 And welcome to a Saturday Q&A. I was usually I've been doing these on Sundays, but I just got back from Florida I am Not completely tired, but tired enough that I didn't feel like Recording a video and editing a video. So I said y'all just hit the live stream. I've been Catching up on all the things when you're gone for like a week But I wanted to talk about because there's people tagging me in things and you know I think these are always fun discussions and for those you wonder where I traveled to I should always hold my badge up IT you know, I wonder where that QR code goes. I'll put my finger over in case I don't think it has my email address in it I used I was at it nation for a week. So I am back from that Paul. Let me with the mic Trying to get the mic in the right spot but I was gone for a week so I'm back and You know always so much fun hanging out with all my friends and doing all kinds of fun things but uh, yeah, we're gonna jump in a couple topics here and One of the ones and I'll when I put something in here I don't want people to have to hunt for it So the beginning of the live stream is gonna be like the first thing like net data. I do want to talk about it I haven't done a video on that data in a while and I believe right now net data is doing some sponsorships If I wanted to be sponsored by them, I'll figure out if I want to take any sponsorship money But as of right now just so I'm very clear up front. I like net data They've never given me money and I have done reviews of it You can find it on my channel, but I think they just keep improving the product a whole lot So let me go ahead and show you what they've been up to Because I just think it's some neat stuff. They're doing here and actually why don't we start by looking at net data? and Let's see here if you haven't seen it and let me find the right tab. So I'll show you the locally hosted one This here's my gray log server We'll put this up if you haven't seen that data. It's a now. There's a way to make this work in windows That's why I'm reason I say there's probably you need to do an updated video because they've added some features that allow Data to be collected windows, but primarily this is a dashboard That you can use in Linux to give you some really good insights into things. I have no smudging my glasses Sorry, I'll be cleaning them while I talk but the Net data is just a really slick completely open source and free Project that you can load on your servers and really get some cool graphics and insights now I don't really use it like it's something I stare at every day. That's one thing I mean pretty dashboard or cool, but I don't look at them every day unless I have to look at them for something So net data ideally is one of those Services you use or software you use to pull up a dashboard because you'd like to troubleshoot a performance issue whether that be Memory Processor whatever that performance issue might be that's where net data comes in to say hey We're gonna give you all the details and graph it out so you can try to determine where that bottleneck is This is actually an invaluable tool when I was troubleshooting some unique problems with True nas and figuring out the processor bottlenecks related to in crypto drives This was exactly how I use it to figure out to go through processes Look through data that you can take the data and say all right, you know let's just do like the last 30 minutes or maybe the last hour of data hit apply and Start parsing through things to figure out. All right. What do we want on the screen here? What do we need? What's the things I'm looking for a matter of fact because this is my Well bring it all the way up to dash here This is my gray log server So what I'm going to do is log in the gray log and run some queries against it and we'll actually watch the Let me put it on force play Right now it's pause. We want to make sure force playing. I think you're probably kind can zoom it in a little that doesn't look great Doesn't make it that much bigger You'll have to bear with the small font sizes in here But I think you can get the idea of what it looks like a matter of fact, let's do it to Very short time periods. We want last five minutes Apply We want to make sure it's force play which means never pause because it'll actually pause when it's We want it where's the force force play there we go So now it's playing the data back as we go through here. So I'm gonna go ahead and do a couple queries here Do a search change the search to 30. All right Do a broad query so it There updating search results and you can start seeing it as it ramps up the CPU now. It was really cool. Um, I Think net data is like one of those just really great projects to start diving into so I can say all right first thing I notice the CPU. Well, what kind of CPU? Usage are we seeing here for each one of these or let's look at the networking stack how much more networking are we using? Well in this system, we're actually using quite a bit more networking because the queries aren't local They're on the server, but the data that is stored in my gray log servers actually being pulled over an NFS mount so you're gonna start seeing a jump here as the queries go in the number of Network requests that go through how much disk for local disk Well, there's some local disk usage when we're doing this query because some of the database like the MongoDB's here but this is how you can start parsing through and start understanding each little component of this and Sorting out where your bottleneck is like if this query was slow, why is it slow? Did the CPU get maxed out and not have the data come back, you know, it's just a really good program for that and They have a incredible blog so if you go through their blog post There's just so much to read through in here and everything else So they give you all of this stuff for free and they've got nice write-ups on here Like even showing you net data versus Prometheus. They talk about different ways. You can monitor lots of different things The whole team there's awesome. I really like them. I've interacted with a couple of the engineers. I really like it, but but Someone actually tagged me in this today and this is where I will rant a little bit and This is why I like doing live streams because I can just talk about these things It's hard to fit this into a video where someone on Twitter is upset that they charge if you use their cloud now The software is free loaded on your system for free but if you would like to aggregate your data and Do more with it in their cloud environment? They have a fee for that and people are seem to be well one person I should say but not the first person who's commented on it Just someone bold enough to and hey, they did a public lease will put it in Twitter here. I'll pull this up But this is something that kind of drives me nuts when it comes to some of these open source projects and Where was it here? There we go share this tab and I this is on my Twitter publicly for anyone who looks on Twitter I don't know if you have to have an account for Twitter now. They keep changing things But you know, I really like net data project and what they did But I've been using it for a while since the first days along evolution seems to be Along the evolution also seems they are getting more and more close to the rest of the enterprise solution providers Is everything has a subscription? They don't have a subscription. They charge you for their cloud, which costs money That's the part. I don't understand it. I Don't understand the the things that people are going on about with all these companies Like give you free software. This is one of the reasons it's so hard for people to run a open source project because they you know myself I've defended a lot of different open source projects not just neck gate not just that data in this example and not just the XCPNG but those are three of them, you know I have certainly talked about here and I don't understand why people are so Adamant like oh they have to give me their cloud for free But they give you the software for free to run on your own if you use their cloud It has a cost by the way companies kind of need money to keep their company going I mean net data didn't get pretty because someone had a couple extra hours of free time to do it It takes a team of engineers and a business model behind it to really get good code out there I mean, we're lucky that some people have enough free time to donate their code But when this starts becoming a full-time job when we really want to see a project take off and go to the next level for features That's gonna require that they you know Have some money to fund all the development of it. So I don't understand and if I I don't want to be Just picking on this particular person They're just an example of someone because I said using any cloud service costs money That was my response. So, you know using a cloud cost money and they said well, I understand that And I said, how do you propose that they fund the dev team and infrastructure takes to build and run the product and Yeah, the in that data just you know, they replied as well. That's one reason I'm talking about this Thank you for your candid feedback. Well, I'm saying supported at data I'm understanding concerns about the new subscription model and limitations on the free version our goals That and always have been and they talk about all their details here It's but it's their cloud account that they're doing this so yes, I don't understand Doesn't that data have a overhead of its own? Yeah, but it's so minimal. We can probably pull it up on another screen. Oh Much does I don't even think it would register how little net data uses. So let me see if I can Sir filter I can use for this. Maybe I'm not Ta alright, I'm gonna pull this up on a screen here, but It's using next to nothing it would be the way I describe it So compared to everything I was running on this host. I'm trying to see if I can start just by CPU There's not a way for me to pull this up on both screens at the same time But essentially when I run these queries Where you're seeing me find my gray log one again share this tab when I'm running these queries on here and doing this It's pulling about One percent of CPU one or two. So yes, there's an overhead, but it's so minimal It's pretty insignificant, but that's what I'm pulling it. So let me close gray log I'm just gonna share another one actually close this one so the socket stops Let's see how long it takes to go back to zero It's at point seven now with my CPU usage So it's really really minimal. It's not not using much data at all to in the background I mean if you're worried about that if like you are extremely resource constrained You absolutely could start net data for your troubleshooting and then turn it off when you don't need it I've got it running. I think even on I think I got a running on one of my raspberry pies as well And like a raspberry pi 3 it's pretty insignificant Usage in that day now obviously if you had a system that you you can tune that data And if you said let me see if I can find more stuff to stick in there And I wanted to monitor more things as for example I can monitor some I believe it's got some kubernetes plugins If you started putting more data, maybe it'll go up a little bit in CPU But I've never been concerned with net data being a CPU hog at all. So it's always been Really nice. So not not really been a problem there But that's what that's my talk about net data still love the project I completely if you are someone who'd like to use their cloud absolutely Use it I don't think there's a problem when companies charging for usage of a cloud And I don't mind companies that ask for donations and Things like that because you have to figure out a way to fund all the developers for these open source projects It's just the fact of things It's hard to get it's it's hard. I mean if I could just do everything for free I'd never need a sponsor that'd be great, but somehow, you know There's a lifestyle at the payforters the all these lights matter of fact my lights had burned out One of my lights that I used for my studio burned out. They were old, but I had to buy new ones. There's another expense. I incurred You know, this is even on a youtube channel apparently led lights don't last forever As much as I thought they would so let me catch up with some questions here Uh, let's see net data is a great program to use. Hello. Hello. Hello people from all over the place Hello from brazil The land down under so i'm assuming that's australia Let's see here Do do do do do are you still doing the homelab show? Yes, we are We just we did it last week. We couldn't do it this week because I was in florida um, that's where this event is that I was talking about so That uh, I just got back from florida like two or a couple hours ago Hey, john, did your nascale fix the loop back host for the server vms. I sent my first one up earlier I do the ping test and for it ping normally. That's a good question. I need to that is Definitely on my to-do list. I was going to do that tonight. I just didn't Um, I had to roll back my machine that has the vms now I have other machines upgraded that don't have vms and if you have machines without vms, uh, You know, I didn't feel like building a vm just to test this So I don't know if they really fix that But they may have there's a there's a chance they have fixed it. I hope they fixed it Uh, set up a deviant system downloaded and ran a homo system docker container normally So you're saying wait Setting up a bridge Ping test before so you're gonna ping normally. Hmm I'm not sure All everything should be free all the time. Yeah, that is that is a challenge People get so angry when things aren't free. There's you know, there's a been a discussion and read it again about pf sense and People angry that they're charging money. I want my free firewall I want the latest and greatest with the best security updates and I want my firewall for free And I'm like, I don't know how that's a sustainable business model. Um, so people get mad when they charge money for things I'm like, I don't really know how not I don't know. I said I won't overthink some people But I will share this again because I wanted to bring this up kind of To close the loop on that if you will and Oliver Lambert had shared this and it's it's the reality of running an open source software and maintainer fatigue And I'll just drop this link in here for people to read. I shared it on my LinkedIn. I've shared it on A few other places and hey take the time to read, you know, break from an open source maintainer And I spent a lot of times a lot of my time in different forums And I've been spending more time in the xcp and g forums because answering people's questions and everything else And man, some people are just there there's some discussions in there from people that say you're just too much money But I'm using this in a production environment like they're using it for a large business But telling them I don't want to spend any money I just want my free software and they were they're angry that there's not like instant support They bump they bump threads going I I still can't get my 100 vms to work the way I want Well, you know, do you want to buy a support license? Well, I'm not paying you You know, I'm not paying you for your software and I'm just like yeah It's just something that people have a they struggle with a lot But hey, I don't know here's to rant. I'm here actually talk a lot more tech But I wanted to bring those things up. And the reason I bring them up Is I'm curious my mind can be changed on thing if there's an angle I missed, you know, call me out on it Say Tom, you're just wrong about this stuff. And then I said, okay, that's interesting. I'm wrong And there's another perspective I can, you know, deal with there. I want to answer a couple questions though The I got a little behind Answering these questions on blog Thursday. So I've been trying to reply to some of the people Is well because vlog Thursday at Lawrence systems calm, which I'll throw that up here real quick Um, I can I reply from that email address. So I have many email addresses That's why when people try to figure out what email addresses I have different inboxes for things because it makes my life easier Um, I organize everything so I know where someone found me and then I make A time decision of when I will sit down and reply So if you actually looked you'll see like batching is what I do I treat mail like physical mail it comes in groups and then I you know, it goes into queue somewhere and then I schedule a time I'm like, this is the 30 minutes I will dedicate to replying to emails and I'll reply to all the emails for 30 minutes But that being said A few questions that popped up and I just didn't have a time to read Um through all of them when I did the last vlog because it was awkward on a laptop But it's way easier sitting on my desk here Um, but someone had asked me and I did reply to this person as well But they were asking about the homelab 15 which yes, I'm excited. So let me throw that picture up Because I did get the homelab 15 unit in Where is that at? I think I like the case there we go the case off one. It's a bunch better picture But I did get this in and someone says will it support clustering and reality is It's not about this hardware. It's about the software. So they they were speaking about sef clustering Really if you can run linux and get sef set up On a server doesn't matter if it's a 45 drives homelab 15 server or if it's a grouping of and I think 45 drives had a cool video where they did sef with steam decks So yes, you can run this on anything that runs linux. So um That's definitely something to consider if you were going to build a few of these I don't think sef is the right tool unless you just want to learn it I don't think it's the most ideal tool for homelab. It's kind of niche It's not that it's not doesn't belong in a homelab or something like that It's going to be for the niche homelab user. Uh, I I will do some videos on sef coming up But I don't plan to do any um Yeah, I probably won't be like the tutorial guy on sef It's not something if you have a use for it in your homelab because you want to learn clustering You plan to apply this, but it's not like you need sef clustering It's not a requirement if you will uh for the homelab stuff. It's definitely fun Uh, do you have uh dubbing and syslogs journal d's going uh to gray log? Not specifically, but you should be able to ship those just with standard syslog Or our syslog you should be able to ship those with that. I don't think I've seen some write-ups on it It's I've done it before I don't recall having any problems with it so, uh Most of the services that are going to my gray log are not raw linux boxes But more like and we'll pull this up real quick For example, and I'll pull up my hosts And So where's it at? Hold on. Yeah Share this tab You know for this is an easy example is right here Remote syslog and the ip address of the syslog server pf since sends its logs there unifies sends its logs there This is where the xcp and g servers send their logs here So I usually don't have to go in and configure them I've done it before when I was doing some testing playing with our syslog But generally I'm the whatever the tool I'm using is has a syslog and I drop that in there Open source team should utilize the community for testing to save money on testers will allow community have the latest and greatest I mean The problem is not really that at all. I mean that that's not where the issue comes in In if you look up and you can google this real quick and I this is I brought up this about neck gate Look up how much a kernel developer costs and realize that there's several people developing kernels working for neck gate If you're talking about a person who makes 150 to 200 thousand dollars a year Um, it's not about them needing more testers for the kernel You need to figure out how to employ people who make you know, good Good programmers are going to make over 150 thousand dollars a year That's what the status is here in the us in 2023. How do I put those people on my payroll? Build a product and give it away That's the challenge, you know, that's it's not about just we need a better testing team That's a bonus having you know, the open source community help you in engaging with the community on testing. That's a great bonus but It's not the only is it only a really small piece of it Um, let's see tuning in lately Uh, so Tuning tuning in to say hello. I was wondering what is your preferred daily driver linux? So that's bonus if it has Yeah, popo s is what I use every day on my this is popo s. I'm sitting in front of right now That runs my desktop. It actually I my editing system is popo s as well. The only windows computer I have is my um media ingestion server if you watch my studio tour you'll get better understand what that means, but there's a hdmi four port card in a windows machines because it's just easier to do that in windows Maybe it'll be easier in linux one day, but it there's there's less challenges doing you to windows this is a software design for it And that's what pulls all the different cameras in for my videos. So that's why How do you think business is looking in 2024 for it consultants and msp? Really good the conference saw that was great. I would definitely say things are looking good in that space Uh, the regulation is going to push more people to Need even more outside, which is good and bad It's a kind of a burden for some of the small businesses It's a lot to for them to have to do that they didn't have to do before The corporate companies have it, but the small businesses need it as well. So yeah, I definitely would say it's There's a lot more to do. There's a lot more to know and that is one of the reasons I was at that conference When you want a shade home, it looks like stuff is the way to go. Well Yeah, I I mean, how many people need it's a one not a need How many people really need to build because to build a proper self cluster a proper one You need at least four servers. So how many people are going to dedicate four storage servers to their home lab? that's the question if you want to build it right and build it robust and proper We're going to grab four servers And if you were home lab says four storage servers and then everything else on top of it. Awesome. That's great You know, I definitely know people doing that. I'm I am on the other side of the home lab of I have way more servers than the average home lab or I imagine I don't know Uh, there's certainly people and I've seen some I was actually reading an argument Uh on reddit I kind of get it some people because you know if they're working Somewhere that they make really really good money. Sometimes your home lab gets just eccentric for the sake of eccentric Like they bought a dozen servers, you know, they run three petabytes of storage at home because they can afford it I I've yeah, I've done some consulting with I can only describe them as the the children of wealthy people who Uh, just have bought some crazy expensive equipment because they can you know I I'm very consulting with someone. I I want to say a guy. I didn't ask I would I'd throw out there. Maybe he's 17 Maybe 16 fan of my youtube channel had no problem buying hours of consulting and spent a fortune on stuff And I was like they clearly budget wasn't even a concern for them. They were just buying stuff They spent over a hundred thousand dollars on hardware and it was I mean, it's wild. That's cool But it's not for everybody Uh true nascale clustering is still in beta. Yes, it is and only sports smb. Yep Yeah, the the proxmox one is nice. It's not very performant unless you build it out properly But it's neat that it's there Uh, you're getting more useful and a lot more functional software in the old days when many free software products With shareware version. Yeah I'm waiting till the new version of xo store comes out so until The new version comes out. I'm not really messed with the old one. I don't really have a need for the hyper converge storage Seems like stuff in the homelab would be uh, it's like having a tiger for a pet Well, the problem is getting it set up versus when it crashes and doesn't work Uh, that's a whole other thing. So Have you ever been forced to buy ipv for us in a gray market? Uh, look at you 24 or 24 for any cast Uh, I've never bought any of gray market ones. So no, I don't know much about that I use xc. I use xcg. Haven't used xs store. How does that work? Uh, it's It's not it's part of a paid package. They have so I don't really I'm not really messed with it Yeah, they have an ansible playbook for sept deploy. I mean, I'm imagining you're talking about uh, 45 drives Yes, they have a whole playbook that works with their houston os. It's pretty slick. But yeah Have you heard about the zima cube just started on kickstarter? Yes. I have it looks pretty cool No, it doesn't have to be an uneven number for stuff. Uh servers Tom between you and network truck. I thank you both for all you guys networking and projects not everyone Uh, is a negative Nancy in the world here. Thanks. You for the videos. Awesome. Good to hear My lab is silly because it can be absolutely You know, well, you have three nazis you want one more you have space in iraq What it comes down to as well is it's not just the cost of the servers the hardware It's also figuring out, you know, do you want to pay the power bill on that? This is you know, I I seen this and someone was kind of I think they were humble bragging But joking about the amount of electricity they spend. I mean It's kind of wild. I don't know what they're doing in her home lab But they were talking about spending double what their neighbors were uh spending in electricity I mean, it's up to you. It's your money. Um But I always kind of I think about that myself like I can afford a more expensive electrical bill But I think about what can I power down? What can I spend down me and jave? uh from learning linux tv Well, she talked about that a lot of how do we reduce our power bill? What can we turn off when we're not using it? I shut down all kinds of that. I shut off my computers I shut off my studio computer. All this is powered down completely everything goes completely silent anything. I'm not using Is uh, yeah, I try to keep it powered off. I just don't want to spend the money on the power Let's see here Playing with private gtp. It's kind of neat. Oh, yeah Yeah, the uh Jason wendell talked about this the other day was just how good Running your own chat gpt. So if you don't know jason slagle is president of cnwr He was with me at the event and one of the things we were uh, we discussed though And I think it's a great idea is why don't we throw The uh build our own gpt server so we can privately manage we have a lot of data So if we can start looking at it, I think this I'm all in like I think it's a great idea I I worry because that was it started with a discussion. I have a jason I have some anonymized data that I can take about you know notes But I I want to comb through the notes make sure there's nothing in there to identify as a single person or human Um, and you know, what can we do to look at some of those data sets? But I don't really like loading things to chat gpt sound feel like, you know, that's I don't care how private They tell me it is it's not the same Uh, but running our own gpt server. We actually have a lot of things at the office and setting that up and Tuning it and training it on our data where we can just dump everything in there and see what it comes up with I think is a fun project You can cut lumber with your meter. Yeah, that thing just spinning Well, you know in In michigan, for example, if you're if you need to warm your house up of spinning up some large language Metal servers or some more nasts boxes. Yeah, the waste heat going into your house to warm your house. That's a good use case I'll probably spend double what my neighbors do, but it's the hot tub in the tesla. Yeah, that's how I am too the I do have a hot tub So the hot tub and charging my car definitely raises the electricity bill Are you looking to buy any goodies for the homeland for black friday? I don't know I I don't have a need for anything matter of fact, what I need what what I need is Probably to call some friends over to help rebuild part of my network that's This that my need is I have more stuff than fits in my rack So I got to put a bigger rack in so I got to take everything out of the rack Reput it in a taller rack because I was short-sighted a couple years ago when I put this I put this small rack in in 2020 Like when I got the house we put the rack in then we built the studio And I said, oh, you know, we'll just do this. Well, I've decided I just it's gonna be more convenient to have a couple more Things in my rack and I they'll fit. I don't like when they're tight I like to have a couple shelves in between where I set things And I've just gotten lazy about going up to the office and things have accelerated really faster There's actually a lot of stuff in our office because there's projects there So it's turned into I need to put a bigger rack in so I haven't found anything. I need that's on sale I have more stuff If anyone if anyone wants to come over to Tom's house and uh help them rebuild things I can't just invite the world over it. I'm hoping some of my people who already know where I live friends I'll then bite them over There's a the company making a split of Casa and tozima Oh, that's for rating on the features. I'm missing some context. So Uh, a little off topic, but solar power test of charge in home. Are they not viable? Oh, they are I have a wooded lot. So the challenge with me is I have to increase. Um, the I will pull it it's easier. I just show you like the where I live There we go This is the challenge Please note, uh, this is my backyard and there's trees all around me There's no where to put solar panels where they would be effective. So yes, they're good Yes, I would love to have them But it was a trade-off if I went about a house that had some sun exposure It would be great But I have a this is my backyard in my front yard similar of just too many trees in the way I I do have some friends that have a very large solar panels. It's a very effective way to do it Yeah, something I haven't messed with it enough It's in their documentation if you want to read through it How axel store works. Matter of fact, um, they just updated and I'll pull I'll pull this up because I thought this was good profile to They just redid the documentation page And look It's me. I was excited My latest video is in here. Tommy's video explaining xcp and g Also, uh, my friend Raid out. They threw him in there too. So yeah, they're They've they've got a new page where they're updating all their documentation and everything. So it's really cool No, there will never be a version of pf sense based on linux And the reason why is pf sense is too interdependent on very specific functions and free bsd You don't need a 42 rack, but we can do it if you want. Yeah So I got jason jason will work for whiskey But so we'll we'll pour some we'll get a couple beers a couple drinks and uh, we'll tear apart my rack And we'll film it. We'll make a video about rebuilding rebuilding tom's studio lab Talk about, you know, I I I've shown my lab rock here It's it was really nice and then it got a little not nice and I made it nice again I actually last week fixed it up a lot, but now it's full. So now it's just got to be made bigger Um, but I it is still relatively organized Uh, my nas is true nas scale. So it's kubernetes structure running off an old gaming system components 3600 x at the 65 watt mode in bios. Yes My utility says there's one house that uses more power than I do sounds like a challenge. I don't know might be a grow room Here's the question, you know before where's that old, uh picture It's no roof I I thought this was hysterical It's an old picture on reddit But you know, someone's like, oh, can you spot it? You know, it used to be could you spot the person with the grow room? And uh, now people are like, well, you could also be pointing at the person with the home lab Both of those things are definitely possibly true Uh, we also know where it's cloudy a lot in the fall and the spring Yeah, jason lives relatively close to me and same thing You can get an roi if uh on your Good return on investment on your solar panels under the right circumstance. So my friend has a farm out about 15 20 minutes from here. So he's there's it doesn't take long to get out to the farmland from where I'm at So maybe about 20 minutes away And he's got a giant barn like a really big old barn and he put solar all on one side of the barn He runs everything off of that. It's it's really impressive and it faces The barn was just perfectly positioned on that side where you put the solar panels to face south at the right angle So you didn't have to build any special you know, uh Make it look kind of funny. It just sat right on the barn that side of the barn faces south And he produces a lot of electricity with it But once again, there's no trees on that side of his barn or anything like that So it's there's always challenges when it comes in there Uh, there was a company in europe to place a server in a house apartment. He uses a heater Yeah, raspberry pies Raspberry pies, uh, save you money. This is um, actually this has a noctua cooler in it I don't I don't remember why I think it's because we had one and we didn't take the little things off Uh, but this is another raspberry pie for it. You know, these are fun. I love setting projects on because It feels like I'm being efficient And they're pretty fast Yeah, I think that does look I think I would Based on the license plates. I'll say this is in the uk here Normally, uh, grow houses by pass meter Uh, we don't this we're not Close enough to a coast I guess if you got up by the great lakes here because I'm in michigan detroit area There's there's some definitely wind farms that are right against like the great lakes But right where i'm at it's not particularly windy. So they're not as Is it it's kind of flat and we have trees. So you have to build wind Uh mills way taller than the trees. So they're not easy Uh, what are you doing to install that for what are you going to install on that 45 drives unit? So on the homelab one I plan to just wrote I'm going to load linux. I'm going to load um The Houston os on it. I probably already has it on there. I didn't I didn't boot it up yet because I haven't it came in And I had to fly so like I came in I went up to the office I unboxed it took a couple photos and then I had to fly to florida So I didn't really have a lot of time with it. I just got back from florida and I didn't Uh go up to the office and I was like, yeah You know, I planned to probably just run linux on there. I'm going to run linux zfs and Probably a bunch of stuff in docker I'm going to use it natively with docker Instead of trying to load something on there. It'll be basically my Awesome linux box that I'm going to run. So I'm just going to be very manual with it I'll probably have portainer on there to help me manage docker But it'll be just a whole lot of docker stuff and then a zfs array so I'm going to really play around with it from that perspective and Start building it out that way. But yeah, it's it's probably not going to get I might do some testing with xcp ng on it for funds or maybe proxmox But more than likely it's just going to run linux and go from there Your great login will marry your video blue mera videos are great They really help you fix the noisy default deny rule log entries that we're showing up in a lantern face. Awesome Uh, what features Allow you to use single ssc for guest internal net access is done by mapping passwords to different vlands What is required does the ap switch and firewall need to be standard? um, so this is a feature that I showed cased on alta and I think it's in release candidate for The 7.5 series, I forget the exact number, but it's a release candidate that has this in uh for unify So it's a feature of the access point And the access point then can take the password and determine what network someone belongs on so they can have one ssid But the password given will land them on the network that is supposed to be on there Um, I would be running debbie in on that So debbie and it'll be my uh, generally that's my distro choice for servers Oh, kasa os is the company offers the ability to raid the uh, yeah has a raid Probably had to use sure nas to zima cube. Yeah, the zima cube would probably be sure nas to be my guess Would what would I would run on the zima cube? and what Priority would you start to ups things? Everything that's important goes on the ups I need more context to answer that one there Uh, when building a production class open source sure nas solution Do you see an advantage of running sass drives instead of sata? Yeah, there's it more specifically enterprise drives are different And I want to do a discussion with 45 drives go back and listen to the 45 drives podcast their first episode of what's spinning And there's a good story about why to use enterprise drives, especially in production environments There may be exceptions where you don't it may not matter as much but pretty much You're gonna want to use your enterprise level drives on production not just about sass, but more specifically enterprise ones because there are some definite advantages to doing it and There's a story that they shared about a customer that called them that was having all kinds of problems with a large Seth closer and they realized by buying consumer drives They created a bottleneck and it wouldn't perform near what they had thought So there's there's some performance about how many how the queue depth works on there And the overall longevity longevity of those drives. So yes, definitely some differences there Um, I'm not in a hurry to get a raspberry pi five because I have fours that I'm not I have a few fours in use. I have a four not in use. So until I've used up all the raspberry pies I won't buy another one not I have too many other things going on Can you get sass drives with dual actuators? I don't know. I Wendell talked about them. I don't know what all model I don't know what all models are available for that I can't wait for pi five compute modules makes for a nice nas or a nice ssd nas. Um No, I The problem with the red true nas hands down is one of your best nas softwares out there. So we'll start with that True nas. I don't know if they're ever going to make a raspberry pi edition I just don't think that's anywhere on their roadmap at all and so I would say Probably you're gonna end up with nas being Still on x86 for quite a while. I don't I don't foresee for some of the limitations that the Arm is going to make the leap into the nas market D there's gonna be niche there's things you can do with it, but I don't think it's really that Ideal if you will um, it's not a never it's not a no. It's just not likely But I could be wrong. I'm fine if someone says tom didn't you know this company's Rebuilding this incredible nas software all with an you know arm based system. I'm all I'm all in I I like the concept because I like, you know, how power efficient that can be but I just don't see anybody doing that right now I think it's just too much of a compromise a nas and a pi will always be a compromise and I think that's it Yes, this is another thing like a pi doesn't have enough pc i lanes. So this is one of those We it's pc i lanes, but then we're like, okay, we need some interconnectivity So we need a an hba controller and you run to problem of where do I get drivers for an hba controller? Are the hba controller companies going to start building out drivers for the nas as well and This is where it gets kind of to be a problem Tony francisco good to see you here on the live stream Tony's a friend of mine that I always enjoy seeing he's actually he lives in florida somewhere I don't know but he met me at the event in florida. I don't know if he drives your flies here I don't know I don't know where you live other than florida and if you told me the city I have no geography in my head for where things are in florida A pi nas should never be used in production environment to play with it is heavy Neat thing for sure never for anything important I mean, there's all kinds of cool things that may be important that you're on there And jeff talked about that jeff gearling has a really great review on that really high-end server Loved it great video definitely something to talk about but You know, it it's still kind of niche right now But let's pull up do to do to do Let's swing to some different topics real quick here. One of the ones I'll swing to real quick I'll pull this one up Logging in one of these servers No, I can't log into that one um I could I'm trying to find server doesn't have any personal information How about this one? Yeah, I can show this one But I want to bring this up to I've been testing the latest pf sense So for those of you wondering there's a few things I'll talk about on this first I talked about it the other day and vlog Thursday. This is this is the dedicated video I'll be releasing tomorrow because I got all my notes for this. I've been updating systems but they released new versions of pf sense And I've been upgrading systems to it So we have netgate releases the pf sense ce so once again Another release of ce so all the people that told me ce is dead never getting their release can be told again I think I've been doing this for five years where I start those videos out with for all the people that told me ce was dead Say this version is dead because you've been saying it for five years of me doing videos of telling me This is the last version you're ever gonna release Anyways, uh netgate releases ce version 2.71. Can you tell I'm annoyed by people sometimes? Sorry folks but the uh big deal here With the pf sense plus and c and I'm just gonna bundle these updates together because they're really the change and This is the big bundle change, which is the open ssl upgraded to 3.012 The one one of the challenges right now is the people were Um Someone is arguing me on my last vlog about this not being concerned about open ssl 111 not being supported. It's deprecated in september of 2023 There's already been a cve found in it. It's not. I don't think it's major I don't know the full scope because last I looked it hadn't been a sinus score yet It sounded like it was more of a generation problem of the way it was generating things But I don't know. I haven't read the details on it. Nonetheless The bigger deal is just the fact that they finally are getting All these things updated. This is not easy It took netgate who works on this with a pretty big team Quite a while to do it and I've been commenting that this is something that is Behind an open sense of them not getting this done because they don't have the team to do it And I I'm assuming I don't know it sounds like resources are just limited and this is kind of a channel So pf sense you can do the release candidate, which I tested it works fine And I've tested the I've been upgrading systems as soon as I got back from florida I went back to upgrading systems to the latest version. So this system here This is the one that's doing the live stream right now Um, yeah, 2309. I'm running the latest version for Uh, this system. So, yeah, the I've been recommending it. I the one thing I will say is a bit This is going to be part of the video the dhcp server is The kia one Kia dhcp. I'm trying it on this system But I'll be that'll be a talking point. You don't have to do this But I found bugs, but oh, I didn't find them. I ran into them. They're already known by other people I I just found them the hard way and then I realized other people had found them as well But there's some bugs in the new dhcp server, but this is another talking point So it'll be the open ssl, but I've been upgrading a lot of these systems doing tests I even tested the rc release just for a hell of it and it's been pretty good So if anyone wants to jump in the testing hey jump in the testing on this Uh, but the pf sense ce is going pretty well now something else that they announced That I want to bring up And this is something we talked about this internally at the office And I post it on linkedin post on twitter about it. And it's the fact that squid is dying And netgate is also getting rid of squid. So yeah, it's all going away I'll be talking about this too. I'm gonna kind of I I have a longer video I want to make tomorrow about the changes in pf sense the changes to squid and the changes in both versions of pf sense Well, let's see here Hey, Tom, what about st augustine texas? I have not been to st augustine texas. I don't know where that is Uh, there's not any open source tools to manage all your pf senses You can use if you look at my forums people have posted some ansible scripts to do it But there's no like no one has built any open source tools for that So you catch up on all the questions Look at a configured packet fence knack I want to know if you've ever configured pf sense throughout a single vlan and subnet across the vpm between multiple sites I mean technically if you look at my video on the topic of Doing a privacy vpn Just connect it to someone else's site and then that you can also use it to take an entire vlan and send it across It's just that's just routing Policies you can in the routing you can choose what gateway it goes out and you can choose that gateway to be a vpn for me neckate doing a release In reverse to the plus subscriber. She is updated first router community in case there's a problem for the community We have tested first. It's not backwards. It's it's actually not it's because of the level of testing that takes Is why it does that and how there's there's a cost to building pf sense It's not like you just click the compile button and it goes the teams dedicated to it Have a cost to them that build each section was the same build team, but they do build pf sense plus first Why is quid dying it just for the first time it works? Finally good with the windows updates. So sad. Yeah well, it's Let's talk about why squid's dying here. I think I caught up all the questions, but we'll talk about why it's dying So unreasonable all security probabilities. This is one of the reasons they're dropping it completely makes sense The register and we'll talk about the person who actually did this and you know, let's just drop it in here I'm not going to read this to you But we'll throw some links in here There's a link there. I posted this before on twitter. It didn't get any engagement I post on linkedin. It got almost no engagement There we go. Whoops. All right And we'll go here Here, all right We like to say don't panic, but maybe squid games 25 security holes still in patch and proxy after two years now public Here's the too long didn't read those really simple Um, they don't have the time to fix it. They don't have enough people. So if they don't have enough time to fix it And where was it at here? Hmm So I'll find the exact phrase he used so I'm not I'll actually quote it Huh right here welcome. This comes back to what I talked about earlier and we'll pull this up and make it big However, they are effectively understaffed. So everyone's going. Please make the squid work Oh my if the if the developers tried to charge for it and put developers behind it People would probably lose their mind get the pitchforks out going no, they're going to charge for squid It's open source. I should get it for free and this is the problem there's not enough people working on it to fix the bugs And without enough people to work on and fix the bugs the project just kind of falls over like other projects So, yeah, um, it's suffered from a lot of open source projects tons of people using it. No one contributing back to it and Eventually the project just kind of fizzles out to where the couple people that are maintaining it They go do something else and they don't have time to fix all the security problems in it So I don't know what this means for everyone else who's been using squid or how customize Each version because whether you know this or not Companies like Cisco companies like 40 net many of these companies and because they're black boxes I don't know exactly what they use but sometimes when you get to see within the software I imagine a lot of them are using squid under the hood. I just don't know how Customize their version of squid is that's the question Uh, and whether or not they're able to mitigate all of these or not Yeah, so It's just uh, yeah It's a challenge and that's what's happened to squid. Uh, how do you get the lighting on your cam view so nice? I watch my studio tour. I how my studio setup is all it's if you type in studio tour Just find the most recent uh when I uploaded Open as the cells required for my install of minecraft server and a bunch of server and proxbox I think this could use a more recent version now. Yeah, this is there's so firewalls are obviously a big problem to use this because the VPNs defend on open ssl 111 Um, and they need to be upgraded. But yeah, this is a challenge for lots of other software too Free software is expensive. Yep Why is the new dcp server being deprecated? Good question And that is because I won't like pull it up. Um, where is that right up here? Do do do do And the reason why is because the old one the the other dcp server has been deprecated So this has actually been a feature request because they knew it was doing it's taken seven years to rebuild it and Start putting this in here. If you don't recognize the name christian mcdonald He's actually wrote some of the functions for pf sense. He's got it He's got a youtube channel where he's posted some videos as well But yeah, it's taken a long time and it's because the old one got deprecated This this is one of those problems and someone has to do the heavy lifting of rebuilding the code that makes all that work You can't just swap dcp servers. There's a lot of functions that need to come with it So that's pretty much what's happening So oldest I have zero, uh instances of proxmox running. So I don't use proxmox in production at all I've played with it I don't know. I like xcp and g better But lots of people like proxmox and use the one that makes you happy as well. I like to tell people but The kia server for sure is uh Yeah, hold on. Let me find it and sit in this documentation There we go and share this one but Yeah, there's it's in a neck gate documentation So you can see this is this mean iscd. So you won't work anymore. No Why you're doing this now is simply time to end this project is very mature code It's not designed instrument for testability. So all the point blah blah blah What's changing? And then I talk about this. So it's just these are what these are the fun things that happen and It this is one of the things that really people may not realize as well primary maintainer from 2005 to 2010 20 2016 And thomas all the way till 2014 or present but yeah, there's There's not a lot of people in here. Um if you hadn't noticed so yeah it's there's uh Challenges of open source. There's not many people doing it people may not realize how few people do all of this work And this is why it's so important to support these projects because you know If these people are doing especially if it's not their full-time job and it varies Uh neck gate as I brought it up. I know it seems to you bother people but neck gate for for all their follies and some of the goofiness they are donating heavily back to the open source Free bsd project they they represent a pretty substantial number of commits for the project they sponsor on this What's happening? I'm not even sure what's happening. So that's uh That's my old rant on pf cent squid and everything else Had a client scan a qr code this week entered mem 365 info, of course not random countries that dumped in log into portals We're wondering how a huntress and three say I missed this and never alerted. Uh, that's a hunter's question. Um There's probably more to the story. So I would I would dive in with uh huntress and figure that out Without knowing your environment without doing the investigation ourselves There's always a lot more context that I would need to give you an answer. Um They they are very public on it and there's sometimes just was it connected properly? Did they have the right telemetry in there? Was there some thing stopping them from doing it? Um, those are all those are all the questions that you you'd have to ask them I can speak To the things that I've done because I get all the data about them so I can explain them better But when I don't have the data, it's not easy for me to answer just as a general question What matter in fact, I we helped someone at the event who had a Security incident and I was really puzzled once again didn't have all the data from them and they they weren't clear at first We figured it out Where they were missing a bunch of telemetry data to give us for the security incident Turns out the reason ever since telemetry has they uninstalled the agent that I have the data I think that's what I heard they either uninstalled it or deleted and reconnected to another agent So first I was like well all your telemetry data that would give me the history of this to hunt this data is missing They realized it wasn't exactly missing they had set up the agent differently So I didn't have the information anymore. So once again context of how that was connected Um xcp ng is free. So if you get Start at their site here You can download it. Um, I have a video talking about how it works, but yeah It's a it's more enterprise focused than proxmox So I get why homeland people really like proxmox and I've been trying to play with proxmox, but oddly Um, the one of the systems I have doesn't like it. It doesn't like the network interfaces on it Which then I learned was a known bug. It's supposed to be fixed in a future release Uh, because it's got the intel 226 cards and there's there was a bug There's a way to get around it. It's just it was I was lazy and didn't do it I have another system that I am going to load proxmox on I'm probably going to load. I have this box too, and I'll probably load proxmox on this Well, you may have seen patrick from serve the home review some of these. They're pretty cool But these are the Silly named r8 six s boxes. So It's kia. Good kia's beta Uh, there are some shortcomings with the kia server. I can tell you that let me pull one up So we pull this up here And you can find this in their forums. This is a discussion. I'll drop a link in it But this is in their forums Just recently posted in the netgate forums talking about what isn't going on what isn't working in there. So yeah You know, that was a question someone asked me. I forgot to reply to them Someone asked me about setting up, uh net data and pf sense. I think that's a terrible idea Personally, I try not to load extras on my pf sense, especially things that bind to Uh, the ip addresses I won't I don't think But I don't know I don't think it will mess with the firewall and cause any insecurities or instabilities But I don't know that it won't cause any insecurities or instabilities So I would not run this mip. I would not run that data my pf sense If it gets in as a package First, you know, cool if it gets to be officially vetted by netgate, but until then no Uh, how good and quick is email support with pf sense plus tech light? Just got this week after I brought the 120 and back. I would say great I mean, I've never had a problem with their support. They're very very knowledgeable Uh, the beauty I find the proximizability to run nested virtualization I have a couple esxi hosts on there. It was the easiest way for me to get around the esxi eight hardware restrictions And you can do that here if we go to Here, um, I'll make it bigger There if I just click the button, that's the nested virtualization button for xcpng. So it has it as well You can do it In either one of them. So uh use if you need nested virtualization That's an option on on the vm itself awesome that uh Jeff So good to see jeff geerling here Um, jeff jeff joined us after us talking about arm But I did mention that jeff's got that amazing video on that super fancy server So definitely worth looking at and jeff is both jeff's jeff geerling and jeff from craft computing jeff craft computing already has his video out there I just got back from florida. So I don't have a video at all yet But yes, we're all excited about our homelab 15 servers. I 45 drives are just good people That's the best way I can describe it. They You know, they they have been just amazing to work with and amazing supporters of the community I I think that they They really hit it with this product. Well my you know, I haven't I haven't even had time because I was so busy at the event to watch Uh just videos, but yeah Oh, cool. So a lot of shame sneaking a little bit of time before the kids bedtime. Yeah Yeah, yeah, that's um The always trying to find those little minutes in between Uh, would you use nested virtualization in production? Has there been a time I've had to to solve an unusual problem? Yes Is it something on the day-to-day basis? Not usually needed, but There's definitely been times where That is how you solve the problem Uh, w in 11 more stable than 12 or I would say 12 stable I've not had any problems. So they any of my 12 servers have not had a problem at all Docker and docker kubernetes and docker anyvm is as far as I've gone Uh, would use in production. I think you asked that or I already answered that Uh true nest question is it safe to run raid on all mvm SSDs or enterprise? Are there enterprises for that? Oh, yeah, they I mean you you can run it on consumer But you would be better. It depends on the performance you need. I mean, what's your budget? Budget constraints are often what drive so many things and if your use case is fine with consumer drives because you don't need The performance that you may get out of enterprise drive then use those I'm using consumer ssds on a couple systems that are in a mirror because it's fine for the workload. I have it works perfect for A client that says hey, I have this level of iops requirements Okay, does that iops requirements and how long will you need to keep that iops up? So how long are these drives going to last once you start determining those things for the projects? You're like, okay. This is definitely something that is going to need a higher level drive Uh, what's the hba card in hl 15? I think they're all lsi cards. It's I think it's the same card It might be the same card that's in my um 45 drives q30 most of them are um, I think they're I'm pretty sure I have to look back at that video to remember lsi cards Consumer ssds are fine where they fit the use case Yeah, you know, for example, I talk about If people who watched my videos enough, I'll talk about my purple nas and the only reason it's called purple nas is because through Something I got actually abandoned at my office oddly Um, someone abandoned a system with some hard drives in it The system was dead, but the hard drives hardly had any use on them And I said, huh, I mean this is just goes back. These have been running for a lot of years But they're a series of let me pull the disc out Dis up not out. Where's the smart status? There we go these are a bunch of wd purples That are been running for years. They're only 5400 rpms But they're 10 terabytes each So, you know, they're 10 terabyte drives. Well, what do I do with those drives? They're just copies of all my videos So I back up all of my videos every hour that way as I produce content or edit content every hour They just go synchronize over to the purple drives Well, maybe it's every couple hours But the downside is they're going to be slow to recover So if I need my all my if my main server is crashed and I need that data back It's going to take a while, but I'm fine with that. So it fits my use case to use these older purple drives Whatever ssc ssd. You decide just don't avoid real techs. Just avoid real tech That they're always a headache Do you separate vnc rdp software for xcp and g if so which one? Nope, I never use vnc or rdp. Oh, I mean windows rdp. I've used that I don't really rdp to the things that are actually most all my stuff with very limited exceptions that are running at xcp and g is Linux servers, so I just ssh into there Raspberry Pi security cameras. That's a that's a jeff geerling request. Um security There's actually a project for this What is the name the project got dropped but came back Trying to find the name of it bonus points if someone didn't shout out the name in there I did a video on it a long time ago motion eye pie Is motion i os is it still going? You got to find your github This was a pretty cool project for a while to build uh for raspberry pies I I used to use it um to monitor some things at my old house So it looks I think it got going again Nope three years three years Nope, I guess not I don't see any recent commits Yeah, so this project is still dead. It was a cool project for a while Hopefully, uh, someone picks up or there's another one out there If someone knows of another one besides motion i os was you said someone said ollie asbury Hmm be pretty cool. I mean I think it's kind of neat because you can build these the downside is raspberry prized are nice But there are some limitations to what they can do They have an integration with home assistant cool Who is the expert on youtube for open source video surveillance systems that can run on churnass No one because there's no good software for it. That's the downside. Uh, I think Let me find Close the tabs And i'll pull up. I haven't watched a video But I know someone just did a Hey, um free, all right Frigate it's the one i'm looking for if you look for videos And i'll share his video right now but Besides frigate, um, I don't know much else out there. That's particularly Like good, let me just jump around this video a little bit You got a member I didn't watch this video yet But one of the reasons this video is kind of a lot is walking through and he's probably got a write up on this Let me find the write up as well so I can just share that There's just a blog post on how to set up It none of these are like easy turn k turn key setup. There's always a lot more to them Um, so yeah, here's the whole write up. I'm setting up frigate But if you're looking for something as easy as like a sonology I don't know anything in the open source world that even comes close to that so You know, that's that's the problem It's not like it's not like there's not anything out there open source that can run cameras There's not anything that's like feature complete that doesn't require you to spend a lot of time building it out I'm not a macOS person. So I don't know Uh, just commenting your video library has not helped me but inspired me to do and learn more awesome I don't think you're going to get any good video acceleration out of raspberry pi Uh, is zfs designed for running vms or one or more storage I find vms on raid z1 are not very snappy with eight wd red rush drives been running I mean, that's just a problem of the speed of the drives And how many it depends on how many iops you need if you need if you have a vms that have a lot of read and write You're gonna have to get something other than those drives zfs has no problem Working fine with lots of vms. We have lots of vms for our system and it's backed by zfs. It works quite well It's really really fast. We have a very performance system for it. So if I look at storage this is on And whatever's going on. We know what's running right now But like ours. This is one of our systems at the office. There's no problem running High speed things on here and zfs, but it comes down to the system you have we have me Can I change this just running vms No Yeah, whatever there's a like 18 drives set up on here and they worked perfectly fine A kvm over ip product. That's affordable I mean if you're looking for commercial or project because the raspberry pi kvm is probably gonna be the cheapest and If you look up the Pull this up. I have one of these And these are relatively cheap. This is the bly kvm For all winner. I'm using this one right now. I'm gonna do a review on it pretty soon This is the cheapest one. I'm aware of if you're looking if you if you're really budget conscious cheapest one I know of is this right here Yeah, pie. This is based on the pie kvm project, but it's an all-in-one box What about closed-source surveillance systems on youtube? I would go with synology surveillance station I've got a lot of videos on them. They're probably synology is probably the best one out there that I've seen for The affordability and security and doing something right What are the options for have a software with proxy capabilities and pf sensors going to shut down? What do you suggest? I don't need a proxy. I don't I don't know what I would use a proxy for So you could build your own proxy? But you are gonna if you because most of them are built on squid if you're looking for a caching proxy then Squid is pretty much it. I don't know what the alternative of a squid is in the open-source community at all Yeah, he has a great channel very concise write-ups for sure Are there some assistant pikey? I'm joining cost about the same Uh, what's the longest time you had on a server? I've had four and 20 days on proxmox We update them. So there's no I don't set those are fun in my early In my youth now we have to update things. So Uh uptime is less of a concern It was not less of a game anymore because it's pretty much. Yeah, we need to get these things updated I want an open-source solution for vdi infrastructure at windows machines I want the user to work with thin client and pc screen. That seems like a bad idea That's like a band-aid on a problem. I'm not a big fan of the vdi solutions I can't wait till they all go away All the citric stuff that is written really poorly Yeah, I I don't understand that a solution most things the world has moved on It's more about delivering things as dynamic web pages and using your browser to connect to applications rather than Trying to figure out how to render something across there. That's just to me a band-aid on it like Trying to deliver apps that way doesn't make a lot of sense It's the old way of doing it not the new way of doing things Uh blue iris is a good windows video system. It costs money in addition to the windows requirements Yeah, I've never liked it much when I tried it. It felt clunky. Um, but people like it. It has a lot of iterations It's it's some people really swear by it and love it. I don't like the fact that it runs on windows That's my feelings, but hey, you know Uh, Synology just a server side of things or do they have cameras as well? They have uh, Synology supports like a few thousand Different cameras or you can buy Synology cameras Have you ever given sofin xcs for home lab? No, I don't some people like it. I have no interest in using it It doesn't solve any problems that I want and I don't like the fact that it's straight up closed source I if I'm just going to go with some closed source commercial firewall I can do that But it's just a closed source firewall that you have to register with them for to keep it alive or whatever I think that's how it works because they have like a home edition But I think you even need to get the license to get the home edition to work Hi from 38 000 feet. I'll assume that means on a plane If it ain't broke, don't patch it. Oh, that is how we that is how we got into the situations we're in Uh, new viewer a huge fan worked, uh, huge fan of your works Would love you to see do a walkthrough for in end user home lab style ups set up and use cases um I it's the same of any use case. I've got a whole video on ups if you look I I haven't done many But I did a deep dive just with with a friend on ups systems So I don't really know. I mean I can't beat uh techno tim's video on Using nut if you want to use that and that's the open source tool to manage shutdowns of things And his video is solid on it. I have a video on different ups types But I don't know what the in between that is like I have everything on a ups I there's nothing I didn't I don't want on a ups So I am correct. You do need a license for the home edition. Yeah, there's nothing about it that makes me excited enough to use it Uh christian lempa does some videos on it. Um, so there's someone out there doing videos I I just don't see the benefit to me doing the videos on there Sophos firewall is free does need a license and registration. Okay Some people say like I said, some people really like Sophos. I've had other people tell me they don't like Sophos I I don't know. I don't have an opinion either way on it Well, that was short lived had drawn because someone's playing with a kitchen cabinet to earn and somehow got to pop off Oh kids create projects They're they're definitely really good at that. They um, they will they are endurance testing things. Jeff So I wish you luck with that They they will um, they will test unexpected use cases of all kinds of things in the house And I as a child I'm positive. I swung from a door or two I I'm also I I remember breaking a lawnmower when I was a kid My my dad loved to remind me that um, I took the lawnmower more apart than he could put it back together And apparently more apart than I could put it back together either I was quite young at the time, but I I always I've been always born to take things apart True that is if the, uh, honey do list wasn't long enough Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is uh, I I am happy my youngest is 17. So They they only ask for money and break expensive things Um, I want to read the details to make sure I'm right about what they're suing them about I I heard someone and I have not read this but someone said it was insider trading And well, and that's a different topic than security. So is it insider trading or It comes down to what the details are It it's not like any of these court cases are going to be a real deciding factor In terms of like setting a case precedence if it's just if it's just insider trading Well, that's already stuff these people get in trouble for anyways as they should Because if you know about a breach before a breach becomes public and you're holding stock in that company And you then take that knowledge to action on it. That's just insider trading. That's not even That's not like the sec breaking new ground and building a better security system. That's Just insider trading But a new rack will arrive happy to know it's can get assembled at the office next week That is awesome at some point. Jeff. I do want to wander down your way to see your building It's been really cool watching. Uh, you build it out Uh, yes at 17 they start breaking cards and breaking hearts. Yes They they change the complexity level of what their what kids do My youngest is 17, uh, the my the the other ones, you know, the other ones have been pretty trouble-free So I've been lucky. I've been blessed with that. They haven't given me too much trauma Uh 4g 4g 5g backup way in what hardware are your customers using we have so few people using that I think I have a couple using peplink All my local clients are in areas where they have dual connections. It's cheaper Uh, they can get like we have client fibers their main connections. So high speed fiber is primary Their backup connection is a cable modem And we have a lot of clients where the dual stack option and it's faster and cheaper than a 5g backup Uh, they're suing them for their security practice as well as one of the execs I I'd have to understand exactly because how do you set the standard for security? This is this is the case precedence that needs to be set. How do you judge that? because that is the exchange vulnerabilities are a great example of Microsoft had bad information about how to patch Got see the dog as the twitter handle goes or mastodon handle got see the dog tweeted the right instructions So let's say you're someone tasked with a patching exchange Because you're a publicly traded company and you run exchange Who do you follow a twitter person who says here's the proper way to patch microsoft exchange or microsoft to actually at the time Had the improper way to patch exchange. How do I sue someone for not patching their servers? When the person making the product the company making the product Wasn't doing a good job of telling you how to patch it Which one's the best security practice and please show me the law that states that that's the problem We're going to have with any of these cases I know that the solar wind stuff is a little more complicated than that, but yes Let's see here Open vpn into home network no issues. Uh, can't get to trunas dashboard mapped smb shares already says in use can't get to my files New user a little lost I don't know why you would be able to get to it a guess might be and this is something common Make sure your trunas has the proper gateway, which is going to be your pf sense That is i'm assuming you're using pf sense. I I I am reaching there But the whatever the vpn system is make sure that is in the gateway list of your trunas They made false claims about their security. Well, then that's and well that is an interesting test that we'll have to look at You know, if they said we patched our systems, but they did not Yeah, that's you have to figure out what's provable in court versus following Best practice and trying to find that but yeah, if they made a statement, they did something they weren't doing Well, then that's a very different conversation United inflight wi-fi can be bypassed by vpn if connected using ip instead of fully qualified domain neat um, we have we actually have some Clients that are using starlink starlink's nice I'm not big on the sd-wan solutions for seamless failover They're nice if you really have to have it but I the extra added overhead of the sd-wan because they got to pop out of the data center somewhere and the expense attached to it versus how often do these connections fail if you have a Area where there's a lot of flopping connections. Sure, but you know, even I mean we have dual connections in our office for example and They just don't fail very often It's so rare seem to their clients and we'll get a notice when something switches over and that's an annoyance But is that annoyance with the cost of sd-wan? That's that's what you have to weigh out So, oh no, we we've had three outages last year three Should I pay an extra x dollars per month for an sd-wan solution to solve those three outages where The phones got dropped, but then picked back up a few minutes later. That's what you're asking with sd-wan Now the salespeople you gotta have sd-wan It's the it's the next best blah blah blah thing and we'll do all kinds of magic around it so I'm usually most people push an sd-wan or salespeople not engineers because we go You know how critical is that phone call and now are you someone who? Absolutely can't stop. Well, usually that goes in the data center at that point. So that's my opinion on sd-wan uh, finally testing out xc png Uh using some mini form mini pcs and gosh, it's better and cheaper than the current hyper v infrastructure Well hyper v is a low bar to compare it to Use cloud for tunnels and 40 engineer who works with sd-wan a lot And zip registrations may only be on one connection nbpns as well. Yeah This is spoken like someone who's probably used sd-wan before sd-wan sucks. Okay, we'll go with that Half the network issues at work are because of a misconfigured sd-wan. Yep Yep, I've I've seen more things goofed up, you know, uh, who I can remember a while ago We had a problem these last year a year ago um Their sd-wan solution I can't remember what they were going for it kept determining your 5g was faster So it kept running up a bill on their backup 5g connection I was like, I don't know. I didn't write the software. I can't remember what company it was I was like, I can't fix this. This is the problem with the way their software works cloud for tunnels are not suitable for serving media content and that is absolutely true Uh, setting up xc pin g in an sdvm right now and I check it out Probably set up for a client here shortly Oh, sorry a little tired. Sorry about the yon there folks, but yeah, um, I You can probably run it nested. I don't know how well it would work But nested I've I've never tried. I think I may maybe I could try this. I'll nest xcp and g inside of xcp and g Misconfigured sla metrics and limits. Yep sd-wan especially sucks when it's some providers trying to sell you a bunch of junk routes through a data center So that the public ip never changes and adds a tremendous amount of overhead. Yes Oh, good client install be in bare metal. That's the way to do it marketing for policy based routing. Yeah It can be sd-wan sometimes is used to describe a lot of other things that isn't sd-wan So the kind of depends on which marketing person and how far their head is up their ass Always the fun of dealing with marketing people. I'm gonna look at the I really uh, I'm gonna go back to this here I actually, uh Just reached out to him Uh Hold on. He has his resume in here Eight. I always have it. That's a hard word for me to see Alpards apards adventure Um But I do want to play with frigate. I think it looks pretty cool Uh ever used pod man for containers. Um I was gonna try it one time. It looks pretty interchangeable with some of the docker stuff Not high on my priorities, but it looks cool Nutanix, I'm not that impressed with Nutanix It's a proprietary server. I I wouldn't uh They just wrapped they just took all the open source stuff wrapped it up into a proprietary server Oh, oh man. I haven't I've looked at their site in a while. Apparently they've also wrapped it up in ai your platform for ai success Is this the one? your aperture infrastructure Cloud native business critical citrix blah blah blah I don't know. I don't use Nutanix. So I know we replaced it Uh for someone they we helped them after they migrated they they they made the decision to migrate before we did for xcp and g Frigate is really cool. I happen to edit yaml file isn't bad since doc vented, but there's no r back or off Yeah, like I said, it's not going to be a complete turnkey project Extreme networks fabric. No, I don't use that Where's some of the things you do with your home automation? Turn lights on and off mostly matter of fact the my home automation stuff just Home assistant Does that power usage? I got some power usage on here's got my ups power usage, but I can see if there's packages on my porch if there's people in my driveway And I can turn my lights on and off and this activates. This is all my studio stuff in here, too But uh, the the automations are I have people detection That activates things inside of here. So if the Synology Uh detects a person Not motion, but a person in my driveway It turns all my lights on for me and lets me know I'll say Nutanix sucks Anyway to make a old laptop home server nest and I'm gonna make you an ass of some description I don't know about that. Um What are some automations you're using when engine 1 rmm? I don't do that from day to day my staff does so I'm not the right person to ask Maybe we'll do some videos on that in the future, but most that's going to be posted in like the ninja one I think they have a discord inform I don't do windows day-to-day management. I have a there's a bunch of employees that do um, that's not really what I do Nutanix CE is free. Well, it's not free It's just they they've chose for now not to charge a license for it. So I wouldn't bother with it It probably has a bunch of limitations that Nutanix slapped on it. So Uh group of lights when I come home at night. So I'm never in the dark. Yeah, I mean When I pull up in my driveway if he recognizes a car or a person it turns all the lights on so Yeah, motion detection lights after midnight. I have a change the ambient lights in my kitchen Um, do I have a picture of that somewhere? Maybe I don't know I put a bunch of uh led lights in my kitchen Uh over my cupboards and everything and that's all controlled by home assistant Yeah, they have an object detection inside of this analogy So you can do object detection So when people come over uh, you can find the people And where's where would that be actually? pull up some smart application Do I have this turn? I'm always changing things on here Is this task running? Oh, that's a disabled task Is the face recognition task running? That's the live one. We want to see recognition results There's uh, it detected people on the porch. So yeah, the the sound you stuff works really well I'm happy with it. That's why reasons if you're looking for turnkey Synology is pretty good Got an old Nutanix server just a rebadged super micro. Oh, yeah, a lot of companies will just rebadge a super micro Nothing wrong with that I made an old laptop true dance dr In wave from my zfs pool form a j-bot you did works great awesome Are you still using media wiki for docs? I want to find something to collect your markdown files I think it's been great, but too expensive even more my data is stuck in their cloud um, we use hoodoo now at cwr for all of the documentation uh, I still like markdown language for all my notes for things but for Managing and tying together all the business notes for how I think we have over 120 companies that we have to manage data for now So you need something like hoodoo. We have too many employees to make it I would say This is a tricky part. It's not that they have too many people You can obviously see some large-scale open source projects that have good documentation now done at markdown We have too many people that aren't good at putting markdown together So we have a lot of you know, just your normal employees So hoodoo is the solution that we went with for all that we don't use it glue Book stack is really cool. Um, that's definitely a really cool project as well I would say book stack is definitely a little more modern looking than trying to run media wiki I'd love to see how you structure docs and hoodoo Yeah, um Yeah, I don't know See the problem with doing the ninja like ninja has videos on automations and things like that I don't know. I don't know how interesting my video It's just the time to create it versus how few people but Me and Jason slago talked about doing some like msp training specific stuff coming up with it I realize there's people who want to know more what we do I didn't know problem talking about it, but for the Level and the time it takes me to produce a video the hours and hours to go into it It to make something that's for a super niche audience is kind of hard But we've thought about offering some type of training or something like that and we release it in video form For like how to set things up in rmm how to do hoodoo how we tie things to connectivize manage You know all the back end stuff we do We don't mind talking about a lot of it and maybe we'll schedule some live stream q and a's where me and jason just answered people's questions for that It might be kind of fun What is your reason for preparing markdowns because of formatting? Oh, yeah, absolutely. If you look at all my stuff I use a tool called Let's pull it up so you guys can see it This is actually how I do all my notes for everything And I just they're all flat text files. I just like keeping everything in text files I I use this but I use it in dark mode I just want to point that out that their website's not in dark mode, but their software is so I do this in dark mode So if you're ever wondering how tom takes notes and builds out his youtube channels And how I work from day to day for whatever i'm working on I use this and I synchronize all my notes We would pay for that msp course Honestly, if you want to use markdown, uh, how many user employees have to read the docs if it's small you could probably log it it would be so Broken for how it's not just the markdown language. It's all the integrations as well Um, we have a lot of things that populate all of our data So we actually have tools on all of our clients so we can dynamically generate a lot of the documentation So it's not just the markdown. It's also how do you do it? It would building all that out is is not an easy task Uh What is that markdown tool? It's called zettler. I'll drop a link to it real quick in here Uh, does knowledge demand station or any others link to security companies that can take action if your system senses fire at the not that I know of There's probably somewhere that has a subscription, but analogy doesn't have any features for that I mean, you're probably looking at something for example um By by no means they're not I just know from uh other people. I'm not sponsored by them Simply safe does that They have they have features like that so You know, you're simply safe has a uh the ability to have a camera and like call the police or whatever So you you know, you can get a subscription to do that From them. So there's there's definitely companies that do it, but not synology I have an old ds 2 18 plus pretty good. Yeah, I really like the variety of synologies. I have I have a handful of them Uh, once again, I have my home lab as we talked about the very beginning I have a lot more things than the average person probably has But I'm I've been really happy with all of those users are just so reliable work. Well, just they get they get things done remember folks document your users, uh Your users as your servers names emails phone numbers, especially cell phones from the ip uh phones go down Yeah, yeah, yeah all the fun documentation you need to have for sure All right, what are the other questions people have is any more questions come in that I Oh, uh, someone asked this question. I'm gonna I'm gonna reply to them as well But I have been using this tool for a long time And I will I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess this makes people happy if I did this Is using diagrams.net Which by the way draw.io diagrams.net Diagrams files created in 2005 will still open the app today. That's really cool I really like this tool And we will Open existing. Oh, I don't want to do that create new Trying to find one That looks cool Yeah, well I can't pull that up like I don't feel like doing it wants to authorize against my google. There we go I didn't want to authorize against my google before I shared it I just like no don't do this But this is a pretty neat tool for doing diagrams. It's open source. It's Really nice, but uh people ask like some of the stuff I do in my videos And can I give the template files away? I'm doing it all with the basic templates. I didn't load anything special I'm using stock templates on here. So uh, but my the answer is yes I will give people let me see if I can upload one will that work file Hold on Let me pull this see if I can pull one up Come on Continue There we go share this tab So I build these demos out like this and It it I don't mind giving away the files. So I'll come up with like a sharing of all these files on here of how I Build all these out I'm using just like I said all the templates that are in here But I don't mind giving away. That's what someone asks is could I and absolutely for sure. So Uh, what are some real word use cases you have for tail scale? Um By coincidence, I pulled up tail scale. Um, I use tail scale For my phone and my laptop when I travel. So because I was just in florida for like five days. I I don't even think about it. I have tail scale on my laptop So it's my laptop thinks it's at home as far as it's concerned. I have access to all the same resources I don't have to log into a vpn each time I mean, I'm going to do a follow-up video here because it's a long-term review of tail scale I wanted to use it over time And see if there's any With all my travels and everywhere I've been going in the last six or seven months Did I have any problems with it and actually the answer is no too long didn't watch tail scale works great Deployed for clients same answer we've deployed it for customers And I don't think we've done as many sites to sites with it but definitely customers who need remote access We've done a lot of consulting on it and It's just kind of one of those dead easy simple Deployments to get going with customers. They're like cool. I can access all of my stuff remotely now. It works wonderful I still on the free version of tail scale I I'm for me because we're not using it in the business uh per se I'm using I'm using tail scale For me not for the business Well, I am the business I know but We're not using it In a way that is uh, let me see. Can I show all this? Yes Share this to have instead But yeah, right now you can see the systems that are connected. Um The ipf sense is connected and for example Let me turn on my google pixel 7 tail scale How quick will it refresh? active Hey, look connected. So it's it's pretty much instantaneous here. It's connected my phone to it. I think it's great The other free version is fine. Um I mean if you we have customers paying for because of the number of devices or extra features, but yeah, it just works The um one of the interesting things right now to me is this one right here my macbook Being connected the macbook keeps connecting and disconnecting because the macbook even though it's closed right now It it wakes up enough on the network to synchronize and then uh connects. I think that's kind of neat But yeah, it's uh, it just works. That's pretty much That's the way I feel about it. I haven't run out. I haven't run past the limits So, uh, if I run past the limits, I guess I'll go to the paid version Oh, uh, this is an important part of doing this In tail scale and I'll cover this too when I do the video on it But you can do split dns And I I like having split dns because I've overridden Sites specifically where my hosted things are so everything works the same in and out of the uh network It just works great. It is one of those things. It's so simple It it's the it's one of those Appreciations I have for the engineering that went into it because nothing works that good without really good engineering Uh, how do you configure tail scale to work on your phone and detect if you're connecting from home or outside your network? Easy, you don't you don't have to it doesn't matter. I can leave tail scale on my phone all day It doesn't matter if I'm here or not. Uh, that doesn't affect tail scale Same thing with the laptop. It's probably on right now on my laptop and I because I didn't turn it off It doesn't It doesn't affect anything So I can be here. I can be not here and I'm going to access things like for example fresh rss. I'm gonna pull it up real quick you know, it's uh fresh rss.studio.launchsystems.com is the url I go to and I can go to that url inside or outside my network as long as tail scales on that's that split dns setting So the dns answer is always the same It's at this ip address and that ip address is accessible on my network if I'm attached to it directly or if I'm on tail scale So still using vpn access internal business resources of tail scale with I wish tail scale be more segmented different networks I mean It depends most of our stuff is authenticated through different web portals So the the network you're on is actually pretty irrelevant for for our business The network is very relevant you're on um for my hta proxy and to Uh my surveillance station and things I have or my local resources and servers I have The surveillance station make use of the a accelerators. It does not Not you can't add in a card for that Uh, we just law what do we log we just log into manage them People overthink the hell out of this. It's there's only like four updates a year in a pf sense So four times a year you have to log in And make an update to them As long as you can do that, um eventually the people in that gate will have a central management system Uh, I don't trust any of the third parties. So for right now, we just log into all the pf census for the clients Please for tail scale you can use it site to site and the client to client. It's not like a vpn or client server I don't understand your question, but yes, you can do site to site or client to server Uh, the british tailscale guy did a really good video on split dns. Yeah, he works for there now that I believe it's ironic badger I know I don't want to forget his real name. I know him on twitter is ironic badger Um, he's he's a nice guy talk to him. He's uh, he does I think the self-hosted podcast as well super smart. Uh, it does a lot of work with uh, linux io. I believe he's, uh One of the people behind that as well, but now he's got a job at tail scale Yeah, that's a nice thing too. Um tail scale finds the best route whether it's local or remote So even though you're like right now turning tail scale on my phone while it's connected to my wi-fi It's not going to bother routing out over there. You're gonna go to the best path Um, let's see here I'm just looking at my um Fresh rss feed I was reading the news just and I cleared them out But I always laugh because I have myself in the feed. This is how I make sure that all my uh RSS stuff comes in and is working even for my own channel So I have a few uh people's channels in here So hold on clear all this I have a video on fresh rss if you're not familiar with it. It's it's just a great tool But whenever different people if you know, uh j releases a new video. I've got them all organized here It's one of those things that If if you want a better experience than youtube shoving the videos and In some random order to you like if you have channels you specifically lice Uh, really like fresh rss makes that easier like hey, where's jeff's videos at? Here you go. Here's jeff from craft computing Or i'm sorry cross talk solutions. Where's craft? Uh Yeah craft computing that's what i meant to click on 45 jives server is here. It pulls a description in for me grabs a thumbnail And boom I can you know watch this video. I really love fresh rss for things like this It organizes. This is how I read the news and keep up with it without getting distracted How does tail scale define users is that by number of externally connected devices or how does that work is Uh, the one thing that sometimes confuses me looking at their plans I think they define it by devices If i'm not mistaken Let me look Yeah, so What it's maybe they have you can have three separate users But up to 100 devices and you got to figure I am one user How many devices do I have well? I talked about my phone. I talked about my macbook My synology. Those are all devices Uh, but i'm only one user and I don't want to give everyone my credentials to authenticate their devices so users are each user attached for authentication Devices are the devices that user authenticates on so if someone had, you know, three laptops Well, you can have one user with three laptops Man, it's possible and then you would want all three of those laptops on tail scale So now you've got three devices to one user Hopefully that makes sense Uh, do you have a write up on your forums and how to scrape new sites of fresh rss or user assessor adam? I don't really have a write up on that but All the major new sites supported. I don't really think I ran to any that don't But you can do that fresh rss has more instructions on it than I do There's not a new I have the list of new sites that I have in there In my fresh rss post on my forums But all of them. I mean pretty much everything supports rss You're looking for some pretty obscure sites if you If you have them that don't have some type of way to scrape the data And there's probably some tools out there to help you build the formatting for it I've just not run into them. So I haven't spent much time on it Hey deployed or seen to your next scale ha setting out in the wild I deploy a lot of dels be extra all but I want to maybe play with open source scale enterprise aside from my home I mean Out in the wild we we sell them. So we are the ones putting them out in the wild I mean when when you look at the photos I post of all those servers They're not all for me. Just so you know, these are going into customers frequently when we talk about like these large storage servers So we are the ones definitely putting them out there in the wild Correct, uh true nasa is not free and if you go to true nas core like the dual motherboards, that's also Tied to their hardware specifically that they build Oh good glad I made sense So That is awesome Yeah, so there's two ways to do it. They have If you look at the m50 start closing tabs again, there's a lot of them over here Doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot All right I think they have a really cool visual m50 You say used to under sight. Let's find out m series Oh, they got a video on it 100 gig networking with their m50 Data sheet architecture They have this cool visual there. You get an idea what it looks like But yeah, they have a very specific backplane That allows for the it's a dual motherboard system I thought they had a better picture of it But either way you get the idea. They've got this really slick dual motherboard system. I've got a video on it Um, so yeah, it's kind of like their hardware Yeah, the ha on them That the clustering it's not it's not exactly. I mean it produces high availability But it's it is file system clustering you actually can't it's in beta right now for one two It's using Gluster and three you have to use it with their Licensing they have for um What is that true command so you do the clustering with true command? It's not something built in But yeah, it's definitely a um Yeah, 50 50 petabytes. You can put a lot of you can put a lot of drives in these a lot of storage Dual hot swap controllers. This is the this is the we've I like these systems The we I've not done the m60 but the m50s are definitely awesome the m60 is the next one they made But these are not cheap. I mean you're talking about something that Starts in the $60,000 range So best to run Linux of change running Gluster fs Gluster or sef is going to be better For that. Well, I mean that's what they're doing under they're doing Gluster I'm I would lean more towards sef. I just did a sef training class. So I'm biased I spent two days learning sef um sef is awesome But sef in itself has its own complexities and how It depends on what the environment needs it I don't sell over complicated solutions to clients unless those complicated solutions are needed um, this is where people kind of oversell and then can't maintain or support you don't want to sell anything without The client understanding what it's going to cost to support that over time Um, it depends on the client again. So people who are buying individual like media companies that want to manage their own data We've got a few of the media companies just running 45 drive servers with true nas and it works great for them We had a data sciences project for a client. They have two petabytes of storage and it's 45 drive chastis running true nas That works fine for them. So true nas works really well When you want to get more advanced the sef stuff is really nice when you start want to tie a lot of those things together so yeah The sef stuff is uh really nice, but it it it's like anything it comes with complexities of managing it because If it all falls down because someone broke it who knows how to fix it I'm pretty good at fixing true nas. I had to fix someone who goofed up some True nas stuff. I can usually fix the true nas system But these are those problems when people get these things broken or an update breaks something That's where things get complicated In your opinion net app performance and support is much more competitive than ix systems I don't know the people we've talked to don't seem to think that that we've sold systems to net app is quite expensive and I didn't find them that impressive for performance, but I don't know We've so we sell a lot of true nas and we've we've replaced a lot of different systems out there The one I hate them also is working with three par. That's been the worst one That's a more recent client. We have that at a three par system. So Really not impressed with it Three par was just their support and everything seems to be bad, but then again, they're owned by hp. So Who owns net app? Is net app an independent company? Okay, so they're publicly traded. So they're independent at least While doing a radio configuration stuff in myself, uh in As many unrelated stuff questions I can yes Anything owned by hp is terrible to work with you are not wrong about that Someone really put those prices in perspective for me, uh one at a time, you know, you can go Look on 45 drive site and price out a system. They I really like they keep all that public. It's not hard to go to the 45 drives look at their solutions and Click build Let's build the more expensive one So, you know, this is right on their site. You go here. Uh, what do you want on there? Blah blah blah. Yeah, we'll go rocky linux in houston 32 we're going let's go all out. Let's build this thing Super fair. We're going 100 gigs on this thing We want 100 gig qs fp 28 And uh, let's get 60 drives in this thing Because we can put 60 in here. So we'll say 60 there we go And we'll probably need four of those next We'll skip all the configuration stuff and go stock here next And you get a price, but we're you can see the price up here. I'm not going to fill out the contact form Um, but yeah, $61,000 to buy all those drives Three three part of the nightmare has caused me to my core. Yes, you've clearly worked with the three part Uh, the quotes we got net app, uh can get all flash for true gnash only ssd cash on hdd Huh, I'd have to look I don't know I I true net app I've not I haven't quoted a lot of people that told me they were comparing it to that But generally speaking the true gnash is pretty competitive I I've been told like it's really competitive against some of the other stuff they've seen But I don't always get to see the other side of the quote. We're we're the true gnash people bidding I don't always know who's the other side bidding So I don't know. I I can't speak to like Recent prices on there I'm fully on the hp hate bandwagon pc servers laptops any of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah HP the company people like to hate Especially their printers we we can all just collectively dislike their printers And and whatever the stupid drivers that they've got on there But full disclosure on an app thing. I will say I I've only heard tangentially through them. I've not directly owned a net app device or have to I've never had to be the admin on a net app device So I often hear things from the other people some were replacing things. So People have their biases. Um, that's why I've never done a review net app and don't really plan to either. So Uh, what do you think of each other 15? I really like it. Um What are you gonna build on it? I'm just gonna load it with debbie and 12 probably is probably and a lot of docker stuff And it's just gonna be a pure linux box. I'll also have houston on there for ui But it's just gonna be my linux machine for docker and fun and things. I want to get done Why all the hp hate any company that thinks that upgrade should be behind a paywall for firmware is definitely gonna get some hate Uh, jeff from craft computing has done a video on this The hp has got just a weird mix of systems that need to be on there. Um Some are behind paywall some are not for some of your updates, but collectively printers also just terrible HP if you've been a printer admin for over a decade and you can attest hp's are the worst in the market. Yeah I really like my hp z3 z2 30 work stations for the Uh countless toolists and quick release Those are nice I figured what the zeech is that the little one the z hp Whoops hp z2 30 That's the mini ones, right Although this is a full-size one. I the hp mini ones are actually uh, we had a few of those Those are not bad. We never had a problem with them. Uh, you can find them use the Lenovo makes some del makes some but there's a really tiny pcs I remember all the good old days of sun Uh, they were once close to ship A part via private jet from london to stock home to live through sla. I was able to solve it before that happened. Yeah interesting for sure PC load letter Tiny micro HP gen 8 and older are no longer paywalled but gen 9 onwards are paywalled hp just stupid things with drivers Yeah, I don't understand paywalling like service updates for stuff I am new to home networking. Your videos are very helpful. Excellent. Thanks you very much for the content. Awesome Uh, yeah, this one's a tower size one. I have the 4990 not the xeon cpu as well. Um Yeah, I those little mini ones are They're just handy to have around. They're definitely, uh, cool little Uh systems Now, let's see I think I got oh cool. I'm I feel caught up on questions Has any of you already worked with the fs com? unifying switch What is is it a model you're asking about? I'm assuming you're talking about this fs.com switching Switches or is it the switching? They're an interesting company. I don't Launch demo. I gotta log in sign in Not today Yeah, I don't know Like the problem I have Is going to come down to do I trust this company to write good software? That's tough Especially when it runs the fabric of your network, uh thoughts on private pisha key feature in a recent unify release I mean It's cool. That's my thoughts on it Oh, no paywall is not exclusively hp We're just hating on hp because they do it that you can hate on everybody who does it too. Yes Uh, it was my first shurnaster system now. I have upgraded and will repurpose to the z30 as a pf center router. Awesome Yeah, they I don't know that I trust the quality of the software they do I don't know Uh, what is your preferred way to keep xcbd networking off the physical networks? Is it mostly bridges and vlands or be tried stn? What do you mean keep off the physical networks? Are you talking about how you get two systems to talk to each other? Usually vlan is the easy way to do it It's you know, you just create a vlan and have the two servers talk to each other If you look and I've talked about this before I'll go pull this up So like our lab networks, we have a bunch of them But if when we build virtual infrastructure, I mean replace ease with production if you want But if I only wanted servers to talk to each other I could just create a special vlan put them all on it and they would all just talk to each other And if that vlan doesn't exist outside of I mean because it's between servers It has to exist on the switches that are between the servers, but That would work Does anyone actually use in chat pretty much anymore? I'm fine if that goes away if no one uses that anymore Mainly virtual machines talking to each other Both on different hosts and the same. Yeah vlands are really that I mean there's more ways to do it than vlan But vlan is the simple way to do it can itself hosted Linux unify controller back up the config to the unify account or is that limited to unify councils? That's limited to my knowledge to unify councils I haven't been able to get gre and vxland to work between servers next to png. I only played with it. Um Once or twice Oh vlan 1337. Yeah, that's in there Where did that one go? Hold on Show all the pages Yeah, there's definitely a 1337 in here somewhere Where is that I was on the screen for a minute. Oh well Because we can just Switch anything to it if we want we have so many things in here so we can just go through and swap networks on all of ours That's why we do this. This is how we moved our networks around like even This is uh one of the staff members You know, this is all the networks. He has he's got what five interfaces on this You know, we have a lot of stuff going in our lab. I got my own demo lab. What is this? Oh, it's my windows lab one But yeah, you just swap and it makes it easy here to pick out whatever one I want WAN lab cgnat if I wanted it to have a cgnat address I've got different things set up Then I can just fire up my windows boxes Tom making minkeying tries to hide it. But when you see him using vlan 1337 and uh 10.69 subnets. Yes Oh, there's a vlan 69 as well Yeah vlan 666. There's there's a lot of silliness in all the vlands I have you're not wrong at all Yeah, there's definitely um If you watch one of my videos I talk about vlan 69 a couple times I I find how many jokes I can make on this Go computer go. I don't think it's been started in a minute. It's probably gonna want a bunch of updates I don't think I've done much with this lab server. There we go Let's boot it up till windows run some updates updates. There we go Give it something to do. Oh, look, it's but it's why it's slow. It's already downloading them Oh, no, I can't do windows 11. I'm so disappointed Uh, what do you offer on the grant? Uh, what would you do you offer on the grant stream or your bickety wi-fi access point? Part or if you have other solutions I don't I don't understand it as a question We offer Unify we don't do grand stream XO is learning curves only thing I found I couldn't do I've only started playing a proxmox by uh with proxmox, but I quite like the look and simplicity Of the xo interface so they support zfs Uh, yes, but they don't have any web ui to manage zfs So yes, you can do see it zfs But just so you know you you configure it from the command line Yeah, zen orchestra has nothing to do with zfs. It's just a control System so it doesn't do anything with the zfs Install now doing it live How much hard drive will this chew up? Windows is like grinding away Windows update just choose on hard drives Choose them up spits them out. Uh, just wish it can do smb From the zfs storage directly I don't really have a use case for that Not for not for your hypervisor shouldn't be sharing If you want something to share storage that's a nas Your dedicated enterprise hypervisor shouldn't have anything else in it than it needs That's why dom zero is so thin like you just load the basic hypervisor and start using it You don't want to cram everything else in there Dedicated storage host is best for x uh for xcp ng. Yes Yeah, absolutely. I would say You know having in it's most time. I mean I have Local storage, but if you notice this is a uh remote storage. So I got 60 we got 64 discs on this one here 64 vdi is on this one We got we got a few turret. I think I got enough free space. I got 234 terabytes here. I think is that enough? I can probably fit a few more on there. I load windows anymore. It's almost exclusively Linux nowadays, but I do have to fix when does it work Yes Yeah, xl storage is going to use dom zero, but xl storage dedicated to You know The xl storage system for doing the hyper converged Do you recommend companies use their own self-hosted unified application or have it on prem instead? We currently have an a bunch of server on vulture managing three buildings We manage 70 clients in our controller. So I I don't see any reason to Do Have to manage multiple controllers. I mean we have enough bandwidth that 70 of them is not a problem Uh, I've been gone for a week jason. So I really haven't had a chance to play with it I just got back from florida. So I've been gone for a week So and I didn't take it with me because there wasn't any network things to plug into My plan is to start playing with it probably next week Does anybody run net data and pf since ce? No, do not do that That seems like a bad idea How are you using 938 gigs? I don't know. It's just a lot of stuff I don't know what all is in here, but there's a lot free There's still a lot of terabytes of free space these things still windows updating Nope Good i'm all up to date There my windows server is happy Oh See it needs to be Why doesn't it have a uh IP address I probably don't have something loaded on this Oh, well, I'll I'll fix that later It's got management agent, but it doesn't have any Something's broke. I'll fix it later because it's not showing the IP address to the system We'll show it here so I can put it on one of my other networks Is there any networking on lab 101? uh We'll put it on vlan 69 there we go someone will be happy about that Uh, that device you keep talking about patch reviewed seems pretty cool child firewall Emergeable host of some sort. Yeah, I want to play with it some more I just I got all this stuff and then I was in Florida for a week When you have ridiculous storage you keep lots of junk. Yep. I thought I was a date over 40 charabyte on my server. Yeah Something I broke up fix it later. Oh, yeah, yeah For sure I'm stealing vlan 66 for guest future deployment. It's a great idea. Yeah, it's just funny Put them on, you know, the guests go on 666. I do get so much silliness on all the the things we have set up and of course um I I don't windows very well so the people ask about the Network it's for the um the 1337 if you notice the IP address here is and then blow it up a little bit 10 13 37 is the IP range that it puts that on too So 10 13 37 um, so Officially if you didn't pay for the tack, you're not following your license or whatever Unofficially, I've upgraded three of them and they they seem to work fine To if you have I have a bunch of stuff in my lab that I was running the You know lab license on or the home license on and they seem to upgrade to 2309 perfectly fine So I didn't have a problem with it. I just do a boot slice beforehand in case that changes So I I all the ones that upgrade work fine How I go work was just bringing the shirts to sit three three three half evil and uh, yes, I like that Can't wait to be go some ipv6 so we can do some uh dead beef jokes. Yeah Said all your dispensary clients at vlan 420 we can go with that Well, you can do that Let's restart this Restart that'll fix whatever's wrong I put it on vlan 69. I still know why It's not picking up the uh network agent I may have broken this because I don't know what I was doing with it There's a chance I broke it because I don't remember what I was last doing with the server probably the blue mera demo or something On zen orchestra you can you can manage windows computers. Is there please are becks on the windows for desktop pcs and laptops via Offsite no that you you don't understand how zen orchestra works Um, it's to it all zen orchestra manages the vms. It does not manage non vms. It does not manage devices external to Uh, the system it only manages the systems that are on here Huh weird It says the management engines there. I don't know 172 69.100. There we go Yeah Yes, analogy active backup for business is definitely uh more ideal for that Definitely gonna work better for that Does anyone actually use vms desktop daily basis my works keeps trying but third render does not work for Grapp on a vm You know, this is the problem when you start trying to sell that as a solution And if someone needs a webcam for their zoom meeting and you're like, oh, that doesn't work very well over the vdi solution like yeah 3d rendering and stuff. It's just it's just a band-aid on a problem That's really how I feel about it But I think I want to wind this down. I've been doing this for two and a half hours. I'm getting thirsty I gotta go uh get some more water ran out And uh, I'm gonna chill out from my voice runs out. My voice is still rough. So proxmox comes with uh spice, which is the only thing I like better to run proxmox xcp and g I've never really used it, but I just don't Like I'm not gonna spend any time in the Using this as the ui. You know, this is just when we interact with all these systems on here We're never I pretty much unless I just gotta watch it boot You know like hey cool it booted look at the council. All right booted. I don't use it from here I'm gonna ssh into this and That's just how I manage it. I mean they're mostly linux, but even if they're windows stuff I'm I'm pretty much going to use your remote access tool because it's going to be superior. They're trying to manage it right there so but uh Thoughts on windows 365. Oh, I wouldn't I mean Why if you're talking about the whole, you know run the windows in the cloud sounds expensive I'm sure salespeople are really excited to start selling it um I don't know. I mean there's no way about it that that's that's just going to be expensive And once you lock in and stick everything in the cloud The price always creeps up despite compute going down storage going down. They're like hey, it's uh $35 a month. No, no, no 45. No, no 55. No, it's just 200 a month to hold your computer in the cloud so A lot of them you start doing the ROI and some of these, you know, I'll run the computer in the cloud You're like, wait a minute I can buy a brand new computer every year and still be ahead of what these cloud ones cost They've just got expensive. Um, I'm not seeing any that have convinced me that it it's a cost savings measure at all Because you still have to have a computer to access it So I have to secure the computer that accesses the computer in the cloud So I still have to secure two computers now. I I've now created complexity and cost Um, but I guess it depends on the goal. I don't know what problems it solves Yeah Windows and vlan 365 and keep your data at home There's more and more things are becoming web applications. That's reality of it. So web applications are The kind of the solution to this when you see, you know, it's the smallest things I kind of look at going wow cool. I can manage my virtual infrastructure And everything that I got here all my demos and things I got running All right here in a web interface. I'm managing virtualized infrastructure You think about the all this is being delivered through a web interface and all the things I can do to manage my storage I'm like, well, exactly. Why do I need an entire You know system to render all this it can be rendered on the browser And now I suddenly don't have to have some entire virtualized operating system running just to bring one application in So that's the that that's where the future is is things being turned into web applications the band aid to get to that future Is I got a charlie horse. Sorry Is a vdi so I'm gonna end this stream with my charlie horse to my leg And uh, that hurts out That's an unexpected ending Anyways sitting crooked my leg hurt now. I guess I'm getting old Thanks everyone for joining and uh, awesome. Oh, let's see. Hold on Well, because they want to send her to thumb forever. That's why software is going in description instead of having software forever I mean, I I don't mind supporting software to keep developing it, but you're right I mean some companies wants you locked in Uh, and that whole desktop in the cloud is a big lock in for sure So thanks everyone and uh, I will chat with you guys later