 Jack Kavanaugh and I just met but we have something in common and that is that in the early 80s We were among the first patients that had micro fracture by Dr. Richard Stevan, which was a little bit controversial when he started doing it But I want to step back from that for one second when I went in to have my x-ray I had some scars on my knee I'd had surgery before just like you had had surgery before and that the x-ray technicians said to me Oh, you've had somebody else do your work once you've had the rest It's time to see the best and so you had some problems that dr. Stevan fixed problems caused by other orthopedic surgeons. Yes, that's correct Actually, I had a fracture and the fracture they're not heal well and ended up causing a significant issue on my knee I was told by the experts in the profession in several cities That it was hopeless and that I needed to have any replacement I was still quite active in sports at the time and that's the last thing that I wanted This is over 30 years ago knee replacements were pretty new things then they were new and even today I'm a doctor also not orthopedist But even today knee replacement is only a temporary fix and you have to have another one if you can be active a number of years later And it certainly is much more limiting than your own joint would be so did dr. Stevan's work changed your life Oh, absolutely He kept me from having a knee replacement and it's now 30 years later and I'm able to do my everyday sports and I'm looking forward to many more years of that as a doctor yourself. How do you respect dr. Steadman? Well dr. Steadman is absolutely unique because what he does and what he did do is he looked at every patient as an individual There are a lot of these what I call orthopedic mills where Orthopedists will do tending replacements every Monday morning every surgery that dr. Steadman did Was uniquely designed for the that particular patient's issue and if it was a Microfracture it was a combination of microfracture and others Then he would do that and whatever time it took to do that he did that so I have sent Dozens and dozens of patients and dr. Steadman that were also told there at the end of the road they needed to have knee replacements and So many of them many years later are in sports walking around running enjoying their lives because of dr. Steadman a couple of white-haired guys who are athletic activities today to dr. Richard Steadman. Thank you jack Kavanaugh. Thank you so much