are all we are all happy to have her on board of course it's hard to replace Ray but we're happy that Delilah has joined us okay so I would entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented second further discussion all in favor past numbers and we're meeting again this is it tomorrow or Wednesday and then again on Friday but the income with one of the ways that channel 17 and public access is funded is through the contracts that Comcast has or their license they're required to fund some of the public access channels and it's based on their the volume of their subscribers and there's some formula well it's probably no surprise a lot of people there subscribe subscription list is going down few more people are streaming other ways to get content and not utilizing them therefore their contribution I guess or support for all of the the access channels in the state has gone down which is left about a $50,000 hole in the budget for next year so we're looking at ways to fill that and one of the ways as a heads up we haven't we have to discuss it and and I'm not asking for a vote tonight at all and they will come and explain the situation more fully but they're looking for an increase in our annual contribution that we need to double it wasn't now 50,000 no no no it's seven ten thousand right it was seven or ever maybe even five maybe even five double two years ago and they're going to be requesting to double it again to maybe not quite doubling I don't know what the exact numbers are can't remember we'll be discussing that further but that's just a heads up it's a conversation we'll have to have when we put our budget together but I thought potentially earlier would be and I've asked them to come in earlier to explain the situation and make make the case there's they're funding that the dollar figure for Comcast because Comcast subscribers I guess have the number has gone down Comcast contributions based upon their subscriber number you get a percentage right that it nicks the the funding a little bit but Comcast also provides internet service so maybe the public service excuse me is the public utility commission yes we were good with what we have and we actually made out quite well but I think it's seven years or ten years so that won't come up for another conversation for a period of time because Comcast provides the TV you know that the cable TV access if somebody cuts that goes with pure internet they still use the internet to get to YouTube or whatever you watch them recorded which is like providing the same service but the license doesn't include the internet it's just the cable it's because they probably created those licenses way before I think so it's been a conversation for a long time so anyway so that's a little heads up and then the airport commission meeting I didn't have my notes the last time and I told you I would email you but I didn't so I thought I would tell you they are there's a replacement that V Tang of a paving project that V Tang is paying for and is responsible for due to when they they worked on the new end of the airport where they turn around they had to put new lines down and and the FAA is very demanding about as you can understand the lines have to be really clear and there and you can't just paint over the old ones because I guess visually with planes coming in they can see the new white or the new yellow they also can see this dark line and it's a safety issue so with all the changing of the lines this summer and stuff when they repaved they didn't do well enough I guess so they have to grind it down and pave it again V Tang has to pay for it so that it's really smooth and they can paint the lines on again and there will be no mistake by pilots so this is going to take about a month so they're doing some milling on the runway and then doing it it's it's midnight to 5 a.m. because the airport has to be closed of course but it's not the pounding or you know they're not they're just I guess it's gonna be noisy so five days a week possibly and we'll supposed to start mid-september but I don't know if it started yet and then the other update just to you know this was really nice they had a small fire at Heritage and Chief Brent they specifically wanted us to know that he was really stellar because of all the safety planning and that course that they go to one of the things that all the businesses have to do is tell you tell the city exactly what kind of volatile chemicals and stuff they have and this involved lithium batteries and so because of that Chief Brent knew where they are knew what to do and the fire was put out really quickly and so Heritage was very grateful and wanted to you know hats off to him and then the parking garage the it's the they've completed all the technology that was phase one phase two they've completed the construction within the garage and well they have to still wrap up a little bit of repaving the entrances in October and then they will advertise and have this reward implement a reward program and you can pay for it inside and it's supposed to be much I don't know what the reward program is but there's something that's what they call it so they're working on that and that's moving forward and then I think I did tell you about the sound mitigation meeting and and there's a meeting Wednesday right the planning meeting is planning that was put off for change and I believe it's maybe it's next oh it's next week it's next week I'm sorry I got I'll get it it's the 25th 25th that I've got it at 5 p.m. right 5 to 6 30 on the second floor mezzanine that's the initial master planning meeting so if you can make it open to the public it's open to the public there also are well it's on their website I don't know how they're reaching out there's a number of people who are invited you know just by virtue of their role it includes a lot of people and some legislators community members all the commissioners public time that mezzanine yeah sure I will really quick and I just have to acknowledge that this is the first time I've given a GMT report with another GMT commissioner in the room our most experienced longest serving and one of the most institutionally knowledgeable board commissioner the chief and Spencer's here so if I miss anything let me know but really quick in a nutshell SST a GMT task force is meeting it's met twice so we're looking forward to that conversation we're working on implementing some of the GMT the next gen recommendations and tomorrow morning bright and early we're all down in Montpelier all day for our annual board retreat so I'll have more to report on our next meeting okay anything pension all things pension or just all set okay who knows why it does what it does okay as we stated earlier at item 8 has been deleted and so we'll move on to item 9 which is presentation by representatives of the Burlington Department of Public Works related to the Champlain Parkway for the record you do much better with timekeeping than some other communities I won't name and then every time we get ahead and I make a comment we end up bogged down somewhere last September the meeting we went to in Shelby an hour and 50 minutes of public comment before the meeting got to the third agenda item I think so we've had some nights like that we have had right I suspect when we ski is tonight the airport in this frontier I couldn't make that but yeah yeah I need a converter for the USB no I mean sorry it might video or I could use the nine pin how does our AV compare it's great you got a lot of high-tech folks helping out the same challenges would you like questions at the end of your presentation or we're flexible we are going to boil down 50 years of work into 10 minutes so happy to happy to take questions along the way is this a good volume yes can the audience here right good Chapin Spencer director of Public Works I'm joined with City Engineer Norm Baldwin we will give a very cursory overview this was thanks to a suggestion from director of Public Works Justin Rabadu that it was time for us to come and give a update on the Champlain Parkway so thanks to Justin for that we are at a pivotal moment in this project this project is scheduled to start construction in 2019 we know that for many people they have long heard that this project is two years away we have made some substantial improvements and progress as of late which we will go through so next this project as many recall has a purpose and need statement to connect the I-189 facility with the city center district of downtown Burlington and as you may recall and design work started in the mid-60s we have worked through the mayor support and through staff support to bring a number of design detail enhancements refinements to the project to improve pedestrian and bicycle accommodation and there are three sections of the project that when we get to the map we'll identify the separate three contracts of the project next the zoom full screen or something yeah we're working off PDF so yeah it's beyond my technology it's still left there to the right to the right of the zoom thing up one yeah here we go yeah there we are problem is it is it center yeah that's alright head down to the next one we had the PowerPoint didn't quite bring all the colorization that you'll see in the excuse slides forward so we opted for the PDF so some of the benefits of the project we've talked about the connection from 189 to downtown as project is slated to improve circulation largely in the south end of Burlington alleviate capacity over burdens on a number of our streets specifically residential streets and that ties in with that next bullet about safety providing traffic relief in the southwestern quadrant of the city of Burlington and eliminate disruption to local neighborhoods as you see there specifically there are many residential streets that receive high truck traffic serving the industry of the south end and I'll turn it the next page actually is the map and norm why don't you just scroll up and I will point out three sections of the project yeah from 189 here to home Avenue this is home Avenue this is Shelburne Street and this is north so this first section here is what's called contract one as you recall this was constructed in the 1980s C2 is from home Avenue up to Lakeside Avenue this is a new section that has no street there currently it would be full construction from Lakeside Avenue up Lakeside Avenue and up to Pine Street up to main on Pine would be a rehabilitation of this section this is contract section six so it's C1 C2 and C6 there were many variants of this last design which is why we get to C6 and I'll turn it over to Norm for the rest okay so we want to make sure that there was some connection between how Burlington and South Burlington interface this project and where the two city limits are and how this plays out with design and construction through various phases so what we did was the key in key intersection here is the 189-7 interchange and you can see here this this magenta color is the representation of the the two city limits and then the parkway itself as you can see here in the the bright colored section so we just want to kind of note that and you can see here this is the shared use path that connects to Pine Street is that is that new that is new correct or will be new will be new and it's a shared use meaning cars and no bike bike bike bike and head oh okay like I mentioned that really is a Buffalo Wild Wings on the south side of that building that's where it starts so north is strangely the bottom of the page yes right here correct so this is going to be a cul-de-sac Street Pine Street will be cul-de-sac and this will be the the new Parkway redeveloped so where does the bike pedestrian thing go it starts at Shelburne Road starts at Shelburne Road Wild Wings and goes to here's around that side hill bank to the housing trust building and then connects into our street network so if somebody starts at Wild Wings how do they get there it's not the easiest place to get to if you're on depends on where they're coming from but let's say they're coming from the South Burlington Recreation Path Queen City yeah I see you go across and I guess they continues on our on our street network but there's actually there's also a path there's a path that starts sugar's path on the Parkway itself correct you see it better if you zoom in a little bit is that the Howard Center that big white yes yes okay and so it goes into that into Pine Street okay through the Howard Center property use pass but there is no connection here for pedestrians and bikers to cross this is a limited access section of the highway yeah there's a and this project has its origins as you may recall is a four lane limited access divided highway and has been redesigned into a two lane road the majority of which is a 25 mile an hour street this is one section that is reads more like a transition from the interstate highway system to our street grid yes that path would stay correct so currently there is a shared use path that runs along the Champlain Parkway and you'll see here Norm has identified it and this is the connector from the Burlington bike path up to Queen City Park Road in the South Burlington path that will not change the shared use path that Norm talked about it connects from here up to Buffalo Wild Wings is more of a read as more of a neighborhood connector to provide connectivity from the retail area on Shelburne Street to the neighborhood there's nothing to help people cross that is correct you can I can go back to the other I want to see the more continuous connections but I thought of most interest was this this area that's what sets the limits of the communities so yeah one servicing one side of service the others but as chief and noted this is the primary path regional path and that that will continue in our our hope is that it connects into Austin Drive and future plans said to the bike path itself the city's like that going south on shoulder yes yeah so it couldn't quite see any colored lines on it yeah back out did it okay so great or down it getting to the parkway but if you're going south you will go down is back down yeah there's no ramp right there yeah okay so that is that is a valid entrance yeah yes prior to as it exists today when people have been able to connect to Pine Street yes it's done all the way part of Pine Street and so that will be blocked off you're able to do that now yes that's correct is this something that's something you've already discussed scoping out how we could have pedestrian bicycle traffic traverse this intersection yes we have had conversations with the state of Vermont this project as you're familiar with has a long history and this project has its permits and let's say that there are any substantive change such as this one which the city has discussed with the state would require substantial redesign and repermitting we have requested that the state allow us and once this project is constructed to advance many different components to look at anything from adding mid-block crossings to on-street parking in particular areas and exploring a connection here we understand that there is a community desire line here but we have been informed by the state and the feds that that a change such as this would be such a substantial redesign that the project itself would likely not happen so there are connections that have been provided here for bikes and pads they are they are different than what exists currently but we have communicated and have in writing the state's willingness to explore with us changes once this project is constructed with regard to this but I will state you know for myself that that is a loss for South Burlington residents who commute by bike not only from Red Rocks but also from the orchards neighborhood which is a very densely inhabited neighborhood in South Burlington and many of us work in Burlington myself included and seek alternate methods of transportation in order not to contribute CO2 to the atmosphere so this is this is a loss not only for their commuting habits but also for I would say our environmental plan I think it would be helpful to note that this project has continuous bike facilities from this point to approximately two miles into the center of Burlington so while we are focusing certainly on this one connection here on Pine Street the shared use path that we pointed out earlier does continue along the parkway up to Kilburn Street where it meets bike lanes up to Maple Street so I understand that the connection may be different the route through but as part of this parkway would be a shared use path off-road now and with bike lanes into the city center so the route is slightly different but it is a continuous facility where one does not exist today let me ask a different question can can you get across that whole interchange area on a bicycle from South Burlington to the Burlington to to access that green that new green bike path how can you currently get across that whole interchange area on route seven it's a limited access roadway but not have bike facilities so so I think you see on the parkway is that one is forced then to go all the way north and turn around the back so for that situation yes for the Howard Center an individual would either travel on route seven Shelburne Street and take either the shared use path or come down to Flynn app or home Avenue or they could continue on the shared use path to home Avenue on the west side and come back so you describe how it's going to look because I'm concerned with desire paths kids with bicycles try to get to Red Rocks if they can they hop fences what will it look like to prevent that access on this space of these gonna be 12 foot concrete walls how will it actually work to pedestrians from just running across the center state well there's there's a fence line in the access and I believe it's this segment to home happening with fence line yes yes we have their south of this are right and they're going to be on the eastern side so they're going to use Ferrell Street to get to Swift and Swift you have a light to get over to the bike path near Quinn City Park road so that's okay just you Red Rocks is a magnet for pedestrians so I'm wondering how would anybody down here in Burlington or South Burlington what are their options going to be to get past this and I guess you're describing something down here at home have that correct yeah this is a landlocked are going to be on Pine Street between Pine Home but they'll just have to go back to home and then come up the Western Edge but a chain link fence will be what will prevent them from doing so we will confirm that on this section there there is a existing sound barrier that was constructed along sections of C1 when it was originally constructed in 1980 in the 1980s it will remain and what did you say the speed limit wasn't long ago it's being reduced it's stepped down from the 1897 interchange from from 50 35 to 25 when it hits home Avenue so the idea is that we get it slowly steps down and transitions from that way to street speed I want to go to the next either a couple more that I think will answer some of the questions about the design and you take one question about just you could put the city of South Burlington could put some crossing lights on children road so that you go over at Queen City Parkway and then come down to Buffalo Wildlands for people are trying to get there but the light there's no lights right now you just take your chances going on the entrance ramp but if you did have crossing lights where traffic stopped you could do it well that's that's price chocolate price chopper Shaw's that has a crossing plate right further and then you have to wait to get to the till it was right they don't have a crossing light where it where you've come on I-89 it's farther down crossing light down near Shaw's right but not where you there is a it would have to be added there's a north-south pedestrian for that ramp C-189 interchange or intersection but there's no right even go cross and then go down to the next light right so this is a another image of the same area but showing getting where the current proposed lighting is for the street segments and new street segments what kind of lighting or poles are you thinking in the heads gas lamp style or Cobra head I believe it's overhead Phillips Cobra head fixture 14 or 20 feet I don't know the height I think it's probably 25 or 30 we can certainly get that for you higher just spreads more light out I mean if you're at 25 at that point it's more like a city like a parkway you know night time you are getting close to an interstate that point so another piece this puzzle is what's going to happen when we go to construction and this this drawing indicates the areas of construction the limits of construction so you can see the hatched area is the areas of construction and these are the limits of that construction so just just for your knowledge that's kind of limits of construction activity there will be some signage all on the interstate it probably is outside the limits of the paving sections but that's the real earth working heavy work being done on the street segments then this is a kind of a key map of who's responsible for what and maintain what so what we what we understand is the red is the city of Burlington green is the state of Vermont and the yellow is South Burlington so in the end that's I guess the maintenance plan when this facility is built not operating pretty sick for I guess I'll start questions I'll keep going this is currently inactive right this is just that road yeah these are all this is an active so it just doesn't make practical sense I mean you just you don't stop right at the line you gotta find a good break point ample collaboration so then this is a slide that represents our schedule the status actually the status the final design to be complete we went through necessity city council earlier this summer all necessities in hand we are under currently under appeal those necessity determination but they aren't actually property owners only one property owner who's been affected by necessity itself now that property has a nine nine square feet impact so we have three appeals on necessity you have all the easements yes that's more that's what we require it is all our necessity for the work that we need either temporary or permanent yeah no most of what we were asking for is temporary nature yeah for construction purposes there are no impacts to any structures it is really largely construction easement I'm sorry yes it's the c2 section which is adding a new 25 mile an hour street between home Avenue and Lakeside Avenue my guess is that that represents a little under a mile two lanes it's it's a redevelopment of Brake Street so Brake Street is an existing right-of-way court or a section of it is a section of it is in poor condition as a it's an unpaved corridor but a section of Briggs is paved it to the south flint to Lakeside that's gonna be all new pavement also isn't that that's not existing road it's gonna be all new segments of road yes that's correct and then you're also gonna be repaving the the highway that was built 30 years ago yeah we're gonna yes rebuild that section that's not gonna be for four lanes or no it's gonna reduce from two two to one before hits home Avenue it's it's it's been speeds being reduced and we're dropping a lane as it approaches the city street network and it's important to note that as you point out there will be some additional roadway connectivity installed there will also be significant stormwater improvements such that the stormwater management will be in excess of what exists today that this project will have a net benefit to the adjacent watersheds that have passed through there's a large sand filter and a retention pond and other swells and stormwater features that we could go into at another time but even with the additional impervious this project will deliver a net benefit from a stormwater perspective then it won't go into your your your system in most cases it will go into a dedicated stormwater conveyance c6 which is the urban street pine street existing pine street is and in either combined or a separated system changing the capacity of your current waste water treatment plant is there currently capacity overflows that happen with the existing surface area so how is that how is the city of Wellington going to address the new significant mileage that you're so it's a good question this project will have expanded stormwater management over the current situation the issues that we've had this year at main plant are significant and we have a multi pronged approach to resolving it that includes a bond that the city council is going to be considering in the 24th of this month that includes a broad range of stormwater and wastewater repairs and upgrades to the system the issues at main plant are exacerbated during wet weather events stormwater storm events and as such this prod project of the Champlain Parkway will reduce the impact on the plant by reducing the stormwater flows to the plant when it can least handle the the inflow of stormwater so this project will among other projects underway we have a redevelopment of St. Paul Street right now that is creating silver cells and permeable pavement and so when we have a chance to redevelop our streets we make sure to bring improvements in the stormwater system that will further benefit our combined collection system okay final design is nearly complete we're making minor revisions as we made our necessity process and details that lead to a basically a final design that will be prepared for a contract and this winner will be pursuing putting this out the bid and the hope is that construction will begin spring of 2019 obviously there are legal challenges that go with this project that could completely change this schedule but as it stands today this is what our tentative schedule is showing as indicating as we speak and we anticipate the work to be a two-year project and we're mindful of how this project will tie into other projects in the region in terms of its timing particularly for the roundabout that's being proposed to be built by the state for the rotary I just have a question with regard to timing and I asked earlier today what where our comments and our residents comments could go and basically it came back with the understanding that this is simply a courtesy telling us what's going to happen so I guess my question has to do with where do concerns you know be taken I think that I hear the storm water which I know that's a big deal for you and a huge improvement to your system which is needed not only for Burlington but for the state so I think sorry so I know that's a huge boom also for South Burlington residents and I am just thinking about you know people who commute to UBM or the hospital two big employers in Burlington and that bottleneck is really hard during rush hour right on route to this are there models that show that this improvement will have some kind of positive impact on the traffic flows what other benefits do you could you sell to us so the benefit is that we have a considerable amount of commercial traffic being serviced on local streets within that Southwest modern in the city we need to make those connections appropriate connections to service that commercial traffic when I say that particularly like fuel fuel supply those sort of things all those trucks that that service the entire state is coming out of global those are examples of a neighborhood who's dealing and contending with that my metrafic heavy traffic traffic we see that much of the traffic that were routed routed on Shelburne could potentially with these improvements be somewhat displaced onto Pine Street as with the improved sections and sections of road but we're not physically creating more demand by developing this road we're just simply redistributing it more appropriately within our street network but does that have an impact on traffic that comes through South Burlington is my question well you probably will see some less delay or congestion on Shelburne road but it's going to balance between the two systems depending on how that improvement is affecting people's decisions so yeah and I'm thinking both car traffic but also if the car traffic is lessened on route seven that would potentially mean that solutions could be found for cyclists who want to be commuting without using their their vehicles I wouldn't say that you're going to see that kind of change on Shelburne road but there is a decrease the models project a decrease on Shelburne road of I don't remember the exact percent it somewhere in the realm of 10 percent and the project has gone through federal and state permitting received its act to 50 permit the traffic projections along the corridor very kind of neighborhood by neighborhood but this project will add to the street grid network in the south end of Burlington which will add to the resiliency of the system okay Tom I just want to say traffic is all interconnected so anything we can do to distribute it this will address a lot of concerns and complaints I hear from many residents so I'm really excited that this is moving forward a 50-year project and I applaud you I understand the competing interests that I've been weighing on you and trying to get it to this stage version number six so I would hate for South Burlington demand for a path over that little stretch to pause a 50-year project but I just would say that as much as I hear many residents complain about traffic I also have many this community is very committed to bike ability affordability bike ability walkability and so as you look to your plans and if things change again as things constantly do in this type of project I would just hope that you hear from me and I don't know about other members of this council that the importance of bike and pedadette to destiny and crossing over this stretch is just a really high priority for us but again I understand the competing interests that would slow traffic down we have lots of different weights on it so yeah another question I know one motivator for this part where was fine traffic in the northern end the stretch of the road but this road simply takes a right-hand turn on Lakeside Avenue and another left-hand turn onto Pine Street so how does that affect the traffic like the Maple Street intersection which is just a you know kind of nightmare for those residents and also a traffic and then my other question is how does Champlain College feel about the highway kind of landing at their doorstep have they pushed back on this at all or yeah I I think those are really good questions that this council has no impact on I understand this really helps Burlington we're hoping that it will have a positive effect for South Burlington and I think our being at the table of working with you is suggestive of wanting to assist in what's kind of a regional traffic jam or issue but and I can try to give you those answers I understand that that's Burlington right you have many meetings okay so I'm just making my point that if you're a Burlington resident it impacts me I understand so if you'd like I can try to respond to your question so originally the Parkway was conceived to be making connection to batter Street and identifying an historic resource and the alternatives for how we decided that the preferred alternative is to go up Pine Street to Main Street as opposed to going through what used to be the old Street Department yard and so we're left with this project that in many people's eyes kind of did half step to what we originally conceived would be a better solution to get to the downtown core that that said we've made as many improvements as possible to make it more palatable for that neighborhood number one we've this project will approve signalization or intersection control at the key intersections of Maple and Pine King and King and Pine and you'll see less congestion less emissions and those sort of things yes there'll be traffic signals at those key intersections there are also coupled with that we've done in advance of the project we've done considerable about traffic comic within those interior neighborhoods adjacent to that Pine Street corridor so you'll see on King Street some traffic economy has already been installed but this project will also do additional traffic coming once we're in a position to do that under our permit so for instance Maple Street would be calmed once this is in place so there's there's a lot of thought to how we make improvements improve safety some of which in more recent iterations to this design without affecting permitting we've proposed some green spaces some neck downs some bike facility improvements we've seen some of the work we've done in terms of crossings with the rapid flashing weekends for dealer calm we knowing that this project was many years out we went the city went forward with installing a new signal at Lakeside pine which included pedestrian improvements that wasn't an inconsequential expense to the city but we know how important it was to to focus on how we can make improvements in the near term because people didn't need to live today as opposed to waiting for this you'll also note that the advances project we've done a considerable amount of utility work along the Pine Street corridor advance of the project Champlain Parkway is not going to do much for what is underground so we have storm water infrastructure that's being repaired we have water infrastructure that's being replaced and repaired and we're looking to make improvements to key intersections around the Maltex building for ped crossings and all sort of things so there's a lot of little nuance design things that we were able to do it's running at needle while still not violating our permit requirements and it's been a bit of a challenge to kind of get there but I think in the end it'll be a benefit to the public and we hope this thing can happen sooner than later what's the total budget I will be happy to share my cart with you at the end and talk about the Raleigh Art Enterprise project which it envisions a connection between Pine Street and Battery Street so happy to chat about that budget I'm not sure I think it's around somewhere between 30 and 40 million so constructions 30 there's a lot of soft costs to go with that that varies depending on product eligibility but largely this is a 95 3 2 split 2% is our local share but there are items that are largely project ineligible one of the things we're struggling with on this project is soil management pH concentrations and those sort of things that require soil disposal or soil management but do you have any additional information to share with us so this is just the project website share that with you with more information more detail about the project and then that's it and then there just our contact information so noting our our project manager Susan mozan couldn't make it tonight but she is also a key part of our team and so she's listed there Megan you want to read this yes thank you this is Jessica de Villasio lives on Breaux Parkway so just off of Route 7 in South Burlington and she is a commuter by bike into Burlington and just some things that I think haven't been addressed yet but given her experience she would know this has already been stated I'll state this for her as well she said the new plan seems to leave out residents from the orchards who bike to Burlington via Pine Street the parkway isn't biker friendly until home Avenue with the parkway built biking from my neighborhood I would have to take Industrial Avenue past Burton then get on to Pine at home Avenue or travel down Route 7 Route 7 past the 189 interchange to home Avenue and then to Pine and I really encourage our two cities to work together on finding a solution there this is something that hasn't been addressed tonight the that there was a bike path on the north on the south western side edge of the Champlain Park that is that is correct yeah right and you can connect to there from Queen City Park Road correct correct so I don't understand why they have to go to home Avenue well even if you take the bike path you don't have to go I would be very happy to but this is this is also important I know everybody knows what all the connections really are yet so maybe we can forward this email to you afterwards yeah happy to respond to this individual yeah yeah yeah I had business yeah she also said I think this is really important the parkway plan and it might have nothing to do with permitting also proposes a shared use bike path combining bikers and pedestrians on one path is not very safe because they are traveling at much different speeds as someone who used to commute regularly into Burlington via bike and has many neighbors who do I do not recommend shared use paths so I tend to agree with her how long is your path going to be ten feet ten feet long is it the new same place yes a couple decades ago there eight feet was the standard but now ten feet is the general standard on our waterfront bike path were eleven feet use the more we and anyway she just she she expresses her you know her just satisfaction and disappointment and she she feels that there will be more traffic lights definitely raised here tonight so great I will follow up personally with her to explain the shared use path connection it may not resolve all concerns but happy to share information well thank you very much I appreciate this thanks for the opportunity to have us and yes while this project has been permitted in is final from a design standpoint we are happy to discuss construction traffic control plans how we can work together how we can get information out how we can respond for looking at future projects and investments along the corridor thank you for your time why will you take down the filing campus filing campus yes it's not clear what we're going to be doing with us oh but we do know that it's not project eligible and we would have to find our own means they have to get there but it is a destination for a lot of people yeah so I think we're probably going to find a way to kind of have a place for it but maybe not in the parkway trip advisor says it's a top destination so we're gonna figure out what to do thank you so much thank you very much okay we'll move on to item 10 this is considered possibly approve a council resolution calling for the United States to pull back from the brink and prevent nuclear war do you want anything or does the council just want to to refresh everyone's memory my pronouncing that right roar roar came two weeks ago and we requested some slight changes basically to make sure that this gets sent to the state the the chinning county senators along with our congressional delegation and our house representatives so that it you know we could and then the other change was that we would be willing to reach out to other townships to discuss the regional citizens commission to study the feasibility of doing some other things so I thank you for including them in this what I think is an improved and frankly stronger resolution I think maybe before you speak I think having read that and read the edit I think it I think it reads acceptably and well at this point and I would make a motion that we approve and and sign that resolution to prevent nuclear war which is kind of strange to be talking about but let's do it just as well do it see we have any other problems motion in a second is there any further discussion so thank you for doing all this work yeah I do appreciate it well you can are there comments would you like to make a comment Rick you know years ago we had to solve treaties and several other treaties and then I don't I think it was the push administration backed away from some of those and now with the Trump administration we're talking about tactical nuclear weapons in the past we had developed some of those and then we got rid of them because it was a quick way to escalate and get into a war you start with small atomic weapons and it's very shortly in matter of hours it moves bigger ones and then finally you've got them going all over the globe well Trump and they may have even started the bomb administration I don't know is now moving toward tactical weapons he says it's okay why can't we use nuclear bombs so as a result of this the Union of Concerned Scientists is that group that has rooms they clock no the federated both atomic scientists okay so it's two minutes it's about as close as it's ever been so they they see the seriousness so you may not you may wonder what kind of city council we're gonna start somewhere because at the top level of government they're going the wrong direction we're gonna start moving backwards and it's good yeah okay well are you ready for the vote okay all in favor signify by saying hi okay pass unanimously thank you very much thank you thanks and just a note I just found out today that is in nineteen early eighties that there were 200 Vermont towns that passed similar resolutions for the nuclear freeze that started the disarmament that we had so we can do it again and this is great first step thank you thank you that is good and moving on to item 11 consider and possibly approve the signing by the Council of South Burlington open letter to support the nurses before we actually get into that what I would like to state is that individuals from the medical center have contacted both Kevin and me and I think you all got the same emails and they would like to have the opportunity that was sort of a last minute that they learned about this the opportunity to comment on the resolution and they are available on the 15th of October to come and they can't come on October 1st so I would suggest we can hear from people tonight but I would suggest before we take action that we actually have a full conversation they feel that there's some inaccuracies in the resolution but that's I mean that's just my thoughts and the Council can have other thoughts Tom I serve on nine different boards I'm a serial volunteer and what I say is on those boards I think it's common courtesy to if they want to be heard and they were only made aware of it on Friday I'm happy to delay but I will say this to my nursing friends I stand with the nurses union and I support this resolution so when it comes before us if it does I would definitely vote for it but I hear that point and I think it makes sense to give the UVMMC a little bit more time if they're asking for it just since they were only made aware of it on Friday I have a different opinion I do too yeah I feel that I believe that the city is a negotiation with some of our own unions right now so for the City Council to take a position on this particular union process right might somehow reflect in prejudice on our own union process our own you know negotiation so I'm asking city manager and if the city councilor is here our lawyer maybe he could that's all Andrew outside if he's willing to come in if you want to talk about the tonight I don't know if you want to but that's my concern is that I don't know if we're free to express an opinion on this particular negotiation process when we have one of our own so if we were to say it could be in support of the nurses right but let's say we were have an impasse with our own public safety that might be perceived as some sort of bias or reverse bias I don't know so just want to put that out there as a caveat I have the same thought about integrity initially but then a community member who's signed this and I hadn't read it when I spoke with her she she she pointed out to me that the result was is asking them basically to go to the table and negotiate and I think that would be in everybody's favor regardless of where that occurs whether it be at the hospital here in our city or elsewhere so I very much support the result clause and I think if we kind of work with the where as is and make it perhaps just more general I think that it's something that we could pass tonight I think that the second meeting in October is late with regard to a negotiation that has been going on for some time and I think it's if it provides some impetus to get people to the table I see that it could only be a benefit for everybody so that's my perspective so the way I see it is kind of a mix of what the two of you have said and Tom is how many of you folks out here are nurses I'm just curious it's just a few so I I support the nurses a thousand percent especially having been an inmate for six days back in back in May I couldn't have been treated better what I did hear about some of the challenges many of the chants all of the challenges that you folks face and I was on beard six I was horrified at the infrastructure and wrote them a three page letter which I got a response assuring me they were working on it but but I don't think we can as a council take a position that favors one side or the other I think we can say that we encourage both entities to even eat no matter whether there's fault anywhere I don't think it's our position to cite preference I think we can say we and so the resolution would need some minor word smithing and certainly the where as is our tilted it makes us sound pro nurse which we may be but I don't think that's a job for us to get get involved and take position on I think I think what we can do is encourage both sides to solve this quickly and and now so this doesn't go on forever and keep dragging on and it's been certainly a burden for the nursing community which isn't which isn't right but I don't think it's our nothing to do with who's right who's wrong I don't think it's our job to influence the decision it's our job to encourage action be taken to resolve this quickly because been dragging on for way too long that's how I interpreted the net the be it resolved but I get your points and I would be it resolved as a couple of pieces in it that would need to be in order to make it a level playing field if GMT was in a big labor negotiation I don't know how I feel about other boards weighing in on it so I get that I just I think we can each individually express our support however we so choose either now or at other times but I get those concerns and so what's your pleasure table it and not and get some other information from the medical center or just a tentative strong statement tonight that we support nurses we value we recognize their critical part of the health system and that we really hope that both sides reach an agreement sooner rather than later and just kind of leave it like leave it at that and not get into this is what they said we can't do it gets paid what and I can't right right we're not the fact finders no not at all so you know but to not allow the medical center to have their say is a little short-sighted as well on the other hand if we do this it's fairly innocuous and it just says basically says everybody get your act together and finish this off can't imagine anyone would have a problem I mean they're there some of the concerns they shared with me as they thought there were some factual errors in the where as is I don't know what we would just make a statement right right I wonder how that can we ask how the nurses feel about that we got one and would you want to come up to the table oh I'm sorry would you please come to the table so you can speak into the mic and the rest of the world you can't imagine how many people listen to me so I learned about this yep would you please tell us you need Arsha Dunham South Burlington resident Moscow and Lane so I first learned about this proposed resolution by front porch forum and then I read in the City Council website what the resolution was and I was really really taken aback that's such a proposal which reads like Union ease the Union's statements the Union's positions from the very beginning of the conversations and that it's presented to the council as a resolution in support of the nurses but what it really comes across is asking the City Council to support the Union's negotiating points without full information without knowing what has happened in the last months what the hospitals responses have been this is a one-sided story there is nothing from the hospital and it's really unbalanced and there's a big difference between support the nurses in their Union endeavors and support nurses I personally don't see where it's the City Council's position to take a position in a labor dispute like you know you mentioned before I just think this is an inappropriate forum for this to play out in I don't think it's fair and it really I think support of this resolution would be really an injustice without having full information available giving the hospital to an opportunity but even then is it the City Council's position to weigh in on that I think that's what we said right we're not we're not arbitrage we I think as Helen said we could we could safely say nurses are incredibly important invaluable and and and many lives depend on their services and we encourage the medical center and the nurses and the nurses organization to resolve this reach agreement quickly I mean we can we can do that that's totally in you know innocuous I don't know if that helps what the nurses want but we can't get involved in negotiations at all work of the appearance of yeah trying to favor one side or the other that's not our job some union people would you like to come up and then thank you very much can you hear me can you hear me yeah yes I'm Diane Zeller I live in South Burlington I'm a periop nurse I've been there 10 years never gotten raised in 10 years but I'm also on the bargaining committee and I just would like to say some things I want to thank you for saying that nurses are important we are doctors are important doctors are just as important neither one can do without the other but they're leaving and nurses are leaving and we are so short-staffed in nursing that it is a safety issue with the patients that are there and they're not administration of the ones who are not doing anything to help us because they're the ones who will have to do it you know they just we've been negotiating with them since March 29th and we're here for safe staffing we want safe staffing for for everyone which protects nurses and staff because we're having because we don't have enough staff support staff there our nurses are getting hurt by taking care of patients physically getting hurt and having to go out on disability because of it you know and the fight has been a long one and we've been without a contract since July 9th and we've sacrificed an awful lot since then in this process but we know we're fighting for everyone that includes every single one of you here could be a patient of ours and maybe something negative will happen to you because we don't have enough staff and we're not the ones who hire the people it's the administration that hires them or that gives us the salaries that we need to generate we are the 47th lowest paying nurses state in this country that's how bad it is and people are leaving because they the salaries are horrible among other things but that's that's one of them but I know that you probably have heard that there's a last best and final offer that the hospital made we just want to clarify that we are not we have not reached an impasse we are continuing to negotiate and we're doing that on Wednesday again can you tell me why the you're not wishing to allow the the members the nurses to vote on that last offer that was my understanding what I learned today was the the ish the last best offers on the table and the union negotiators said to the administration we will not allow our members to vote on this well we did that you're getting the wrong information where'd you get that from administration yeah well the week before each one of us there's about 40 of us that are on the bargaining team each one of it I represent the entire peri app department which I don't know whether you know what peri up means it's the pre-op it's the post-op it's the PPR it's the comfort zone it's the OR it's MPU that's those are all the people I represent and what we did was we did a verbal as to what what they all wanted and we all want to move forward with negotiating you don't want to we want to move forward with negotiating more that's what that's what that's what everybody's everybody wants so we have done a verbal vote we've all done that each one at the bargaining team which I said we're 40 somewhat people representing each many departments and they go back to their department and they've gotten a verbal vote and this is what it is to move forward with negotiating verbal vote is a vote then right of course it is tally it up of course it is we do we tally up numbers I tally it up some of my numbers but if you know if you've got we've got the large majority that they want to continue to negotiate and so that's why we're meeting again on Wednesday with them well I hope you continue to to meet well we've been meeting with them since May 20 I understand that and I understand that negotiations sometimes are really tough and they take a long time I mean I should they hopefully not but they do you know it's but we're we're all negotiating for every single one our entire community the town of South Burlington everyone in this room we are negotiating for better things for our patients and for us also but our patients are always coming first that's what we're here for that's what we went to school for that's what we're our jobs are and we want what's best for them and we don't have enough staff and they're not listening to us yes thank you very much I'm Chuck Pizer I'm a resident of South Burlington I am not a nurse I'm not a union member I'm living the community I've been here 10 years three of my four biological kids have grown up here over a dozen of my foster kids have gone through our home and certainly everybody who every everyone in this town has had firsthand experience with hospitals and quality care that nurses provide whether it's joyous occasions whether it's minor mishaps or whether it's acute critical life threatening diseases we've each seen what happens in a hospital and how critical nurses are to providing the care and safety great to see the doctor you see him once a day maybe it's really the nurses who translate the information it's the nurses who provide the information that the doctor then comes in and says okay the nurse is right we're going to go with this task we're going to go with that task I approach this issue from a livability standpoint I had the opportunity to work for Mary Daly from the city of Chicago for many years and he talked about what makes a city livable there are words that are given out for livability one of the things that whether it's measured or not is the fact that you have quality health care that's accessible affordable and that when you go there you're safe and so from my standpoint I want to know that what makes south brunton a quality wonderful community for me is that I don't have to go to platzberg I don't have to go to Dartmouth I don't have to go out of state to get quality service I can go to UVM medical center and in numerous occasions whether it was my 91 year old mother or whether one of my foster kids who has a life threatening terminal disease we can go to UVM medical center which is three and a half miles down the road now when we go there I want to make sure that there are nurses there who are happy who are working who are being paid a dignified wage for the hard work that they do I want to make sure that they don't have to stay there they can take the ferry and go across to platzberg but in an emergency I can't go across the ferry to platzberg I have to come right to the hospital three miles down the road and I want to make sure there's quality care and the nurses are working adequate hours are not running to 25 or 30 patients as opposed to 10 that we're getting the care that we need and I think most people in the community want to have when they need that critical care that they know that they can count on UVM medical center to provide that for them this resolution you know I was out there with the lives of groups so with rights and democracy two and a half months ago outside the administration building with signs and honking the horn you know people coming by honking the horns showing us their support we tried to set up a meeting a community meeting with the hospital administration they're not interested they're not interested in meeting with the community members we returned away resources we have we go to our community leaders because while they won't listen to our community members maybe they'll start listening to leaders in our community Burlington took a look at this resolution they've passed it other communities are taking a look at it it is essentially saying we want to make sure that one people are treated dignified and that this critical workforce are treated well and to we want you to take a look at the impact you have not just on the Burlington community but on the South growing community the Winooski community all of Chittenden County all of the communities that feed into this major medical facility and so with that I can understand it's always good to hear all sides of the story there's been going on a long time I think both sides are pretty well heard it's not the first time anyone's heard about this this resolution is already passed in Burlington it's not a new piece of information sure yes I just want to say again that I individually support this my name's right there on the top that but I as a city councilor I don't think I'm ready to move this because I don't know their support and be I definitely marsha your email and your comments convince me that we should hear from the other side before we as a board take action on this so I'd want to hear from you VMMC before I as a city councilor move this forward but again you have my name I support the nurses I stand with the nurses but that's where I personally am on this ask one question well are you going to have us in the same you're talking about they said they wanted to meet with you people on October 15th am I correct in that date yes that's when and we all going to be together to discuss it and hear both our sides well this is an open meeting so yeah I'm saying October 15th you're saying something about October 1st you wanted to do it instead somebody made a comment about they weren't able to I would have they oh wait let me just double check but my question I think it had to be and then if they can't show up on the 15th we can wait another month and the negotiation still flounder mm-hmm at least a courtesy of a till the 15th on the 15th that she can make it this is I lean way on but again I support about it I just don't think the votes are there tonight and I would rather not have the medical center come in at all because that's exactly the kind of situation they don't want to get in the middle of right obviously the community has been watching this process for a long time has seen your two day strike understands that there are prerogatives on both sides and in any labor negotiation process there are two truths out here and it's usually something that's right about in the middle because that's what it's all about right and and I'm not saying that one side is right or wrong I'm just saying it's a labor negotiation process so I think that as a council that we might be able to say I think David's already said it that we consider that the the medical center community resource is extremely important to our community and communities beyond and so it's our wish that the parties come together and achieve some sort of a you know an agreement as soon as possible I just offer my very edited version sure it's truly it has the wear as this and then therefore so I have the first way whereas the University of Vermont Medical Center based in Burlington but with facilities placed throughout our region including UVMMC dialysis UVMMC family medicine in multiple clinics at Tilly Drive in South Burlington is a six hospital network in home health care and hospice agency that is the regional level one trauma center for northern Vermont and New York thereby playing an essential role in the people's health safety and well-being in the same way as police and fire services are and and I skip down to the fifth whereas whereas in 2002 the nurses at UVMMC organized a union for Mount Federation of Nurses and Health Professionals Local 521 in order to improve standards of patient care work to secure a healthy and safe working environment and establish equitable wages and benefits for frontline health care workers and the next whereas and whereas the nurses union represents from 1800 nurses and other health professionals and is currently in contract negotiations with UVMMC management and finally the next whereas and whereas the critical issues and negotiations are safe staffing levels competitive and equitable pay and fundamental respect now therefore be it resolved that in the interest of the well-being health and safety of our residents and visitors we hear by call on UVMMC management to find common ground and come to an agreement that is in the best interest of the community and one respects the worth and dignity of UVMMC nurses and other health care workers to these the safe nurse-states staffing ratios and reduction in vacancies and three pace fair and equitable wages to recruit and retain high quality nurses and support workers. We can't do that. If you stopped if you stopped at the word community and put a period right and then you only used the first one you stopped whereas you know it's this resource. Would you write? Is what I wrote and perhaps you'd rather have this than have us do nothing at all and it's even more simplistic. It says what I wrote is the South Burlington City Council recognizes the incredible importance of quality medical services and care provided by doctors nurses and many others in the greater Burlington community and calls on the UVM medical center management the Vermont Federation of nurses and health professionals to find common ground and come to an agreement that is in the best interest of the community without further delay. That's all I wrote because that doesn't take any. That's fairly neutral. Well it's got to be neutral. We can't tilt one way or the other. That's not what we're not we're not supposed to do that. And we can't. As a board. As a board. Yeah. Individually you can. Sure. You take the last part of Megan's statement where she where it talks about equitable pay and adequate staffing and you add that to yours. I don't see that as taking a position. Well I don't know. I think we have to be 100% transparent and neutral. I don't think we can. I think one of the issues are equitable. I suspect the administration believes they're offering an equitable. I think both sides would say that they're doing that. I really don't see that as a charged term myself but that's just me. I don't see that as taking a position. Yeah. I mean our federal leaders do that all the time. They say we would like to make a suggestion. I think these are their stated goals in the email that they sent to us with regard to their last best offer. I think. I don't think. All I wrote was basically saying get moving. I'm simple. I just agree with taking the neutral approach. I really feel that if you. I'm sorry I disagree with you. That's okay. If you come out that way I just think you're putting yourself in a position that could be very difficult later. It's a wonderful medical center. I moved here two years ago because of medical care. And I know how good it is but I think if you take a position I think it's totally wrong. I agree. Where are we? Can we agree with? May I say one other thing? And you want to read that again? Yeah. Go ahead and say what you're going to say. Well I mentioned I worked for Mayor Daley. In 20 years there were 17 strikes at Chicago Public Schools. And if you never resolve a problem and you just bandated it comes over and over and over again. And once again the nurses haven't received adequate pay. As I said to you I've been here 10 years. I've not gotten a raise in 10 years. So there is an impact on the community certainly. And I appreciate the comments. But I will say that it would be nice to resolve the problem. It would be nice to as a major corporate entity in the state. I'll be at a 501c3. But as a major corporate entity they still do have a community responsibility. And a community responsibility to the community. Absolutely. I don't think any of us disagree with that. I think the issue for us is not to get in the middle of a labor dispute or take any kind of... So let me just read to you. The language from the administration is sent to us. What administration? The UVM Medical Center Administration. They sent this to us on Friday. So in the very entry they talked about that they have presented significant wage increases that are fair, competitive and consistent with our market based compensation philosophy. Okay, perhaps equitable is not in there. They use other words. But also at the end we want to begin the important work of implementing these positive changes including enhanced staffing. Okay, so perhaps it's not safe nurse staffing but enhanced staffing and wage increases. So they do address the issues that are addressed in these individual points. Now maybe we want to change the adjectives but I don't want to belabor these points. But I think it's important for us as representatives of the community to acknowledge issues that both sides deem to be important. Which is staffing levels and wages. And I don't see that as taking a side. Now maybe we can tweak the adjectives. But I think it's important to hit on the issues that are deemed by both sides to be critical to remaining a top tier medical hospital. Level one trauma hospital. And I think that just saying you know come to an agreement. Okay, that's kind of fast and dirty. But I think it behooves us to hit on the points thoughtfully that both sides have laid out is really critical. I added the words on staffing and wages after come to an agreement. Because I still do not believe we can be anything but 100% balanced on this. As a board. But listen the number one was basically saying they're incredibly important. That's absolute. The birth and dignity of UMMC's nurses and other healthcare workers. And then I don't know we could say leads to nurse staffing ratios and wages. You can help with that. I don't know what the nurse staffing ratios really are. That doesn't state it here though and it doesn't state it there. But that are desirable for our community. That would meet the needs of our community. Responsibly. These are very innocuous terms that I think both sides. I think they're probably more charged than you think. I mean the Green Mountain care board didn't even want to take this up. I support Dave's language and if this drags out longer for another couple months we should maybe come back to this. Well that's not a bad idea Tom. So I'll read it again if you want. I added those two specifics of staffing and wages which are the two biggest issues. May I talk about wages for one moment? Over in Platsburg was the community hospital and when they get the real sick patients they send them over to us. Our acuity levels are so serious because we are so understaffed also. But they over there who have a lower cost of living. They get more pay per hour than we do at our place here. That's just one example. And even with the proposal it doesn't come up to parity with them. No it does not. Listen to what they want to say. Go right ahead. But if you want to really know the real truth then you need to look at the percentage that they're giving us that they're offering us and what we're asking for. Sure. And then I'd like to move on. By the way my name is Ray Gondog. I'm from South Barlington. I just agree with this idea of staying neutral on the basis of while we can't get involved in negotiations. Because I think this situation is very very different than a private industry with a union negotiating with each other. Where the only people that are impacted is the company and the employees. We're all impacted by what happens at that hospital, how good the quality of service is. And it affects all of us just as Chuck has said earlier. So I don't agree with he. I mean it's not my point to agree or not. But since I'm not a counselor but I can't support your point of view that we have to stay absolutely neutral in this case. Because of the really important difference between a hospital situation and a private industry. Thank you. Do you want to? Nothing or we can do something. We'll pass yours then if that's where we're at. I'm going to read it again and then you guys can say. You folks can say. I wrote the South Barlington City Council recognizes the incredible importance of quality medical services and care provided by doctors nurses and many others. And the greater Burlington community and calls on the UVM medical center management and Vermont Federation of nurses and health professionals to find common ground and come to an agreement on staffing and wages that is in the best interest of the community. Second. That's a motion. I second it. Well, I think that's better than us saying nothing. Yep. No. Okay. So you make the motion. I'll make the motion. Tom seconded it. Is there further discussion? I'll only. The only thing I'll discuss is that this thing goes nowhere in a couple of months. We're happy to revisit it again. I hope you can appreciate what we're trying to do. But what obviously several of us feel we can't do either. So October 15th is still going to occur with. Is that what you're saying? I don't think it needs to. I think this is what we're passing. And we wouldn't need to get in the middle of. An argument about exactly what percentage and who's getting an increase and is it enough. We want to pass this. So we have a motion on the table. Are you? Is there further discussion? Okay. Okay. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Okay. That's five zero. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And I hope you understand that we support your. Your efforts and. In our position. We appreciate it. We appreciate it. Thank you. And if we could get. Is there any way I could jot down exactly what. You had. Or do you have something. Inside Kevin and then it'll turn up somewhere in public. It's because it's impossible to read what I. And we're going to get that though. Yes. How will we receive that. Video. Video. The value of you folks is incredible. I mean, I have one just to decide. One of my nurses was a young fellow from hardwick. He told me, I think he went three weeks straight without a day off. And multiple shifts at a time on occasion. I think my comment to him was. Don't you screw up my medication. I got it. I had a grievance once. About a year, year and a half ago. A nurse of ours worked for 24 hours straight. There is no way. And that is horrible. That is. Pathetic. Absolutely. Well, thank you very much. We sincerely appreciate it. If one of you want to give us your. No, I got to write. Email. And then. We can. So. Write that down. Yeah. It's not a piece of paper. Tom, thank you so much for signing the letter. Thank you for supporting the resolution. We encourage you. To come to our website. Rights and democracy. Vermont. Dot org. Under resources. And we love for you all to. To sign as individuals. The letter. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'll give you my. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to item 12. It's the draft financials. Tom Hubbard. Thanks, Ellen. So the draft. Went out on Friday to all of you. Along with the narratives from department managers. Which I think they went. It's a pretty good detail. On. But I'd be happy to respond to any questions you have. About that. What I thought I might do is just. Maybe give you a general overview of some of the. FY 18. Budget. Kind of a review. Just for the public who doesn't. See all the. Analysis that department managers do. So. Total funds in FY 18. We're just over $38 million. $24 million of that. So. We're just over $38 million. We're just over $38 million. We're just over $38 million. And so. $34 million of that was. General fund expenditures. And about 10 million of that general fund revenues. In regard to the open space fund, this was the first full year that we had use of that half cent. Allocation. And as you saw in the budget, we had originally intended to have an expenditure line. And a revenue line. Neither of which we used. Within the general fund, to pay those directly out of the special fund. So the fact that our expenditures are at 92.97% of what was budgeted and our revenues were 93.22% of what was budgeted was mainly a reflection of not utilizing those other numbers. Does that make sense? Because those were big numbers. And anyway, we finished the year on a positive note just over $61,000 and as indicated to you in the memo, the fiscal year 18 budget also was the first year that we made a payment out of the communications equipment bond that was passed a year ago. It was the final year of the airport settlement that impacted our budget. It seems like a long time ago, but as of June 30th, we were still it was. And that really, as you might recall, negated the 1.5% growth in the grand list that we had for that year. So that's 1.25 total? Yes, total. The paving money has been allocated, even though it wasn't spent in 18. I want to assure you that was accrued into 19 budget. And as those paving projects are completed this fall, those payments will be made still out of the 18 budget. So in the audit, it will reflect that those expenditures were all paid and any money that is left over will stay in the 19 paving budget for further projects. We do that every year. So that's why that number is what it is at this point. Insurance, I just wanted to indicate that our property insurance, our casualty insurance, worker's comp insurance, even though we've had some increases over the last couple of years, we're still over $300,000 less payment right now than what we finished up two years ago paying the VLCT. So it's still a significant difference there for us. Our worker's comp module is still less than one. And really the only penalty that we receive is because the amount of overtime that we pay out. So when they do the worker's comp audit, that's kind of a ding against us. And that result is in about $45,000 a penalty to us this year. Yeah, why is that a penalty? Is that because the census, you might be working more than 10 hours a day? More prone to injury. So you're more prone to, yep, yep, yep. More hours. So that. Although isn't a lot of the overtime, like in the police or fire pulling someone in to cover? To cover. Till overtime, right? Yep. They haven't necessarily worked the whole shift and now they got to extend it, but they are not on that shift and they get pulled in because someone is sick. Yeah, and I'm not sure they go into that detail with it. I think they just figure overtime is over time, even if you're plowing, you know, that's more man hours that someone's out there and eight hour day may actually be a 14 hour day or a 16 hour day and yep. And that's the second highest rate. Yeah, no, no, I understand that, but I just think some of the overtime for the fire is different. I think it's a full shift rather than an extra couple of hours at the end is what you're saying, Helen, but it's still overtime. So if they have Wednesday, Thursday, Friday off. But it's not a full shift immediately following a full shift might would very well lead to some safety things. It's just you're working. I mean, I can't remember how many hours a week they actually work, but. And over time in fire can be 48 hours, can be up to 40 to a back to back shift. Oh, it can be. Oh, okay. All right. The cost drivers, as you all know really well, remain for us, the pension, the healthcare and the cost of living allowance. And we're still in negotiation with all three bargaining units. And as we look to put the budgets together for this next year, we'll do our best to do projections on that. The local options tax came in really good for us. We were 66,000 above our projection. Last year we were 82,000 below it. So that's always nice when you come out on top, but generated $3.7 million for us. So 2.7 of that was sales tax. The rest was the rooms and meals. So still significant. We asked this before. Do we get a breakout of sources? We don't see how much comes out of humor, right? Retail. No, we've asked for that detail. And we've been told that we don't have access to that. I think that's a question that we need to press our legislators to push forward. I think if the legislature said you're gonna do this, the tax department. If any is coming from Amazon. Well, I mean, it would be an interesting analysis. At least you need a breakout of all of the businesses paying into South that are comprised, not to give numbers, but just a list of all the businesses that have some money in that tone, including Amazon or whatever, you know, just because they have to receive the money from somewhere, they have that accounting. And I'll acknowledge Andrew who's been trying very hard to get exactly that information for us. So we can find out if the right businesses are being paid. Yeah, no, it's the right question, Tim. We'd love to have a look at it. They wanted a part of it, they can say it, but I'm not sure they're interested. Well, that's what I really think we should. Well, I'm gonna write a resolution right now for the tax department. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Whereas. The winter was a tough one for us, so we had higher costs for snow removal over time, diesel fuel, salt, that's all related. The move of the library was accommodated in the general fund budget. The city center park, construction, market street, reconstruction, all is gonna be 100% TIF funded. We're not gonna have to hit the city center reserve funds information that you know, but I wanna make sure that residents understood that. We did some more upgrading to our network servers. This past year, we've created redundancy that we didn't have before with IT. We've embarked upon this laser feesh technology. We're all, we're beginning to digitize all our land records, all our planning and zoning files. It's an extensive project that's gonna carry into fiscal year 19, it's still going on and we hope to complete it this year, but Paul's already seeing some of the results of that with people coming in, looking up properties from some of the letters like letter B, I believe has already been done and Marla pulled up all the files, right? Had them right in front of her and it's pretty amazing. It's gonna be nice when it's complete and we're making good progress with it. And then we had the blockchain that Donna celebrated here with the governor just a couple of weeks ago. So it kind of put us on the map for technology, who knew. The REC department, Sobu Night Out has gone from losing or costing a significant amount of money to us in the general fund budget to turning a profit this year. So that was substantial, we thanked the sponsors, the infrastructure upgrades that the council allowed us to do through the proceeds with money from the solar array at the landfill, helped get that in a condition where we could actually turn that into a revenue generator and we looked to expand that program next year, maybe even with some additional sponsorship. So that was good news. Payroll services, we've updated our payroll system. We've been able to streamline our payroll system by going to a time and attendance module that cost a little bit of money, but it's saving a significant amount of time from staff on the data entry side of things. The enterprise funds are both healthy. They remain in good financial shape as we enter FY19. We should have the July and August financials for you at the October 1st meeting and then the September financials at the October 15th meeting, which will get us in line to do our monthly reports. But we had to close this one out to be able to process the July, August, and September. So hopefully you found the narratives informative, but I'd be happy to respond to any specific questions that you have and a lot of information. So I don't know what happened. So that came as a separate email for me on Friday to you Friday afternoon. I will say the file you sent out on Friday, I couldn't open it on my phone. So Helen, if you try it. I couldn't open it on this either. The Word document or the... It was the Word document. The only one I could open was from the fire. Yeah, the other one won't open a little bit of ice. So I never got the other one. Okay. It came out Friday, but it was a... I thought it was my device, and I tried a different one. Could you open it on this? No, it had to open on a PC. So I'm sure Tim could open it because he doesn't use tablets. Are any of the rest of you having issues with getting things from the box? No. Okay. Well, I have to see Al because... I know you... I haven't started... I couldn't get it tonight either. I think you could remove that from your address this week. But I can't do... Fix that. I'll try to resend that. It was a Word file. It was a Word file, but it said you need Excel to open it. It was weird. Yeah, I didn't even see it. I just opened it. I don't... What, he sent it on Friday? It's a Word document from Tom and from Sue. Yeah. I opened it on Friday and it just opened in my... Whatever this machine is. PDFs always work. Portable document formats. Yeah. So I'll PDF that and resend it to you so you have that analysis. And you all received Chief Brents? Yeah. That, I got. Okay. I just... Are you worse? Chief Francis... How much? Terry Francis sent his out this morning, I think. Is it the office that is making it incompatible, maybe? Yeah. I don't know. I can open it on this. I'm with you. But I just... You can open it up because this is old, so... Yeah, this is what I got. So... I'm sure we could fix it. But I can't open it on my cell phone, which is brand new, so I should be able to do it. I'll PDF it. Yeah. Yeah. And I got nothing from the time. All right. Is that all you have, Tom? I just have... Oh. I'll be happy to respond to questions. Yes. We ended FY17 with a small surplus of... Was it also like $60,000? It was like $35,000. $35,000. Yeah. And then last year at $60,000... $61,000. So, two points on that curve, that's a good, better trend than before, because the auditor had told us that we should have at least $100,000 in something, a buffer, right? The auditor would like to see us at $1.7 million on our balance sheet. And we have just over a million. Right. We wanted that surplus to be accelerated, right? Correct. That's better than we've been doing. It is. And as indicated... I think we're over $500, I think. We hit accrued all the paving money as well, so... Electrical inspections help with that, right? Much better this year. Right. Yeah. Almost met that projection. Fire inspection revenue, same. Could you explain what Terry Francis wrote about fire and electrical kind of going like this? Well, some of the... A lot of the inspections they do together, and some of the way that the fees are collected completely go into the fire inspection revenue right now, rather than be broken out, even though there's some things that Jim is doing that's more electrical inspection oriented. So Terry is going to separate that list more completely so that there's a better of accounting of what exactly is under fire inspection, according to the state, and what is exactly under the electrical inspection. So what's going to happen is that the fire inspection might come down a little bit revenue and the electrical inspection might go up a little bit. I think his point was that Jim probably met his budget projection. It just went into fire inspection revenue instead. Yes? One question I have from a South Burlington resident friend of mine who's a Wilson firefighter is consistent with the narrative that our EMS calls are going up, and I'm curious, he seemed to express to me that we have a lot of turnover, where we are not making all of our ambulance calls because there's so many of them. One question I have when we bring in the department heads is, are we losing ambulance revenue because our ambulance service is overtaxed and that we're sending it to neighboring municipalities? I don't think you can answer that now, but I saw that hinted at in the narrative. Yeah, probably Terry would probably be better to handle that. I would say it's not unlike any other year we've ever had, Tom. We are constantly relying on UVM, St. Michael's, Burlington at times to help and assist with calls. There's just no way you can properly staff for what the worst event could be, and fortunately for us, we're not experiencing the events like the South has right now, but for us, a really bad event could be six EMS calls at one time. You can't staff to that 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, but you can make sure that there's a plan in place that if you can handle all the calls that somebody can. I think the advantage of the regionalization of the dispatch will help be able to identify where the closest ambulances are so that they can dispatch them immediately to that call. Because right now, if our guys are busy and a call comes in, they'll call South Burlington, our guys are out, and they're on the phone to Shelburne have somebody, to Williston have somebody, you know, and we'll be able to see it with the technology of the regional dispatch center is going to offer. That will save a lot of time. What's the required staffing for EMS? By our contract, it's eight people. For EMS, too. Almost all of our firefighters are EMS. But is that just for fire calls that they're eight required or for EMS calls? It's for both. It's for both. Yep. Yep. And I think Terry said about 87% of our calls are EMS. Our shift is nine. We can, the contract allows for eight under certain circumstances. The typical shift is nine. That's four down at station two, four up here, five up here. Three and five. Three and five. I have never walked through station two. I would love to walk through that facility sometime. Who's dropping it? Yeah. I guess I could just wander in. I think it's useful for us to see our facilities. We've done that before. Yeah, we have. We have. Good. It's a lot smaller. You can have dinner in the alley. Sounds good. Across the street. Okay. Are there any other questions related to the draft financial? Thank you very much. Yes, thank you. And you'll somehow figure out how the rest of us can get that, right? What, the thing from Dave? Yeah. Yes, I will. Or maybe I'll forward it. Maybe I can just forward it to my laptop. Thank you. I move to convene as the South Burlington Liquor Control Board. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. I move to accept the target second class liquor license. Thank you, target. The only question I had is I didn't get any paperwork with them. Yeah. It's target. We just want them. No. All I, all I got was. That's right. The thing we signed. Was the thing we signed. Right. There was no sign-off. None of the details. The fire. And as I recall, Councillor Chittenden on another occasion did not want to vote for it until we got the complete package. Everybody equally. That was for liquor though. This is just beer, right? Second class? Yeah, just as drunk. Beer and wine. Beer and wine. Yeah. Uncomfortable with it. But you're right. Yeah, we had no paperwork. No paperwork. Yeah. We can't really go around without paperwork. I mean, I don't think we can. Well, we can. But we'd like to see the fact that everybody signs off on it. Yep. Yeah. I mean, this is. Yes, we have. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's right. Okay. I withdraw my motion. Okay. So would you please let them know that we would like the paperwork? I believe that that was probably a problem at my end. Oh, okay. So I didn't make sure that. Well, we will vote on them. They're not opening before October 1st, are they? I don't know when they're opening, isn't it mid-October? I think they're shooting for October 1st, but I haven't heard anything more on that. It'll be. I heard October 23rd. It's the grand opening. We're meeting next week, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. No, we can do it next week. Yeah, next week? We can do it. We're meeting to go over the evaluation. We could do one thing of business. Yeah. Paul, you haven't got any word. I had heard that it was somewhere around the 20th. Yeah. I thought it was late. They're still. That's the grand opening, but they might have a soft opening in earlier October. Was that right? It'll be a soft one without alcohol. It'll be soft drinks. Soft drinks. Be very soft. There are chains on the glass. Ginger ale. Ginger ale. Okay. So we will take up Targette, or Targette's second class liquor license at a later time. So we need a motion to get out of them. So moved. I move to commit. All in favor? All right. All right. Okay. Any other business? All right. Then our next item is going into executive session to discuss real estate transactions. With the anticipation that we would come out and possibly approve a transaction. So I move that the council make a specific finding that premature general public knowledge of the confidential attorney client communications related to the city planning as well as the negotiation securing a real estate would clearly place the public body in the city at a substantial disadvantage. I'll second that. All in favor? Aye. And having so found, I move that the council enter into an executive session for the purpose of discussing confidential attorney client communications made for the purpose of providing professional legal services to the council related to city planning and the negotiation and securing of real estate, inviting Kevin Doran, Tom Hubbard, Paul Conner, Andrew Bulldick and Amanda Lafferty into the executive sessions. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. So we will take a quick little break so people can wander up there. Because we have to come back to do this. We, yeah, we probably have to, you might have to, Charlie, stick around, I don't think he has to. Okay. Kevin, do you want Sue to stay? Do you want Wi-Fi? No. Yeah.