 I was speaking with John or East John. Tell us in your words what the ruling said today. What the ruling said is the judges don't trust the United States to run a fair trial. They don't trust that Julian will be treated like an American citizen would be. They don't trust that he'll be given First Amendment rights. And they don't trust that he won't be given the death penalty if he's found guilty. Now that is a pretty severe condemnation of the proposed trial in the United States. And so the decision not to extradite him is very, very welcome. I wish that they'd said this whole process should be dropped. I wish that they'd said he could have a full and fair hearing in front of the High Court in this country. We aren't there yet, but we aren't at the end of the road either. There's going to be another hearing on May 20th. I think there's a huge however in which you just said. There's been a huge however in every stage of this. But at least the however is that this could open up a way out. The other decision would have been to close down that possibility. Now these judges asked for the US to give assurances on three matters, is that right? That's right, yes. First Amendment rights that he wouldn't be treated differently because he's not an American citizen and that he wouldn't face capital punishment if found guilty. But what that adds up to is the judges saying to the Americans, we don't trust that you can run a free and fair trial. But if they give those assurances, will they trust them in the way the previous two High Court judges accepted the assurances? Well, that's still open, as I understand it. Even if they give the assurances, then they're opening up a possibility that Julian's lawyers can argue that those shouldn't be taken at face value. So even that isn't closed down. That's interesting because they can do further submissions where in the previous High Court decision there was no argument about the assurances. We've always said that this is a political trial. What this shows is that the political ground is shifting and it's shifting in Julian's favor. What happens on May 20th? Well, that's where we hear what assurances, if any, the Americans have given, whether the judges and others find them satisfactory, whether or not they'll open up the possibility of a full appeal here. So that's just a deadline, not a hearing date? I don't know. Okay, thank you very much.