 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners thanks to all of you including Dustin Campbell, Tim Deputy and Brandon Brooks. Coming up on DTNS, we dig into a busy week of tech earnings. Adobe shows its true colors and will cultured meat ever make financial sense. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, October 28th, 2022 from lovely Cleveland, Ohio. I'm Rich Strafilano. We'll draw on the top tech stories from Cleveland as well. I'm Len Peralta. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. And joining us from across the seas is Nate Langston, Bloomberg's tech editor and host of The Techs Message podcast. Nate, thanks so much for being on the show. Appreciate you having here. Oh, it is always a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me back. Sorry, it's been such a long time since I've been here. No apologies necessary. It's truly our privilege. But let's get started, though, with the quick hits. A few tech things you should know. According to an SEC filing, Elon Musk completed his bid to take Twitter private. It's been pretty low key. You might not have heard of this. The company's stock will be delisted from the New York Stock Exchange on November 8th. As part of the acquisition, Twitter CEO Parag Agrabal, CFO Ned Siegel, Twitter's Chief Policy Officer, General Counsel and Chief Customer Officer were fired. Musk is expected to share more information on his plan for Twitter with employees. It said on October 28th, we haven't heard anything yet. We will let you know. Musk has also said Friday that Twitter would be forming a content moderation council going forward. Telegram founder Pavel Durov said on his own Telegram channel that Apple claimed they wouldn't allow content creators to use third-party payment methods. This is despite the fact that Telegram allows content creators to offer access to channels or individual posts through a paywall that users can use to pay for with a third-party payment method, bypassing Apple's in-app purchasing system. As a result, Durov says Telegram must disable paid posts and channels on its iOS app, adding, quote, This is just another example of how a trillion-dollar monopoly abuses its market dominance at the expense of millions of users who are trying to monetize their own content. This is just another example of how a trillion-dollar monopoly abuses its market dominance at the expense of millions of users who are trying to monetize their own content. This is despite the fact that Telegram allows content creators to use third-party payment methods to pay for with a third-party payment method. Legal first debuted MindStorms in 1998 and I was one of the first people to buy a set. Sad to see you go, long legacy. And finally, in a quick gets here. Microsoft's corporate vice president of Microsoft's office group, Joe Belfiori, announced his retirement. He worked at Microsoft for 32 years, starting with the Windows 95 team. You probably have seen his picture at least he co-led and served as the public base for Windows phone division from 2009 to 2013. That includes kind of the Nokia acquisition of when Microsoft is really making their big push with Windows phone. All right. Well, one of the stories that kind of caught my eye this week is kind of about the world of meat substitutes or meat analogs and just follow along with me here because when it comes to meat substitutes. We've gone a long way over the past couple of decade. Plant-based meat substitutes have received a big venture funding and right now fairly easy to find at grocery stores increasingly at national restaurant chains. I loves me an impossible whopper from BK as it were. But while plant-based offerings from impossible beyond tons of others have really taken off, lab grown meat still remains well in the lab. Jessica Hemslow at MIT Technology Review published a piece musing if lab grown meat will ever indeed become a commercially viable product. We've been talking about lab grown meat for a while. Hemslow points out that the arguments for so-called quote unquote cultured meat are compelling. For example, eliminates cramped conditions for animals, which can ethical issues notwithstanding hasten antibiotic resistant bacteria. It also cuts greenhouse gas emissions inherent in large-scale animal agriculture and would use a lot less land for grazing, watering the rest. Yeah, and we've been following this kind of space for a while. You may recall back in 2013, Google co-founder Sergei Bren spent $330,000 to fund the creation of a lab-grown hamburger, one hamburger. Costs have come down significantly since then from the tech billionaire only level, but scaling them to consumer production remains a challenge. A 2021 study in the journal Biotechnology and Bioengineering, looking at scaling in industrial fermentation and upstream biopharmaceuticals, ultimately found that metabolic efficiency enhancements and the development of low-cost media from plant hydrolysates are both necessary but insufficient conditions for displacement of conventional meat by culture meat. So even basically looking specatively at technology innovation that isn't there yet, just saying like assuming we advance kind of the state-of-the-art technology now, that doesn't seem to be a foreseeable way to get cost to a consumer level at least at this point. So the short of it is even if technically possible, cultured meats would still have to pass regulatory hurdles before going to market. But there's the bigger question of if consumers would want to eat this meat because eating cultured animal muscle fibers is still meat. It probably doesn't have the same appeal to all vegetarians. Meaning success would depend on converting meat eaters from eating traditionally raised red meat or meat in general into a lab-grown. Now in 2016, a US survey found that about a third of respondents would be willing to give up farm meat for cultured, but just as many assumed it would be less tasty, less appealing, and more importantly, more expensive. Yeah, and that seems to be the sticking point. So I mean, Nate, are you going to be pouring out a test tube of hamburger? Does that sound appealing to you? No, not really. By pure coincidence today, I had a Beyond Burger for dinner about three hours ago before I even knew we were going to be talking about this. And I really like those burgers. They're very, very nice. I'm not a vegetarian. I'm not a vegan. I have been significantly reducing the amount of meat I eat. Part of that is for health reasons. Part of it is a bit of an ongoing personal experiment to see how little meat I can eat without actually becoming a vegetarian. Because a lot of the problems I think with meat and certainly with industrialized agriculture and farming is that it is possible to do it in a way where animals are very, very well looked after. They're fed an organic diet. It's very natural. There's no antibiotics, things like that. It can be done, but it's quite expensive and it's hard to do at scale. These are the kind of products that are going to come out that essentially could potentially take over at scale when the costs come down. But that is such a long, long way away. And I think that the biggest hurdle isn't going to be the regulatory issue because we've seen very dangerous things. Well, not dangerous things, but we've certainly things questionable, questionable things pass through regulatory barriers. The biggest hurdle other than cost and regulation is going to be are people going to want to eat it? And over here, I mean, genetically modified food, GM stuff isn't even legal. Like, it's barely a thing. So getting past that itself is hard. Growing it in a lab fresh, long way away, I think. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to talk over you. No, I'm done. One of the biggest hurdles mentioned in this article is getting over the perception, which is why I believe the biggest market that cultured meat would go into is processed foods. So in other words, it wouldn't be, here's my steak or here's my ribeye or whatever that you get at the butchers. It's going to be in your steak ums or your processed breakfast meats or whatever that you get in the freezer aisle or in pre made food items because in a way it's hidden. And if you if you do enough creatively marketing, you can make it seem like, hey, this is real meat. It's good for the earth. Good for you. And it's, you know, it works out the same and all you all you're doing is making the consumer feel better about themselves while selling them a product that's maybe slightly more expensive initially. You know, eventually, if you get this at scale, as Nate was saying, you could bring the cost down considerably. I do wonder though, if because in this piece, there was an interview I believe it was with the beyond CEO basically saying that they don't see culture meat being a competitor to them anywhere in the foreseeable future just kind of signaling how far they see it as. But I do I do see that as like the as the as the natural competition for this right because there's always going to be that, you know, even if it's industrial, you know farm raised meat you know whatever you want to call it you can always have that kind of traditional appeal of that right, whereas, you know, I'm kind of the same but as you I'm not a vegetarian but I am trying to be conscious of like the amount of red meat that I'm eating. I actually like if I'm just going to throw like a cheap hamburger patty like on a grill for like summer grilling, I actually prefer like an impossible burger I just, I think they taste really good I think they've nailed, they nailed that one specific thing. Some of their other stuff is hit or miss for me, but I feel like that is more of the of the market here where it's like the conscious consumer for whatever reason whether it's health reasons, whether it can be, you know, we can make these lower fat and still, you know, I feel like that is the market but the fact that we're hearing that even like, you know, we've heard like other technologies like solid state batteries like we've heard like oh those are coming along, even though we're like we're still inventing the things that can make those industrially possible. That that biotechnology and bioengineering study made it sound like, even if the speculative technology that we're not sure we can make with all of our VC funding is going to get made. We're still a ways off from figuring out how we can scale this and anyway now throw enough money at something. You know, and there's a market demand. Sometimes we can make some stuff happen but there is a it's it this made me more incredulous about when we are going to see this been 2013 I thought yeah in a decade. This is the thing you'll probably see this taken up in areas or regions of the world where land is at a premium and being able to lab grow things and a vertical in a vertical farm basically a building, instead of having to score out acres and acres of valuable real estate to raise animals, I think would be a much would be a fiscally a lot more attractive to some to some entities. Yeah, and a better use of venture capital. So serious, I was just saying that two minutes wanting to say that. All right, well one of the big complaints with Adobe's creative cloud is users can't really own their own apps anymore and if you've used them maybe you felt the same way instead, really only available through a continual subscription. While some complain about subscription models it still hasn't stopped these apps from being wildly popular for Adobe, but now users may be on the hook for another subscription to access color in their past projects. We've heard that opening projects in Photoshop illustrator and in design using colors from Pantone now show the warning. The file has Pantone colors that have been removed and replaced with black due to changes in Pantone's licensing with Adobe. All right, now Pantone has been around since the 1950s, offering industry exacting standards using its Pantone color matches system designed to license colors for exact matches across the manufacturing use cases. Now Adobe and Pantone have been working together since the 1990s, but Pantone color libraries in Adobe apps haven't been updated since 2010. Pantone says that to to jointly decide quote decided to remove the outdated libraries and jointly focused on an improved in app experience that better serves our users. Yes, filling it in with black better serves our users. There were of course warning signs that this was coming in 2021 Adobe announced a plan to remove Pantone color books from its app, but said it was working on an alternative solution. So, you know, not great to hear but okay they're working on alternatives. Adobe kept pushing back the date of removal it was originally set for March 31 of this year, and then move back to several dates in August it seems we have now hit that date in late October. Now Pantone offers its Pantone connect extension that can bring colors back to creative cloud, but the catch costs 90 bucks a year for the premium version. The publication print week also notes that you can back up your Pantone libraries, then re import them when Adobe software update removes them, although if you're already seeing the error message you're probably SOL. So there's also a non industry standard color scheme like open color. So I've learned so much about the the the insidious licensing world of color Nate. I just didn't think it went this deep. You know how that it went as deep as the colors within the thing within the thing. I just thought colors were colors. Well and this this may not you know impact a lot of more consumer facing use cases for in design and stuff like that but this is if you've done anything where okay I need to send this to print I need to send this to manufacturing you know for the for the very professional use cases of these, you know these. It's easy to say oh you know Pantone wants a license for a color how ridiculous but if you're a brand and you know part of your brand is we have these exact colors that we need to hit we're a certain shade of green a certain shade of yellow and a certain set of blue or whatever you know whatever. That is extremely important to you and clearly adobe was exchanging money with Pantone at some point and they have they have broken down those discussions and decided hey we can pass these on to our you know to our commercial users who will you know put this in the corporate checkbook and most people won't blink an eye not realizing that this error message is going to be on Twitter immediately and cause a whole kerfuffle of people being upset with blacked out images. One of the things I've used adobe creative cloud for before is their library of stock images sounds and samples. Now, currently I think they're all royalty free but if there were a thing where they licensed a library say from first calm or BMI or whatever to do, you know background bed music and stuff for for video creations and stuff. They fall afoul and then someone comes around says well no you can't use that anymore so any reference to these old libraries that are in your project suddenly just get deleted. I think that I think there would be a lot of angry users because you're working with the assumption that up until this point I get to keep those elements as part of my project and then my final work. Well, and I rather I do think that it's a separate issue but I do think that points to the concern that we've that lot of people have not just with adobe being oh I got to pay the however much a month and I'll pretend to cancel every year so I get the cheaper rate you know whatever. Like the you know being on the hook for these subscriptions with adobe, but it also speaks to it's not just that adobe is updating these. Oh yes you get the latest features that's a nice benefit of being a subscription service right I never oh I they rolled out this new healing tool and now I get that. That's awesome. That's great that I get that as a benefit of my subscription but there are more dynamics to this kind of software and this is a particular one where things can go away that you have no control over. This is a B to B thing. A licensing fight between you know it's like the equivalent of a carrier dispute. It feels like a lot of ways where I don't I don't have any agency as a user to be like no no no don't break anything. I just want to use the software that I paid for. I didn't pay for the software I paid for the service to use it and now adobe is or Pantone you know this is again that I'm not the point fingers here for whatever reason now I have less functionality with my software that I am still paying for every single month. I just I just I just don't get it if I draw a picture let's say I draw a really lovely cloud and a tree and I use only Pantone colors and this license expires and I don't pay more money. Does my image just disappear. So in this in this particular case your exported image would be fine like if you have already saved it and you've saved this artwork. It's not going anywhere because that's like baked in obvious obviously but that's that's baked in. But if you open that PSD file and you that had your corporate branding like if you were using those specific colors you're probably using intentionally because you want that matching that Pantone offers. And yes these would be based on user reports that we're seeing right now these would be blacked out unless you pay for that extension for just a mirror $90 a year. Wow, that's part of it feels unseemly a part of it feels like this is how the industry works because I've seen similar things with in broadcast when you have music libraries that go missing because no one wants to pay the licensing fee anymore. And I'm wondering moving forward is there a better system where it's just like OK you pay this and I mean at some point it's called buying software Roger. No at some point nesting licensing and subscriber fees the whole point of it is to make this a very simple process for for creators and it sounds like it's getting more complicated than it needs to be. Surely just just wrap it into the creative cloud description I mean that's the only simple way to do this. I mean this sounds to me this just sounds completely ridiculous. It does seem weird that they wouldn't just be like all right you can pay $2 more and you never see this or something some kind of term like that where they had to have known Adobe had to have known that this would be a black eye and it's going to come back on them even if it's again. Anytime there's a B2B dispute that bleeds over into consumers consumers don't care they're going to blame whoever shows them the message. That's why I compared to a carriage dispute like we always blame we always blame the cable provider and the network is usually like OK it's because my cable provider is giving me the error message it's telling me it's the one telling me it's broken I have no relationship with Pantone. Right. So that that is always where I feel like these things happen all the time it's just consumers aren't aware of them. And this is a weird example of it of it coming over. Wow. I have learned a lot today. I mean tomorrow I'm going to look at the window I'm going to be a rainbow. There's going to be a black line through the rainbow because someone's removed. Only if it's a corporate branded rainbow. Only if it's a corporate brand. Give it time. Well if you have a thought about something that you've heard on this show but don't know our email address. Here it is. Check it out. Feedback at Daily Tech News show dot com. Well go ahead Roger. As expected it's been a week of tech. Been a bit of a week for tech earnings earlier this week Microsoft saw a steep decline in Windows license revenue. Metal reported its second straight quarter of year in year revenue decline and Alphabet saw YouTube an ad revenue drop. Well now it's Amazon's turn for underwhelming Q3 financials. They earned twenty eight cents per share on revenue of fifteen percent of the year to one hundred and twenty seven point ten billion dollars, which is by my accounting a lot, but below analyst estimates. AWS generated twenty point five billion dollars in revenue up twenty seven point five percent on the year, but its slowest rate of year over your growth since twenty fourteen. That's quite a while. It's operating income of five point four billion dollars accounted for all of Amazon's overall two point fifty three billion dollar profit. Its ad business grew twenty five percent on the year to nine point fifty five billion dollars. Now in its quarter Q4 earnings Apple earned one dollar and twenty nine cents per share on a record revenue of ninety point one five billion of eight point one percent on the year. Both beat analysts estimates. Revenue was buoyed by strong growth in its Mac business up twenty five point three nine percent to eleven point five one billion dollars. While iPhone revenue grew nine point six percent sixty seven percent on the year. It missed analysts estimates with forty two point sixty three billion dollar services and iPad revenue also missed analysts estimates with iPad revenue down thirteen point oh six percent on the year to seven point seventeen billion. And rounding out the financial news in Intel's Q through the company earned fifty nine cents per share on revenue of fifteen point thirty four billion dollars down fifteen percent of the year. Then you say, OK, Amazon was up fifteen percent. They missed analysts estimates. Well, Intel was down fifteen percent. They beat analysts estimates. Its network and edge segment was the only one to see revenue growth in the quarter up fifteen percent to two point twenty seven billion dollars. Data center and AI was down twenty seven percent to four point twenty one billion dollars. Well, it's client computing group. And this includes PC chips fell seventeen percent to eight point twelve billion dollars. Now, that's a lot of we threw a lot of percent. Lots of billion dollars. It feels like pretend money when we're talking about hundred twenty seven point ten billion dollars. But Nate, anything standing out to you and in these in these three earnings report or just kind of this kind of crazy weekend. Yeah, I mean, overall, I mean, this is this is something that Bloomberg, my head is in twenty four hours a day, pretty much. And if you want to talk about billions, you can even talk about trillions. Because if you look at some of the market value of these companies, in fact, if you add up the big, you know, some of the big tech companies, they've lost about half a trillion dollars in market value recently because investors have basically said this is terrible. All of these companies are suffering from the same fundamental problems. That is to say things like inflation and currency as opposed to anything fundamentally wrong with their products. And they're all and they're all doing very, very badly. So you have seen investors fleeing. And the other the other side of this that is particularly interesting is if you if you look at what some of the analysts are saying about these companies is that it is a it's a fundamental problem with what's going on in the business. We're talking about recessions. We're talking about inflation. We're talking about currency problems. That's not set to immediately get better at all. And a lot of these companies stock that their shares are still extremely expensive. You know, they have been decimated this year, not literally decimated, but they've been they've been hit very, very hard over the course of this year because people, you know, investors are saying, well, look, this isn't going to get better in the short term. These companies are extremely highly valued and they are extremely risky. And now the price has come down a lot because investors have pulled their shares and so the price has gone down. But people analysts specifically are still saying they're very, very expensive. And that means they're very risky because there's no immediate sign of this getting better. So the TLDR version of all that is that it's been really bad and no one's expecting it to get better anytime soon. Which means it's a trend we can probably see continuing. Certainly investors are expecting it to continue and we're not really seeing any indicators that's about to change. So one of the things that seemed kind of interesting was that the Apple Mac revenue actually increased. Now, is that because Apple has done something significant or counter counter counter fluctuation to what's going on in the market broadly? Like, is there something about the Mac that has people wanting to buy those instead of buying new PCs? Well, I will say it is interesting to see that especially given the overall PC market has basically been like, everything's down. Everything from memory chips we just talked about on Daily Tech Headlines yesterday, Seagate is cutting like 3,000 jobs. Like the overall PC market, we're seeing this with Microsoft and Intel. There's just a dearth in PC demand and really weird to see that for Mac. Now, obviously they're still in the first phase of their Apple Silicon transition, which I think has churned a lot of users. And they've released some of their first professional PCs in the last two quarters with the Mac Studio being like their first kind of really high powered workstation style. I know it's not the Mac Pro, but it's a fairly high margin device for them. But it does definitely seem notable even with all that to not just that it stayed flat, but that it basically was the reason they beat expectations. I mean, they still had record revenue, but one of the reasons they beat expectations is because the Mac sales were so strong. I'm wondering if you look at the chips. The M1, the M2, that is a big drive of why those Macs have been so popular without question. And is it possible that those sales are actually people not buying those instead of buying a PC? So in fact, adding to the kind of depressed sales on the Intel side for client hardware. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't have much to add. It's because it's a very interesting, like, you know, if people are jumping ship and say I'm going with the Mac because of the M1, because of the M2. And they're just like, well, next time I upgrade, I'm not upgrading my Intel powered laptop to another Intel powered laptop. I'm going to go M1, I'm going to go M2. I mean, I have definitely put that through my head a few times about, you know, ditching my PCs, getting a Mac. The one thing I'll say real quick, this may not be the thing of top mind for a lot of consumers, but Amazon's cloud revenue, it's slowing down. It's still like the reason that Amazon is a profitable company is AWS. So that cannot be understated. But Google Cloud and Azure are growing faster. Now they're much smaller. Google Cloud's like a third of what AWS generates and very key. They're not profitable at all yet. So it is interesting to watch this cloud race as it develops, as Amazon continues to be the 800 pound gorilla in the room, almost the legacy player, the dominant player in that market, and how it is going to fend off, you know, continue to growth as its business perhaps settles into a more routine growth going forward. All right, well, we're just about done with that. So Roger, what's in the mailbag? Well, we got an email from Sam who wanted to comment on the Twitter content moderation story we had yesterday with Justin Robert Young. And he wanted to say, my personal experience on Twitter is quite good, but I think that could be attributed to two things. One, the list of people I follow is quite well curated. And two, I am not in any way quote unquote famous and I don't post on Twitter. So while one can certainly be covered under Elon's idea of people being able to configure their Twitter experience, I think two is the hard part. You can do a lot of harassing of people on Twitter without it being illegal. And I don't immediately see how you can configure yourself out of this issue without just blocking interaction with anyone you don't follow by default. But I'll not discount Elon's attempt yet. I don't have a very high opinion of him mostly because he posts too much stuff. I don't really consider having a Tesla because of this, for example, because I don't like the way he keeps just shouting that stuff is almost there. And yes, I acquired electric car last year, so it was actually in the market, but I'm not turning running away from Twitter. If he doesn't do anything that makes my experience significantly worse, I'll stick around. Yeah, Nate, I mean, how is your Twitter timeline experience being, you know, a journalist, certainly? Do you think it comes down to just curate the list while? Yeah, I mean, I don't really use Twitter anymore. I deleted all my tweets. I still keep the account because I've got thousands of followers and I just can't bring myself to delete it. But I deleted all the actual tweets. If you look at my feed, there's nothing there. So I am genuinely quite curious if something changes here fundamentally that brings me back. Because I don't really know what Twitter is anymore. Yes, it's useful as a journalist, but LinkedIn is far more useful to me as a journalist than Twitter. And if Elon changes it and makes it more appealing to me, then I'll go back whether or not he's Elon in charge. I won't be following him, but I'll post if it's useful. It's definitely very similar to me where I just kind of left Twitter on cruise control. And, you know, depending on the decisions and the direction he takes the company, I might revisit that decision, use it more. But at this time, it's just sort of out in the left field for me. Yeah, I am on team curate all the feeds. I Marie condoed everything and asked if it gave me joy and whittled down my list a couple of years ago. Definitely better for it. But I admit, you know, if you're posting a lot or if you have a certain level of notoriety, I know that gets exponentially harder. Well, before we get out of here, we have to thank Len Peralta, who's been drawing one of the stories of today. Now, Len, you were doing a lesser known story from today, right? Yes, I always introduce myself as drawing the top tech stories of the week. So I feel this is probably the biggest one, right? I mean, not Elon buying Twitter, but him walking into Twitter headquarters with a sink. So this is an image of Elon walking in with a Twitter bird inside of a sink. And he has some colorful words to say. This does not in any way indicate how I feel about Elon or hopefully, you know, it's just I'm not making a statement. But if you're not going to check it out, go check it out. It's at patreon.patreon.com forward slash Len. You can if you're if you're a backer there, you can immediately download that cool image, which is called Musk sink in. And the other thing is you can get it just normally at my online store. Len for all the store.com and celebrate my birthday this weekend by purchasing something, maybe even this print. Well, happy, happy birthday to you, Len. And also happy to have Nate Langston on the show. Nate, thank you so much for for lending your expertise, especially on the earning stuff. That was really great stuff. Where can people find text message and all the other great stuff? Yeah, I mean, my stuff professionally is at Bloomberg.com. I'm a tech editor over there. My podcast UK tech show dot com. That is the place to go. The great feedback I get from particularly from overseas listeners because we're quite UK focused is that it gives you guys context because we tend not to talk about the stuff you've already heard of. And we talk about stuff that is quite local to here. 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