 Welcome back it is the breakfast and plus TV since mess is gonna be getting a message for Friday I'm getting a jolly fight Mercy do you play chess? No, I don't play chess now, but I remember playing chess with my cousin who's in the United I'm sure they beat your hands down. No, he he taught me how to play chess and He was really fun, but I still remember that, you know chess is actually a very It's a mind game. It's very strategic and that's why the name is called chess because it requires You know that kind of thinking strategy to play the game without any particular skill But you have to be very smart because you have to always outsmart your You know you're open and while playing the game and it's the same thing as playing golf So those games are actually Mine mine I play chess at the time and I wish I had continued You know when my cousin was putting me through we have a great time so I said right by the night I said remember, you know the king and the queen the point you have to protect the night at all costs You have this you protect your queen. No, you protect the night. You protect the king You protect the queen and I would have to do I No, it's been a long time. I mean it's over 10 years now So I think I need to you know get back to the it's one game I haven't actually And I played it as a channel. I think it was I'm thinking that everybody's our chessboard now So we have our queen here. We have our king So if you if you want me to if you want me to push then you need to bring a real chess chessboard I can't play on so how do you strategize so you don't Bring a real chess At least that's what they use for chess. No does bring a real but it's actually an interesting game I'm thinking that it's it's good to catch people young You know catch them very because I said I'm very young then playing but truth is I wasn't No, I'm not as young as I used to be No, you're not so so that's what I'm saying As I very young And I think that if kids are exposed to this kind of game he helps a lot it helps in strategic thinking and planning you know because in life you have to take decisions were faced with decisions every other time and If you get yourself Quintet or abreast with this game, it would help in life decision. It opens your mind He helps you in taking very firm decision critical decision during time of emergency and what to do and what not to do the Consequences because of for every time you make a move There would always be you know an action that would always be a result reaction So for every move you make there'll be a consequence Yeah, and so you have to be very calculated and that's what the chess game is about. I Can just see you're impressed. I know you're very impressed. Yes The thing that you have said I just can't wait to You're just saying it They brought a board of chess here my biggest regrets now my biggest regrets now is the fact that I Wasn't consistent in playing the game. I'm by this time I'm sure I probably would have been a pro, you know, like a very big pro I'm gonna be representing Nigeria in different competition. I mean if we have any kind of for like that All right. Yes, they would talked about I do if I was who actually is an 18 year old who won in a dot price Yesterday and you know it is interesting because the whole idea is about looking for an escape route You know from the life, you know in the slum and Someday just good to channel all your thoughts all your energies to positive things so at the end of the day You know, it doesn't matter where you come from It doesn't matter the challenges that you that you see around you But for the fact that you can think and position your mind to positive things are maybe true chess You know, it's actually an outlet. Yeah, so for me I'm also thinking it brings us back to the fact that we live in a society where we think that we probably Everyone has to end a degree and I'm thinking that all of these games, you know, the way The way education has been for us as a country still the same way I mean how many years are we now we're still doing the same thing over and over again And we constantly complain about the fact that we do not have we're not chunking out We're not chunking out, you know graduates who are employable. We constantly complain But you see the world that we're leaving now is a world where we're faced with problems And what people are looking for a solution and you know having some of these games and some of this creative games Introduced in our curriculum, you know introduced to our schools would actually go a long way So let's move away from you know, saying all of the rhymes all the time. I mean we've been saying rhymes I still remember that in our schools we'll say yeah The rhymes you say you're I'm sure your kids will say if your kids grow up in this corner Let's just say those rhymes And those rhymes your grandfather said them and your generation before that So I'm just saying that we need to begin to as much as we constantly say over we're not We were not very impressed with the kind of people that we have Let's not forget that the mind is from Beth You would say that it's very empty and what you're actually impressed in it is what you have And we have a population that is going that is not productive if you ask me population can be a strength It can be a disadvantage and so but there are so many things that we can engage this population not necessarily, you know Acquiring, you know a degree. I'm thinking that I'm not saying that it's not important to have a degree But I'm saying that they are all the forms of learning and all the forms of you know Education and educational facilities and all the means that we can actually incorporate But we're yet to get to that point because even the sporting activities like entirely the ones that we have a handle on We have not been able to master them and become a pro in them. We're still struggling and grappling But however, we will get there as a message democracy All right now we'll be focusing our gaze on COVID-19 specifically The rising cases that the Nigeria has recorded in the past Six months so far for more we as at Wednesday. We recorded 1,424 new infections Which is about the highest in six months joining us now to discuss all of that The impact and what we should be doing to ensure that we stay safe is a public health practitioner Dr. Tui, Mewba Wandoo Good morning to you, Dr. Mewba Wandoo. Many thanks for joining us on the breakfast Good morning All right, doctor. It is really alarming. Are we Ancient closer to a fought wave right now with this high rate of infections that we are seeing in Nigeria Thank you. What we're seeing exactly is that we're on the fourth wave if you look at the continuity rates But in mid November it was at 0.01 Now it is at 6% What is this that we are seeing? Six hundred food increments in the new cases of COVID-19 And of course because the epicenter for us We're not bashing it enough We're not testing enough We're not embracing enough pharmaceutical interventions that should cause things around I Would be coming up. You'll be called Really at which is in 57? I think 77 countries now. You are correct We've seen a high rise in the numbers and of course we're in fourth wave. No doubts So at this point that we're in and with the fact that Lagos is an epicenter What should be, you know, the policy direction? I mean, what should we be looking at? What should we be doing? Yeah, thank you. Let us say it's a in last two weeks rolled out some measures As far as social guidance is concerned People should take permission Do you get vaccinated? Those are a lot of things at the end of But tell you what Lagos is not in isolation. It's only in isolation There are state identity laws that are not obligatory Even in Lagos to observe all those protocols rolled out It's going to be very very difficult What we have left for us now is to Deepen the individual understanding and they are Abject to a brace No part of protocols Now it's a little bit of vaccination Anywhere we can get vaccination Let us take a bus in In addition, let us keep the not for a single intervention Going on. This is more time to actually embrace that I'll cut everybody that If you have to attend any social gathering and show that you are ready To observe those not for a single intervention I'm sure that you don't need to do not talk to people There will be celebration I've been here this time. All right, doctor. Remember on the let's start talk folder about them You know what we have not been doing, you know Right in the past few months because over time we seem to have been able to have a bit of a control Is it that we all just became so Laid back that we just threw a caution to the winds and that's why we're having these high cases and A lot of people are saying that we cannot really afford another lockdown. So Specifically now what should we be doing? It's Christmas lots of people are traveling and most of these protocols are not being observed Should we be looking in the direction of a persecution of Erin, you know the voters What we know that I didn't come here That is a school for research We're not seeing a lot of hospitalization We're not seeing a lot of deaths with it, but I don't mean that we should be careless Because if we allow the case to keep running to death among the people with me, they end up with a Lot of code which In addition to some other nice decision, and then we play over with the health system Now and what we need to do is to deepen our communication into a case the stakeholders and then not be tired of monitoring social gathering targets markets targets of a market targets religious places target Motorfax where people try to move around so that's how they can be one of its Okay, you have in the course of this this cause you have mentioned the need for us to be vaccinated and You would also want to agree with me that there are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding Vaccination and a lot of persons have not been vaccinated. We also understand on the other hand that The availability of the vaccines, you know to cater for the entire population is also another concern. So How do we you know get people what can we do to get a lot of persons to take the vaccine? Now That we don't have sufficient vaccine Don't you that I don't even see to us. They don't need the one that goes to a study date What we need to do is to engage the community and take the second I guess we don't see that passing We didn't quite get that point you're making. Can you please repeat? Let's go back a bit during the smallpox epidemic We saw that people were also visitants in taking vaccines. What was done there to the vaccine on the last Was to engage a lot of stakeholders religious leader traditional rulers Opinion leaders and use them as a model to drive vaccination Before you know it, people saw evidence and they also engaged in the vaccination What we're seeing now is over centralization of information About the vaccine deployment It's not only talking about beta or someone talking from the state capital I want to see a local government replica of COVID vaccine response. I want to see why the community Where is church where the mosque where the national institutions are getting involved in a share the body goes up Yes, we have a lot of experience in immunizing your back. She's a But you don't have a space in the middle of that. So what we now need to do is to drive the vaccines to the physical stakeholder And then we have to I think I take the process around people Keep because I think that I'll give If we get to the market for instance, they are I'll give us you can be given So it is key that Give back to is not enough You have to also embrace the non-pharmaceutical intervention You should take away your mask your hand washing and hygiene and when that's a crowd And then I said I keep social distance. It's key. This is the reason why it's important The virus was a large population, especially among your vaccinated Which give the value the chance to mutate It won't have a mutation. These are the factors that drag mutation on the virus lack of a station the place in this system come on these factors and Then overcome it if you allow the transmission by also increase in the population Carefully you will get All right, doctor, maybe wonder from all that you have said one on the lighting thing is that we we don't have sufficient in the vaccine to cater to the entire population you have rightly said that we should also You know concede that non-pharmaceutical intervention But the consent for me right now that even if we eventually get all Nigerians to comply And they want to Get vaccinated. What do we have in our hands are when most of the vaccines that we have which were donated are almost expired I Said I'm buying this person Now in Nigeria, we just have about 2% fully vaccinated population We're going to 40% What it means is that even if we do what it's a thousand vaccinations every day, we still need more than a Year to get to that 40% so we're not there So what we need to sharpen up that is it's our So I mean we get the vaccine that is that is so close to Friday We can move the bus around the population and give it to the I give the bathroom So as far as I have because I you cannot neglect those critical stakeholder We must let to communicate Comments as a location I have a small level of the community What how we're going to evolve the traditional you know how we're going to involve the leaders with that because when you see the doubt us They are mainly in those Communities of religious in that you know, but you don't want the doubt us to become Brazil it was us a Delta can see you know be switched to take the vaccine when they see that I want to see evidence when they see how We are responding So but if you allow them to become that you need to start then what what choice we have We're going to one way the health system that's there exists. I need to be disaster for the country okay, so You have said that Vaccination is very important and we're going to get to that point where you would also maybe this would also convince someone Who's watching? You know to go ahead and take the vaccine the benefits the importance how effective and how important it is To get vaccinated that's on the one hand and on the other hand How do we not encourage because you're saying less we don't have enough vaccine? So if we're pushing the campaign we're taking we're trying to decentralize information taking it to you know Traditional rulers religious leaders among others. How do we what are we what are we pushing? So we're campaigning that we have more persons vaccinated Do we have enough vaccines to cater for you know, maybe the remaining 38% of the population that is not vaccinated or the 40% Where do we get the vaccines from? so now what we need to do exactly is to engage the advocate vaccine initiative which was set up by AU With a prison bank Unicef and Co and then if you add that to the call back to the initiative and The bilateral donors should be able to wrap up vaccines and campaign for vaccine equity as the case may be now So that is at the level of government But people the one we have now we want to take it so that we won't have any one expiry now It becomes apparent that our campaign should be on a comparison If you have people do We just estimate we don't say a convention Alarm say they got it by the expressway and They all have that together and they are moving to the government or you're moving to all over the other parts of the country They will take the virus from the from from the crowd and take this all over the place. So that is the essence of this campaign You get to the just home for instance I'll tell them that please ensure the following distance In so that we can see the division of the non-pharmaceutical intervention in young domain because the balance means you might be to move around It is not that those are you might be that take the violence from one person to another So what we're trying to do to break that intense transmission so that the virus will fire out We can't be at local level should be a co-partner and evolve non-pharmaceutical intervention as well as the optical vaccine All right, all right doctor remember one do the Lagos state government Commenced them persecution of inbound international passengers Who failed to submit themselves for day two and day seven PCR test as mandated by the federal government? COVID-19 protocols and of course some guidelines are just how far will that go that's on the one hand and Secondly, it's the youth hide a lot of people, you know, we see lots of them festivals and carnivals Should the government not be thinking the line of maybe restricting maybe Movement and gatherings at this time of the year I Mentioned two things. I said that the Lagos state government has begun the The the the prosecution of inbound international passengers who failed to submit themselves for day two and they serve on PCR test as mandated by the the federal government I was asking if that alone is enough or if it's good enough then secondly I also asked that if we should not be looking in the direction of or maybe Restricting much gatherings at this you tight season because we find lots of them, you know available all around the You know the country this time of the year To the country that they are sticking up to secrecy where I think for the crucial if it's not an appropriate way we tend to throw Tracks around super public Intervention That for me what you need in this to do is to make it difficult For people not to do those tests that's how you know to escape doing those tests You have to make it difficult. I would rather look at option of five I would look at option of Suspending their passport in a way Then I think that you want to put the quota put in jail That any measure that is cannot badly too much of your right. It's a is welcome because Public health interest is five months and can you see guys? Okay, so um individuals have already started talking about the need to take booster shorts At what point should we be talking about booster shorts in Nigeria? Eloma We are we are just to be certain fascination I tell you want to give booster shorts so One of the remaining 50 cents or 40 percent are needed to be vaccinated I think for me our priorities should be directed to Vaccinating as many people as possible instead of taking on booster shorts What that means is that the critical? Doses that will be directed to those who that are yet to get vaccinated Will not be given to those that have got this immunity. Let's not be mindful of the fact that immunity even after taking the two doses Cannot be zero with omicron If you're taking two doses of the vaccine your immunity cannot be zero But what we're saying is that we want more people to take those two doses before we start talking about booster But I don't know how the policy will pan out because you want to protect two percent At all costs and leave 90 percent So what will you get? So our measures our measures should not be something we just copy because they are giving booster dose in uk that give booster dose in america uk had more than 70 percent Vaccination america close to that Yes, they can afford to give booster dose there. We are just two percent In the world of africa Africa is just less than that percent of their population of more than one billion population So why we're talking about booster here? All right, dr. T. I know we have talked about Vaccine being the best way forward, you know But as school of thought believes that we should need to be working on our research and development so that that way we should be looking at manufacturing and producing These shots by ourselves When is nijak going to get on that particular bandwagon and of course start catering to its own needs Yeah, seven months ago I pushed For us to drop off our business to manufacture the vaccine What we need to do is to first of all build a factory send a manufacturer contrast agreement Which any of those are poor vaccines And then find a way to deploy the vaccine If you remember the center of the system thing there how did they become eternal? When the virus broke in siren Adopt one another went ahead and started beauty factories collected bodies who thought it was bad It was too bright Because India was able to get some of this vaccine to respond and they will sell to kovat There's no reason why Nigeria should not be able to Get in manufacturing concern running within seven months Hey, not a good idea to help you out there You can always mobilize the fund But in all our cases we like shortcuts. You don't want to get the long enough So what we should be doing That will be sustainable Is how to build a factory And manufacture a factory and deploy same It's our institutions refusing to say to give back to Africa. I said that their hesitate rate is too high And that's a big problem So now if India is used to give off vaccine I want to wait for the handouts from either kovats or multi or bilateral organizations And we're not getting those ones. How do we move on? Let's not be reasonable in fact that We've not known or seen the end of kovat 19 and its mutation Okay, um, just as we begin to coast down this conversation Can you please run us through the benefits of being vaccinated as against the conspiracy theories that we have, you know, all around What that does for you raise your immunity prevent severe infection and limit your translation And that is what we're looking for So does it also um Someone who's vaccinated. We also need to understand some people are saying that uh being vaccinated does not stop you from contracting the virus Is that the case Listen, the vaccinated may not stop people from contracting the virus. They prevent you from having a severe disease at first internalization Now look at it come up free by it's weather You take the shots every year What we're running a loop of is severe infection that will lock down the economy Applied in your system. All right, I will must say I'm a very big thank you to you a doctor to you member wonder he is a public health and practitioner and he joined us to look at The rising number of infection that we have across Nigeria, which is becoming very alarming and together The general consensus here is that all Nigerians as much as possible should get Vaccinated or most are very big. Thank you to you. Uh, dr tree member order All right, mercy. So we keep on saying it We have to keep on encouraging ourselves and encouraging Nigerians to go out there and get vaccinated because uh from what we have had two percent Vaccination rate is really not something to write home about Yes, and like he's mentioned there's need for us to decentralize information And you know push the campaign through other stakeholders in the society Where you have traditional rulers you have, you know different institution. You also have the religious body Let's see how we can push that but on the other hand, I mean, so the fact that we constantly say The vaccine availability is also a major concern. How much of these vaccines do we have? Let's assume that we're able to push the entire population not entirely or maybe have you know have of the population You know to be vaccinated And then we get to that point and we don't have the vaccines what's going to happen So as much as we're pushing for people to get vaccinated We should also double our effort on you know getting the vaccines However, I want to get it whether I want to still be dependent on the western world or we want to look in what's a manufacturer What's important that we do the need for all right, and that's the size of the show So go out there and get vaccinated. 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