 Howdy folks Anthony Johnson here founder of the 21 convention 21 studios hosting today's episode number 24 of the red man group on 21 live Joining me today. I have Carl from black label logic Donovan sharp from sharp reality Also speaker at the upcoming 21 convention Rola Tomasi from the rational male upcoming speaker at the 21 convention and Texas Dom from Texas Dom comm You'll be at the convention and probably speaker in the near future Gentlemen, thanks for helping on the show today Howdy Good to be back good to be back. Yeah, thanks for having us Yep, thank you. I got some little items to go through here before we kick off the round table and figure out what's going on Everyone's lives First of all, if you're new to the show hit the like button on this video or on Twitter wherever you're seeing it It helps out the show and the channel and all the speakers and everybody. Oh, there's Ryan Stone. Thank you There he is. Oh looking clean dude looking clean. Oh, yeah back from the spa Yeah, look at that. Look at that hair. Look at the look at those sideburns. All right, Ryan I see you. This is Ryan Stone Traditional guest RMG and moderator at married red pill and upcoming speaker at the 21 convention once again Ryan kind of going through some news items and then we'll hit like the round table second After the like button guys, make sure you subscribe to the channel follow the group on Twitter anywhere You can do subscribe or follow do it We also you'll see in the YouTube video. We have a new at the top of the link There's like a join the channel membership It's a new thing YouTube to start it for certain channels. You want to support 21 studios directly. That's a good way to do it second only to 21 University and the 21 convention Tickets are still on sale to the 21 convention. 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Yeah, I just I just got that this morning. I broke 30,000 followers on Twitter and so that's kind of a big deal. I guess Every time I get another 10,000 I kind of go. Hmm. You know think about where I am a Lot of people think I should be above that but you know what I'd rather have 30,000 really good authentic followers than just a bunch of us So, you know, it's not too tough to get followers these days It's just you know, it's tough to get like real legitimate, you know a good dedicated audience and I think I got that so Yeah, exactly You know, thanks for for helping me out there with that. That's really good One thing I got going on locally here is I everybody anybody knows me But I live in the Washoe Basin really kind of near nearby Reno Yes, we are surrounded by forest fires right now the Tahoe Reno area is just Blanketed in smoke right now and I have I literally have my house like pretty much just buttoned up And I'm just relying on my air filters in my air conditioning to keep the smoke out right now I mean, it's so bad I don't even want to let the dogs out because it is just on it's dangerous. It's not even unhealthy. It's just dangerous and A lot of people don't know this about me, but if something like this happens I'm on a list to call to go help do volunteer fire firefighting. That's so Basically what that means is I go and dig dig fire lines It's not like I'm out there the other big hoses or show some shit like that It's just I just go out there and I help the guys out one when I have a chance to do so So I'm on a I'm on a list. I didn't think I was gonna be able to come in today because I thought maybe they were gonna help There's a fire. That's about gosh about 50 miles north of here. It's called the Perry fire and it's only about 45% contained They're talking about getting it contained by Monday That is if the winds don't change So a lot of shit can change and it gets a little weird and when it comes to when when fires get really close to the Tahoe area That's when everybody sort of pitches in and comes out. So So that's something that I might might not be doing in the very near future Any update on your fourth book some people have been asking if it'll be yeah I'm still I'm actually I got a few updates on a few other things here, too But yeah, the fourth book is still coming along nicely Again, I've got a lot of guys helping me with it So it's it's actually going a lot going along a lot smoother because this is the first book that I've I kind of can't rely on Old posts on my blog to sort of embellish my books. I'm writing this from scratch So this is just like a all of it will be new original material with the exception of maybe like a couple of things that I've written in the past So It's really a collaborative effort. I've got a lot of guys from like different religions who are tell you know want to tell Me you what the state of their religion is at at this point So it's very easy to get information from Muslim guys and evangelical Christians and Catholics right now, but I also have Mormons. I've also got Jews. I've got Some Buddhists. I've got some Hindu guys a lot of guys in India are beginning to sort of just help me with that So if there is some sort of religious story that you have that is red pill related I'm just gonna throw this out there hit me up in my DMs or just get me on RT rational mail at Gmail.com and just let me know what your story is I might include it it might be might be something that makes the book But that's what I think the beauty is of the manuscripts We all you know aggregate our experiences together and we we produce something. That's really great It's really nice. We have two thousand viewers on the red man group Twitter right now watching the Wow, very nice Yes, well with that Anyways, I also want to make a sort of a broadcast here as well is Sam Boda is now done with the audio for book three and we are in this the stages of editing it and Recording the parts that need to get re-recorded, but I would say probably within the next couple of weeks It will be with my my sound producer. It's guy named Peter Raefelsen. He's the guy that's done all of my books I would say by the end of this month. We'll have book three on audio. Sweet Yeah, people asked about that a lot too. So nice Ryan you were fashionably late. We got going on buddy We're joking if you're at Zumba today or what do you have going on? Just a spot nice Saturday thing So for what's going on right now two big things American Winner just put the podcast out So I'll have links on my Twitter there for you guys if you want to hear it's got a little bit of backstory It's nice Alex the guy running the thing is just kind of started his red pill journey and then me who he says is further along Very big ego boost. He called me the fourth R which I'm flattered, but I don't know how I'm gonna beat Roosh Um Second thing on the go then is I never pronounce his name, right? It's like live AF TOS just released out the second of five videos on manipulation. He's looking on doing some RSA anime style videos on That as well as the iron rules with Massey, so I'll have links for that too. Check it out Very interesting then beyond that. It's just getting ready for 21 convention. So pass it off to whoever's next nice Carl Donovan Well, I'll go first. Well, I'm on vacation So I haven't really done much in the past week or so because this is the first time I've taken a vacation Well a real vacation in quite a long time, but I couldn't pass up doing this red man group thing And I've also been fucking around with the tinder a lot after hearing what Anthony's been doing on there I just have to try it out for myself because I was always more of a day game guy but they gave me starting to become massive time sink that I just don't have time for and In regular fashion, I have what has been said as a perfectionistic traits and a bit of OCD so I will Get completely into something and just work my ass off to try and improve it So I've been just putting all my various photos through a photo feeler doing new photos, etc And the thing that keeps coming back, which I think confirms a fun manasphere thing is that Any photo that comes out in the top 10 20% of attractiveness automatically, they think you're a sociopathic dumb guy Wow All right Well, I'll bring some blog posts on based on that because I think a lot of this data is kind of fun to fuck around with Yeah Donovan, what's new with you? Yeah, man, I had a had a great week of shows this week. I talked about the urban Meyer Mess up in Columbus, Ohio You guys know all about I mean you can just Google urban Meyer Basically because he knew about domestic violence alleged domestic violence. He is now probably gonna be out of a job I Talked about the reasons why you should never get back with an ex-girlfriend why women are loyal more loyal to abusive men than men who are not I also talked about the the fact that women help each other cheat these days and have been for quite a while and the fact that men Need to sort of be hip to the script on that I actually went to old school a little bit and talked about Aaron Hernandez a little bit of course urban Meyer Coached Aaron Hernandez back to the University of Florida and I talked about what the media didn't tell you about the whole Aaron Hernandez tragedy You can definitely go to my website donovancharp.com and I'll I'll certainly let you know that no I'm certainly not absolving Aaron Hernandez of being a cold-blooded, you know alleged serial killer But the media left out his mother's His mother's responsibility But not his mother's responsibility, but his mother or his terrible mother's impact on his life I talked about Mia Khalifa putting Chad Kelly on blast a couple years back and her not Recognizing her own sexual market values a porn star. She said hey Chad Kelly. You're out of my league You shouldn't be hollering at me and I'm like bitch you're a fucking porn star like nobody is out of your league An interesting episode I did is why you should never believe women Why you should never believe what a woman says even if she's telling the truth I was a very interesting episode and of course I am putting the finishing touches on the Donovan sharp mobile app there's the there's the beta version there if If things continue to progress like they have been it's gonna be released on Monday August 13th Where you can watch my show live on the mobile app on the iOS? Apple iPhone You know Windows phone Android etc. Etc. So yeah doing doing some big things working on my 21 convention speech and just continue to progress, man nice nice Tex, what's up in actually Kind of like Carl and getting ready for vacation I've got my boat finally got fixed and it's ready to be picked up Which means I am now about to start a two-week vacation down on the coast and see how many fish I can catch which is Always a lot of fun, but since the last red man group I have I made I threw that offer out there about talking about the dominant submission stuff at the end like when I go to 21 and I got hit up with a bunch of emails since that which is kind of cool I love talking about the subject and of course I really like helping any other man that actually looks is asking for help like everybody on this panel So it's been really rewarding the last couple of weeks doing the email thing back and forth with a bunch of people Badass yeah speaking of fishing that we should all go mean roller went, you know, while back in Florida That's a long ago. Yeah, I've been fishing I already bought my my tickets for my flight out to the 21 convention And I'm definitely making time for like an extra almost an extra week just so it can go do shit By the way Rollo by the way Rolla not to not to cut you off I want to go back to the whole wildfires thing Yeah, I lived in Reno for a year and I remember the summertime there like every week there seem to be Especially because I mean you guys are up there near Northern, California, but it's hot I mean obviously it's hot and dry. It's the desert man Basically somebody flicks a cigarette and you know, you've got 200,000 acres being burned. So I'm I'm certainly I'm certainly well aware of that man. That's something I don't miss about You know, it's funny to say it's not here. There's the Perry fire, which is north of us But there's some there's a fire in Yosemite right now. Actually, I think there's two in Yosemite There's some more. There's the redding fire, which I think is out now I'm not sure but the redding fire and Combined with another fire and it got so large that it started creating its own weather system And I don't have a I can't really look at links up right now But there is a there's video of what's called a firegale. It's a tornado of fire that that developed around ready Damn pretty crazy Well guys, let's hit some before we take collars later on the show Let's hit some news items relevant to the red pill in the man's fear that came out in the past couple days One of them that I thought was particularly What's all president Trump tweeting retweet yesterday from drudge? There's a new editor a young Asian American woman working at the New York Times and their editorial board Sarah Gion or something like that. I don't know how to say the last name. I have no idea to be honest But she she's been seen on Twitter over the recent years 2014 2015 stuff like that She has tweets that say kill all men Cancel all white people if we killed all the bad men only the bad men that would still be all the men lots of very Explicitly, you know miss andrick type comments Which is kind of which is a for me It's very interesting because I've you know in my speech at the convention last year I called feminism the ultimate hate supremacist movement and here we have the New York Times proudly hiring this Asian American woman Who is openly advocating for gender side kidding or not or any combination of two? It's pretty sick stuff. So I want to kind of hit on that and see what you guys think about Surprise the New York Times hiring a woman who quite literally and explicitly hates men with a passion Floor is open to ever what kind of when it's a jump on that and I'm real quick. I think it's it's it's it's interesting I don't know what this phenomenon is called. I'm sure dr. Shawn T Smith could probably Could probably do that but people are very envious. They are outwardly. They outwardly hate what they can't have a Lot of guys who are blue pill, you know, the the in cells the lower level make town guys They always make fun of the fact that men are masculine. Oh, you know, don't get emotional You that that's not very masculine or oh look at your big muscles. You work out You just work out for the pussy dude. Seriously. Come on. Like you're you're being transparent. We were talking about fake tits earlier You know off the air. Oh, you know girls are like, oh my gosh. Yes fake tits. Yes, sweetheart And you wish you had them. That's why you make fun of it because you can't have them So this woman is obviously been slighted jilted by multiple. She's an Asian woman So of course her preference is white men She's probably raised in America and white guys are at the top of the sexual food chain in terms in terms of attraction arousal That's a whole other podcast But when women can't have something they hate against it This is one of the reason this is really one of the reasons why feminism Third-way feminism has taken hold in the first place. You got all these fat green-haired tattoo chicks talking about oh down with men Really if they wanted to fuck you would be would you be down with them then really so when you're taking a fat guy back To you know get your fat-ass fuck, you know bang the fuck out. Are you talking about down with them? And no they hate men that they can't have women hate women women hate hot women because they want to be hot That's all this is to me. This is just projection. She can't have the men she wants so she wants them all killed It's I think she I think this what it's funny. You should say that yes I've seen pictures of her and of her boyfriend I don't know if they're married or if it's a boyfriend, but if you look at the guy He is exactly the kind of guy you would expect to be with this You know super I mean I can tell that she is the product of this This academic You know millhouse that grinds these grinds these chicks out Why the New York Times decided that they wanted to bring this person on you know it only shows you where they're I mean I can talk about this in a in a political sense or I can talk about this in a gender sense But I think that the New York Times really tells you what they're there You know ideological bias is by who they hire and how they present stories I mean just last week we were talking about the New York Times story that I was quoted in for Was it sperm sperm count was was low and I got into it with the writer I'm just saying look I know this was a great fucking story But it was delivered as if we were going to Ridicule men or was the typical way of doing this and it makes me wonder if that story wasn't passed through this Editor because she was telling me that you know I write the stories But I don't have the control over the editing and I don't have the control over how they're going to present this And so of course how are they going to present it? They're gonna be like all the men are little whiny babies because their sperm count is low well if there's an opportunity for This kind of person to ridicule med it's always going to happen and I think it was Harteased or Royce who's always called the New York Times the New York Beta Times and Was always was he was always picking fun at them and always picking apart their stories because it's so easy to do They've had this bias for a very very long time, but the woman herself is One more representative of this This diploma mill where the only point for Teaching these kids is so that they'll go out and be representatives of this ideology even I think it was Jordan Peterson was saying that that is what their function is that is what these teachers are Function is and you cannot find a conservative teacher in academia today. It just simply doesn't exist and the expressed purposes of These teachers is to create students who will become people who are protesters who are out there You know spouting off the canons so the same kind of hatred, which is what this is This is hatred now. Remember this also comes on the heels of that one Teacher and I think it was Northwestern University or something who was saying is it okay to hate men or it's okay now To hate men that was the title of the of the piece and so When people say well Anthony in the 21 convention when he talks about you know feminism as a hate movement He's just being reactionary or that's that's really dangerous thinking or maybe these guys are like just gender fascist The jig is up that's why they call it dangerous because they can't get away with it anymore I mean it's if you go and you take what if you go and you take the most I mean the what was it the The the speech that you gave The the the keystone speech or whatever it was the future is massive Yeah, yeah features that one if you take that and you go and you present that to To these people they're going to tear it apart as if it's some you know horrible neo-nazi red pill guys coming together And and turning men against women. Well, that's that's not okay But it's okay if a woman goes in keeps her job after she says, you know kill all white men No, she's or kill all men. Yeah, kill all men. She talked about she talked about brothers too. Yes It's not hard to find her tweets But I think it's really interesting if you take if you take something like that or if you take this other guy Who was the director was a Peter Gunn or something guns? James Gunn you look at his his pedophilia tweets or his pedophilia jokes We're gonna go give them a pass But we would never give a pass to to someone like, you know, like if Roseanne goes out there and says something that's off-color We're never gonna leave as long as you're towing that that particular ideological line We're not gonna give you the pass but we're gonna go ahead and give the of these other people a pass and I think that it's important that we call this shit out for what it is because that's what feminism is it's a hate movement and here you have a Protester here you have the result of this academia that has created these people to enforce feminism and enforce the feminine imperative and to enforce this militaristic aspect of Feminism I'm gonna say that I I'm of the opinion here that feminism has never been through waves People want to say well, you know first way feminism was okay because it got women the right to vote and and they were treated as you know Equals and also bullshit if you go and you look at the the history of feminism from from Seneca Falls in a what the mid 1800s to where we are now it is the same Movement it is the same hate movement is always been it's just that we want to we want to Cut it up into waves and say this wave was okay and this wave was not okay, and this wave is really hella, you know material or Touristic no it has always been that way, and I can show you stories and news features from back in the like what the Midnight, you know the night turn of the century where they're bombing churches these feminine though the suffragettes who we say Oh the suffragettes yay for us, you know women's history month bullshit They bomb churches they I mean there's there's a whole list of crimes that these that these women went through to you know Make their you know state their case and really it came down to one man one guy whose mother told him vote for the suffragettes in the house so that they could pass the vote to get the vote for women It was one beta guy who got a letter from it and I could show you that I could show you the link to this The very famous case was it was split and there was one guy who was the deciding vote And the deciding vote was one that beta guy who got a letter from his mom and he did what mommy told him to do Oh God yeah Carl you wanted to hop in on this Actually did a very good segway because feminism and Marxism are really closely aligned and what I wanted to point out is The creation of an in-group and out-group is very common with any form of totalitarian Ideology, you know you had Nazis and Jews you had the communists You have the proletariat and the bourgeois and by creating this outgroup You're saying that you can do whatever you want against to this outgroup and that's okay But if someone in the outgroup does the same thing to you that's wrong and one of the things that's been kind of Getting on my nerves in my Twitter feed are these people who are obsessively pointing out well Look the left is doing exactly the thing they chastise this person for and this person for and this person for and yeah That's how it works. It's okay when they do it It's not okay when the other side does it and that's very classic and my girl is that with the History of feminism starting with bomb in churches communism was much the same way when it developed I mean it started with we want labor rights. We want fair wages. We don't want six-year-old children working seven days a week 12 hours a day deep in coal mines and there were a lot of good things packaged in with it But along with that came the constant need for control and surveillance and Any form of thought crime and show trials and all these other negative things that were required to kind of keep the Let's say less insane parts of the ideology linked up with the completely insane parts of the ideology and That's kind of where we are now with feminism. They've reached the apex of insanity where oh, there's no such thing as Mass-objective truth empiricism is a construct of the white male patriarchy Gravity is just a social construct that was invented to keep women from swarming to the heights They were always intended to have and you get this comedic exaggeration where They lose track just because most people see okay, you know We were with you when you were on political rights and economic rights and you know social rights We can't really agree with you that we need to nullify gravity so that we can get through the glass ceiling I mean we have to kind of cut the line and that's where feminism is going to kill itself because they've actually put themselves in a fun catch 22 Because if you say that there is such a thing as a transgender That meaning a woman a female mind or a male mind that was born in the wrong body Then you have to admit that there is such a thing as a female mind and a male mind biologically If you accept that fact then all the egalitarian equalism that feminism is based on that Oh, there is no difference between the sexes. It's all social constructs. You cannot hold both of those possessions You can hold one of them not both I just see the I see New York Times is doubling down I mean, it's like it's classic what Trump's been doing right Trump's does something outrageous Everybody yells out and he doubles down even more, right? So there's this whole battle going on between the you know Trump and the fake media and all that kind of stuff and New York Times is right in the middle of it In fact, I'm getting promoted tweets from them all through my Twitter feed I had to eventually just block it because it was such garbage, but all they're doing is doubling down and Carl's right. I mean they're literally gonna double the down themselves the whole feminist agenda out of existence It's coming. Yeah, the New York Times at this point has gotten bed with essentially anderside or gender side Like this woman is openly advocating for killing all men Ryan can you guys comment a little bit if you can on just the arrogance the entitlement for a woman to act like this in public They openly advocate for the death of millions of millions of men like that Daddy issues I'm not gonna lie the whole I gotta get it the feminism is a hate movement thing, but I don't think it's a thing I think it's a vessel Nobody gives it like feminists don't give a shit about feminism and the abstract I think they give a shit that a nagging middle-aged woman gets a veneer of credibility as well as that girl whose dad didn't buy her that pony She wanted and that's why oh no when you look at it look at the feminine symbols you see for feminists What did she do? She cut her hair and like a mow from the Stooges haircut rainbow colored Anything you can to make you look less It's like you can't fire me I quit you think I'm not a 10 out of 10 Well, I'll be a 3 out of 10 that'll show you and it's just they don't and then when you see this specific issue Do you guys know who Trey Gowdy is? Yeah, yeah, yeah So I remember he had this video where there was this liberal professor on there and he kept just reading back all this same stupid shit like hate all white men and He had to admit like he was just doing it to fit in with his peer group And they kept having this one-upmanship and that's where they're at now So I think what you got here is a validation seeking girl with daddy issues Trying to fit in with some peer group by one-upping them by saying how much she hates white men I don't think she gives a shit. She clearly has doesn't have a problem fucking them So I don't think she really does hate them I just think it's edgy and she gets to show how she fits in and you see examples of that everywhere Remember Lacey Green? There's a feminist until she got until she got a nice guy in her bedroom and now all of a sudden she's like Maybe we shouldn't eat all men because I kind of like this one. Yeah, she's full and it's real quick Yeah, yeah, and then even Lauren Southern. I know there's that alt-right meme where she was dating black guys They dumped her and now she's very alt-right So even if it's not believe like it's believable even if it's not true So everybody kind of knows this but nobody really says it the emperor has no clothes So yeah, this whole thing. I think it's just society-wide daddy issues personified And then you add to that that whole tit-for-tat strategy that people have now with doxing people who say mean things on twitter And you get a force amplifier for it. And that's why we're in this shit storm. We're at now I think and then for a practical level for a red pill man The best strategy is don't howl at the moon like They're not going to change her So all you're doing is looking angry and painting her as the victim for the angry guy on the internet yelling at her Plus nobody really cares I mean how many of you guys are going to look at the new york times and like well now I'm not going to read it like were you reading it before were you really like is this the one thing that ruined the The historic record of the public interest No, they're just like tech says man. Let them flounder They're going to double down do the box days social justice warriors always lie roadmap and it's just like buy the numbers at this point Just laughs back and they're good punching bag. Yeah Donovan did you happen on this too? Yeah, um just to add to what ryan said um Yeah, I mean, I don't know and i'm not a psychologist or anything I'm just going back to what I said people people pretend to hate what they can't have Oh, what's you driving a Lamborghini for? No, dude, like if you live somebody gave you when you drive it As far as you know, oh kill all white men or kill all men dude I'll take that dude seriously They can talk all that shit only wants you that just never gonna happen because if somebody were to snap Dude, if somebody would have snapped their fingers And make all men disappear at women would find something else to bitch about um also um All these alt right girls kind of like uh lauren southern Um, I never took her seriously to me to me. She was just an attention horror who tried to jump on You know, she tried to jump on the train They found out she was fucking niggas and they said all right. Well, you got to go right? So that I mean listen, man, um, I remember there was one there was I forget where this was Maybe she was in europe, but I think she was running for all I don't I forget what it was But they found out they knew she was a porn star But when they found out she was fucking black guys on camera. They like disavowed her I thought that was pretty funny, but these alt right girls like maga kind of like like, you know, lauren southern Actually kitten holiday is sort of like a a very very very poor man's lauren southern They don't really believe that and it's funny. You listen to lauren southern's videos. That doesn't come from her mind She doesn't have that kind of brain. She's not that smart It's just it's just like uh, it was either tex or carl just pointed out the female mind is very different from the male mind I just watched a movie yesterday, uh called rampage And it's it's so funny Like it's this brother and this sister genetically engineering monsters or whatever and it was a complete role reversal The sister was completely measured. She was logical and reasonable, but the brother was like, ah, what do we do? I'm like, dude, you've got to be like I had to turn to devin and say look man Like this obviously isn't the way it is and that's why people think that that that's what this is So anyone who takes women like lauren southern, I think there are a couple of other old, you know, uh Right wing. No, I don't buy into any of that nonsense. They're not They're doing they're doing what they have to do to get their name out there And it should also come as no surprise that most all of these girls are attractive. Fox news doesn't hire ugly chicks Right, it just doesn't it just doesn't work that way So if you're a good-looking woman and you happen to be blonde or brunette or whatever the case may be And you're make america great again donald trump all of a sudden they want to give you youtube Get the fuck out of here. You don't you believe whatever the strongest men believe right now The strongest men are more conservative. That's And not to drone on here, but but these but these women like lauren southern They think that men follow them for their cerebral brawn. No, dude people watch your videos because they want to fuck you It's just like the girl thinking well, he wants to fuck me. So of course he wants my opinion on astrophysics No, we don't we want your opinion on your tits. How well do you suck dick? Right? Do you take it in the ass? That's really what we're interested in. So while we're chatting on Yeah, lauren you tell him no no, we are not really listening to you We are imagining you on your knees me choking you with my dick That's what that's what we want out of you and now that now that like I said that she found out you that she was Fucking niggas. All right, we got to move on to the next one. Howdy just to let you know lauren I would never choke you with my dick I was just gonna say real quick is that I think it was was it there uh, uh, was it was he on andrew warski's Boy was in youtube blood sports. I think she was on there with ruche one time And ruche basically tried to make exactly the same case as what donovan is just trying to say right here and it led for some really interesting uh Interview I guess but that that was that I think I agree with that. I what I wanted to say real quick was that um We always talk about the blue pill we talk about guys being conditioned by the blue pill to you know be something Uh that is useful to the feminine imperative later on in life when they become young men or they really the blue pill conditioning is to place Women as your mental point of origin if there's one purpose of the blue pill conditioning from from guys when they're Or little boys when they're from five years old all the way up until they you know get to be about 18 It's to make Women they're they're all you know, please mommy. Please the girl Please you know woman kind and they they're like I've said in a million different In a million different ways that we we treat Or we raise boys as if they're defective girls these days I think it's also important to understand that the women that we're seeing today such as this, you know fuchsia haired Woman who is now the you know editor of the new york times. We're seeing a generation of of kids that are coming into Uh the public sphere right now who have been conditioned themselves Uh feminism conditions women just in the same way that blue pill can the blue pill conditions men Okay, it conditions these women to be something that they think society is going to expect of them once they get out of college And they get out of their safe spaces And they they get into a position of authority, which is where this woman is right now in a sense With the the new york times. She is essentially Directing the voice of the new york times. She is going to create the color of all of the you know, the editorials that come out of the new york times and What we're looking at is we're looking at the A generation of kids of children really children who were raised And conditioned in a way to believe that society needs them to be that however that however they are And this is a woman who believes that she's doing the right thing by saying we need to kill all kill all men We need to have some sort of gender You know purification of some sort so we can put women in charge and men can finally be Uh the slaves that we really need them to be I've always said that feminism is has never been about equality And here you have it in black and white I've always said that feminism has been about Retribution and restitution and it's been about retribution and restitution for Past wrongs that they believe that they are Have inherited or that is their their birthright as a woman to have that restitution and to have that retribution And here we have a woman who is following along with that same narrative that's been around since like I said, senator Falls so anyways, that's what I want and what's interesting is that you know as a as an asian american woman She's probably one of the most overprivileged organisms to ever walk the face of the earth overprivileged over protected She psychologically in my opinion feels like she's invincible I mean think about what it takes to go out in public and say you want to kill half the human race And you're just like maybe you think that's cool and normal and it's like signaling like How many in cells tried that they got what maybe four or five like it's hard. It's really ballsy man. She's shooting for the moon Carl you want to hop in? Yeah, I just wanted to touch on something ryan said about the social media force multiplier Now i'm not sure how many of you has spent a lot of time in small towns through the years But there's always like the town crank in every fucking town you go to there's like one woman or one man There's like the craziest person in town Now let's say this makes up like one percent of the population That's give or take 200 Two two and a half to three and a half million people and they all got twitter accounts And they all have social media accounts and some of them are hot women because hot women They get away with being crazy a lot more than anyone else So what's going to happen is they have a bunch of thirsty instagram followers and twitter followers So when they say something completely insane, you suddenly have you know one out of One percent of the population say something completely insane and you have 35 percent of the population who wants to fuck them So they retweet and like and vote everything this up And you know no wonder that these women feel like they are invincible because they've been in this echo chamber of You're fantastic their whole life and then they go on social media and they get it even more So you take someone who has narcissistic inclinations to begin with You raised them telling them that they should have self esteem They should never feel shame and that they're entitled to the world Then they go out into the world and they get a claim for basically doing nothing it's like They get a claim for not getting fat and that's not really a difficult thing to do And I don't wonder that these people are insane and then they can go to the most privileged institutions in the world and they get Quoted into powerful positions like editors in the media and they keep doing the same thing and they have the same thirsty beta supporting them and In the end everything is going to come crashing down But as syrian is fond of saying, you know the market can stay on the rational longer than you can stay solvent Yeah, I think we're at the point where uh, women who call out, you know for the death of all men they're getting a participation trophy and uh, you know in the hate in their little circle Which is just insane. It's you're getting a trophy now for just, you know rampant hatred and supremacism and bigotry like that Well, that's Social signaling. It's what we do when like when you wear your manga hat That's a social signal to people who share your beliefs When you open carry that's a signal to people when down and when where is this handcuff necklace in public? That's a signal and it's the same thing with kill all white men and you know down with the white sys male Patriarchy, etc. It's just a signal to get credit for holding the right opinions Yeah Yeah, I do it to trigger women and peacock basically. This is a great peacocking. Oh, hold on Hold on. Let me see right here. Jones are 227. All right. I'm gonna block you and ban you That means you can participate in the show only if you call Listen, man, you guys know how I roll. I gotta I got a hot temper For whatever reason, I can't stay away from these fucking internet trolls. It's a weakness of mine I'm gonna own it but anybody can talk shit in the chat This motherfucker is all clever and you sent to me Okay, you son of a bitch if you have so much to say fucking call the show, but you are blocked That's the end of it Let's move on topics as well here. So briefly before we get into maybe callers and some other issues Oh, we wanted to get into though Well, we'll give it to a vote Do you guys want to hit the Angelina Jolie thing or do you want to jump right to the family matters that we discussed as a show topic? We're uh, we're it's 1255 right now. It's about 40 minutes in the show. Yeah, we're gonna want to take call We're gonna want to take calls too. So All right, I'll go ahead and let's skip Angelina. She her lawyer fired her they're quick because she's so crazy No matter how hot she is someone's tired of her Exactly Before we get into callers guys the topic of today's show the carl suggested that everyone is uh pretty on board with No, we're not ready for that yet donovan night yet So the topic today's show actually is the family crab bucket. So basically, uh, finding game finding the red pill and changing your life and changing who you are Personal change in improvement Uh, what that's like with with family members who want to drag you back down like crabs in a bucket Family members even friends. Um, I think everyone here has probably felt some level of this or experienced it So i'm not sure how we can kick this off But I think it's a big topic that I've seen discussed since the beginning of my day is in the poa community 12 years ago Yeah, talk about your experiences anthony. Yeah Yeah, my family has never been uh, they never got super involved in convention my older sister She's been the one most consistently attending and stuff like that. Why do you guys met her last year? A couple you did roll and ryan Um, so I've never really got any opposition from immediate family members Uh, but mostly it's been like close friends and stuff that were skeptical of you know What I was doing on a personal level, but then also with the business Is it going to work out? Is it not, you know, I dropped out of college after going there for four years at ucf so yeah, I've gotten pushback from stuff like that and I guess my own personality like the way I grew up is uh very stubborn very bullheaded So I was always able to just kind of barrel through whatever resistance I got and at the end of the day It's like look you're going to go with you're going to be okay with this So you're going to get the fucking a boot out of my life. It's that simple Um, so I was fortunate to be raised uh in whatever way with that kind of cutthroat mentality Like I believe in this it's true. It's important to me. I'm going to do it And you're either going to kind of go with it or you're going to get out of my life This is not a I don't give an option even to people close to me If I believe it's true and it's important to me and the game and the red pill are Really good examples of that And that have both massively improved my life. Uh since finding it, you know, my late teens I can't imagine like I said on twitter the other day. Uh, you can't even put a price tag and red pill awareness Because throughout your life if you're heterosexual you're going to act with women and sooner or later you're going to get Uh, you know a serious problem. I think if you don't have red pill awareness Or in most cases that can be divorce rape. Obviously diseases unplanned pregnancies crazy bitches are a really good example That statistically you're going to run into sooner or later a lot of them So, you know, we uh have been married about 30 years now, which makes me a Outlier almost as much as a roller on this thing but um, I think The family saw us change and they didn't like it. I mean, it certainly didn't like it And my red pill awareness came about about the same time as we Got into our dominance and submission and and basically her taking on the feminine role and me taking on the masculine role having a But the the bottom line is I mean we'll be at family events and she will come and make sure my glass is not empty She will sit at my feet and serve me and do things that make her happy And of course it feeds me as well and her sisters are just flipping out when she does this kind of thing And they they talk shit about her a little bit and of course my brother-in-law is looking at me like How big is your dick and how did you get it to do that? Yeah, but you know, they're all jealous, of course, too. Absolutely. Absolutely, right again people hate on what they can't have Right. Her your her sister's hate on her because they wish they had a man worthy to serve They wish that they could could give themselves permission to be subservient one article I wrote for attorney kings. I don't know three four years ago called three unintended consequences of taking the red pill And one of those consequences is that your social circle is going to shrink your friends and your family members are not going They're they're either going to be drawn Closer to you because they see the change in you and it makes sense to them On a fundamental level or they're going to separate themselves from you And one thing that I get a lot from the black community when I talk about the fact that I just will not date black women anymore Is yo mama black your sister's black. Well, I'm not trying to fuck my mom my aunt or my sisters Okay, so that that flashes that right out of the water But part of being red pill aware is acknowledging Truths about the sexual marketplace even when they apply to your own family I love my mother and I love my sisters guys each and every one of those people have had abortions Why because they had unprotected sex with people they had no business having unprotected sex with sex with right My mom and sisters were acting like hoes Okay, love my mom love my sisters But that doesn't mean I cannot compartmentalize who and what they really are as people Just because they happen to be related to me doesn't mean Doesn't mean i'm not going to formulate my own accurate opinion in terms of who and what they are as people And when they see when your family members see you living this kind of life They'll send my sister's like I support you as long as you're not talking shit about black women Well, I guess you're just not going to support me, right? I'm always going to love her She's always going to love me, but that's just how it is. So Unfortunately for me. I come from a pretty a pretty good family I do this One of my brothers is a professional chef He's a sous chef at a at a michelin star restaurant Another brother of mine is a high school principal One of my sisters owns a cake business and one of my and my other sister is about to open up a brick and mortar store Selling selling purses and fashion designs like we're highly successful people So fortunately for me I don't have any of them, you know trying to pull me down into the crab bucket But when they find out what I do and what I talk about And you know, they they tend to stay away from the subject So if you take the red pill and this is part of what i'm going to talk about at the 21 convention You got to be prepared because you're a lot of your friends and family members are not going to like what you're up to They're just not going to like it. So be prepared for that. You know, carl before you go I should mention that ed latimore is considering doing a talk on how to approach family members and close friends about red pill issues Wow, i'm in on that I don't know if he's going to do but he said that was one of the uh, one of the few topics he had in mind That and uh, I think a talk on relationships, maybe So yeah, carl will happen. Yeah, you know to give my background on this I come from kind of a weird family because half the family are more or less have to go lucky hippies And the other half are kind of hardcore Overachievers and everything but they're also very conservative and very very religious So I get the same behavior from two sides because to hit these they come with the oh, this isn't you just be yourself Just, you know, the universe will fix anything and the other side is like, okay We support this achievement orientation and going after what you want, but we're not really happy about your moral standing I mean i've been told that i'm going to hell so many times that i'm just saying Hey, you know what maybe we are we'll say hi to see when we get down there now. Fuck off Well hell seems a lot more fun. Anyway, I mean all those more people That's a good idea to get a free tan be nice No, so I get the whole thing from two angles and the whole reason why I wanted to deal with this Is the topic was I started to look at and over mr. Nice guy again and I read that book years ago And I kind of see it as the weed of the red pill because you read no more mr. Nice guy and that kind of sends you down the rabbit hole because I The four major chapters in the books are make your own needs a priority learn to please yourself Reclaim your personal power and reclaim your masculinity and all these Things lead a guy to change from being you know More or less a whip the whip step child of his family because a lot of the guys that come to the red pill They're not the typical always alpha work and he's beta at home. Now this guy is a beta everywhere at best So he's the kind of guy he's dependent on praise. He's dependent on approval He's a pushover. He doesn't have boundaries. He enables everyone around him and all this comes out of his end So he's very nice to have for his family because this guy's going to do everything for them and not demand anything back So when this guy stops doing shit to get approval, he starts having boundaries He starts being direct. Everyone is going to be like, why did he stop enabling me and Doing all the stuff I want him to do and start doing things that make him happy This doesn't make me happy And then all the tactics come out and Cortez tweeted this amazing thing the other night a friend of the show Mr. McShreddit himself He tweeted people support you in the beginning People see you're being consistent people realize you're really doing it People turn negative guilt trip you and try to sabotage you because everyone likes having someone they can beat up on No one likes seeing the fat guy Suddenly being better shape than them or the broke guy suddenly being having more money than them or the guy who never got late getting laid more than them because the Lowest person on the totem pole is always nice to have there because it's like it's like why all hot girls have fat friends Because even if they put on a few pounds they still look great next to their fat friend Oh, shit I gotta mention, uh, I don't know if you guys know this but my older sister about a year and a half ago She adopted the principles from the convention for eating and uh, you know health and lifestyle She lost 40 pounds in a matter of like four months without working out one time What? So she got a lot of pushback from her friends skepticism. They're like, oh, she must be doing crazy drugs or something So even even my little sister criticized her for losing, uh, too much weight And uh, which is when all the sisters are overweight. So, you know, I guess there's some sort of company girls never shame women for losing weight It's only the fat girls. Oh my god. You're losing too much weight. Maybe a swizzle a swizzle stick It really was ridiculous though because uh, you know, my older sister now is in great shape Like she's a healthy, you know lean body and she's you know, she's loving it Her whole life got a lot better because of it. But yeah, you see it's it's uh, I've seen male friends Because it's the same thing though, you know, it's like we're talking about the red pill and in game Any kind of like major improvement or change it draws a lot of crabs that to uh drag you back down Yeah, you get things like you're gonna keep using women Dude, I'm gonna end up dude. I'm gonna die alone and he goddamn way The difference is is nobody's taking half my shit. So there you go It's more than that though if you think about it, um, even on the married red pill We have a bunch of guys and they all find their measures of success in their own way An example I can think of happened just last week one of my favorite posters there. He goes x attic bro He basically had a codependent wife. He was codependent. They had some problems He just turned himself into his own masculine center and just owned it He recently gave a story about some redneck yelling at his yelling at him over his kids in that and he wanted to fight But then he kind of you know, while I'm here with my kids They're not going to beat the crap out of this guy, which is great But then everybody shit on him and it's funny So even guys like you say yes, my mom my sisters the fat people don't like thin But it's even other successful people in their own way Still want you to reflect how they're doing it. So we got to remember we're telling everybody be these egotistical narcissistic masculine centers And then expecting us to all of a sudden get along because we both all did it's like the crab bucket It's going to be universal It's just gotta you just have to plow through that shit and realize that it's other people with their motivations And you just got to do your own thing Like they don't have to approve and I think it's a great lesson I wish more families and that weren't supportive of men because then you'll know when they're actually succeeding and not just larping When they when they truly understand that I am me and that's it like whatever is outside of this does not count This is too funny. This guy E. T. T. A. So Why don't you go in there, buddy? Well, we got to get roll on here too. Yeah phone lines will be open here in a bit Well, I was just gonna say I I take I as you can see I take those Yes, I am thank you All right, you know why because I make myself my own mental point of boom now, what Fucking special. All right. He says I'm not the one ranting against monogamy. Yeah, but you're the only you're the only one making an Ass out of yourself. So who's whoa? Whoa? Where would anybody talk about monogamy? Nobody said shit about that And we're not the same thing another no thanks. All right, perfect We're talking shit. You know that's I hey, thanks for giving us our next topic brother, you know Well, we'll talk about monogamy. We can talk about non-exclusiveness in another show, but thanks for giving us a topic. Goodbye um, what I was gonna say is Well, one of the things is I think that when a guy goes from being blue pill conditioned to reading the red pill Either my books or whoever's books or or you know gets involved in the community. Usually it's it comes after a traumatic experience I mean, we're it's no secret that guys have to hit rock bottom and get zeroed out before they start looking for something on on google to To say, you know, how do I get my girlfriend back or how do I? You know, how do I live a bit or how do I get chicks? You know that usually when people are looking for the red pill They're looking for some way to solve a problem for themselves And usually that problem is I want to get laid or I need a girlfriend or I need To figure out how I can get my wife to fuck me better, you know, or at all And so they start looking for that because they're already in a rough place. And so There's a process that guys have to go through To really unplug themselves. I I've tried to help. I've got a great series called the reconstruction I've tried to help these guys who are quote-unquote, uh, awakened well married And and that's In that I don't think it should just apply to married guys. It should apply to any guy really but There's a point where you have to decide that you are going to be the most important person in your life And you that's why I always stress mental point of origin because just as I was saying before Uh, you from the time you're like five years old The village teaches you that you should make women your mental point of origin that you should make woman kind You need to be a supportive guy You need to support the the the wants and the needs of women because women are are equals And we all should just get along really well But usually that equality comes comes at the servitude of the guy And so we always constantly say in the mountain in the atmosphere 80% of guys are blue pill 80% of guy and this is being generous 80% of guys are betas And those guys are taught to be servile until they get to a point where a woman has need for them And usually that's around her epiphany phase So you got a guy who for the better part of his life has been taught not to put himself as his mental point of origin But to think of others and to think of women and to be supportive and that can apply in a lot of different ways It could be well, you need to go help your respect your mother, you know or respect your sister or Maybe you're maybe it's from a religious perspective, you know We need to support the women in the church kind of thing And it's always at the expense of that guy You know make you know putting his needs off for the needs of someone else and thinking that in doing so he's going to In some way endear himself to women on whole now What happens is when these guys Read my stuff or they hit rock bottom or they get zeroed out and they find the red pill And they start to make themselves their mental point of origin That's when their families that's when they're friends That's when their social circle sees that change in them They see that change from going about how can I be this people pleaser to fuck you? I'm gonna I'm gonna please myself right and so what happens is Their friends see this and I I want to say it's uh in the 48 laws of power I believe it's number 17 where like people want to see this continual Unpredictable behavior in a guy and so one of the one of the keys to power is to be unpredictable and to shake shit up And to be I mean in some cases you can even inspire terror now. That's that's taking it to an extreme but when When people notice a change in your behavior and they notice the change in your outlook on life They're going to want to put you back into that that cage They want to put you into a category that they can easily understand because They don't want to have to put out the efforts to understand what you're going through because they don't give a fuck about you They don't they don't give a fuck about what you've gone through or that you've been zeroed out Or they might give you lip service and they might pat you on the back and say it's okay. Just be yourself And everything will be all right. Just be yourself And the right woman will come along just be yourself and you know, you're such a great guy You know, I I I wish the best for you and sooner or later You know the the fates are going to align and the right girl is going to be dropped in your lap from fucking heaven And you just got to have to be yourself and she has to want and guys will say this I don't want to be with the woman who doesn't want to be with who I am. Well, that's great You can do that but you need to do yeah, you need to be the best version of yourself that you can be to begin with Okay, that is that's yeah, I was gonna say that sells a lot of a lot of movie tickets to disney movies Okay, of course, but what I was gonna say is that in seeing that went though Your social circle, especially for beta guys sees you as a particular category They see you as an archetype. They see you as the people pleaser and when you say fuck that I don't want to be that anymore. I'm changing things up. What's the first thing they say? They say you're being somebody who you're not You're you're just oh those red pill guys you they got in your head and you're just trying to be somebody who you're not Why do they say that they say that because they want that a degree of control over you because they like to have that control In knowing that you're always going to be that same dude And this is one of the reasons I think we talked about this last week One of the reasons why I really get my fucking burr up when it comes to these guys promoting like uh archetypes or uh Was it meyers briggs meyers briggs? You know categories and shit like that is the reason they do that the reason that's popular the reason that's it's I mean That shit has been like completely disproven. No fucking no psychologist worth their fucking salt uses meyers briggs But it's because yeah because it's astrology. Why is it? Why is astrology? Uh popular it's popular Fits you into a category that people can predict if they can predict your behavior They can have a degree of control over you and move on And look at what we were just talking about a minute ago when women will uh, Especially with in the age of social media women will pat the other woman on the back This woman can be like 60 pounds over fucking weight and she puts on a new dress and what do her friends say? Oh, you look great You know and that's what that is is that's sort of it's a negative reinforcement It's reinforcing a negative because as long as they can keep you believing That you trying to do that and you not you not taking control over your eating or your your weight just like what uh, Anthony was saying about his sisters They will reinforce that they'll reinforce that. Do these women know that they're negatively reinforcing this? No, I would say definitely not. I think it's something that comes natural to women because that it's it's Oh, that looks cute. No, exactly It doesn't look cute. No guy's gonna go for you But they're gonna tell you that because they want to keep you in some sort of predictable controllable personality that they that they can own and I'll tell you right now Personality is not fucking static get that in your head if you're listening If you get one thing out of today's podcast personality is not static You can change things change for you and you can decide that you're gonna be somebody else And you you're not going to to to accept the You know the Accept the role that other people want to want to you put you into and you can change that Guys coming back from deployment who go through like live You know combat and they have PTSD You can bet your ass that those guys personalities is 100 different than it was when they went in there So don't tell me that oh You're a i n t j f you know b f f whatever the fuck it is Okay, when I when I see that and on somebody's twitter account I go that just just goes rubs me the wrong way because it just tells me that you're locked into this Astrology or locked into this idea that you fit into a category because I can tell you this also Is that guys who do that or guys who are part of that? They they feel comfortable in that they feel comfortable because it makes them think that Well, this is what I am and this is what I have to work with rather than Thinking outside the box and thinking in a way that they're going to be able to better themselves or become somebody different Like people always hit me up and they'll say well, I'm an introvert. I could never be red pill I could never spin plates bullshit. I could I I've I've worked with guys constantly who do exactly this They change things up for themselves. I get along best with girls that are im b j Yeah We co-habitate really nicely Tucks before you hop in let's I'd like to get carl on this hit some comments And I was curious about the economics of this too women, uh, you know, basically Poisoning the smp to make it easier to be lazy and overweight and ugly Carl will actually have something on this in my Female sexual strategies part two posts because I kind of went in with this anti beauty category And usually these are very very hot girls Who tell their friends? Oh beauty doesn't matter It's not important to be beautiful focus on your personality and you know You look great wearing that that you don't look like a good year bullet At all wearing that white pop puffy dress at 350 pounds. It looks fantastic on you honey No, no the blue eyeshadow doesn't make you look like me me from Drew Terry show at all and it's kind of this It's a way of killing off your own competition and women do this subconsciously I think because If you look at it this way who slut shame I've never met a man who slut shames anyone unless you know It was his girl who fucked someone else or his wife who fucked someone else because for a guy to go out and slut shame Someone well you wanted women to put out less but women slut shame the hell out of women were easy because That cheap and sex for all of them like if a guy can go out his house And he'll have eight women lined up to sleep with him this before he gets to the end of the driveway He's not going to be controlled by sex, but if guys know oh, I'm gonna have to put a ring on it to get laid Of course, they're going to do it and I think from another perspective just purely from economics is that We all have a finite amount of time and energy The more of other people's time and energy you can use to your end Better it is for you So if you have a guy who's a pushover who'll come over and help you fix your lawn And that'll take you half the time if you did it alone and he will never ask you to return the favor Of course, you're going to have that guy over every week doing your lawn Goes for goes without saying you get something for nothing Anytime you can get something for nothing you will do it most of the time But I want to definitely touch on something rolo said because I think it's very important that When you categorize yourself those things are not Deterministic, but they have a tendency of being it if you define yourself as an intro work You will tend to become even more of an intro word If you define yourself as not being smart or not being athletic or something like that That will cause you to become even less of it Like I never defined myself as athletic growing up and pretty athletic now because I decided that well, you know It's deliberate practice and putting energy into becoming good at it But I have to realize I have to become good at like my natural thing is to sit and read stuff for that type of thing I have to focus on you know, okay. I can't sit in my house reading all the time. I'll never get laid and I'll never make any money So you have to get to a point where you're like, okay, this is my normal Mode of being but well, I don't have to do this If you do that crawl you'll probably become a millionaire selling pickup ebooks You know, you know want to be pickup artists. So there's always that if you read a lot Become the ultimate keyboard jockey Keyboard gangster 101, uh, we should probably have to some uh callers on this issue. I was gonna say start the phones up All right Oh, shit, there's somebody's phone buzzin. All right, give me about three minutes guys. All right, okay For those of you watching live, uh, if you've had problems or questions about your family Clamping down on you for changing who you are or changing your life improving yourself. This would be a time to do it Give us a call and be happy to try to help you out With non legally binding advice Information purposes only I should I just as sort of as a while we're waiting for calls are just as a follow on here I've uh, I've actually counseled guys who have gone away Like maybe they were in the military and they've been gone away from their social circle for about Four or five years and like who they were before they went off to the military Was the impression that they left in that social circle and then when they come back They come back as different people now. Maybe that's for the better. Maybe it's for the worst But they come back as sort of You know change there's there's especially if you're in a social circle and you you sort of exit that social circle for You know a significant amount of time and then you come back people are expecting you to be that same guy again And then they find that they have a new opportunity like to to to You know impress people that they've changed a little bit or they're they're you know They've gone through some serious shit or they've you know, when guys get zeroed out It changes their personality. And so when they come back to that That social circle after going through that trauma or going through that experience that changed them I think it's important for guys to understand that that is when you're going to be tested I mean we talk about shit tests all the time but your social circle is going to test you and to you know Prod you and see if you're really changed or if you're just fronting because that's one of the things they You know, we always talk about uh, I talk about conventional masculinity and authentic masculinity and how society likes to Test that they like to because they want to redefine that they want to redefine masculinity in their little box And so anything that you could possibly put out there is inauthentic And it's a mask and it's some kind of like facade or some act that you're you're portraying And so we're always trying to determine whether somebody is authentic or if they're non authentic And they're just putting on an act and I think that's one of the things that throws a lot of guys off When they become red pill or they get into pickup artistry and they learn all of the techniques And they don't really learn anything deeper than just the techniques because They always tell me they say, you know, uh, I can't keep doing this because this is seems like an act Or it seems like I'm just trying to be somebody who I'm not rather than internalizing and understanding red pill Truths and making it part of who they are and part of their personality They they never really make you know cross that Abyss I guess that they have to internalize this stuff so that it becomes part of who they are And it becomes part of their like reflexive responses And people will always try to drag you back They will always try to get that control back over you and they will always try to push you back into Who you used to be so I think that's something that people really need Especially if you if you're just unplugged or you're just starting to get into this kind of stuff You got to understand that this is going to be a test This is going to be something they're going to say are you really who you say you are because it's my opinion that people We we are who we say we are it's it's our personnel We can change our personality whenever we want to do that It's just that you know acting it out and making that change in our heads and knowing that we need to make that change All that's just always going to be tested especially by your family because your family's known you the longest Yeah, what comes to mind too is that masculinity is very powerful It literally builds civilizations and empires and you know nations So it's it's in that sense in a red pill sense It's understandable why there's a desire to control it why they want to I mean in this case kill all men you know that other ship that Um, I mean with the you know the pickup days that may that would make a lot less sense I think to a purple pill guy or would have made a lot less sense to me, but nowadays it's like yeah, I get it It's horrible, but I understand why there's a desire to control it. It's powerful If it if it wasn't they wouldn't get shit. I think Yeah, I agree Yeah, I think the reason why and we'll get to the callers here in just a second I think the reason why Specifically women hate on red pill truth because they know that there is truth to it. They know And it's so funny they try to care because I think his eyes don't know what they're talking about blah blah blah blah really Is that why is that way you guys pay us so much attention? No, they know that we're telling the truth That's why they're trying to stop the message because they want they still want girls to be able to get new car prices for used car Pussy and that's just not the case anymore I think one of the things too the role of really open minds to is that uh, the red pill and his work and You know Carl's work and everyone's work in this community. It makes men so powerful that it puts them over the edge They're not just powerful to the point that they're still within a little bit of control They're I mean text isn't command of his marriage. He's in command of his relationship That doesn't mean his wife has to stay there. She's there by choice But he is the one who has the power and the control in that relationship and she likes that And I guess you know women are just fearful that or you know betas and stuff But that's that's unique like to pick up pick up artistry and learning game does not do that It makes you more powerful, but you're still until you accept the red pill and take it I don't think you're past that threshold You know you cannot cross that abyss or it's very difficult to do so without The community and stuff. I think there's definitely Go ahead. Go ahead. I bet no the most powerful thing I ever brought up or I'm not sure if I read it or if it was something I concluded or whatever, but You are always in control as long as you're willing to deal with the consequences because You don't have to stay at your job. You can punch your boss in the face Screw his wife in front of it on his desk and walk out. You're probably going to get to you know jail time for it But you can't do it if you're willing to deal with the consequences And a lot of this is building up your own ability to To tolerate those consequences because if your family is going to guilt-trip you or they're going to try and use shame bombs or They're going to have one of those triangulated. Hey, we need to sit down and talk type situations you just have to Tolerate that little bit of pain for all the pleasure you get in return And it's hard as the early on because you you're changing but you haven't gotten the results that make it worth it And you have to deal with the shit That feels very bad in the moment But it's worth it in the long run like first time you lift weights You're going to be sore for a week afterwards But then if you keep doing it the soreness diminishes and you get stronger and you get better looking So why not keep going? Or you can even associate the pain with the form of pleasure like this is good for me This is going to make my life better the more it hurts. Yeah, whatever you have to do Let's do let's do cause let's do it donovan You're muted donovan There we go. All right, cool. We got we got a few callers on the line Um, let's go ahead and hit the phones now. Pete in michigan. You are on live with the red man group What is your question? Hey, what's up guys? Can you hear me? Yes, sir All right, my question is really more about a day game Kind of what I think carl touched on the very first few minutes of the podcast Um, but how he says he like doesn't really have time for day game Um, I'm curious like I'm 24 and I work out four days a week and you know I'm in pretty good shape and I do day game. I approach daily. I normalized it So like I don't really have any anxiety doing it But the success rate with it is like really bad and I don't know if it's me or if it's just this hard That's how it works And it's like go ahead Yeah, no day game. It's hard dude. I've got everybody's got tons of rejections What's even the the best guys are talking like two to ten percent? Yeah, if that if that Once you start although like for some of these people you start building networks and as you get networks friends of friends of friends The stuff gets easier over time I find that day game is a nice little thing to do and it's great if you're traveling a lot But I mean eventually you're gonna want to leverage that into some social groups And then the extended friends are where that day game really starts to get the uh payoff you're looking for. That's my experience Anyway, I'll tell you this I think day game is much more difficult than night game is because during the day Women are not like women are taking care of other things That isn't to say that I mean dude I've gotten laid from day game all day long But it takes a lot more work because women aren't in that mode Believe it or not even though you go to a bar or a nightclub and it's a fucking sausage fest girls are much more receptive to Sexual escalation More so than if you hear at the coffee shop in the morning or at the grocery store trying to pick out beats or asparagus That that's my experience. Yeah, I was gonna say is that Depending on the domain that you choose and in my book Day game is a domain for game. Okay Two guys that I would say if you want to if you haven't already Picked them up would be uh nick krauser. He's really good at day game And then tom terero is another guy who's really good at day game There's some other guys too, but those are the guys I can think of off the top of my head um And I was gonna say is that you one of the things I think that guys particularly if you're if you're dating and you're in the Pickup artistry and stuff don't get domain dependent So if you're in the day game great, and if it works for you great I would also say that day game is probably far more difficult than any other form of game Because you're just you're basically doing cold calls is what you're doing You're just seeing a chick that you like on the street and you're gonna go out things You know What's it called a yad stop or something like that? I can't remember how the how they But uh, I would say that um Mix it up a little bit A lot of people like this and you can be you can become domain dependent on going to the clubs or going to a bar or Maybe you're domain dependent on social circle because you're you're comfortable with that And I would suggest get out of that comfort zone and see what works for you because a lot of the same Principles will work in different domains But if you're constantly stuck in one and you're constantly following this sort of routine and this formulaic way of doing it Maybe it works for you and you keep coming back to that same watering hole because it's been successful for you before I would suggest Get out there and start mixing it up a little bit I'll say this you should have Okay girl Now the one I wanted to say about day game It's very very labor-intensive because you kind of have to set off a lot You can't have it as part of your life, you know Approach the girl you see at the grocery store Approach the girl at the guessing and everyone should have those skills But if you're setting off time like I used to do in new city you set off two or three hours to go out and do day game That eats up a lot of time for Usually very little reward and even let's say you do 100 approaches You're really effective that day and maybe you get 20 numbers and then you get five of them to meet up And then maybe you're able to take one or two of them to success and that's going to be a Bit of an issue but with if you get something like I travel a lot So if you get something like tinder gold and one of the things I started doing is I'll just set my location to whatever city I'm going to be in next week You can line up Girls that are ready to go out with you when you get to town and between that and using snap and messenger you can kind of Get the pipeline flowing before you hit the city and once you get to the city You can still do your day game approaches when you're going through the airport When you're at the hotel when you're at the store, etc So you're maximizing your time instead of you know, having a lot of wasted time I mean with wi-fi on the plane you could fly from chicago in the morning And you could swipe be swiping and chatting with chicks in new york when you land in new york You have a chick meeting you and picking you up at the airport I'll add that That for sugar babies advanced planning like this literally location planning and advance a few days or week That's really effective because it makes you look really rich or even more rich than your eight million dollar net worth On the seeking arrangements and real quick. I know we I know we want to keep it moving But this is this is something that has to be said I think all of you have touched on this day game and carl nailed it It is very labor intensive and I always use this example during the day If I approach 10 girls and this is if you're really fucking good I'll get seven numbers of those seven numbers four will respond of the four that respond two Will agree to a meetup and of those two at least one if not both will flake If you fuck one out of 10 girls that you approach during the day, you are a fucking god Day game is a full-time job and a lot of guys ask me donovan You were in vegas and you're fucking this girl and that why did you give it all up because it's just a better life Yes, sticking your dick on a new vagina is great But but listen in the in the infamous words a turd fleeting monkey sometimes at some point the juice isn't worth the squeeze man It's just a better life to have one girl and I think text common ground Yes, absolutely. Let's go and hit the phone lines. We've got a guy from australia on the line And of course, we all like to run our mouth. So I couldn't hear what his name was. What was your name? This is australia Yeah, I like is uh, we're just calling the cars. I yeah, let's do it. Call him. That's funny. I love it That'd be like me calling that'd be like me calling and say my name's tyrone Nobody would believe it. Nobody would believe it. All right taz. What you got man? Hey lads, well, I just like to say In australia, we've got a bit of a A bit of a problem with now suicide and I just want to say that you guys are helping prevent it Okay, so I've watched your shows She's two to three years now. I've got a hold of roller to mossy through richard cooper Um And I was at the bottom of the barrel my wife left me I was a stay at home father for three years. I didn't know what I was going to do with my life Luckily, I stumbled on to these guys And with the help from you guys You guys helped me build myself up. I now work as a paramedic in the mining sector making well over triple figures And I worked six months of the year But my issue is this I have a six year old daughter. She's the world. She's my world I work week on week off and when I get home I have issues that women love the single bad thing, but they don't want anything to do with it as in relationship wise Or it never seems to last My yeah, my pretty much my question is has more to do with my daughter and How what can I do to to make her teenage years and early 20s Better and safeguarded for her If that makes sense Yeah, uh, listen, thanks for the call taz. I think we'll kick this off to rollo because I think he he can probably answer this question Better than any of us. Well, first off, I would say that um, when when you're a single dad Uh, there's I think there's this I don't want to call it a stigma. I think there's just kind of like preconception that um That you're gonna be a good dad or like, you know, it's like having a dog When you're walking through the park and you're trying to pick up chicks with having a cute little dog And then and girls come up to you because there's that kind of like parental Thing that's part of the attraction set not necessarily part of the arousal set And if you've read my stuff, you know that there's a difference between arousal and attraction and being a single father Uh, definitely plays up on that attraction side of things because it's sort of it's almost like Yeah, especially got like a six-year-old daughter. I would say that that works as a form of social proof in In within the set of women that are looking for a long-term a long-term partner They're looking for somebody who can you know prove that they've been Uh, a good father in some way Uh, you know people always say that well if you got a wedding ring that you're going to be more attractive That's that's not necessarily true. Um, I think that it's just that It depends on what that that particular woman is looking for at that particular time in her life So yeah, it might work for you if you're if you're dating a woman who is a little bit older Or maybe in her epiphany phase and looking for a long-term situation But it's going to be completely different if you're dealing with a woman who's like say 22 23 years old Um, who is looking at you more from an arousal state rather than an attraction state And so yeah, it might even work against you in that situation because that woman wants to get with a guy Who is not going to have to worry about whose weekend it is with the kid So Keep that in mind. I'd say that's that's the first thing I would say is that it it applies to attraction not necessarily arousal so much And the other thing is it's and I hate to say this is a liability But it's it's a liability in that that is what women expect of you They they put you into sort of that category of he would make a great dad or he already has made a great dad because look Here he has his kids, right? The other thing is you're going to find those kind of women when you like are taking your daughter to ballet lessons Or whatever it is that she does, you know, sort of extracurricularly You're going to find those single mommies there who are going to want to find an already pre-established single daddy That is something you have to be really careful of because you don't want to get involved with the single mommy You want to get involved with somebody who is wants to start a life with you or It doesn't have the baggage that most single mothers have so those are just some warning signs to keep in mind when you're when you're dating I have a comment on this after is text or ryan going to happen. I have something to add that I think it'll be pretty useful I think you're next Yes, no, no yet. I got something to put on it Text you're muted I just had a quick second thing go go It's actually based on something ryan told me ryan commented that the way I operate On tender even in person a lot and then even seeking arrangements Uh, I think because of my company. I kind of have like the beta bucks thing going they look at this company They see this button literally when they walk in the house immediately And that's like, oh is this guy a millionaire? Is he rich or whatever? And you know, a lot of them are going to assume that they see youtube They see a hundred thousand something subscribers. They think billionaire or millionaire probably their candies voluntarily just drop right At the right well, they can also go the opposite direction though. I know socrates used to have this issue a lot He's an architect and he has a bad ass house chicks would want to fuck them till they get to the house They see it and they're like chaching So with me and what ryan commented on he noticed with me is I come in like ultra alpha like cartoon level alpha a lot of the time And for me, that's just me having fun playing around But I think it has a really good benefit of offsetting all this stuff Which they can easily flip into a beta books. Let me fucking lock this guy down Let me, you know try to hold back the pussy for a couple of days or whatever. Yeah, it's a spectator Yeah, I don't want that shit immediately. So I come in like super strong But I think it's a good balance with what I have going on else in my life And as you might want to try that to the extent it doesn't make you look like a completely crazy dude And taz if I read it right your question was a part of it was also like, how do you make sure that your daughter doesn't get Confused by all these retards filling her head with nonsense. Is that correct? How's he gone? Okay, uh, yeah, when he was that that was what I took from it and Best I've seen from my I have three sisters and they essentially took their role model for what men they should date Based on their father. So I'd say your best thing to do is be Be the best guy in her life. I'm Not in a sexual way, but gamer like she was any other girl You got to be her best option. And so that's the best you can do is so when people fill her head with nonsense She looks to you for guidance At least seeing it from that from the children side of things. That's my two cents You know as far as uh anything else we talk about red pill is maintaining your frame at all times and your daughter needs to see that And when your daughter sees you rolling over to anybody any other woman She's going to think that's the way she's supposed to do when she gets older women tend to marry guys like their daddy And I think that's the that's the thing you want to set up and make sure that you Are setting that role model for what a good healthy strong man is and what a good leader of a family is And at that point, um, you know, you've done your job as far as hooking up. I think rollo hit it hard I mean single mommies have issues man And of course, I guess, you know, that's that's the one thing to watch out for but Yeah, the one one last thing real quick here is if you uh pick up book three positive masculinity I have an entire section dedicated to uh raising daughters So that it'd be easier for you to simply read that then for me to give you a half hour dissertation real quick rollo If if you're a man and you don't want kids or moms off the table I mean, I know my answer, but I'd be interested to hear what uh, yeah, but I think well I think they should be uh only because I think that a lot of guys get wrapped up in that and and they the The prospect of getting too deep with a single mommy is really tough Also, a lot of guys will say well, you know, I date single mothers, but I only keep them at arms distance And all we do is just have sex when she wants to have sex and then I'm done All right, I guess I can see that but if it beyond a fuck buddy I I would not advise that to most guys only because uh, those women are Are looking for something based on attraction rather than arousal for the most part And if you can find a single mother who is based on who has her Her priorities are based on arousal with you and all she wants to do is have sex with you That might work out for a while I mean that might be something that you might want to enjoy for a little bit But understand that you're going to bounce or just keep it out again. Keep them at arms distance and and uh, just Be be careful about that because Most these women want to at some stage make you another another father They want to make you somebody who they you know, eventually they want to have Sort of long-term security because even if women let's say they have a couple of kids They get divorced and they're get back into the the sexual market Uh, their value is very very much decreased and they know that and so they tend to be that I think one of the guys a lot of guys tend to say like well, I prefer Single mommies. Well, the reason you prefer that is because if they're just fresh out of a divorce They're really they're really ready to go and they're really don't care about You know what you do for a living or if you live in a you know a single room of You know studio apartment here the starving musician They want to fuck you and I'm I'm speaking from experience because I've had sex with at least four different single mommies when I was in my You know rockstar 20s but It never went it never went on beyond that and really I think those they weren't even really relationships But if you want to call them relationships They never lasted for more than like five or six months because it was all about sex And once she's sort of gotten that out of her system and decided that she needed to get back into that long-term security Obviously, I wasn't a good choice for that at the time. So You know, you can enjoy single mothers sure But just understand that they are temporary and they're just fun for an hour while you move on to something else But they can be a plate. I mean certainly if you're dating on exclusively, I don't see why not but just keep them at arms Text yeah, so Yeah, I my life is an open book man on the internet I I put way too much of my crap out there. Some might say it's a comic book But uh, you know way back in the day. I married a single mom I mean I did and I'd never been married before and uh, I got lucky on the on the girl I married but having to raise another guy's kid Especially a daughter. It's not the same as having your own kid, which we did eventually So, um, you're putting yourself into a situation that is never going to be very good Uh, the chances of success are extremely low that you will bond with that step child It's it's just not the same especially when you have your own child So you can get lucky on the mom, but you might not get so lucky on the kid and it become a damn 30 year nightmare So just keep that in mind Before we go to the next caller Here's a game tip for those of you guys thinking about fucking with single moms keep this in mind If she introduces you to her kid, she is attracted to you if she doesn't she is aroused by you Just understand that right alpha bucks. She doesn't introduce the kid beta bucks She wants you around her kid 914 205 5356 is the number to call jonathan From modern life dating is in the is in the motherfucking building. What's up, brother? mld for life going good um 244 a.m in tokyo, but I always tune in to you know get wisdom um This question is just for everybody because uh, what rollo said was exactly true When I told people in orlando that I was gonna go to tokyo and pursue my dream Uh, I got ridiculed. I got like my people I'd grown up and gone to high school with and they're like, oh, you're just a loser Uh, what are you gonna eat sushi every day? What the fuck and like now? I go back home and I visit everybody Everybody's doing the same thing. The only thing now is that they're all fatter So my question is for the guys in the group who have done this already um Did you ever go back to your hometown? Did you re-establish those relationships or do you just have to kind of let it go and let it be or I am 32 years old. So, you know, I'm a very Great success in tokyo. I don't I don't want to wear I don't I don't want to go back to america, but I do trigger people by wearing my make america great again hat over here Uh What are they gonna do beat you up? Oh, yeah, I did go back. I did the 20 year high school reunion. I took my girl down there Saw the family again. I made nice with my stepfather. I think I posted about that and replacing our fathers and the feedback on it Yeah, uh, it was the most awkward shit ever and it's just gone I think one person I asked like, oh, what's new and I was really excited Like tell me what you've been doing for the last 20 years and she like literally said nothing And then she flipped out at me. It's like I haven't traveled around the world to have stories all day and I'm like So that's pretty much. Yeah, that's what you're gonna get when you go back Which is weird. I didn't mention anything either that meant she scoured my facebook before the the reunion just to see Oh, yeah So the best you're gonna hope for is people living vicariously through you and then getting mad at you for Showing them what they could have done if they put some effort in so I wouldn't recommend it go ahead carl. I'll jump in after you Well, I have this theory that you have people who peak very early on and they think things are going to continue from there and I think anger and Hatred are really the only two motivators there are in the world because you either get pissed off About someone telling you something or about a situation or you hate the situation so much that you're like I'm just never going to end up like that and you just put all your energy into avoiding it And then you have people who have it pretty pretty decently and I think comfort is dangerous because if you're comfortable in your hometown You're comfortable with the same friends. You're comfortable getting drunk every weekend, etc You'll never move beyond that you'll do the bare minimum and women are much more guilty of this than men because men have to To some do something not to get brutally Chlorined out of our mutual gene pool, but a woman if she goes out one night, she'll get fucked that night I mean It's like I said on an earlier show like the women on my 600 pound life have boyfriends and husbands but A 600 pound man is not going to have a wife. He's going to have a mother herself Yeah, I don't even want to try and figure out those logistics But the point being that women have to kind of Man that can nothing themselves Into oblivion women have to make a conscious effort to make themselves unfuckable Yeah, rollo talked about this last week and I think I tweeted out something something to this effect Is that men we have to build value women simply have to preserve it And and and that's the thing all of this is the thing men all the woman has to do is not fuck it up That's all they have to do if a if a female in this country or in any part of the world If she can just make it to 21 years old as a virgin who's not fat without any Pure without any Untraditional piercings or tattoos you have hit the lottery you can have just about any man you want We as men we don't have it that way We have to make ourselves into men men are made women are born and women still end up fucking it up All they got to do is stay awake at the wheel I have never been to any of my high school reunions. I have no desire to do any of that That was then this is now however I don't need to do that because we have a thing called facebook now and all of the people who were Friends of mine and high and high school decided they want to they want to look me up They can look me up But I tell you there's a there's a group of people that I still basically know from from high school and It's pretty much exactly what modern life dating guy was saying here Was you know, they haven't done anything. They haven't really gone anywhere, you know Before I was even really rollo tamasi. I was doing a lot of shit As a you know as the principal creative for an import export for liquor brands I was going to belgium in germany and france and A lot of times in holland went to panama. You know multiple times been to aruba been doing all lots of different Things, you know with my life and just going around. I've got a lot of really good stories too to go with that I've got a little bad stories as well. So They only want to hear a bunch of good stories, right? But it's interesting how that how first of all how people just say stagnant and for somebody like me that's really kind of Like an alien thought i'm like, how can you just stay in Pasadena, california? And just do nothing and just stay there the whole rest of your life And not really go anywhere and not really do anything There's guys that do that there's guys that have gone around the world and then they came back and then they decided that they Just wanted to stay with there and they just wanted to sort of give up So some I find that there's some guys who have just stayed there and stayed the same person And not really done anything with themselves for a very long time And then there's guys who did something and then they came back and they seemed like they kind of gave up and then it seems to me like the guys who Such as myself who went off and did things and are constantly doing things and are you know involved in life Those are the guys who aren't going back to Facebook or aren't going back to their their their high school reunions But what's interesting is every last one of these guys expects you to be that same guy that they knew in high school Because they are they're still that same guy and they expect you to to be yourself You're the nerdy kid that I used to beat up and you know, it's in 11th grade. And so like no, I'm not asshole, you know And so I I think it's it's it's there's nothing more vindicative Especially in this day We got to think about we live in a time right now Where we can follow a woman that we are a girl that we knew back when we were 15 years old And that woman is 50 years old right now and we can see how she's gone through Oh, we can see how the red pill works and red pill You know intersexual dynamics works just by following how she's gone from you know got pregnant at 20 With some alpha dude raised her kid the kids that you know the daughters and in college now and now she's looking for You know, she's trying to find a guy to you know to settle down with now that she's like 45 years old and you can just look at this Yeah, you just look at this this progression And we're we're living in a time where this is the only time we've ever been or the first time I should say that we've ever been able to do that so Remember back in the day you would have to go back to You'd have to go back to your high school reunion to find out what other people they're doing You can find that out right now if you and trust me they'll tell us girls love facebook. I'm doing this I'm doing that man ain't shit. I'm in love man ain't shit and then it all starts over again on monday Just for text gets in I'm just gonna say yeah girls my age are so old it's I'll just say I've gone to several reunions and in my age You know some people are just dead, but uh, it's a lot of fun. Um, you cannot do a Tricking photo shop, you know and you can't put a filter on your on your face when you're actually at a reunion And you have two types of people like really say you've got the haves and you got the have nots You got the guy that's proud of the fact that he's living in in his parents house because his parents died And he kept the house. I mean there's that guy. I met that guy and he thinks it's the greatest thing in the world He's a have not you know and that's that's okay But man the have nots are the crabs in the bucket man. They do not like the haves and it's it's hilarious I mean it's fun. I I cherish those moments facebook's a devil You can hide it all on facebook and just have your greatest hits there But man, you can't you can't put on enough makeup when you're alive and in person to thank everybody out So i'm i'm 29 now So i'm at the point where a few people have died from high school But mostly not i'm not quite you know as old as you guys or texts But i am seeing force of 29 all the red pill stuff that role is you know mapped out with his timelines and stuff like that So all these women that i went to high school with are all crashing into the wall now And the dudes are getting grown up into marriages that are earning up a divorce And uh, there's a small collection guys i went to school with that follow my work pretty closely And they'll ping these guys, you know listen anthony look at what he's doing They'll they'll send videos and books and stuff including the rational male These dudes don't listen and there was a guy last year that he was married for six months The chick was bpd. She started hitting him getting violent and of course they ended up divorce Which is exactly what we fucking told him He's the first guy to do that and it's it's at my age at uh, you know 29 30 now It's really consistent. It's so consistent that it's like people who deny the red pill in these timelines It's just it's absurd. You see it. You have I have such a large data pool just from my own high school It's like right in her face like that It's brutal. It's and people don't listen. They don't want to hear it I think the first brilliant thing is going to be the the girls who are like 10 years old now because the millennial girls Have been using social media since they were about 15 16 since it was became ubiquitous But think about the first generation where you'll be able to follow a girl's instagram profile from six to 66 there you go That's going to be the that's going to be brilliant when you can kind of see that whole Rational male chart in practice and with pictures Meet the memes not just pictures but memes the independent strong independent women memes all the way Yeah, next call. Let's do another call man. I'm waiting for the haters man. No, but no haters have called you I'm surprised Every week I pop off and sell here you go. Come on. Listen. I challenge people all the time All right, we'll call the show they never they never show up 914 and 205 by 356 is the number call if you want to get on the show Ryan in north carolina you're on live with the red man group. What's your question? Hey guys, uh, I gotta say thank you all for what you're doing I'm like 19. I really really really appreciate it. It's great to have this base That I can build off of when I reach like 30 or something My question is with the crab bucket mentality. How do you think it affects the what to call? A relationship with the red pill male and there's a second part to it. How do you think as a red pill male? You'd be able to combat that I don't I'm not sure I understand your question You mean as a red pill male your relationship with another red pill male or no as a relationship with a LTR let's say okay I'll use my life as an example my girlfriend my ex We got together. We broke up recently You you already know the story about that. I'm Doing my own thing. She's doing her own thing But during the relationship her family was really leaning towards. Hey, don't submit to this man. Don't be like All I want you I'm gonna dedicate my life to you all that right and I basically saw them Try and block her from being happy by Serving me and shit like that. Right? So I was wondering how do you think that I was trying to like see if I could pick you guys's brain to figure out like My mind was basically captain save a hole. It's not her fault. But yeah, it's like you're not gonna be able to save her Just gotta let her go find another one. There's always more No, I I'm just saying like as a whole like How do you think that works? How do you think the crab bucket mentality? And is there a way to prevent this from happening? So what you're asking is how do you prevent your your girl from becoming a victim of the crab bucket mentality? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, you can't like listen my listen my uh my my short answer Uneducated answers that you can't you can't like like if if if a woman everything a woman around her is telling her Oh, you can you can be happy if you go and fuck up bunch of guys. You don't need to submit to a man She's gonna listen to that you want to know why because it's easy, right? Like that that's my opinion I don't there's no way you can save a woman from from the crab bucket mentality. She's got to save herself Yeah, I'll deal. I was just gonna say is that The crab bucket mentality doesn't necessarily have to relate to a guy who is red pill. There's going to be Uh, there's going to be this idea. I want to say audiology But I guess I sort of this understanding that a woman should be a certain way and again What we were talking about before how the blue pill teaches guys to be, you know, sort of these servile Um blue pill guys who are you know later in life? They're going to be more useful to women once they get through their party years Well, there's also that part of that education for women where it's what I call the femme powerment narrative And that's that that men should be doing that for you all the time and that they should be They want to call it egalitarian equalism But what it really comes down to is men basically being quote unquote supportive Of of women all the time and that's based on what I call the blank slate egalitarian equalist mindset That men and women are just should be should be equals But when you have men and women as equals women are always the ones who control the frame because women have the pussy They always have something that the man wants And so it puts women into that position of control Now if you go and you find a woman who says, you know what? I'm going to give up that control because I really love this guy and I really want to you want to have his kids I want to start family with him and I want a more Conventional complementary relationship with this guy. Well, there's a whole world out there that's going to tell her You don't do that. Why would you do that? You know, you're you're a woman of the You're a new woman. You're you're of the the femme powerment narrative You're of you're of this this you can have it all kind of era. Why would you want to do something like that? Like I I'll say that I'll give you this one really quick story I can remember this one time when uh, my wife had Called me on my cell phone and wanted to ask permission to spend some money on some makeup one time And I was this is when I was working a nine to five And of course the women who I was with The group of women that I was with on lunch where she was calling me Overheard this and what did they say? Oh my I can't believe she calls you for something like you She she doesn't have her own money or she you know, it's like this they could not believe It's like it's like this alien thought that my wife might call me to ask me permission to spend money And I'm like, well, yeah, we so what I I said she could have it This was back when I wasn't even really, you know, writing what I write about but I'm like, yeah, so fucking what? You know, she that's the way that our relationships is so what's the what's the next? The next part of that conversation is well, you must really have her under your thumb You must she you must have an abusive relationship if she feels like she needs to do that I know we have a complementary relationship and that's just how the shit works in my And every single one of these women that I was at this at this table with All of them had been married or had been divorced and one and one of them been like married or divorced twice Uh, you're gonna tell me how a good relationship could should go fuck you You know and so yeah, there's going to be that crab mentality, but it's going to be from the opposite side as well So it's one thing to have your friends say you're being somebody that you're not And then having to deal with a girlfriend who has a whole bunch of friends saying You're trying to be something you're not because that something is you're you're trying to uh Relinquish control and relinquish frame to a guy who actually probably has his shit together and would be a good match for you So they're going to sabotage that that that woman's happiness by Wanting to submit to you Go ahead. I have a texting question if we want to hop to the next one Yeah, I mean we've got we've got another caller on the line. I can bring men here The caller and then after that we'll hit the text question excellent. Um, mcgellen texas you are on live with the red man group What's your question? Uh, thanks for having me. I just you know first thing. Um, you know rollo I'm reading your book. I'm on the appreciation chapter something about one third Along the book and it's funny because whenever rollo speaks It's like he's speaking from the book, you know, sometimes he repeats things Ver verbatim and um, you know carl. I also do use the tender gold strategy Um, and then donovan, you know, I've been following you since You know, you've been doing the o shape other pill For a lot and I said it's pretty cool. But um You know, so okay, so let me just frame My question first before I ask it So I've I'm sorry to get to the question. Uh, let me keep it under 60 seconds Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. Okay. So I've been away from my family for about seven eight years now Just due to the fact that I've been going to school out of state So I've wrapped up undergrad graduate school and now I'm working. I'm a pretty good job, right? But throughout the entire period for them this far, uh, I was kind of just kept at an arm's length for my feeling like I didn't really necessarily, um, give me much attention or You know just really weren't in involved With me in any kind of way, but now that I'm doing well if you're trying to come around And there's been times where you know, I've I've I've noticed You know episodes of shaming that I should do this that I should support this or that But I'm kind of at the point now where You know, I I think law 38, you know, it's kind of the best way to go Hello Law 38 why? Hello, this guy worked his whole life to build up value He's finally at the point where people want to cash in on it and now his plan is just to go along to get along like no man He I guess the call or whatever I can't worry. He's going he's doing the exactly epiphany phase thing where he works until he's 28 And now everybody else wants to settle down. He just worked hard at us. Here's his prize Just ignore all that. You know what call call her if you're still listening go on to my site and search up Moment of clarity. That's a blog post I wrote that is exactly what you're talking about right now It's these guys who what I was saying before is these guys who live these this very beta condition blue pill conditioned You know beta lifestyle who are just, you know, they fit into that mold that everybody wants to keep them in And they think they're just people pleasers and then suddenly when they get to be right about 29 You know right around a woman's epiphany phase. That's when women Decide that they oh my goodness. I where does this guy ever come from and that he is that perfect guy Who has been what I also call a beta and waiting and that's another Post you should probably go look up as well betas and waiting because they want you to be there They want you to be that perfect guy and they want you to be ignorant of Of the plan they want you to be ignorant of The plan for them to go and have their alpha fucks in their party years and to have you waiting for them at 29 to 31 years old to marry them and start a new life with that is one of the reasons, you know You want to know why? Women like kitten holiday and the rest of these cunts don't want us to be talking about this kind of shit It's because of exactly this they need that guy who is ignorant about They need him to be stupid about it because they they want him to build himself up And they want to do they want to build the better beta They want that guy to be very smart and they want that guy to have made something of himself But they don't want him to be smart enough to have figured out the game and women's sexual strategies And this is the point that I think that you're in right now Go read moment of clarity. Go read betas and waiting. Those are the two that I would suggest Yeah, they want to get away with robbery basically Yeah, the the show the bachelor red and of course everybody knows that uh, that I you know, listen man I'm here for the drama, right? I'm not going to lie. We all have beta traits. That's my beta trait It's got red pill truth in it But the the the bachelorette is 28 years old interestingly enough all of the bachelors in waiting 27 28 29 30 years old And if I enroll or correct me if I'm wrong, that's where that line is Like where where a woman in a man's sexual market value are about the same as at 28 29 years old This is on the ascent and hers is on the line and you better believe it. You better believe it Uh, yeah, what was that text question? We were yeah, let's get to that. You guys hear me pretty good Let's do it. Yes, sir From ryan I'm a 27 year old medical student who just started rotations at hospital in western new york. I'm new to the area I'll be here for two years I basically blew off my social life and relationships for the last couple of years in order to study and take care of business Every time I start thinking I need a girlfriend My dad keeps telling me not to worry about it Not to worry about women keep going until i'm done with my residency But that won't be until i'm 33 35 I have a game plan for my life and I know he's looking out for me But I don't want to avoid women for another six years I know some women can be big uh be a big help support wise While it was good completely ruined my plans How should I play this one? Oh my god real quick this guy this guy one He just wants pussy right and he thinks he has to be in a relationship to get it And he hasn't figured that out yet number two. He's giving women too much credit No man needs a woman who's going to be my rock. Listen, man If i'm going through hard times, I don't need a woman's support I need her body and I need her compliance. I'm a man. I can handle it on my own You don't need a support system in a woman. You can get pussy without being in a relationship That's where I'll leave it there Yeah, I agree. I mean this guy I don't think he realizes he can just be you know, playing woman It doesn't seem to occur to him, but hopefully he'll figure it out. He needs to this kid needs to read Another post they need to be dream killers. That's it's also in I think it's in the first book too He needs a drug dealer friend. Yeah Well, I can tell you right now just just listening to this kid. It sounds as if uh, he's very much Been raised very much by a blue pill father, but a hill father who stressed the importance of Building himself up and making himself into something which in and of itself is not a bad thing. It's just that For a guy to say, oh, yeah, don't worry about it. The women will come later on I don't know. It might be a religious thing too. I'm not really sure. I'm maybe I'm I'm Detecting a little bit of a religious side of things. I agree. It could be that It also might be the dad's foot in the bill for this damn thing and he wants to see his kid get through And not get derailed by a single mom That's true. He doesn't want to see his investment get fucked up that that's very true and I think that the guy probably is one of these dudes who Could not fathom Spinning plates. He couldn't fathom being non-exclusive You know going out having a good time, you know being careful about it. I'm not saying, you know Just go out there and willy nilly just you know be You know hedonistic about everything but like, you know protect yourself as in as as Wise a way that you can do so but doesn't mean you have to be celibate until you get to be, you know 33 years old and you finally got your shit together and now you want a wife Uh, I mean like I said, I that to me sounds like there's some religious aspect of it Well, I think you would like to get here But you have this thing where a woman is never A positive Energy a woman will always take a little piece of your energy She will very rarely make up for it Same thing on a macro level like women cost estate money men pay taxes and finance that whole shit And the same thing with a relationship if you go into a relationship of woman now That's energy. You're not going to be able to put into your residency But you can sleep with women with a much lower energy cost than you can be in a relationship with one Because if you're in a relationship with one you have to manage drama You're gonna have to manage all her crying and all that bullshit I mean read ryan's twitter feed for god's sakes. He's been dealing with fallout from some chick giving her Her facebook or something in a wedding two weeks ago for two weeks now Just can't let that stuff go guys. He had a he had a second part to his question too I don't know if you guys can hit on it, but I can his second part of his question is short Also, do you guys support james marshall from the natural lifestyles company? His material seems real and normal compared to the mystery method stuff. Thank you I don't know if you guys are familiar james marshall in the natural lifestyles He's spoken at the convention many times. He's one of the australian dude Yeah, he's the most famous australian dude. We have what we've two two famous james Spoken in the past He runs the company the natural lifestyles kind of like rsd, but it's smaller and they do higher-end workshops Better sheep than rsd. Yoan, so I gotta give him credit there I'm not a winner tyler. I can't remember which one is which oh and oh and is tyler I'll say james marshall is james marshall is a solid dude. He's a good businessman He's a good seducer like is there he really has a shit together with that But he came from a very a literally feminist background I had a speech at the convention in tampa 2014 at 21 con He literally called his mother a card-carrying feminist His father left, you know at some point in childhood And that's where he comes from that that background and that shows and what he talks about So in my opinion james is a seducer. He does understand Women to some degree, but especially pick up in seduction but He's taking he's probably taking the purple pill as far as you can go without blowing up your life Past that point. It's getting roped into something that's going to destroy it, which he hasn't done For it to his credit, but yeah, I mean he's he's a purple pill guy. He's just really good at teaching seduction That's my stance on james marshall right now. It's all a dude, but You know very pro-feminist which is bizarre It's one of the only speakers in the entire history of the convention like 120 speakers that actually likes feminism Now is we almost had a huge falling out over that we uh, we didn't talk for a while and that was a big deal But we ended up putting the talk out and let you know, the viewers kind of deal with it Who have universally slammed it good at game does not necessarily imply that the guy is red pill aware Maybe he's he's really like a lot of the guys that I see at rsd are very either purple pill or they're straight up blue pill But they're very good at seduction and they're very good at getting the girl. It's just that once they've got the girl They don't know what the fuck to do with it and they're good Yeah, I was gonna say they're good at lifting our material too I would say james actually is a lot better than the rsd guys I'd put my money on james being a better seducer than anyone at rsd Including all in all this yeah james is badass dude Must be a kind of kind of like xan like someone who's banged a lot of women and understand seduction But is not fully red pill right what happens after you start fucking her Yeah, exactly. Well, he plates and you know the stuff I think is I think actually he when he spoke at the convention in miami that was his last one he spoke at 2016 His girlfriend at the time actually brought him another woman for a threesome On his birthday. This is pretty this is pretty routine for him But he comes from that strong feminist background though Which is really unusual and even the other purple speakers would kind of clamp down on for that It was like bizarre. It's like guys like mystery who I mean if you've been reading if you've bred the game I mean they start on the first freaking chapter Neil Strauss describes him as being suicidal And this is a guy who is like very very good at game I mean basically wrote mystery method for fuck's sake But the guy is has never really killed off that blue pill part of himself or that beta part of himself So he can get women But he once he gets in with him he reverts back to being blue pill and thinking that he can get all of his blue blue pill idealisms Uh satisfied by his you know, what would amount to red pill practice or red pill knowledge And it never really works out for these guys and consequently what happens they become suicidal because they never really crossed that gulf Yeah, I don't know who the who this james guy is but I but let me Before we get to eric in sweden and thanks for being patient. What do you guys think about this? Maybe the guy doesn't maybe maybe the guy wants to get involved with a woman now because maybe he wants a woman He can trust right like maybe he doesn't maybe he doesn't want to He wants a woman who's going to be there through his struggle through medical I mean, I don't know maybe because of course everyone every woman wants you when you're a doctor But very few women want you when you're in medical school. So maybe looking for a woman who you know, you can trust a lot of I don't know Date as many women as possible and as soon as one gives you a red flag ditch it Eventually that something's going to fall through the sieve that's at that 80% good enough for him Maybe at that point though, it still doesn't change the plan played everything. You've got legs Okay That's my thought on it. Anyway, that's how I got mine. I would agree. I would agree I would agree and then listen if she really loves you man, she'll stick around man She'll stick around for the president nine one four two five five three five six eric in sweden I do appreciate your patient man Uh, you got a bunch of guys who talk for a living and we all yammer on But eric in sweden, you're on the line with the red man girl. What's your question, man? All right. Thanks, man. Thanks for having me guys. Uh, I have a question. I'm 24 years old Currently spinning a couple of plates And uh, my question is with regards to risk management when spinning plates And uh, it's with regards to one of my plate my current plates And she falls super good into my frame The thing is, uh, it's the guys she's surrounded by on a daily basis Uh, these guys are a bunch of beta orbiters Who one of them uh told her he has never kissed a girl. He has never Been laid and he's 21 years old And recently he got a tattoo on his forearm saying two man humans And it's what was a red flag for me straight away. I was like Uh, I was sort of thinking about how should you manage risk about the people hanging with your plate? Although your plate Yes Uh acting just fine Thank you very much guys. Do you understand my question? Yeah All right. Who wants to go first? Yeah, okay, I was gonna say I I'll pick up here real quick. Um, I think guys get a little Oh, I think especially red pill guys Shouldn't do this, but I think that when guys have a woman who's in their frame or they are the Most most women are always going to keep a beta orbiter. They're always going to have that plan b Uh, even even women who are married. I think there was like some poll I think I've got this I've got a post called plan b and there's there's an infographic on there and it shows the I think that was it 65 or 70 of women have like a plan b guy to go to Yeah, yeah, it's probably higher than that. But we're in in this guy's case. Uh, I believe he's spinning plate So I'm gonna say he's single. Um, but I think that Uh, red pill guys need to understand that beta orbiters are not a threat The woman is if you're if she's already like deferring to your frame They are not a threat. In fact, they are an opportunity because all they do is show if you I'm Assuming you can play this the right way. All they do is reinforce your frame All they do is reinforce the fact that she's with a guy who is nothing like these fucking schmucks Okay, some guy who gets a tattoo of you know, too many humans or whatever else These are guys who are going to be circling around her and yes women love that attention They're going to get attention from everyone. They love you they might be fucking you But they're going to want to get attention from anyone and everyone that they can possibly get So understand particularly for younger women. That's why I tell these guys, you know, don't go taking pictures of your of your Your whatever plate you're with Don't go taking her picture so that she can go put that up on instagram She wants to do that tell her to have one of her beta orbiters do that You know why because that all that does is reinforce their position And you are not going to play ball with that because you're the guy that she fucks They are the guys that she gets to take pictures for their instagram So keep that in mind beta orbiters are an opportunity for a guy who knows how to use them Here's another thing eric in sweden. Guess what these beta orbiters hang around your plates Those are guys who are stuck in the friend zone and what do guys get stuck in the friend zone do? I don't know, but I know what they don't do. They don't fuck the girl Listen, you are in a uniquely You're in a unique position of advantage You're fucking a girl right now right and girls listen Even if you're just using her as a play to fuck buddy girls do require a little bit of tlc every once in a while Even because they're women they need that stuff. Dude, you got someone you have someone to take her to the prom Rent the limo right compliment her on how good she looks He dude he could even drive her to the hotel room All you got to do is open up the hotel room and fuck her and then give her back And he'll take care of all that stuff thinking that one day he's going to be in that hotel room Dude, thank you're a lucky star is that there is somebody else There for you to insulate you from all the bullshit that comes out of her mouth And I can promise you this she probably complains to that guy. Oh my god, eric won't commit to me And that beta orbiter sitting there listening to her thinking oh Well, you need someone who's going to care for you and love you and guess what she's agreeing with him But you want to know something she's going to be at your place sucking your dick not his Those beta orbiters are guys in the friend zone. Thank you're lucky stars my friend and what's more she's a plate Who gives a shit? Yeah, so i'm actually playing a snapshot porn star right now. It's a pretty recent basketball Yes, and she actually has like hundreds of dudes that pay her on snapchat through like all these You know different apps and stuff, you know and even when she's here like I see her phone going off And i'm like, ah, should I have her shut that shit off? And i'm like, no I'm gonna let her leave it on because that I know that's a contrast she bitches about these guys Well, like how fucking weird they are and stuff Now some of them maybe she ends up banging. I don't know but uh knock on wood But for the most part these guys like she really thinks they're losers and really she's just classifying them as beta and how You know incredibly annoying they are But yeah, it's it's a really uh, it's a very uh visceral when i'm you know fucking her And I see her phone is blowing up all these like literally dozens of dudes And uh, yeah, it's visceral, but it shows you yeah what frame you're in it shows you uh because it contrasts and highlights that It's just weird though when you see it in person like that like holy shit That's all I've put on it Donovan you're uh, totally muted Yeah, yeah, I I knew I was muted i'm when when you guys are talking i'm back there screen I've got a call. I say you do we got any more? Yeah, we it's getting close. So yeah we are getting close. Uh, we got airy code We got kevin in canada and we have a woman in florida Oh, go with that do that one. Yeah kevin. I'm gonna put you on the back burner for just a second. Let's get to him though We will we will do Listen I listen I've talked to my anger management counselor about this. I'm gonna try to handle this differently actually, no I'm not airy code 863 you are on live with the red man group. What is your question? You wonder how this kind of stuff affects the daughter that you might have. Oh, here we go. Yes, I do I've got a daughter. I've raised her till she was 20 years old. There it is anything else. Yeah, how did she turn out actually? She's doing really well. She's uh, let's see. She's going into her junior year In college right now. She's got a 4.3 GPA. I think She is a pageant winner I'm not going to tell you which one because I don't want people looking her up and she's gorgeous And she knows your role it's a machine. Yeah, and she and I'll tell you this because I know where she's gonna go with this Well, you know, don't you Well, let me tell you something my daughter has grown up with Rolla Tomasi Since she was born. Okay for the last 20 years. Okay, she's only known I've been Rolla Tomasi over the last like four or five but Still, I think that the red pill and what I have internalized is red pill knowledge and Understanding of intersexual dynamics has helped form her and I'll tell you right now This is my daughter is a young woman who has a lot going for her. She understands She she's she's she sees shit coming That sometimes that I don't even see with the guys that she's had and she got a boyfriend right now But there was a time before that Where it's like she would even say this guy's alpha this guy's beta and she would she was even referring to She was making references to stuff that I was talking about that. I didn't even know that she knew about Yeah, and so and the guy that she's with right now is very much like me We share some of the same hobbies. We you know, he's in really good shape. He's got his shit together He's I mean if I was gonna say if I was gonna say, you know, I will give my blessing for You know marrying anybody it would be this guy. I don't know if that's gonna happen. It's kind of young I don't want him to see him get married just right away But I have seen the kinds of guys that she accepts and the kinds of guys that she declines on and I would say that she's very much. I don't think she knows this I don't think I think she just sort of reflexively responds to two guys in a way that I probably have trained because It was me setting that example. Just like what Tex was saying earlier. You need, you know kids Don't listen to what you say. They watch what you do She sees that she sees the relationship between my wife and I've been married for 22 years. What does that say about the red pill? Okay, what does that say about Rolla Tomasi? What does that say about the rational now? We've been you know, I can I've got that as experience. I've got 40 notches under my belt when I was young and single I got it There's a lot of things that I can talk to I could speak to but my real I and I don't usually like to use my relationship as an example here, but There's you know, when you look at the success between my wife and I we have a complementary Relationship I control the frame. She's happy to be in that. I don't I'm I'm not into BD and SNM But you know, we have this, you know, I have a I have a superior dominant personality above hers and that's the way things work out and my my daughter has seen this throughout the years and Consequently, it has changed her into who she is today. So don't give me this bullshit about like oh What if your daughter's what do you think about your daughter's again? You they're all gonna get in a pornography I and I hate to I hate to use myself as an example, but I'm living proof that if you do this and you Have it if you have red pill awareness as part of your fundamental personality And you've internalized and it's part of who you are your daughters are gonna come out a whole lot better Then if you're this blue pill schmuck who's trying to appease women all the time And you're not in your frame or you think you're in some egalitarian marriage. You're not and that's where these problems come up You have a follow-up with with this You absolutely can certainly My main part with that, how do you kind of think about it if your daughter is growing up and she knew about your past? um, I diagnosed PTSD and I'm just kind of wondering how how is it that you can justify the plate spinning theory while raising a daughter? It's okay. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. Where are you deployed? Wait? Hold on. What what does PTSD have to do with anything? She has PTSD So she's wondering so she's like put pretend that she is Rolo's daughter and then apply all this stuff again to help her If I understand correctly, I don't want to miss quote you here Yeah, like if your daughter has gone through some type of trauma. It seems like a lot of Society is saying that if you're Troubled in any way that you've been damaged. I if I ever had a son. I think the red pill is really good for him But well, here's my question to you then it if you had a Strong father who was protective. Do you think that would have prevented the damage? Or would that or did you have like a really good strong dad and then in spite of that it still happened? I honestly don't know. It's just like when you I was trying to look it up to see What is going on? I never had a relationship or anything and The messages are kind of like you're only valuable for what you look like. Yes, that's that's true Oh, yeah, that's fine though. That's not it's not a character assassination on girls You can be what you look like same as guys Doesn't matter. It's you have a Well, you have a common problem and the problem I think most women have is they cannot separate sexual market value from their personal worth That they they think that just because they are at us I mean you can be a wonderful person and you can be intelligent and you have your shit together and you can be this You know wonderful Developed, you know human being but that's not going to affect your sexual market value and when you're dealing with a guy When you're dealing with new guys as a relationship there you're unfortunately, this is just how it is We don't think I would love it for if it were if it were what was on the inside that counts But what's on the outside that counts as well? And so it comes to mind for me too is why wouldn't your daughter? Why wouldn't the daughter want her father to be successful with the opposite sex to know that that was in his history? That's that's a good thing. Well, I mean, it sounds to me like it sounds and hopefully she's I don't know if she's still on the line But I hope so Listen what she's doing real quick here is again She's and her from me from wrong here. Erie code 863 you're trying to make women equal to men, right? So what if your daughter knew about your past sexual history as a man? Guess what your daughter? Okay, or like It's kind of like feeling like I am worthless and that there's nothing good and I'm trying to figure out Sweet listen, I don't know what to tell listen I get it but I don't know what to tell you like just like Rola said you could be we could have a master's degree You could have a diversified portfolio You could have the you could have the world's greatest personality But if you're not sexually attracted to attracted attractive to us men of value aren't going to be interested now I will tell you this if you are a mildly attractive have a good personality You don't fall for the wiles of feminism. You don't have any discernible slut tells you're gonna have a lot more options out There in terms of long-term relationship material then you would if you were a hot girl who was a slut So yes, if you're listen if you weren't born with with if you didn't hit the genetic lotter If you got hit with the ugly stick as we as we say in grade school you're out of luck But guess what guys are the same way and guys don't have it as good as girls That's just how it is at least ugly girls get laid at least ugly girls can have relationship with ugly guys ugly guys There are no ugly studs right a lot ugly blood running around out there One of the best pieces of advice I ever gave my son several years ago He's so looking so focused trying to find a girlfriend I said you know quit looking so hard and try to be somebody worth finding and I would say the same thing that to the color in Terms of your self-worth be somebody worth finding and I mean you'll find that you're getting in shape and taking care of Yourself and having a positive attitude and being nice to people attracts a lot of men a lot and Well, I mean look at it beyond just the physical though It's like I always I got a post called value added and really it's it's very easy for women to get into shape It's very easy for women to be to be what what guys would call fuckable Okay, you would have to pass the boner test But what doesn't what's hard to do for these women is to sort of unlearn What they've learned for a very long time and that is this Empowerment narrative and to not be feminine to expect, you know to be Entitled to certain things about men If you're a really nice person if you're there's a lot that that goes along with that But I think that a lot of women these days do not Have any added value like we'll say beyond the physical. What else is there better? You know, what is there for for women or for men to be appreciative of women? Well, most women don't care about making themselves pleasing for other men because that goes against that narrative It goes against the femme powerment side of things and so what they do is they consequently just think that they are these self You know these self-contained, you know Autonomous just beings or these things right and what happens is they they turn themselves off from being nice They turn themselves off from being feminine They turn themselves off from all of this stuff because they believe that they are entitled to that and so What does that do it commodifies women and commodifies their sexuality because if there's no value added beyond just the sexual Then what all what are men going to be interested in they're just going to be interested in that sexual side of things because everything else is a wash So what I'm saying right now is you kind of fit in at least from what I'm getting here Is you kind of fit into the opposite right now where it's like you've done it You've done a lot to develop yourself and a lot of women do this too They've become professionals at whatever they're doing. They've they've they've come up through college They've they become these you know careerist women who believe that that careerism or that who they are Should be what makes them sexually attractive and that men should want to get with them because they have a degree because they Own their own, you know, they think they're an entrepreneur They think that they're getting into some sort of social importance or they're getting into these Realms that are traditionally masculine and they think that because it works for men That it ought to work for women and then they find out that later that that has nothing to do with their sexual market value So what makes you a good person and what builds you up as a person and makes your your personal worth High is not what makes your sexual market value high. Those are two different things when you can make both of those come together That's great that it that's fucking awesome right there If you can be a hot girl who is is humble who has who won't who believes in complementarity between the sexes who? Differs to to their husband's frame Not not a pushover. I'm not saying that you got to be you know You got to be this little wallflower and you got to be crushed by some dominarian guy or some abusive asshole What I'm saying is that you defer to that you have a more conventional Sex or gender role Appreciation for one another if you can get into that that is value at it If you've got if you've got just baseline you got a girl who is like say a five But she you know has all of this deference for for a good guy for a guy who knows who knows his shit a guy who's red pill aware that is that makes her a little bit more valuable than just the five who is just like Bitchy and and complaining and and thinks that men owe her something or that she's entitled to something that kicks her down a notch Because it's that value at it There's no value that women don't have any concept of what value added me no they don't and listen I know erico 863 have one more question here But I want to add real quick here is that as a woman you are born with value And I think I think I probably addressed this a little bit earlier All you as women have to do is not fuck it up as a woman you are born a woman I mean just stay awake at the wheel so listen I mean with all due respect like I'm not trying to hear I don't want to hear any well if I don't look good Then I don't have any value no no no no looks are definitely the most important thing to men But again, if you just don't eat junk food and don't fuck 18 guys in 18 days or whatever Then yeah, you're probably gonna be more attractive in terms of long-term relationship material for men of value What's your what's your last question? Well, my last question is I'm still an undergrad right now, and I'm trying to figure out I wanted to start a business But I wanted to do it like with somebody that I married and I'm just trying to think right now How is that possible? I'm trying to read about co-CEO's and I don't really want to be a career woman and I'm just trying to figure out Like what's going on is that considered being too ambitious if I wanted to do it as a partnership Yeah, you're you're trying to have it. Yeah, you're no no you're you're trying to have it both ways That that's what's happening. Listen, it's either one or the other if you want Here's the thing if you want to open a business You're going to have to if you want to open a successful business You're going to have to embrace and exhibit masculine traits Okay, and when you embrace an exhibit masculine traits over an extended period of time your business has a far more Likelihood of being successful than not here's the problem Somewhere along the way you are going to lose your sense of femininity and whether you find a partner or not He's gonna become less attracted to you You want to know why CEOs end up why CEOs end up fucking their secretaries because their secretaries are in a feminine submissive role, right? They're they're they're they're a legal partner They're their wife who's a who's a junior partner at a law firm and rises to the ranks again Congratulations to her but she's had to exhibit masculine traits for so long She forgets how to be a woman Secretaries don't forget how to be women because there's really no room up the secretarial ladder So at this point you got a choice to make you can either start a successful business and understand You're gonna have to sacrifice some of that femininity or you can find you can find a man Who's worth submitting to but you cannot have it both ways I'll tell you that I'm just gonna drop this in here really quick If the best advice I can give you is understand this your professionalism your careerism your education and all this stuff That has built up your ego to be you know this woman of the future this new woman in the new age kind of thing Or you're gonna be a CEO or whatever all of that. Hey great. You know what? None of that makes you more sexually attracted to a guy not understand understand that no guy gets a heart on because you say Hey, here's my MBA. Okay, no no guide. No guy does that Okay guys want to see what you look like in a bikini Okay, because we are because that is the male imperative the male imperative is Unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. Okay, and so none of that, you know men like I said men's men's men Don't get hard for an MBA 401k exactly and so and I think that that is one of we were just talking about this not too long ago That is one of the conditionings that women get these days Is that if they do things and they insert themselves into a male role that all the things that make a man Attractive will make a woman attractive No Women are what? Thank you Something I saw a ruche. I think stand Twitter recently Either as a woman you can either nurture a career as you write as you grow up or you can nurture babies You can't do both. Oh You've got you've got people that are if you tell another woman. I hear women say I want to be a stay-home mom They get crucified, you know You can't have it both ways you're they're gonna do it one way you're gonna do it the other do it well Either way and nature wants you to go in a certain direction if you disrespect that you're gonna pay the price Nature will biology will win and nature will make sure of it They don't even know that far I just say pick one if you want you want man if you want a man in your life act or as a person who gets A man in her life if you want a business act like a woman who wants a business just pick one Yeah, and then just trust that you made the right decision. I don't think you do both. Well Yeah Oh, I think Rollo coined it you can do anything, but you can't do everything Canada I'm gonna get to you in just one second one last question for you 863 What kind of business well, I don't I don't want to give away proprietary information, but why do you want to start a business? I'm just interested in knowing why well I did say at the beginning that I did have PTSD from childhood. I wanted to try to start a nonprofit to help Music enter the education sector to help kids Okay, that's legit. All right. Well listen 863 we appreciate the call No, a noble cause and again is not sexually arousing for guys. Unfortunately I'm sorry that you had to go through whatever you had to go through, but I'm glad you're doing what you're doing I'm not saying that that's not a noble thing, but it's not going to help you get laid Listen, no good luck to you listen, you let this be the focal point man everything that happens after your life That's what you have a decision to make you can either go one way or the other But you can't go both ways. Thanks for the call area code 863 Kevin in Canada. You were on live with the red man group Thanks for your patience brother No problem First of all, I just wanted to say thanks to all you guys for putting your time in and specifically to Rollo and the 21 series all all the content. I'm on the I mean currently in the middle of probably my most successful Six months of my adult life, and it's I don't feel good. That's why I thank you guys for that and just to your Theme of the day the family got bucket you guys could just I'll just relate this story to you I was having a conversation with a buddy yesterday won't be long and just just what your feelings are about that I told him that story about that Woman who wouldn't fuck her husband and then had a VHS tape and his real reflexive answer Was what did you do wrong and it was instantly blaming him no male solidary completely? Took the woman side and just I just was thinking about that as I read the the family crowd bucket theme Yeah, good good question. Thanks for the call Kevin I think Ryan touched on this a little bit early I forget who who touched on who touched on it and it's funny because on the other side If a woman says well my husband's not fucking me or whatever and they say very rarely do they say well What did you do wrong? I think it's I think it's hilarious, but here's the thing now I can speak to this on the other side My wife didn't fuck me for a year and a half when I know why my wife didn't fuck me because I was gross I was over 300 pounds. I wouldn't have fucked me either so I'll take personal responsibility on that one Girls always preferred girls guys slightly preferred girls So it's always got to be the guys fault right well in a in a feminine primary social order if something goes wrong for a woman It's the man's fault if something goes wrong for the man. It's the man's fault It's always going to end up being your because what this is is kind of like a twisting of the burden of performance So, you know women, you know the narrative is oh, we want a vulnerable guy who could be expressive with his emotions And guess what happens when you do that, you know Exactly and then you know what happens is she blames it on you you shouldn't have been such a big pussy You know and it's like it's you can't fucking win So that's why I always say look you need to make yourself your own mental point of origin But understand that it's always going to be your fault no matter when that's this kind of we should probably do a Show about personal responsibility at some time because I I think a lot of the guys we were talking about last week When it came to success porn they're very very big on personal responsibility, you know own your shit kind of stuff Well, sometimes, you know what bad shit happens to good people and and so I think part of Understanding and owning your shit is understanding who's who's really at fault. Is it your fault for being fat? Yeah, it's your fault for being fat. Yeah, should you do something else? Sure? You should but you need to also understand that there's you know That sometimes the environment is really pretty fucked up and how you deal with that is really on you But is it your responsibility? Maybe maybe not so it just depends on how it's your responsibility and how you're going to deal with it Yeah, I can say that I think everyone has this kind of Biological reflex that women are not really supposed to be accountable It's like we men have no problems holding each other accountable or most minute of shit But very few men will hold the women accountable It's kind of like I think I like Rolo's description of a news mastery I think that's kind of our default state with women. Oh, how cute you want to be a nuclear physicist I mean make sure you don't hit that red button I mean you will blow up the world but if you blow up the world go ahead it was probably supposed to happen it's like It's not you're in your default response to like you just it's not that you don't need to hold women accountable You just know that women can never be accountable It cannot be held responsible for what they do and that's why it used to be that if a woman entered into a Contract her husband would have to pay up if she fucked up Even if she forged a signature because you know then was always accountable for the woman's action and I think ultimately That's just a way of the world of Donovan says on the show all the time women left to her own devices will be self-destructive She needs someone either that be you know a pastor or a father or husband or whatever to just kind of Grab her by the back of the hair and be like what the fuck are you doing stop doing that? That's retarded go wash some dishes or do something productive. It's just that's the kind of Accountability women need them and you can't expect women to Think about the big picture in the same way men do because in the end if if you run out of money And there's some work whose ass is going to be on the front lines fighting. That's man Women know that they're always going to be kind of the women and children the lifeboats the men dying I mean a man might be allowed in the lifeboat if I mean someone to row that shit Yeah, that's funny as I've read this I read this article Yeah, exactly I think that was it wasn't it wasn't that the title of it like who rose dow rock I think he came up with some sort of history blog or something like that And he was saying that there was actually lots of room on some of those life rafts That were Abandoning ship from the Titanic and that men just felt that it was like their duty to go down with the ship or that they you know Only women and children could get into these things and that if you were a man and you were in that That that lifeboat that you were a pussy or that you were just you know and so they had to find somebody who could actually row the fucking boats and You know so the men who would have to get into the boats were you're reluctant to do so But they were needed because they had to be there to you know push the boats around. I think it's kind of interesting how sacrificial guys Really maybe it's something like part of our DNA or part of our mental firmware It's like we feel like we need to be like you know expendable or we were not useful if we're not expendable I wanted to add on the personal responsibility topic before we wrapped up the show today before Donovan goes At least in my age at you know 29 I was born into a blue pill world living in America and Florida in the West So creating the the blue pill was obviously not my responsibility Something was born into but accepting it was my responsibility and rejecting it is my responsibility to So, you know, we're all born in a lot of this anyone you know watching this You know in the teens or 20s you were born into this But you need to understand that you accepted it That's on you and you guys spit it out get a vomited if you need to whatever Donovan Yeah with regards to women not being accountable Women always of course, you can't you know, don't listen to what she says watch what she does We all know that but what guys need to understand is that women are It's almost as though they are programmed to sort of quasi shit test you women are designed to try to sabotage The relationship before it even starts. I want a guy who's sensitive. I want a guy who's vulnerable I want a guy who talks to me about his feelings. No, listen, that's what she says she wants But what she needs is none of that and so a woman will and I saw it was like a little comic It was like a cartoon where a woman meets a guy's got long hair He's got like a metallic a t-shirt on she's like, you know, she's like, I don't want to fuck you And so in the next block, she's like, I wish you would shave your beard So she shaves her beard then she says, oh, you know, I wish that you would you know I'm gonna we're gonna go shopping for new clothes. You got to get rid of those shirts Then he reads a letter. Hey, you know, I'm sorry. I cheated on you or whatever You just weren't the same you weren't the person I met a woman's natural state is to try to change who you are And they don't realize that they're subconsciously shit testing you she may think she wants you to change But but in the deepest recesses of her mind, she's just making sure that you are steadfast in who you are Steadfast in your beliefs and as soon as the slightest chink in the armor starts to crack She's already she's already looking for another guy who will tell her fuck. No, I'm not shaving fuck. No Yeah, I'm gonna wear fucking wife beaters on there. Yeah, I'm gonna wear whatever t-shirts. I want Also with regards to holding women accountable Women can't hold themselves accountable because they can't handle it and I think and I'm not a psychologist It's probably a question for dr. Smith But I think that women when if they actually held themselves accountable for one thing They see that as a referendum on their entire character their entire lives So if they if if if they fucked up a relationship They can't say well I cheated because I was being a slut then all of a sudden they have to admit to themselves Well, I was just I was just a bad person And one more comment here with what Carl said. Yes when women Women are self-destructive and left to their own devices a woman needs a man who will protect her from all kinds of things But most of all they need a man who can protect them from themselves and that's why you have to hold women accountable With that said, let's wrap up the show gentlemen. Thanks for joining me today in the red man group Awesome times about those were the longest ones. They've ever done. I think We really need to do another all-call in again because I think that this is starting to become more of a popular section Yeah, those are starting to do crazy bitches run, too. Yeah, we'll do it We'll do an all-call in again. I'd also like to get modern dating on the show at some point Yeah, modern life dating dude MLD's the many's probably asleep now, but yeah Well viewers, thanks for tuning in live much appreciated those you watch from the courting Thank you as well to all of you who watch this video Please hit the like button on YouTube on Twitter anywhere else. You see it share it leave a comment and do all that good stuff And check the description for good links join 21 studios Subscribe to the red man group and follow all these guys on Twitter and their blog and stuff like that All the links will be already in the video description or with the next couple hours Thanks guys. I'm gonna shut off the livestream. 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