 There we go. Good morning. Good morning. How's it? How's it everybody and thank you for being here once again And this lovely little morning that we have here what it's it's I say lovely It's it it's it's a great winter's morning, but there we go now before we get started. Unfortunately Ed is not able to join us today at the very last minute His mom took a bit of a turn and he's had to take her to the hospital So I'm sure that we are all wishing her well that there's hopefully nothing too serious But yes, unfortunately, he's not able to make it. It's obviously family always comes first with these things So you get the pleasure of listening to me Just you know talk amongst myself, which is a thing but today as some of you may know I am In the process of putting together some prints for sale, which is the first time I've done this in for ever So I'm a combination of extremely nervous very excited and all that kind of thing and today Ed and I had planned on discussing you know the process of Putting prints together to you know for a body of work to sell and how you group those It's just basically the the ideas that go behind making sure That you know, hopefully whatever whatever so Prince you try to sell will be a success and So what it's a to begin with I think what it's just me today as you've guessed So what I'm gonna say is if you have Some questions or what have you please pop them in the chat. I do have some I can see your questions down here We've got everybody. We've got Beth. Good morning, Beth. We've got Patech Hi, he's new to the channel. Hi Patech. That's nice to have you and Dante from Florida. Wow. Okay, so either you're up very early Up early up early and then Robin rides from Australia so I'd love this this idea of all these people coming together from around the world with this this is enjoyment of photography now Those of you who watched the video last week of me getting those images from the print space through We'll have noticed I was quite excited about all of the you know, they were seeing my work in print It was it was fantastic and the reason I made those printers because obviously, you know First and foremost if you are going to be selling your work You want to make sure that the people who are are printing your work? Do a good job It's funny to sort of have to kind of say that to myself But having been around the block a while and you know Made lots of prints for families over the years There is a huge difference first and foremost in the quality of of prints that you can get from various print sources So I'm using the print space Down in London and they're very good. They have a whole big setup there for the handles dropshipping prints Specifically and I'm very always be very pleased with their work So, you know, if you are thinking about you know making prints that you want to sell at a local art market Or craft fair or something of that nature. It's it's tempting to get cheap prints made but Do yourself a favor even if it's just like a little small print get like one of the Costco things or something That's online, you know, like they'd like 10 p.m. Print or something and then compare it to a Print from a like a proper lab and see the difference, right? So that's kind of first and foremost You know that the quality does absolutely matter now there was something else that Jumps to the to the forefront when I'm thinking about selling prints online or in person as well Is that the last time I tried this and this is going back now? 20 odd years something in that sort of region that I Just took a bunch of images that I quite liked and I just popped them up on a shelf and Okay, this this is that some people might like them and you know, they might not what have you but I didn't give any thought about The images themselves how they work together. What sort of feeling did they give the perspective buyer? Are they just random images now if you have been to a flea market or somewhere that sells prints Often you'll see those those buckets You know those buckets of prints that people have and you kind of flick through the mounted mounted prints and often Those photographs can be a real mishmash of a work You know a bird and then there's a building and then there's a person and there's a leaf or something and For me as a prospective purchaser of those images It it makes me feel kind of like all over the place that I Wanted one thing and then I'm being confronted with something else and then I've been confronted with something else. So it keeps confusing me And that was the first Aspect that I had to think about when I was you know putting this this body work together is to think What is it? That I want to actually say with my work and I'm gonna bring in my little Rings and we'll make it a bit bigger than right. Let's go. There we go. Because you don't you want to see the images not you don't See me Prettish what I'll do is I'll go through at the end if you've got any questions guys just just drop them in the comments and What it is I'll answer the question but The end but yeah, and so Basically, you know to begin with I kind of think well, what is it that I want to sell? This is the question I was asking myself now I've been taking photographs for a long time I have a lot of work that I could go through in the archives and pick out and try and you know try and You know hopefully sell But I thought hang on a second if I if I do that again if I go back and I'm just kind of going Oh, I quite like this picture I look quite like a picture that they end up being a bit disjointed because over time my style has changed the Approach in terms of visually, you know what I've changed now You may notice all these pictures here as well on the screen. They're all in color. These are the originals So this is part of the process because I want you to kind of See what I'm doing from a from a flat starting point You know that I haven't worked on these at all I've just imported them into a folder that I've already done the culling these these kind of guys I think that you know, they're the ones that I'm kind of like leaning towards this offering now It's through this process of Starting to learn how to sell prints online because this is this is new to me. I've listened to Ed You know, I've talked to Ed as well about you know, his experiences and in selling books and things of that nature I've spoken to a photographer called Scott French if you go on YouTube and you search for Scott French You'll see his series of images where he talks about the process he was the guy who put me on to print space about the drop shipping and and making that side of things easier and This is kind of I think this I suppose the word due diligence where I'm thinking Do you know I wanted I want to do this and but I want to do it well They're finding out all the sort of things that you know the options available and one of those things was the idea of collections now I Eluded earlier that in the past. I've just taken pictures that I felt with the kind of cool ones And then just kind of all lumped them together and that's what the guys who are doing with their box of boxes of prints They're doing but I want People to see the work The way that I kind of would like them to see the work This means very simply Putting images together in collections that work Thematically All right, so you look at my my images here For example, what you can see on the screen right now is mostly very angular images You can see these these kind of they all sort of follow a certain theme They have but if I go sort of somewhere down Here for example That doesn't feel like it's thematically linked To something like that And this is kind of what my first step was is like these are the images that I really like but there's 181 images it right, are there enough in here to make small very focused collections of of a work that I feel could stand together and I've started going do you know what actually there is I've got some bits and bobs and One of the the great things about sort of doing some some research through Through Scott and Ed and please like the Prince base is that there's been a whole bunch of really kind of cool interesting helpful stuff To make selling of prints successful and one of the things that the Prince base mentioned they said well You can always have like a permanent collection and this is where I kind of I was like, you know Why haven't I thought about this? What they're suggesting is when you're trying to sell prints online, you know, just put out your prints and say there you go Do you like them or don't you like them? You want to have It feel like this is a It's about say a real body work, but maybe that's not quite the same But you want something that when you when people go to the to the website when they go to the gallery page They go, do you know this feels like I've walked into a gallery that is a serious place Right. There's I will get onto idea of pricing stuff just now, but you're giving the the You're giving the pre the the idea that this is a I was about to say worthy and it's not there, but this this is a proper gallery, right? This is this is proper art for want of a better word. And so the Prince base said look, you know have a Selection of images. This is the wrong one I haven't got my permanent one there we go and That have a selection of images that could be like your permanent Collection like if you went into a gallery, these would be the pieces You know have the wall holes and stuff like that and that's kind of where you could say Do you know I've got some really great photographs that I love and I'm just trying to see if I can actually bring them up here and without Going to There we go. Here's my permanent ones, right? So if they don't fit into your Bodies of work that you you're you're collating, right? So like this particular image, but you've still got a place for them in your gallery Right, so that was kind of quite. Oh, of course. That's so simple. So these are the images that I've decided I would like to offer in the permanent collection. This is my most recent favorite image. I love it Just absolutely, you know, this is an image I took in Scotland many years ago Again, it doesn't really fit into anything else thematically So I kind of put it to one side the same with this. This is in Frankfurt Zoo I used to go through a phase of lots of signs that I love and what I love about all these and this is also a perennial Favour of mine did that the end of summer He says is the one that what I love is that that's given me a place to put those guys and now I can actually concentrate on Going in finding a collection of Images that work together because I think that's that is so important as the first Aspect in getting this solid and getting work. So what I would do is I'm just going here. Okay, well, let's have a look, you know, these these are images They're quite like I'm gonna put these together. Okay, so let's see how these kind of feel all right, okay, so I think that the the the image of this one on the right-hand side that feels like it's kind of Not quite right for that sort of collection. All right, so we can get rid of that and then Something like this Okay, now that this this this one here with that. I've just added in of the of the of the Elevator lift whatever you want to call it. It feels very similar to the one next to it Right and that's kind of another trap that I've fallen into in the past when I got started with the selling images to to family and friends Not family friends. Sorry to to families Is that you want to show a lot of images? You want to show tons of pictures because if you show tons of pictures somebody might like what you have to show Right, and that's kind of them. You know, everybody's got if I show them a lot when when the opposite is actually true I found that when I was Selling family portrait photos the lot of photographers would show the family maybe like a hundred fifty two hundred images and that's that's that's a lot That is a huge amount of images and they thought I was nuts that I would show a family maybe 15 maybe 20 Photographs because how about how can you sell collections and things? It's like because I'm only showing them just a few Images not bombarding them with a million choices to say what you prefer the one where your child looks like this Or the one where your child looks like that, you know that you as a photographer Need to be able to own this stuff to say this is what I think you want to watch Right, I would look at what you want to purchase what I would like you to buy So that's I think so important when you Look at your your own Photographs when you're thinking about selling them is not to try and just shocker the whole You know everything that you have just and I hope that something will stick Be committed good. You know what I like this photograph, but it doesn't quite fit I like these two images, but one of these they're too similar, right? There's not enough difference To to make things You know to make things sort of stand out so similar like yeah, these two images very much the same So which one do I choose? So when you go through, you know go through check them out Make do this do this exercise, you know get a get a very broad list of favorites here We are there's a whole bunch of favorites and then go through and see if you can group them thematically I already know kind of two or three groups that I have I've I've decided that one of them is going to be called Deconstructed And the stems from somebody once saying that I they felt like my photographs are kind of like an alien Sort of just seeing bits of things. So like something like that Something like this Something like that. It's rather than the whole building. It's the small thing as deconstructed So I have deconstructed in in mono But then also there are photographs that work really nicely I feel in color Right, so you can sort of see that these now also totally different feel, right? Totally different collection of prints, but these now sort of work together. Okay, the railway There's this car one doesn't it shouldn't be in there nor naughty little naughty little image. I'm just an Unlabeled there is a shortcut for that one. There we go, right? So these so this is kind of like alright So here's a collection. This is 12 images. I think 12 is probably too much. I think you know as a small collection, maybe sort of 10 image Takaharu has taken me back to my To my family portrait days with these comment. I'll get on to them just in a moment But yeah, these are kind of the things that we go char. All right This now feels like this could be something that sits together There's thematics and it works in color if I made all these black and white then they would kind of they would get lost So it gives people a choice. Do people want a big bold color? I mean, this is if you if you have like a let's say 1970s kind of house this orange is right up your street If you just like you go I put that in the in the kitchen because we will have things so those kind of you know So choices that you need to sort of sort of make that you again You're going to own the images now just very briefly before I sort of get on to other bits and bobs about things Okay, I'm gonna check on a couple of questions here because we've got loads of people You know Patech has been asking you know, do you have a like price guide? Or think you can ask princes to do free test prints and In terms of like price guides, I think there's sort of two questions that we'll answer the second one first Can you get princes to do free test prints? Yes, you can However, there's be caveat with that is you need to be a customer of those you need to you need to have a relationship with your Printers, right when I was running at the windows running my studio I had a very good working relationship with A company called Kaleidoscope Shoesbreed, I think it was Laura was was fantastic there and I was I was made swollen and because I Spent a reasonable amount of money with them every year because I met them at various Conventions and things like that that we know we had a couple of drinks together stuff I got then yes, you get like oh some discounts on samples You can get a free test print you can get X1Z, but it takes time to build up these relationships So if you are thinking about You know having framework made stuff like that Try in and as much as you can Be somebody who they know connections connections connections and in regards to sort of price guides it's Pricing is is all like a how much is how long is a piece of string kind of kind of process? and There was somebody else asked about pricing as well Take a Haru, I think and it wasn't wasn't there, but You know so what happens is that you have some pricing and People will sit there and ask the old age old question. How much do you charge for an 8x10? This was always the question of people would people not not not clients but other photographers and how much do you charge for an 8x10 and And and first you would say well, why are you selling 8x10s? You really shouldn't be selling 8x10s But what we kind of do is that As a family photographer, I Obviously wanted to sell as much as I could to to people but also make it feel like it was it was always their choice And we give them offers not present like a huge amount of like Images and say like these are all like a thousand pounds each and stuff like that is to you know to create collections to to create Work that had a value and and most importantly as a as a photographer with a studio would allow me to make a profit That was always kind of thing the art world is slightly different and there is a I think a feeling and of course, I'm just I'm making Summations based on nothing more than what I've been reading and from talking with other people is that it is more about I think the presentation that you you give if you sit there and you go well here is a I don't have any prints near to hand right, but if here is like an 8x10 and I'm it cost me five pounds to print so I'm going to sell it for 35 pounds right because people have always just sat there and gone Do you know what? I'm just going to and this is not just photographers. This has been artists throughout the years They're gonna go how much of the material cost me? Okay. I'm taking that cost plus X right and and not really kind of paying much attention to it in regards to the price guides stuff like I think you just need to kind of Test the waters see what you like There was always an age old There was always a nice adage that I liked in the family portrait industry where he said if you can afford your own work Then you're charging too little Just it was kind of cool. Um, but you know it you want things to have a certain cash aid But also you don't want to make them extravagantly Expensive, but again, it's you know, it's up. It's up to you and you know Warren you asking about Dropped it, but how do you handle collectors who want a signed copy? There's part of the present now. There is a thing that you can do with Prince base We can do limited editions so that they are limited obviously to number of runs if you wanted to if somebody said they wanted a Physically signed print as opposed to digitally signed print That's also an option that can be made because obviously I have the prince in to me And then I can sign it personally and then it can get shipped off to whoever purchased it Yes, so these yes, so there there are some options in them these days, you know people quite good And and again, you know, I think once you get into that that area of people wanting that kind of level of Uniqueness then it just yeah, you kind of need to handle it just ever so slightly differently, but the option option is always always there. It's just needs a bit more a little bit more of a Little bit more of a of a system, but there we go Who else got a common a Takahara common sales tactic is not to ask which color do you want an item you trim down to do You want white or black? Yeah, people get lost in decisions. It's the same. That's the same if there was a there was a question once That's used always struggle at the studio when you sort of sit there and go You know, and if you are selling your own prints physically in person then Then heed this piece of advice When people have have sort of picked up some of your prints and They're about to pay and you're getting all excited because now people have bought your prints on I'm about to say and and I used to do this and we go like that is going to be 300 pounds Is that okay? You know, and you're like, that's not Because I was always like really worried about them of course I can say it's not okay because they want those less a Way around that is to go that will be 300 pounds How would you like to pay will there be cash or car and that's it? You know, that's you know, it's it's kind of negates that whole sort of thing that That worrying about people so you get excited about people buying your prints. I think because that that's I'm at the same Process right now. I'm just like, I want you know, I get get the prince. I want to get the prince I want to get a prince. I want to make these cells. It's because and it's like I'm I'm really excited to see What the reaction is is it might be crickets? It might be kind of amazing might you be somewhere between I think a bit combination of all three but you know This this is why we did I want to sort of you know, sort of help people along this journey This is why I'm kind of like opening up about this this process because it's it is something that I had been wanting to do for For years years and years and years to make My own prints to sell them but because I'd been knocked back a bit when I was younger that my confidence about selling images had Had sort of gone a little bit by the way, so that my own personal work I have to sort of say rather than some images for family then, you know, it was kind of like You know, it this this is this is now something and part of this confidence has come from from, you know, you guys just watching You know watching the what the you know what you're From watching the channel of you know, giving great feedback You know all these other things sorry to the monsters disappeared into that Images Oh, I know why because I've put it on the thing and you know Totally lost my train of thought, you know, don't you hate it when you lose your train of thought? It's it's terrible. There we go So, you know, so this this kind of this idea About you know, finally doing something that I've always wanted to do that I felt that if I didn't do this if I don't try this then I'm going to spend another five years wondering what if and And pretty soon it's going to be like I it's too late Well, it's not it's never too late, but I think you know, what you know, I'm still getting it. It's like it's too It's too gone that, you know, I'm still going, you know, is this something that is worth pursuing to Try out to see what it's like You know and and hopefully, you know, it gets some sort of enjoy personal enjoyment from from, you know From presenting these images for sale You know, because you know, just I think I think the worst thing would be to to keep these sort of hidden away When I first started on the channel, I was very reticent about showing my own work as certainly everybody who is You know, everybody who was Was around at the beginning, you know, I didn't really show my work when people said I wanted to show you work I'll tell you what the channel is not about me. It's about photography and and just it's not the Alex Kilby hour and A lot of that was kind of I was nervous I was nervous about showing my work I think we all are, you know, anybody says they're not is probably, you know Talking out their poop ball, but I was just kind of like, oh, you know, what if nobody likes and what if everybody goes, ah, there's rubbish and Stuff in that nature And over time I kind of got a little bit more confidence about what I was sort of showing and some of the certainly some of the Feedback from other photographers who have seen the work You know, it's been very encouraging That's kind of made me feel that, you know, maybe there is there is something in this and and I'd like to also be open about it Because I want people to come and feel like this is a journey that they can go on as well You know, all you guys who are sitting here, you know, even if you have like maybe like five photographs That you think, oh, this could be so cool. It's this idea just kind of like, do you know what? Set it up make a collection Right find a drop shipper something like we'll just find something to make some good prints for you locally Get it get a market at a craft fair or something like that And don't just have like a bucket of prints that people are going to flick through right make some statement pieces I'm mindful about, you know, that I'm also also shipping these around the world and stuff like that so shipping costs kind of get out of hand pretty quickly But if you aren't doing stuff in person, right, don't just sit there and make The eight by 10 Hello, right, especially landscape photographer make make the biggest prints you can you can afford to make a 30 inch Right, the 30 inch is is and when I talk about size, I always talk about just the longest edge All right, the 30 inch it's reasonable size if you can afford a 40 or maybe maybe a 60 I think 60 might be pushing it, but Try it out see the difference see how many people come over to your stand and talk to you All right, and and I think you just you would absolutely See be blown away and and as always, you know, if you've got any thoughts about that or you know If you'd be nervous about it, you know, just I just dropped some things in the comments and then sort of share it because this this idea about like a public This is this public school thing. I'm nervous too um, I think it really makes a huge difference to see that, you know, this is the process that everybody goes through that that You know photographers and artists in general. I don't you know, it's not like they just kind of Shut up one day start sending prints and everybody buys their stuff. It doesn't work like that there is a process you go through not least from your side of putting Collections together of of deciding in terms of pricing what's right print space and they're actually very good They have a like a pricing guide system um, because obviously, you know, when you start listening to these people who sell a lot of work on behalf of other people um, they are they are key Sources of of information Because I would you know, especially in the family portrait business you get to talk to people Who they know what the other studios are doing they know what all the other places are doing And so they kind of they don't tell you actual figures But you can read between the lines and find out A lot of stuff about them. So this is kind of, you know These are all these these pictures. I love all this kind of stuff I love it. I just i'm so excited to share Share with my my favorite toilet as well This is down in Cape Town somewhere. Um, but you know, it it's all this kind of stuff if you go through your work and you find Snippets of of images that are working for you put them together as a collection Then you've got, you know You've got the starting you've got the whole sort of thing. I you know, you don't need to have People just kind of, you know Falling all over yourself. So just just get your work out there Right, even if it's just one image Right, if nobody buys it then that's fine. You know, nobody buys at least you've taken that step You've made the the beginning. Um, just stuff like that. So I'm going to have so go through some of the the questions So it's got black sickness loving this as you mentioned depends on the market. We sell in the uk and people scared of A five five pound for digital digital image In hong kong we charge 30 pound marks difference as shame Yeah, so so that's kind of, you know, selling digital images people would sit down and they would go like, oh, how much is this for disc? You know, uh, you know, how much for the all the all the images on the disc And they expect it to be the cheapest option because then they'll go and have their own prints made And you're like, what is not because if I sell you a disc of images then it's you're kind of Oh, it's a whole other discussion, but yeah, you're kind of it's it's not the cheapest option um, you know, you could buy images on on usb at my studio, but But they were only part of a collection which somebody else and robert was asking about Um, is it worth doing photography bundle for my customers? Um depends on kind of I don't know what your customers are um, and things like that And but bundles collections, whatever you want to call them In the studio worked a treat especially with family photography because you're sort of sitting there going well you got one of You know the family together you got one of the kids together You've got some of the kids individually you've got mum and the daughter's dad and the son's You know these kinds of so you can bundle these things together You can say look you can have this collection. You get a 30 inch you get 224s you get three 16s Um, and then that all comes out to you're 1500 quid And and that's great because that ticks all the boxes and then if you get that I'll throw in a couple of seven by five so you can get to the granny's You know, so it's those things of that. Yes. So bundles kind of work work really nicely. Um, either you're asking, um You know what your camera's an older a s a psc And eight and a half by 11 is biggest print with images still looking good. Um this is this kind of It it's a it's a it's a thing I think you've got you need to kind of decide about your own quality and what you think is is kind of Uh good enough Kodak used to have Like these technical manuals That came with various things and and I remember there was one that was when you ran a color process and I you manually Processed color film and you had to put it through a densitometer and it would read off all the Certain values of the colors and they used a phrase in this book It wasn't like right wrong and then correct. They used customer acceptable And I think that's a fantastic phrase this idea that something is acceptable to the customer You should I think bear in mind with a lot of these things that yes There will be some photographers Maybe he would purchase your own your work and yeah, I think you'd be surprised scott has certainly mentioned In my discussions with him the house surprised he was that The majority of the people who bought his prints were photographers. It was like wow, that's kind of cool. Um But you know, it kind of it comes down to what it is You want to say some of these images that we we've you know, I've been showing up on the screen And they are in fact most of these are all um, you know photographed on an iphone, all right, so Okay, they're not going to be the world's Sharpest or just crazy, you know resolved images and stuff like that, but It's not really for me about This idea of going up to a piece of art that I buy And so looking at it go You know, that's kind of that's I think it's about that piece that caught my attention from across the You know across the the the room. There's a piece of art that I I have That is like a line drawing of a bridge And we didn't buy it because of the the penmanship and stuff like that We bought it because it looked pretty cool And and it just it just appealed to us So in regards to sizes and things that nature there are ways of upsizing images these days if you want to print bigger If you want to have You know larger images I would say if you are kind of looking to sell prints You know The 8 by 12 thing. I think you need to kind of sort of push away From that. Um, but yeah, yeah, sort of print. Do you know print something out as a 24 inch? And see see what it looks like, you know, um, yeah, so you've got a dj mighty crack um Three different markets mass market art market finally, that's Yeah I think that's kind of you're right. There's there is a mass market thing Which is a stack of high selling cheap arrangement. Then you've got that art market. They've got fun I feel I'm kind of like I'm making that transition Hopefully into the middle section from the from the sort of more mass market, which I was trying earlier But yeah, we'll see see see what happens with that. Um Um So takahari said if I don't have a following of any description where the custom come from friends and family um, I think you This this is a be careful moment sort of thing It's like it's it's tempting to you know, get friends a family to buy things Then they will see the prince on the wall and other people say, where did you get that? So, okay I think it's extremely rare I'm talking from my own perspective That I've ever asked somebody where they got a particular piece from I think in all my my time that's maybe been once Uh, and it wasn't a photograph. It was a painting that I absolutely adored I eventually found I met the person who who owns it. I was like, oh my god, you had it. Where did you get them? I never like I don't remember I was like, I said, do you not have a name on the premise in there? And so I was like a bit annoying. Um, okay, if you don't have it a follow So, so what are we going to start with how are we going to get going? Um, I think it's it's sounds A bit maybe obvious, but you know places like instagram. That's a at least a starting point Uh, see if I was doing this from nothing I would I would certainly want to get as many people to see the work as as possible. So things like Now are we going to get some eyeballs on this stuff now you could say maybe is there are there some um, um, you know, is there like a raffle charity raffle locally Uh, that you could be involved in could you could you do a project? That maybe would um, you know, maybe have some sort of public interest Gathered around it something something to get the ball rolling that you can then get some eyeballs on your work The print space have said and you know long lines of things like that people kind of need to see your work I think what do they say like 20 to 30 times or something like that before they start considering it As something they could they could purchase right And and I don't know if I necessarily would go along with that idea Um, somebody would need to see your work to anything because I've certainly bought work on a whip but You know, it does it does sort of I certainly given I give a um It gives That The credence is no, that's the wrong word. It certainly I think it gives away the idea that yes people need to see your work All right, so that idea you get the you get like something local going on get yourself an instagram page I know it sometimes feels like it's an uphill struggle or things of that nature Um, you know go rent some gallery space somewhere Do do something Does at least it's going to get some work Out there. It doesn't happen overnight You know, it absolutely does not it's you know, the photographic guy is three years old All right, so it's taken three years for me to get to a place where I'm kind of like this is taking me Uh, certainly regards to chow in in in regards to my photography It's taken me almost 20 years to get where I am now with my photography So it's not an overnight thing. It's not like I just kind of are just going to get there really quickly And it's going to be bang bang bang and we're done and it's kind of cool. It will take time that's You know, that's kind of where I'm I'm at the end of the long part of the journey This is the beginning part of the this is the second part of like the you know trying to sell these things Because you know a lot of these photographs it's been been out of time I know sorry. That's also skirting around the issue of like where to find an audience it's You just got to go where the eyeballs are I think you know and and probably as much as social media feels like it's a good place to go I would say you need to start Physically, you know build up some work you build up some interest locally something of that nature which Um, you know, which is which is there. So we got um and and rob. I think you know my prices cost was double it I've sold and made heaps Yeah, okay All right. So so rob, you know, he's he's he's got his approach He's selling some stuff on facebook and he shared the link on twitter my pricing is cost print plus The cost post in doublet have I sold made heaps? No, but in four years. I'm average six p So that's kind of I think this is this is I think, you know, it's interesting. We sort of drift away. There's there's two aspects here um Which I probably should have started talking around at the beginning but there's there's there's Shoot for the sale or shoot for the soul And what we're seeing here in my photography is What I want to shoot for in the soul, right? It would be Awesome, I think be awesome for everybody if some if a sachi person came along and Just I knew I know the next hot thing And and sort of paid massively inflated prices for the works because they just could then invest it But it's not going to happen like that. This is this is more I've got to a stage where I'm not looking specifically to make A living from selling prints, but I would like to offer something to people if they wanted it that I I feel is is work that now reflects me as a photographer and if somebody purchases that Then that's awesome And it's fantastic and you should never forget that how amazing it is when somebody you don't know Buys one of your images and that could be you know An eight by five or an 11 or whatever. Okay, but you know, it's still that thrill It is it's such a thrill. You know Warren, you know, he used to you know, be like a like a proper photographer Uh, you know and see you work in print and all sorts of stuff that first time I ever saw my work in print. I was just like, oh My god, this is so awesome And it's a similar thing with the print now that's you know, that if somebody buys or work and they go I like that enough to buy it and put it up on my wall or something like that. Then that's that's fantastic I think that is kind of you know, what we are are sort of aiming here for and And I think I'm really excited to share the journey and I have to say thank you all for you know for For coming along in this journey with me. Um, you know, we've got lots of questions here about You know, there's sort of dpi's and stuff like that um But yeah, you know the thing is if you have sort of questions Scott french Is he he goes into detail about the whole process of setting these things up and and his experiences with with selling stuff Um, you know ed thomas is again, if you're just you know, if you came halfway through I'm 40 ed. Um, he had to go off to to hospital with his mum. Um, which is uh, which is obviously a real shape Behold me back here again next week. Um, you know If you are interested in you know, sort of maybe picking up one of these prints for yourself Then there's a link in the description box below about Joining the kind of the invite for the opening of the gallery on the 1st of december When you sign up there, you'll see you get 25 pound gift card towards any of these prints, uh, which I this is This is not obviously the final bit now I'm keeping all that under under wraps to see how we go with all the stuff But you know, if anybody's got a question, I think we've kind of pretty good You know, Robert, he said he's had some exhibitions. I think you just share your experiences You know share if you've printed stuff out and and had crickets or if you've printed stuff out and and had You know people go wow that that's pretty cool. I'm buying the work I'd say thank you once again for joining me this early on a um on a monday morning Which is all good and stuff like that. Um, you know, I've really enjoyed talking with you I hope ed's mum gets okay as well soon And yeah, so thank you ever so much and look forward to uh to showing you with these prints on friday Thanks ever so much and I'll see you again soon