 And again, he walked into the shop, so I walked in. Had there been operators, they'd have killed half of them people and got away. But they were admin guys, and they'd taken the wrong turn at a funeral. When they got shot, the wound wouldn't get infected with the cloth. We still stripped them from the room and taken away and returned to unit. But who's a SPS? Martin, good to see you, brother. And you, sir? Just been reading about the... I've got a big thing. Yeah. I've just been reading about the endurance course, and it brings back memories, doesn't it? Yeah. So, before we go any further, I'm just going to say some keywords, because apparently that helps us on YouTube. They hear you say a few keywords in the first sentence. Right. It helps up your ratings. So, we're talking here, former Royal Marine's Commando. Yeah. What SF were you in, Martin? It was 14-inch. 14-inch. Serving in the Northern Ireland conflict. Undercover. Yes. Can we say child abuse? Child abuse and sexual abuse in the Marines. Yeah. We're going to talk all about this, aren't we, and start getting a conversation going about some of these important areas alive that a lot of people, you know, want to sweep under the carpet. Yeah. Think about the Royal Marines, which they could sweep Jimmy Savile under the carpet, don't they? Yeah. And then self-made multi-millionaire. Yep. I think this is going to be a good podcast. Okay. Okay. Lovely. So, I've got on the bottom of my notes, Talk Uncle Albert Talk. Yes. Yes. Because that's what they all called me, my kids. Yeah. What happened in the war? Yeah. So, yes, I joined up, mate, because what year did you leave mine? I left in 78. Oh, that's probably, yeah, I'm sorry, I stopped tripping over my words. I joined up for a bet. So, I was homeless and living in my Renault 12, albeit temporary homelessness, but still not nice to experience when you're 17, you know, kicked out of home for the second time at 17. Right. And that's a whole weird experience, being homeless. Okay, no. Yeah. The first time, I think I was 14, 15, homeless in your school uniform, is something ain't right there, right? Hey, Chris, Chris, read the book. Yes. I was homeless at 14 in Liverpool. Yes. I did the same, mate. Yes. I ran away for two weeks. I will just say that from a little bit, I've managed to read so far what a really well written book, folks, and there's a few duffers out there, let's say, but this certainly isn't one of them. But, yeah, so there I was homeless in the Renault 12. My mate comes up, knocks on the window, he says, I've just passed the Royal Marine's Potential Recruit Course. You could never do it, right? Yeah. You don't tell, you know, a trauma experience of what they can and cannot do because they might not be able to control everything in the past, but they can control to a degree their future. And we don't like being told what we can and can't do it. Am I right there, mine? Absolutely. Spot on. Yeah. So I ended up on a PRC, it's now called the PRMC for people who are wondering. And at one point we had to do the endurance course, but we did it in light order and we didn't do the run back, we did like a mile of it. Right. And as I was running up that Heathland, and it's up, down in it, up, down through the water tunnels, through the sheep dip, freaking out, real savage. And I started to fall back and two things there. First of all, I couldn't drop out mine. I could not, I could not fail because I didn't want my parents having the satisfaction to go, there you go, we told you when, you know, and the other thing there was the Royal Marines corporeal, I'm guessing he was a corporeal, PTI or something, dropped back and went, are you right, fella? Yeah, I'm not a corporeal. So don't you worry about that in the Royal Marines, we ain't looking for supermen, we're looking for blokes just like you, blokes that don't give up. I thought that was a real special thing, he said to me, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. How did you, were you in the Navy first, did I gather? No, no, I was in the Sea Cadets, and I went to join the Navy and as I was sat in the recruitment, this big colour sergeant walked in and said, would you like to be a Marine? Commando, I said, well, I thought you had to get picked, he said, well, I'm picking you. So that was it. I was 16, I think. Yes, and what was that then, was that recruiting office, did you have to do some pull-ups and stuff? Yeah, I mean, the reason you went, you were homeless, I went to get away from my abuse from my father. I was a very, very talented artist, and I wanted to go to art school and the Royal Academy had accepted me, but I had to get away from the home, so that's why I joined. And then went to deal as a junior Marine. And you don't have to, you know, dip into D-ball or you just tell me to fuck off, whatever it doesn't matter, but was your dad getting physical with you? Well, it ended up that I was bleeding, my back used to bleed with the fishing rod. I used to have to take my shirt off. And my mother made me wait at home in the parlour with no heating when I was eight, because I'd been caught doing something at school, something silly. And I waited in the corner from four to 11 with no heating, no food. And I used to piss myself, so I wasn't allowed to go to the toilet. And then sent to bed. And my father used to ride on the motorbike, and he used to hear him wheezing up the stairs and taking his belt off. And I just prayed it was a strap and not the buckle end, but mostly it was the buckle end. And my brother used to stand in front of him, but it didn't stop. Then it went on to a fishing rod with the eyes. I used to jump in the bath, or I'm told to have a bath. And the water was literally pink with blood. Yeah, it was fucking abusive, yeah. Sorry, it still gets me now. No apology needed, mate. No apology needed. And I think there'd probably be people surprised to hear this, but as I say to everybody, the 70s was, well, I mean, I was growing up in the 70s, I'm guessing you were 10 years before me, but even in the 70s, it was a really abusive time. You know, any adult back then could beat you as a kid. Any, I know it sounds weird, but I mean, I remember times walking down the street, some adult just come over, smack you around the head, right? Yeah, for spitting or something. Or it would turn out that someone had, like, cherry knocked their door or something, and they just walked along and just picked you to, you know, maybe they got the person wrong or whatever it was. And I remember, you know, in school, teachers were just allowed to get physical with you. And now, if they did now, what they did to us back then, and certain kids in particular got singled out. I used to get the cane virtually every day for some silly thing. And if they were really, when I look at what kids do today, there were silly little things. Yeah. Yeah. You know, some of the things that went on, if they did it today, they'd be looking at, like, five years in prison. Absolutely. You know, they honestly would. But that's why half the profits are going to vulnerable children in any shape or form. I don't mind. Yes, good. What was the name of that charity? I'm actually keeping the money in a pot and looking, because me and trees that help people, we've helped the people all our lives, and we look at suitable candidates, if you like, and we personally look after them. Yeah. So that's, it's not going to a big charity, Chris. Okay, no, no, no, that's brilliant. Do you know a guy called Julian? Called who, sorry? Julian. Julian. Ex-Marine, he's about your age. He's living up in Scotland at the moment. Yeah, did you say, did you say Julian? Yeah, it does a lot for, there's a lot of marathons and things. We might have crossed on the old internet or something. Because we're looking after him at the moment, I make sure he's all right. Yeah, yeah, good. We can promote anything that you like, any links you want to send us. Obviously, we'll put a link for the book underneath this video. So there you are, you're trying to get out home. You end up in the marines. Yeah. What was Linceston like back then? Was it, it was Linceston, right? Well, we did deal first as a junior marine. Ah, that's right, yeah, yeah. And then we went to Linceston, which, like you, I used to have asthma. And like you, that corporal, I was going on a run, I had an asthma attack. And he stopped me, Sergeant Blackmore. And he said, you got asthma, boy? I said, no, sir, no, Sergeant, no. He said, you have, he said, now when you get an attack, put your hand up. And I'll tell the team, just hit you on the back of the, on the back with a pickaxe head, on the back of your pack, and it cleared it. And that was it, because they couldn't have thrown me out, but it was brilliant. Yeah, lucky one. Yeah, lucky one. Get a lot of youngsters approached me when they've got some health issues, and they're like, Chris, you know, what do I do? And I say, look, I can't advise you. But if it was me joining up again, I wouldn't tell them, I wouldn't tell them. I didn't, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't have got in if I'd been, if I'd said I have asthma, but he recognised that you see, so yeah, good luck to him. Yeah. And you were saying you, reading your bit about the endurance course. Yes. My, my old nemesis. What a bastard that officer was, because I failed at the first time, and you've only got one more chance. And I've kept in ash, ginger air, ran me right the way round, coming back, he says, you've got five minutes. I actually have 15. I fucking collapsed at the end of it, but I had 15 minutes. I looked at him, I said, well, you've got three rounds, you're all right. Yes. Yes, and what was it, what was it? You went to 4-2 again, we went to the same first unit. 4-2, I went, and we went to Canada, because I was too young to go to Ireland. I was only just 17. And that, that was the start of two years of sexual abuse, mate, in my room. Yeah. And then he tried to pit me out in Florida. And then I chucked one of these blokes apart, and he never touched me again. Blimey. Yeah. That's the thing, isn't it? People tend to hero worship the forces, and they, they don't know the half of it, do they? No, it's just, why JB brought all this out, was he said, because from here on, you were really, and you still are, to a point, a really angry young man. And this is why, because everyone I trusted fucked me over, but I had to fight back. So this guy then, was he ever prosecuted? No, no. Now, I buried it for 50 years, Chris, I didn't even tell my wife. And JB brought it out. I put it right back in time. Yeah. Yeah, it was either a six-month break, when I told him about that one. This corporal didn't get punished. No. And yeah, again, it's, we were saying, when we people hero worship the forces, they don't realize that people in the forces are just human, you know, and take a broad spectrum of life, so you get some really good people, and you get some bad people, don't you? Absolutely. Yeah, but the thing is, you've got no one to talk to. Yeah, especially when you're that young, the pressure on you, I mean, you, if you were to speak out, you're... I'll read stuff out. Yeah, or you're just going to get bullied by the rest of the... We're not, maybe not always, but it's hard, isn't it, when you're what, like 16 or 17? Yeah. Yeah. To speak out about a grown man, it's a difficult thing to do. Very much. Did you do any Norway's in there? Yeah, that's the reason I joined Special Forces, mate. I was in 4.5 after the... I went on ships, and yeah, I took the HMS Danny to Siege. For 24 hours. Tell us more. I've got a girl pregnant in Plymouth, and I went with her to get an abortion. I think I was about 18, 19, and I came back on board, and this leading seaman, I went to the heads, he's washing his hands, and he said, where have you been? He said, well, that's slop, and the red mist came tumbling down, so he wore the two taps and split his head open, and I just left him, and I went, I've got my top bonked. About half an hour later, I was woke up on the floor with the duty watch around me, saying, come on upstairs, or up top, that's how I did, and left 10 and Blackmore, big six and a half, thought he was stood there, and I said, sir, what am I doing up here? He said, you're waiting for the shore patrol to come and arrest you for serious assault. I said, I fucking ain't, and I hit him with the stool, the Bosun stool. Then I went down, I ran down to get back to the mess deck, and there's about half a dozen Marines on there, and this guy grabbed hold of me, so I pulled him, and he went down and hit the metal hatch, got in the mess deck, and they sent the salt majeure in, started to fuck off, but while I was there, I masked Marlin Spikes, tins of, you remember the old Pusher tins of jam, two pound tins of jam, them all on this fridge in the corner, and they had a really narrow gap to get into the mess deck, and of course the boys on the bunks were just pissing themselves. Come on, Tav, you can do it. So the salt majeure came in, I threw him out, the left tenant RM came in, I threw him out, then the fleet RSM, and everyone that came was getting thrown these things up, and the fleet RSM came in then, and he sat here, I'll actually let him in the mess deck, he said, right, he said, now why don't you go make a cup of coffee, and we'll talk about this. I said, you think I'm fucking stupid, I go out there, I'm gonna get hit. I said to you now, matey, I've got 10 seconds to get out of my mess deck, otherwise these are getting lobbed out here. So he said, you're gonna get two years for this, you know, I'm throwing out, I said, don't give a fuck, because I really, I had no reason whatsoever. So they had the big guns sent in the legs diamond, who was massive head of short patrol in Plymouth Dockyard, but he had to bend over to come into the mess deck, so I picked the fridge up, because he was so big, and hit him on the head, and they dragged him out with his head moving out the thing, so they dragged him out, and then they saw a major came, he said, my, 6am, dogs, gas, and lots of people, coming to get you out. I said, all right. So 10 to 6, I put my combats on, my berry, but an overnight bug, and as I walked up the step, up the gangway, onto the flight deck, there was a fucking helicopter, there was lights and dogs, I said, well, I'll come quietly if it's war marine police that I have, and these two RM came in, some of them sitting up, yeah, it was good fun. Geez, what shit were you on? H.R.S. Dainey. Okay, what was that, like a destroyer or something? Frigate. Frigate, yeah, frigate, yes. Did you get any good runs ashore, Ben? Yeah, quite a few, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, went to Puerto Rico, around the West Indies. Wow. Yeah, yes. And then I got 90 days DQs. Let's take the DQs first, and we'll talk about your trips, because I was on Invince for a year. That's HMS Invincible for friends at home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that one. We joined forces with Stan at Fortland. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, sorry, going back, so what was DQs like? Well, Captain Brian Oothway loved the Marines. So he came to me and said, look, in the prison, he said, and by the way, when they transferred me to Plymouth Prison on the dockyard, it was legs dive, and I knocked out who stood there. I thought, I'm going to get the shit kicked out of me now. He said, have you got any problems with me? Edward said, no, not at all. He said, all right, come in. We play cards and drunk beer all night. So it was great, because that was all right. And Oothway said, what you have to do is accept my punishment. Otherwise, it goes to court martial, and you're going to get out two years in prison, out, and then charge civilian. I said, okay, yeah. So he gave me 90 days. Yeah, that was good. I was the only Marine in there, Portsmouth. Yeah, what sort of stuff did you have to do? What did she sell like? Oh, it was just like a little bear painted brick cell with a dustbin, a zinc dustbin. Do we have to polish every fucking night for inspection? And they see again, I was in the dining room. I was a huge queue, so I just sat down. I got me condiments with salt, pepper, pot of tail and sat down. And this Matlow came over and said, what the fuck are you doing, Royal? I went to the queue. He said, you don't sit down till I fucking tell you. And I saw this blur and this fucking Royal Marine. He was an ex boxing champion, colour sergeant. Grabbed this Matlow, slammed him against the wall. He said, you don't touch a Royal, he's mine. That was it. I got left alone all first 90 days. God, I did one night in DQs after getting arrested on the, on the beer. That was enough. Do you have to do fitness and stuff in there, you know? Yeah, every day. I was the fittest I've ever been. And the only time I've ever given them smoking, because the ball suites were better. They either got one cigarette after your meal or three ball suites. The blue liners, you couldn't get any smoke out of them anyway. I came to leave. You're allowed, in the range, you're allowed to choose any draft you want. So I chose to go back to HMS Danny. And they said, you can't. I said, I fucking can. You tell me any draft. So around Oothway, he says, yeah, I'll be back. So I went back on the ship. Wow. Yeah, brilliant. Loved it, loved ships. Yeah. Did you get issued cigarettes back then? Yes, blue liners, which were packed like wood. We used to get the beer, we could have two cans of beer a day. I'll see it. Yeah, say. So we used to save them up. We used to hot, well, stash them underneath the, underneath the, why do you call those cushion chair things in the mess? Like sofas, but they're not really sofas are they? But we used to lift the cushions up and store our beer. We did that for us. And we got this big, you know, the big jerry can, the big families, the big tins. We poured all sorts of spirit and beer and I've got a shit-faced and we shaved our heads in a mohecan with our knives. That's what, that's the picture I saw, sorry. Yeah, well I was absolutely pissed doing that, yeah. And that was Brian Luthway, he said, oh, take your berries off, shave your head. We've got two weeks to stop as you leave then. All right, I'll just wanted to find a picture, hang on a sec. Yeah, for our friends at home, I don't know if you can, yes. May, mid-green, Mitch and Lester Piggart, that's the boys in that picture. And yeah, we're saying about runner shores, weren't we? What ones, do you say Puerto Rico? Puerto Rico, that was brilliant because we played rugby against the US Navy Seals and after it, we had a party on the beach. They had the big bins full of beer, ice cold beer and they said, let's swim across to this little island. So we did and they started doing the theme of shores. And of course, when I get nervous, I giggle and I'm taking in water and we get here on the side and I say, why do you start seeing because this is called Barracuda Bay. I said, you know what, it's full of them. I thought, shit, we just went back, pissed. So we did. Yes, did you beat them at the, what was it, rugby? Yeah, we had tiger beer on the line at halftime. They were doing their sprints and warm-ups and we were drinking beer and having a fag and we still beat them, our skill. Hey, that's where the Navy Seals going wrong. You say it's not enough beer and fag. So how does somebody get into 14 in then? How is that progression for you? Well, I went into four or five, didn't like the ski training and there's a note on the little tiny bit of paper on the notice board saying, if you'd like to wear your hair long, civilian clothes and work on your own, please apply it. So I put my name down, about half a dozen names went down and then I'm literally Sunday morning, towel round me waste and flip flops. So I said, somebody needs wants to see you in the guard room. I went home. She's some little bloke with a bowler hat. I went, what the fuck's that? So I went down to the guard room. He said, you marine ebbers. Yeah. He said, missionally out of DQs and HMS Danny. I said, yeah. He said, well, I'd like to chat to you about your application. So we had a long chat. He said, well, you do seem like sort of bloke we need for an undercover unit. And so I joined and 1500 applied. 80 got on the course and seven passed. Wow. But I was no super fit man. I was, I think I'm pretty much psychologically damaged to be honest. I don't know where my mind's made up. I don't give a shit what anyone throws at me ever. And the biggest they are, as many as they are, doesn't mean a toss to me. So they really, and I like to keep people's morale up. So I was the joker. And my training number unfortunately was seven, seven, seven. So I didn't know I'd get picked on. Oh, the sevens. Better than six, six, six. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That probably suits me more. Yeah. And what training do you do? Because I mean, I honestly have no idea. So for friends at home, we're talking about 14 int. So I'm guessing that's the what the 14th intelligence unit. Right. It's first name was SIU. And even the name secret intelligence unit was top secret. No one was allowed to say the name of it. Nobody, no one we knew knew where we were. We weren't allowed to phone or write unless it was all censored. Yeah, they took it very seriously. And we did the the SAS selection to start with. I believe we did and talk to friends since we did. And then you were taken to a little camp where you learned all the recognition and observation post skills. And it was about five months. And, you know, one night he got used to go back into your room and beds would be empty. And all you went for was a tap on the shelf, which meant you finished. And they did it, you know, they we did million one day. And they lined us up, no gloves. Head to head, roughly the same size. And you had three minutes to beat the shit out of each other. So we did. Some people gave up when the next day they said, I'll land them again. We're doing million again. And 13 blokes walked. They said, oh, sorry. No, that was yesterday. We're doing murder ball. Milt around. They said, no, you've gone go. So it was all he was he's really so psychological as well as physical. But yeah, yeah, I got through. And yeah, so friends at home. So 14 in then is the undercover guys and girls. I'm guessing that the operate. Well, I suppose around the world, but back in our day, it was the Northern Ireland conflict. Purely Northern Ireland then. Yeah. What what what sort of tasks could you expect to do? It was mainly surveillance, unless it turned into a conflict. And then you know exactly what happens then. But we would house people. We would have we had a code, a code book with all the terrorists and code code names. Now, Sam and one sorry, trout one was Jerry Adams. Alpha 11 was Martin McGinnis. And he was in charge of Derry. And he was the main man. I mean, there's there's lots of things in the book. But the one that frightens me the most or two, actually, one was to find an ID and then provides the explosive device. We should be hidden under the flyway in Derry. Fly over. And they were being used to put into shops in Belfast, incendiary on a timer when people got home, but they went. So I could find it. So I found it after a bit of looking and me and blue. I put it in my pocket, took it to a little car park, but after a mile away, open the boot, opened it and took photographs of it. Because each one is wired to a certain person. It's like a signature and then put it back. And when I think of it now, I'm, you know, economy balls blow enough. Yeah. Yeah, they used to for the timers used to use all sorts of weird stuff. Didn't you? Yep. Yep. You could buy them like in bulk, this certain kind of talk. I mean, over the years, I'm guessing everything's been used from egg timers to watches to in recent times, obviously, mobile phones. And I remember when we wrote there, there was a specific time type of timer. You bought it like wholesale. You could buy thousands of them, I'm guessing. And there was a guy in Belfast, one of the IRA players called Toasty Flynn. And he called him Toasty because he'd blown all his, all his face off. Bond had gone off, you know, he was a bondmaker, obviously. And he'd won a detonated in his face. And so his nickname was Toasty. I don't know if the IRA nicknamed him that or whether it was just the British forces. Probably. Yeah, serious old business. And yeah, tell us more, Mike, what, you know, did you get in any scrapes? Yeah, the one, I mean, the reason I put Ultimate Survivor on this is because I probably had more lives than the cat would have. One particular one was in the Kregen. We were told there's an arm stash in the school and the loft. So we did a recce. We came back, got MI6 involved because we were going to bug it. But we did that. And as we were going back to check what we found, we found a bunch of old shotguns in the loft and a suitcase. The suitcase was full of documents signed by McGinnis and there were 30 death warrants. Those documents came back to us. MI6 photographed one of the steps of the ladder and the stock of one of the rifles. And we went back out, photographed all the documents sent into London and heard nothing. So we went back in, but on the way in, we were like silhouetted. And to get through the window of the school, we had to have this homemade appliance which looked a little bit like a machine gun. So little lackeys carrying this and all we heard was this halt. Now, fucking luckily, there was a Yorkshire accent. Where we operated, the army in that area were told, do not go in there. The boys were operating, which we were the boys. This bloke obviously thought boyos, which is the IRA. So he decided to pop an ambush on us. And the MI6 went through this pistol and luckily, he fucking left it in the camp. He left it there. So we got through that. We had to go back. We had to pull out for a few months. But we went back in with MI6 and put the, he brought these two things up. Fantastic. And those completely bugged from then on. So we had the transcripts of the IRA and the movement of the weapons. And they actually got the movies on the tilt switch for stock. So yeah, we got a few good wins. The bloke that made the IED we caught. And that was from housing him to staking him out was my first OP. About seven days eating crackers and gold sausages. No hot drinks, nothing. Yeah, we housed him. Trapped him. Associates to a building. So it was a pork cabin and that was the bomb factory. We got 12 years. Blimey. Yeah, a lot of work. A lot of work. Yeah, I bet. Did you see much death over there? My mate unfortunately got ambushed and shot Jay. And even that is another life because we were both getting married on the same day in March. So we went to call Reign to get our suits. On the way back, he started pissing down. I said, I don't fancy this OP tonight. And Jay said, well, I'll do it because the other guy was his mate from the Paras, who was ex-Para. I was the only Marine there, or ex-Marine. And so he did it and they got they got done. And he died. Bless him. Are you able to tell us a bit more what actually happened? Well, what happened was that there were two terrorists that were living underground where they came out at night. They positioned the OP to cover this area. And they saw the two figures coming. And you've got to bear in mind that the army are told to keep out. So that it's not going to be army. But they've got camouflage suits on and rifles. Now, I personally would have just shot him. Quite simple. Unfortunately, the guy with Jay, and I won't mention his name, because he was a cally mate, actually followed the yellow book. I said, halt, halt. And on the second halt, they sprayed them with rounds. And as he went down, he sprayed Francis Hughes, caught more than the legs. But he made a call, you know, whether right or wrong, it's his call. I was the authorized call. So anyway, we found Francis Hughes in the in the bushes. And that's I'm going to sort of rose gallery of this. And he died on hunger strike. Tony Diamond got away and was never, never caught Jay. Unfortunately, they're both on the same injury. The bullets have gone through their stomach. But Jay's have gone through his pistol and taken a lot out. So either she sat with him as he died in the hospital. Yeah, because I was on control because you have one operator doing the radio to call people in. If the shit, it's a fan and the two operators. Well, unfortunately, yeah, he died, bless him. Yeah, it's a serious end of the stick, isn't it? Yeah. What time? What did you do after the detachment? I was good. I was going to go back in the Marines until I was interviewed by a sort major. They called me a fucking cowboy. And I was going back to Derry as the Royal Marines. And I went, you have a laugh, mate. No chance. Sorry, that was before. It's about a week, a month before. Right? I said, no. So when I went back, I was all bravado. Now this is where I followed McGinnis into a shop because you get all cocky, don't you? The end of your tour. Nothing can touch me. The mate had been killed. I survived. So I'm doing a foot follow through Derry. And McGinnis, he walked into the shop. So I walked in and he wasn't there. The shop was just like a front room of a house. So I picked up a packet of chewing, I'm through 20 grunted. And I had to turn around, McGinnis in a little old cove on the phone. He said, got ya. Yeah, that's when you know adrenaline is brown and I ran. Going black. And I got picked up when we went. Yeah, that was a scary moment. Gosh. Yeah. Yeah, bless it. When we were there, it was, the buzz was that McGinnis was in charge of all important order drugs into Belfast. Yep. Because they had this thing, didn't they? The IRA would act as the local police for the anti sort of drugs trade. Yeah, absolutely. So again, for friends listening, when you hear about these knee cappings, a lot of them work with teenagers that were caught smoking a bit of dope. That I don't know if they got a warning or what. And if it's like second time, unlucky, but they take them in an alleyway. In fact, they wouldn't even take, they tell them to turn up at this certain time in an alleyway. And the youngster or whoever it was who'd wronged the IRA would just have to turn up. Some of them would wear shorts. So when they got shot, the wound wouldn't get infected with cough and cause a nightmare for the surgeon to take the top out. And so they turn up there, you know, roll their trouser legs up, roll their sleeves up and get shot through the elbows and the knees. And that was the IRA, you know, a big part of that was the IRA, their anti-substance use stance, can we say. At the same time as the IRA were importing all the drugs. And the cabs were their transport. Yes. They owned the cabs. Knowed about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those cabs were up to a lot of no good, weren't they? Or some of them, let's say. Absolutely. We saw that when the signalers were shot, didn't we, that the taxis blocked their car in? Did you know anything about those guys? Was it called? Yes, the two guys that got, because we, we had a reunion just after that. Hours in tears because they were two admin guys. Had they been operators, they'd have killed half of them people and got away. But they were admin guys and they'd taken the wrong turn, their funeral. Yeah. And they were butchered. Yeah, I got, yeah, that was really sad. But, you know, rules are rules. Don't do it. Yeah, Corporal House and Corporal Wood. That was just savage, wasn't it? It was off, yeah, yeah. And that's why, you know, and some things I can't say and not in the book, what, what we did over there is quite, or quite justified, whatever happens to any of them. Well, that, that was 88. So that's the year that we went out there, right? Yeah. In fact, no, we went 89. So this was 88. So we're opening up the newspapers back here and all of them are open. And all over the mainstream media was the helicopter footage of these two guys. You saw them accidentally drive into this funeral that you just saw a car. Obviously, you didn't know, you know, they didn't know at the time. The car just shot into this funeral. Then it appeared to panic and try to reverse out that by that time, the locals or the taxi drivers had clicked summons not right about this and they drove to block them off, didn't they? And then lots of strange stuff. There's a one close-up image. You could see the magazine dropping out of one of their brown in nine mils. Because they weren't trained, Chris. Yeah, they reckon that he'd gone to take the safety catch, but hit the, you know, drop the clip. Yeah, so the pure admin, they don't do any training at all. Yeah, they just drive. They do pick us up from the airport. Of course, we would be the backup. Whenever we went on leave, they'd drive us, but they had the long hair as well, you see, but unfortunately, they weren't. Yeah, gosh, just awful. It's just just, yeah, awful, awful. So, tell us, what happened? Did you leave when they asked you to go back in the Marines then? What happened? Did you, is that when you put? Well, he basically said I'm a cowboy and what have you. But the head of, currently in Campbell, the head of the 22 SCS at the time, actually got that bloke's act. That's our major, because he was a failed operator, basically. So we went, we went back out of the stag do for, sorry, awake. Instead of a stag do for the, for Jay and a Marine, a very, very strong, big, tough Marine. We thought when running out into the compound and sort of this, that's not right. And he was going into his boot and he got his rifle out. Fucking everyone was pissed. And I know he has got put a bit of spoil on to make it automatic. And he, he pulled it out. I'm going to kill the bastard. And I grabbed all the barrel and Dave, Dave up. I grabbed the barrel and he put it right in the mouth, right next to the mouth. And as Dave pulled it, he fired. Straight through the dining room. Just cracked up mate, just totally lost it. So we still stripped them, put them in the room and taken away and returned to unit. But he was a, he was a SBS. Yeah, but couldn't take it. But after we found, he hadn't actually been where he said he'd been on the ground when we were looking for backup. He'd been hiding. See, you know, these big tough soldiers, but the head takes over. Yeah, I bet you were fearless, weren't you? Well, somebody died, another operator. Dave, Dave died of cancer last year, unfortunately. As you read it out in the funeral, what a hero his dad was, his mate Dave was. And they all, they all just thought, yeah, that's Dave Brewing. Dave Brewing. Yeah, he was, he did about three tours. Lovely guy. But yeah, saved me life. What comes next then, was that your bodyguard, your bodyguard instinct? I tried to go in the place and I got through. And then John Alderton, the guy with the beard, God in Manchester, because that's where I went to join, knocked me back, tried to appeal, couldn't. So then I went to Devon, I labelled on a building site for two years, lived in a caravan. Can we just, just for our friends at home, let's just highlight there. This is, this is an issue that service personnel face it. Oh yeah. We've got Martin here who's special forces operator, entrusted to, you know, carry a weapon under his jacket and have the, you know, where we've all to know, when to discharge it and, and etc, etc. And then you come out the forces and you can only get a job on a building site. And we've, we've all been there, haven't we? Yep. Yep. Then I was, I was offered a job by an ex-commander of special forces in London, do bodyguarding. So that's what I did for a guy called Prince Banda, Ben Sultan, who was the Defence Minister for Saudi in America. Yeah, did that for a while. Any, any exciting moments there? No, no. Well, carrying his bags? No, very exciting moment when his daughter, who was seven, ran down the hotel corridor into the lift, down into the grand ballroom, a little at night here. And I gave her a slap. Oh, crikey. Yeah. I knew he lost my decent. You never touch. I said, she was thrown a funny all round the door. Yeah. That was about the only sad one, that one job. Yeah. And would you agree that working on a building site in winter is one of the hardest things a man can do? I loved it. I, I, one of the Italian guys that were there, come at me with the knife ones, because I was showing him up. I was sprinting with bags of cement. I was down to 11 and a half stone. I've still got pictures of it now. And it was, I loved every minute of it. I was super fit, super tired when I got home to get to sleep. Because I don't think I do about two, three hours now at night. And that's it. But yeah, I loved every minute of it, mate, honestly. £32 a week. I, I was a bit the same. You know, when you have to stack out the blocks and you just, you start off picking up one and then you, then you picked, and then next thing you're like picking three breeze blocks up at the same time. But we used to have to chisel them apart because the frost would stick them together. And I used to, did wonder where my life was going at that point. Well, yeah. Yeah. I was rescued. I was definitely rescued. It's funny in it how you can be on the bones of your ass, not knowing what the hell's going on. And then at a different point in your life, you're in a completely different place. Yeah. We went to a bedside there in London, we were living. And every time an IRA bomb went off, they had a party because it was owned by IRA sympathizers. I'm sitting in the room going, yeah. Yes. What, so how did you start making money then? Because it sounds like from being on a building site to being a multimillionaire. Well, I went to Washington as a bodyguard, threatened the black, sorry, threatened his cousin because he was beating the black housekeeper. So I got sacked from that. Then I went to Uganda as a mercenary and came out of the coup, very luckily came out of the coup, Crossland. With no weapons. Well, that's in the book. Leave for someone to read. Yeah. Then I went to the contract security base with Chris and got a lot of contacts. And the one guiding force behind all of this is my wife, Trisha. And we sat there one day and she said, you need to start on your own. I said, no, I can't. Sorry, where's the post office? That is a comedy series on its own. You were opening a post office? Yeah, I went around the post office in Devon for four and a half years. Otterton. I heard about that, yes. Bad luck having to come to Devon. Apologize about that. If I was at an owner post office, I probably would have robbed it back in my younger days. But yeah, so how did you go from a post office centre where you are now? Well, I did the contract stuff and then I borrowed £40,000 to build an extension to my bungalow. And it was when they changed the rules. You didn't have to give, usually when you borrowed money from a builder site, you had to give all the invoices from the builders and the quotes. They said, no, you don't need that anymore. You can do what you like with it. And Trisa said, start on your own, out the garage. And I did. I'd cut a long story short, 17 years later, I was turning over 80 million with 2,500 people. My gosh, sorry, doing what? Contract security on the shard, South 42, City Point. I only took big buildings. Lloyd's. So how did you feel then when Matey Boy gets up there with his parachute on and base jumps off? As long as my guards haven't let him on, that's fine. The one on the shard actually went through the railway, because the station owns a third of that perimeter. So not guilty, your honor. Okay, because I've seen a few of those videos. I'd like to get that lad on. If anybody knows that guy I'm on about, get him on my podcast. He gets around all the security. He gets these buildings in London and him and maybe his mate jump off. Yeah, I actually sold three, four years ago. And I gave, I got 20 million. I gave 10 away to family and staff, five million purely to the staff that helped me do it. And the accountant said, I don't know anyone else that would have done this. I wrote all a handwritten letter, because if you do that, they don't get the tax. It's a gift. I'm like, yeah, about five million pounds worth of checks. Blimey. Well, mate, they deserved it. And what can I do with 20? I can't do with 10. Yes. I'm only an ordinary guy, you know. Yeah. Of course. How, how's the book been doing? I don't know, really. They don't keep in contact with me. Welcome to the world of writing. Delicious. Yes. I've been through it all. I've told them about the book, My Carcass. Oh, well done. I cost people in the streets. Yes. Probably going to cost you more money to do that than you'll make. Did you, you know, how do you, how do you go about getting a book together then? Did you have help with it? Or do you? It was Jamie, Jamie Hogg. What happened was I've got a house admitted on the Dales. And across the road was a guy called Alan who used to look after it for me. And I told him a few war stories. He said, well, my son is a ghost writer. And he just finished Brian Blessing. And he said, tell me three stories. So I told him three. He said, if you've got any more, I said, loads. He said, right, I'm going to sit down with it. Two and a half years to write. Yeah, we should thank Jamie because I spoke to him on the phone to get, to get your number and very, very nice chat. He's also the one I go to when I get depressed because I, I do suffer a lot with dark places. And usually I will go and see my grandchildren and Sophia just likes me up. If I'm really bad, I'll just text Jamie and he'll know. And we'll have a chat. Yeah. But he's, yeah, he's a good boy. Yes. So to finish off, we were going to talk, weren't we, about overcoming, overcoming abuse. What I want to angle out here, and I want to be careful, Martin, because what works for one might not work for another. But we do live in a society where I believe we're purposely destroyed from birth with respect to developing what I would call a spiritual self, you know, a connection with something much, much bigger than us. What maybe some people want to call God or whatever. And I believe these psychopathic trillionaires that own and control everything are really clever are cutting us off from that. And I also think that they like to see us suffer. They don't like to see us get overstubbed. This is why we live in a culture where rather than, you know, people have become so damaged that when they have an issue, they wear it like it's a badge of honor, you know, like, hey, I'm going to abuse this. I'm a, and, and, yeah. And I just think it's like a negative start because what I say is there's, you know, it's all experiences. If you can get to love the person you are now, you've got a great life. Like for example, you know, if you've got a beautiful family, you couldn't have this. If you hadn't gone through this life experience when it was good, when it was bad. And I'm not saying that, you know, it's right to hurt or abuse people. No, of course, that's not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is, is if we can learn to learn by it and then leave it, leave it, leave it in the past and move on. That's basically, people say, was it therapeutic? Well, no, I'd pushed all that away. I never, I hardly ever thought about it then. But all I'll say is that me and trees have tried to give our children and I've succeeded. What we never had, which was a close, where siblings looked after siblings, we might be looking at suicide in whole prison because my father threw him out. He hugged himself and I had to go and, you know, do the body. My two cousins committed suicide. So that's inherent. And there's some in my family as well. My children have suffered. I've been to Afghanistan as a Marine and he lost a good body and he suffers, you know. So, but I will never give up on them. Where back in the day, you know, if you were depressed, whether we drove, you're out. Fuck off, you miserable bastard, get out. But that's not what it is. And there's one thing I always, if anyone takes anything but this, a kind word can save a life. A nasty word can cost one. Because if you're on the edge, the nasty one will send you over and the nice one will just lift you up enough to step back from that train platform or undo the noose or put the pills down, you know. And it just people fucking stop being kind to each other. That's all it takes. Don't need therapists. Just everyone looks after each other. They say they could never get up first of it. Well, yeah, it will happen. But first of all, and I'll make no apologies for saying, we've got to get rid of these psychopaths that control it. You know, they want us to be unhappy. There's a better way, you know. All we are to them is a birth certificate because that's registered on the stock exchange for their fucking weird perverts. But there is a better way and we will get there. This is part of the reason I started the Global Veterans Alliance is to use a military approach, discipline, but in a peaceful way to save people, to say these guys don't control the show. Everyone's born beautiful. Everyone's born perfect. Everybody's born equal. Everyone should experience, I don't say happiness, but by happiness, what I mean is when it's not going so well, you appreciate this life just as much as when it's going so well. And this is what they've done. They've done it really clever is they've got people to think when you're facing a bit of a challenge, oh, throw the baby out of the bathwater, nothing's worth. You know, and it's good to get your life in a place where if I go outside the front door and I watch juggernaut run over my car, I just fucking could not give a shit. Honestly, I would laugh my ass. As long as nobody was hurt, I'd laugh my ass off. Whereas what we've got is this society where that would be one of the worst things in people's lives that they're going to piss their pants about and cry like a bitch. And I'm not criticizing the person now. I'm saying, you know, and we need to lead people into the light and to get balance and happiness in their lives and to cry. It'd be nice to one person every day, Chris. That's all people have to do. And they'll take away any power of anybody because they haven't got power. It's all nice. And then you love everyone loves you. That's it. Done. Yeah. And not rocket science, is it Mike? No, it's not. And like you said, I always say you're either somebody that pulls people away from suicide or you're a person that pushes people towards it. There's no, there isn't a middle ground. Nope. And what we're seeing at the minute is a military crisis in mental health. The suicides are through the roof. I know. And yet you've got thoughtless service personnel on their keyboards still giving fellow service people shit. And not understanding that you are, you know, you are the problem because you can get over trauma. You can get over bad experiences. You can get over what happened in Afghanistan. You can, but you can't do it when you've got some fucking knobbed. And sadly, by nature of the psychological makeup of a lot of military personnel, they can be the worst for it. Not all of them. There's some beautiful military people out there, veterans. But there's also some real wankers, aren't there? I've dipped a few. Yeah. You know, if you ain't got something nice to say, just shut up and fuck off. You can have a shot, yeah. Totally. Yeah. Marty, listen, this has been brilliant. Even a revolution! Yes. Yes, it's coming, but it will be a peaceful one and it will be on our terms, not these idiots. Brother, it's been absolutely wonderful. Thank you. I can't wait to dive into your book and then we'll get you back on the show again because I'll have a load more questions for you then. All right, mate. But, Marty, just stay on the line. Well, I'll click the record button off, then I can thank you properly. Then I can, then I'm going to proposition you, but not in that, not in that respect because I know... I'll just take it with yourself. I don't want to get knocked out here. But... You're not comfortable? Oh, hang on. You disappeared. Someone's trying to call you. Low battery. Okay. All right, in that case, I'll pick up the phone to you, to our friends at home. Massive love to you all. Thank you so much for tuning into the podcast. It's been an absolute... Oh, there we go. Yeah. It's been an absolute brilliant one. Martin, thank you ever so much again. My pleasure, sir. Friends, could you like and subscribe and hit the notifications bell? 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