 All right. Well, welcome everyone to the Amherst Design Review Board meeting of April 24th, 2023. My name is Erica Zika and as the chair of the Amherst Design Review Board, I'm calling this meeting to order at 501 p.m. The meeting is being recorded and will be made available in the town of Amherst YouTube channel minutes for being taken. Pursuant to chapter 20 of the Acts of 2021 and extended again by chapter two of the Acts of 2023, this design review board meeting will be conducted via remote means using the Zoom platform. The Zoom meeting link is available on the meeting agenda posted on the website calendar listing for this meeting. Go to the design review board web page and click on the most recent agenda, which lists the Zoom link at the top of the page. No in-person attendance of the public is permitted. However, every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the meeting in real time via technological means. 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The DRB FY 2023 number 19. Joseph Dion of Lazy Lung's boutique. And again, item 20, Joseph Dion Lazy Lung's smoke shop. And then item 21, Ananda Dali Blue Mangle Cafe. We'll then approve March 27 meeting minutes, enter general public comment period and then attend to any other business not anticipated prior to the meeting. Let's get started with number 19. Joseph Dion Lazy Lung's boutique. Do we have a representative in attendance tonight. It just Ron from Lazy Lung's is here in the attendees panel I did just invite to make him a panelist so he has to accept on his end. And once he does he'll be able to talk to us. Fantastic and here's Ron now. Hi. Good how you doing. All right, thanks. Welcome we're happy to have you are you going to be presenting both the boutique and the smoke shop. Yeah, I will. I mean Joe's trying to get it with the link. He said he couldn't get in. I'm going to try to send it to him again, because I got in with it so let me just try to send it to him one more time. So I see. Sorry, I was gonna say I see Joe right now in the attendees so he should be on do you want me to. Okay. Okay, do you want me to. So do we make him a panelist as well Erica just so we can have the both of them. Joe join us as well and then run the question for you is would you like us to do the screen sharing or are you prepared to show the images on your screen. I would like you to do it only for the simple reason my baby my daughter had a doctor's appointment. I'm kind of like. On the road. Gotcha. All right. I'm here. All right. So I have a handful of images from your proposal, these three. If you would please introduce us to your project and tell me which images you'd like to see I will continue sharing them. Okay, well I see the one that you have that's going into the alley. Okay, the really isn't a project so the sign that you're looking at right now was already there. We just put the lettering on it. Okay, and that's all we did. So there was really nothing there the sign was there, and we put the we put new lettering on it. It had the name of the old business on it. And if you go to the next one. Okay, well this, this is going to be the new one. Okay, this does not have a sign there yet. And basically that is just going to be a sticker that goes on the door and the sign underneath it is just the 21 you have to be 21 to enter that is supplied by the Massachusetts tobacco industry. And then the next one. Again, this was already there. All we did was change the name and the lettering on the front, but the canopy and everything was already there. It just had the previous business. Before we put out over. So. So anything to add. No, that's it. All right, and then I pulled up the street view the Google street view so we're talking about. This is the additional. Elevation exactly sign on the door. Yes. Yes. Okay. Let's go back to your image. I don't have any significant concerns. I'd love to open this up to other members of the DRB if you have questions or comments for the record. Tom. Erica, thanks Joe and Ron. My question was really just about the mass signage. I'm trying to figure out. Are those two different main entrances or are they linked internally so that we only have one main entrance and do we require additional signage for instance the main entry? Excuse me sir. There's two main entrances because they are two separate entities. Okay. One is one is lazy lungs LLC doing business as lazy lung smoke shop. And the other one is lazy lungs LLC doing business as lazy lungs to peak. Got it. Okay. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. It is actually two separate applications. It's just. So I saw that I was just, I was trying to figure out whether, whether they were connected or whether we need signage on both of those talking about being 21 or older or if that's just for the critique. And Lindsay, I see your hand. Yes. Hi. So my question is if the signage has already been made. Or if this is a digital image. On the one, on the one we're looking at. On either but I'm more, more curious about the awning. The one, the one on the alley and then you're on and I've already been done. The one on the door hasn't been done yet. This one has been done. That has been done. Okay. Um, you know, it makes it hard for us to comment if it's already been made in terms of giving you any suggestions that you can really utilize. If, if it hadn't been made, I would, I would say that I think one of the strengths of the previous sign that maybe something you could use here is just the clarity of the smoke shop aspect. But the phone number and the website feel, feel like information that would, would likely be listed somewhere else. And the signage on the front of the building would, would more benefit from the name of the business which you have and the function. So, I feel like the phone number and the website seem like they just seem like they're taking up a lot of real estate that could be used more valuably if you were to list what you're, what you're serving, what your business offers. But I don't know if that's something that I mean it sounds like that's kind of not useful now. I think that's enough within our purview, Lindsay, I think you make a very good point. You're here to serve as an advisory. If we wanted to recommend changes, we certainly could do that. Okay. I do, I do think and I'd be curious to hear other people's thoughts that unless the phone number and website or things that you're not that that you want to be really visible in that way. I just, I do think that it would be useful. I can't quite see what it says underneath the lazy lungs and blue boutique. Yes. And is it a smoke shop. The other size of smoke shop. Okay. Yeah, so I mean it might just be helpful, especially given that the name of the business is sort of, you know, it's a very stylized font, and I think it's playful and I have no problem with that. But it is a little hard to read, especially from a distance. And so it might be helpful to have some kind of just very clean graphics off to the side that indicate what you're selling at the boutique, so that people might have a sense before entering I think that sometimes when people don't know exactly what the business is selling they might be more hesitant to enter. Yeah, I'm sorry, I was going to step in. I agree and I understand where you're coming from the reason why the phone number was put up there was because there was a big confusion from the old business we want to separate ourselves from, you know, bad reviews that were there from the old business. We want to bring something very much different to the town and to people. So we wanted to kind of showcase that with a phone number because we did change the phone number so a lot of people were trying to call and we've been closed for a very long time I acquired this business, Ron you probably know better but I mean it's probably been three or four months, since we've even been able to open, and I've been paying for the old employees and keeping the appointment on there. So, you know the reason why the signage got there was because, you know, we wanted to let them know something new was coming we wanted to showcase that. It was kind of a dropage in, you know, with communication with, you know, we submitted everything and then I guess someone got sick or disappeared for a little bit, and we were waiting months to get even to where we are today. So we kind of pushed a little further than we should have maybe and we didn't really know what the time Amherst wanted with the sign boardage. So we didn't change the awning because the awning was, you know, obviously extremely expensive and then you know obviously we would have to go through a lot more jumps to change that so we just did the vinyl stickering over, which doesn't allow us for more real estate for the logo. It kind of only gives us, you know, a small little space. And the way the logo was is just not really stretchable to be bigger. So, in doing so we also changed from that being just the smoke shop to now being a boutique which sells multitude of stuff whether it be clothing candles, instant oils crystals we do all sorts of different things such as that. And now the other side is just the tobacco, which is more of the smoke shop, which say, did anyone hear me. Yeah, we heard you. Sorry, I was just waiting for any feedback from the. Yeah, I think, I mean, I think that all makes sense and it's helpful to know the history. I think just as an onlooker, the perspective is that you know that that space with the phone number and the website. I still think could be offering information to people passing by about the things that you're selling that you listed that I think could be very, you know, useful to advertise. But I understand, you know, I truly completely agree with you and again I think I just didn't want to be too loud with it just you know and, you know, it's definitely a more token thing nowadays but you know if you look in the glass and through the glass you can see the shelves there's there's a whole bunch of display places and there is glass pieces there and you know very much saying that it is a class store. But yeah I didn't want to be super loud with it and you know be overly, you know, you know, tobacco or, you know, glass product glassware whatever you may have. So I kind of kept it more subtle and didn't want to be too loud for the town in that sense. All right. Well let's see let's forward let's have a discussion then about whether we would like to take up Lindsay's recommendations or given that this is already in place. Just move to approve as is. Yeah, I 100% agree with Lindsay. So what if any if what can be done at this point I don't know. I like the color. It really pops out but it's fairly hard to read in that script. And again that's what you decided to do but just looking at it and from the parking lot. I think it's gonna be hard to read nobody's gonna have the clues to what it is. To me that the phone number and the website are just superfluous. Yeah, don't see why they're there but so I'm just going to say what I 100% agree with Lindsay, shut the words out of my mouth. We've been doing this a long time together Catherine so maybe. Well we could we could make a recommendation that the, the only be revised at this point that the phone number and web address come off the awning and are included in the window as a vinyl sticker. And that if the awning and was going to be renovated that sounds like the logo itself can't change, right the proportions are the proportions. But we could ask you to, if you wanted to add to the awning that it might say boutique or smoke shop there. I'm not capturing you currently. Yeah, and I guess, you know just to, and with respect to, you know, at this already having been made and trying to minimize cost. I don't know if there's a simple way of, of doing that but I think that we would, you know it would certainly be supportive of, however, the most critical approach. This is the place where our role as an advisory board and not as a, right. It doesn't become a mandate. So we can make the recommendation thinking that the best interests of the town and then they can follow through. Yeah. Tom, are you on on board with this. Yeah, I mean seeing as though it's already there. I don't necessarily. I wouldn't necessarily think that we would need to change it and they're the business owners and if they think that those are the, that's the information that people need in order to understand it's a new business and there's a lot of stuff online I'm not sure but I do agree that it would be nice to have a little bit more information about what we're selling and you have a lot of glass there to do that and so that might be a future permit to put some of that information on the I'm going to put it, you know, again replace the phone number and website up top and put that down on the glass and put some other there but, but I agree I don't I don't get a sense of, you know, the idea that this is a boutique and not necessarily tobacco shop, think that they're differentiating those two fronts is going to be really helpful for your audience so like where do I go for this where do I go for that. So I do think that for your own sake it would be beneficial to try to differentiate that for them. My guess is that they might know that already by the time they get there but I do think it would be important to do that in the future but again in terms of this already being created I don't really know if I'm forcing to change it at this point or at least encourage them to change it but I would think about some information to tell us what it is that we're looking at in each of these shops. I completely agree with you guys and I think you know moving forward I think that is the plan to definitely better it. I think putting the new phone number out there is to let them know that there is a number change. But I think moving forward, yes I think what our plan would be to do is to completely redo the on and completely redo everything. But you know as a business owner and I have seven businesses currently. I think right now, you know, I need to get you know and I've been paying employees for the last months now. You know that's a huge expense. I think moving forward I think you know I'm just trying to get us open and get us going and then you know yes there will be improvements. We do plan on I've been talking to Barry about repainting the whole building and you know cleaning up old place in the parking lot and you know bringing a lot of benefits to the area of over there but and I do agree I just don't know if that's in the budget at this moment but you know I definitely like to get things better. And I do agree with you guys. I'm going to make a suggestion, and that is that we approve it as is and then remind Joe and Ron and at all that they should come to the design review board first before implementing any additional changes for the next round. Of course. That's good to me. All right, so I then I need a motion to move forward. I'll second that. All those in favor of proving both application 19 and 20 for lazy lungs smoke shop and boutique, not necessarily in that order. Raise your hand. That's it. That's everyone. Thank you both for coming. Thank you. Take care. Thank my documents. Next up is blue mango. And I'm wondering if anybody is here to represent. For item 21, perhaps I'm on the Dolly or someone from Chuck signs. So there is David Dolly who's in the attendees so I'll promote him to be a panelist so you can speak he just has to accept it once I enable that. Here we're another new sign. Hi there, can you hear us. Hi, yes, I can hear you. Are you speaking with. Yeah, this is David Dolly. Hi, David. Hi, we can hear you we can't see you I don't know if you intended to have your camera on would. There you go. Greetings welcome. Would you like me to screen share for you are you able to do that. If you could do that that would be great. That would be helpful. Thank you. All right, so I have your application and the image that you sent. Yes. Great. Want to give us an introduction to what you're thinking. Yeah, we're you know the plan has been to open a dessert cafe here so this is the the sign that we came up with. Is there a way for me to share an image. Can I just stop share. Okay. Where would I attach an image. If you open it on your computer. And then, once you choose screen share, it should allow you to pick from any open documents. Okay, okay, let me try that. Okay. Oh, here we go. Your screen. desktop. Oh boy. Okay, here we go. I think I got it. This. Boy. Oh. Oh, that's I think maybe got it. Maybe. I'm sorry to keep you waiting. Okay. Okay, I got it. Yeah, I think I figured this out. For some of us zoom is second nature and some of us have quickly forgotten how to do all the things. I attached an image. I don't know if you can see it though. No. Have you floated over the, are you on a PC? I'm on a Mac. I don't know who else is on a Mac. I don't know where the screen share option is. Generally got right down on the bottom. Yeah. Basically. I'm trying to share with you an updated image. But basically it. You could email it to Rob Wachilla and then he could share it. Okay. Let me do that. Okay. Let's I'll do that right now. So I'm going to email. And I'm going to email to Rob, right? Yep. Okay, perfect. This should be very fast. And here we go. Attaching and sending. Okay, perfect sense. So it's basically the same exact artwork. It's just that the top of the sign has now become like a, just a basic rectangle instead of the letters being sort of protruding at the top, because we found out that that actually costs quite a lot more. But yeah, it looks almost identical. But yeah, can you share that Rob? Yep. Here you go. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So that's it. That's the, the most recent version of what we're planning. And yeah, I mean, we went through many, we tried many different colors and this is a project I've been working on with my son. So we tried many different colors and he's, he's a little picky. And so this is what, what, you know, we settled on that he really liked and we all kind of liked. We thought it was really eye catching. And this would be a box sign that would have lights behind the like plexiglass front. So it would light up from the back. So the, like all the white letters would light up white. Of course the black would just stay black. And then the blue mango logo would light up in that blue color. Right. And what are your plans for the awning? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Are there other signs along the top? I forget. We've been by that about a hundred thousand times, but. No, there's not. There's the only sign on the, the. Correct. There with the shops. Yeah. Correct. It's coronation cafe next door now. I don't know. I don't know. I think the business to the left is the coronation cafe. And you can see what they've done there on the left. They have a. Like an awning sign, but it's a bit narrow, maybe about. 15 inches. And that's, that's how their sign works. But theirs doesn't light up. They're a daytime business. And our hours would be. More of an evening business. So that's what they're doing. So that's what they're doing. So those hours were opening at a one o'clock in the afternoon. Until around 10 o'clock at night and 11 o'clock on the weekends. For us, it's really important that our sign. Lights up. And it's noticeable at night. Whereas for the coronation cafe. That's not an issue for them at all. They close that. Three o'clock in the afternoon every day. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was some discussion as to what they were going to be. There was already. Some lettering. On the. Upper area there. And they were going to. Remove it and put new menu items on it. That's why I'm asking. So. They haven't done anything on that upper area. All right. Okay. But of course the Harry's sign, we have to remove that. Yeah. We have to. That's from the previous business. Yeah. And it also sort of really. The Harry's sort of really, I think blocks the. The front of the space the way it is too. But we have to remove that. And then, and David, there's nothing. This part of your proposal tonight that is a window signage or signage on the door with ours. Or your logo. Is that something that you anticipate? And you'll come back to us for. I didn't realize that you needed that at the design review board. But if you do, yeah, then I guess we could come back to. Another meeting. We thought it was just. Only about the main sign. Okay. All right. I see. Tom and Lindsay. So I'll go to Lindsay first this time. Comments. My question. Maybe you said those. I apologize if I missed it. Is the. Is the sign. Sitting flush with the. Face of that facial panel. Correct. But it's a, it has lights in it. So I believe. It's an aluminum box. The depth of it would be about, it's mounted on the fascia. But it has a depth of probably about. Like seven inches. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think. You know, it's, it would be. Not seeing the whole building, it feels like it would, it would be ideal to have it be in line with the signage. The adjacent signage. And the black area just extend the full width of that storefront. Between the kind of left column and the, the right. So it's not really a column, but railing. So I think in a. Just from where I'm where, you know, what we can see here, that would be my recommendation is to have it. Have the sign be in line with the, with the adjacent signage. But our sign is actually taller than theirs. So it would be very close to like hitting your head on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess, you know, it's a little hard to tell. What the depth is on that roof overhang. I'm guessing it's, I don't know. It's like four feet. Or three. Yeah. Three to four feet. I pulled up the Google street view, but unfortunately it's still Barts. Yeah. It's still Barts. It's still Barts. And it's still Barts. Google hasn't caught up with us yet. So it doesn't, it's not that helpful. But you can see the roof does. I'm going to relinquish my turn and let Tom speak. So I don't really have anything more articulate to say. All right. Tom, go ahead. Thanks. So I was going to say two things. And one was related to the window sign that I think Erica brought up, which is. You know, it's a little difficult to see as a pedestrian walking down the street. On that side of the road, because it would be perpendicular to your view. And you'd almost never see it as a pedestrian. So all the people leaving all the new restaurants on that side of street, walking back towards the bus stop or to the UMass campus. Probably wouldn't see your sign if they were new to the area, especially if they weren't crossing the street. So just a sense of putting something on the glass is going to be a little difficult to see. So I'm going to be putting up some kind of blade sign or something that's perpendicular that will let people know what's happening. If I can share my screen quick. I know you just mentioned you were on the. What's it called. The Google maps, but let me see if I can share this. I think you might want to consider. Taking a look at where your sign is placed when there's actually a tree there. Because I don't think that it's going to be very visible, even from other angles. Much of it hiding behind the tree when it's in full bloom. So any recommendations to drop that below. That fascia or below the overhang might be helpful. Again, the tree will grow. So. You might get a little more clearance under there. But it's pretty much blocking from the other side of the street as well. So your prime real estate really is down here. On the glass. So just a recommendation. I have no problem with your sign at all. I just, I'm going to recommend that. I think it's not going to be very visible and get you the kind of. Visibility that you are hoping to see as a new business. So I think doing something down lower or perpendicular is going to be really helpful for you as a business owner. Yeah, thank you. That's a very good observation. I guess maybe because it's winter, I didn't notice all the leaves on the tree there. Right. Yeah, I mean, I think I, I tend to agree with. Tom, I like the sign. I think you've done a nice job with the, you know, your particularities about the blue. I think it's lovely and the lighting is going to be great. I think it's going to be great. I feel as though when we're looking at the two businesses that, you know, it's, it's in a single building, two storefronts, and then there's this, you know, one of them has a low sign and the other has a high sign. It might feel a little bit disconnected. But while I like the design and. I think it's great that it lights up. I'm a little bit concerned that. It's going to be all for not. There are some very good. Comments there. We'll have to. I'll have to, I guess, maybe give it some more thought. Did you have any thoughts to share? Well, yeah, I would like to see it. Yeah, I, I. I'm glad Tom brought up the point of the tree. I think it would look better just for that little, for that small building. If the signs were. At the same height. Be smoother looking. I think more attractive. Than having one up and one down. I do think it's great that it's lighted. Now, whether that's going to happen. If the. Sign is lowered. I'm not sure if all of that can. Can be worked out, but I like to sign. I agree. It's a good logo. Good look. But. Maybe there could be a. Consider. A narrow awning. To replace. Take down the hair east awning. Match the height of the coronation cafe awning. With your kind of standard logo and then consider a lighted sign in the window, perhaps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think those are really good comments. I think we probably need to. Give it some more discussion. So would that mean, you know, we do have time. So perhaps. We could. You know, give it more thought and more discussion and play around with it a little bit. With some new ideas and then maybe come back again for the next month's meeting. Yeah, we do. We meet monthly at this time slot. So. Yeah. So perhaps we could do that then. Okay. What are your. Well, the original target date was. Like August 1st. So, but we'll, we'll see. See what happens. In actually. Yeah. There's so many steps in the process. So just a heads up to the board. Usually we schedule these like the last Monday of every month as you're aware. So the 29th is a holiday. So the next meeting for next month will be on May 22nd. At 5pm. Just for reference for everybody. Okay. I'll write it down. Okay. So yeah, I think we'd like to take all of your comments and into consideration and then. Try to see if we can come up with some new ideas, maybe. All right. Well, thank you for being. Willing to. Hear those recommendations. It sounds like as. Kind of everybody's on board with the idea of. Making a motion to. Table this with some recommendations for a redesign and come back. Yes. All right. Catherine, you want to be the. Yes, I move that we table this. Petition and. Until. The next meeting to give them time to. Make some adjustments. All right. Well, thank you very much for, for sharing your. Project with us. And. You on May 2nd. Yeah, good luck. All right. Thanks so much. Talk to you later. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thanks. All those in favor. Please say. Hi. Thank you. That's everyone. Well, thank you very much for sharing your. Project with us. And. You on May 2nd. Yeah, good luck. All right. Thanks so much. Okay. Bye-bye. Thank you. Let's see. Everyone. Okay. So approval of meeting minutes is what's next on the agenda. Did everyone have a chance to take a look at them? I wasn't present for that meeting. So I don't know if you have a form without me to approve it. We do. Yeah. We need three. That's correct. You do need three. So as long as three of you are here and vote. Right. Yeah. Okay. So. Tom or Catherine, you have any. Comments. About the content. I don't. I didn't either. I thought they were fine. Yeah. Okay. So. Do we accept the. Minutes. Of the. What March. What. Of those. March 27th. March 27th. All those in favor. I. And one extension. Great. Thank you. Is anybody here from the public tonight? They came and went. Okay. Okay. Any other business. Well, I have a, just don't, I don't know. Point of clarification. This is the second time we've had somebody come to us. For approval of a sign that's already been made. And. I don't know how we can derail that, but I mean. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The other one was something to do with chicken. Or rooster or something. And it's already done. And. This. There's something not right about that. I mean, it's not like we're that important that we can sit and listen to it one more time. But it doesn't make us look that good. If we're looking at somebody's sign that's already up. I don't know. How. How does that work? How does that work? How does that work? How does that work? So a lot of it comes from. Usually code enforcement. And we usually don't hear about these types of things until. Either a, somebody complains about it. Or B. We just notice it from the street. So it's possible they had the decals changed without the town knowing. And so usually the best way to find out about these things is through the two options. I just told you. So that's most likely why. I don't know. I don't know. I don't see that happening. It doesn't happen as often because people usually come to the town first and ask, Hey, what do I do with this? And usually they do that beforehand, which is why you've only seen this happen twice. Well, maybe more, but in recent times. Yeah. In the last couple of months. Yeah, I don't know how the town can. In the price. Michael. I'm getting very angry. A few times because it did used to happen more, I think. And it hasn't happened as much recently. Yeah, or, or when they do like our last presenter. You know, oh, I didn't realize it was also about what's on the window. So I think. You know, we've seen the majority of people kind of understanding the process. Somebody slips through from time to time, but. I can't, we're coming back to the notion that we are an advisory board. And if we want to make recommendations, you know, to improve the. Street face of the town of Amherst that we can certainly do that. It's. Not as a non make not suggesting changes as a means of punishment for saying you, you went on the border here, but. You know, if we have recommendations to give that we should give them. Yeah. It's not a big deal, but it's. It could be a big deal. Chris, I see your hand and I'm curious if you wanted to jump in on this or if it's a different topic. It's a different topic. Okay. Any other thoughts on this. I don't know whether the paperwork that people have to. Who are coming to establish a new business. If. If the paperwork they're presented with tells them right up the first line, don't do anything until you've gone through the various boards. Maybe it already says that they won't count. We don't count. It's all right. I just had to get that. Off of my chest to play. Yeah. This is second. We count. Yeah. I think we count to some of that. Okay. I just wanted to say how happy we are to have Rob. As part of our team now. And I wasn't sure if you'd all had a chance to meet him, but he's a planner who went to UMass and got his degree there in regional planning and he's worked for the town of where. For a number of years and now he's working with us and he's going to be staffing the zoning board of appeals and the design review board and probably a number of other things, but we didn't want to overload him all at once. So I just wanted to say, I'm happy to have him and I just wanted to make sure that you all had had an opportunity to meet him. Yes. Yeah. Very good. I have not. So nice to meet you, Rob. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you guys. I appreciate the warm welcome, Chris. That was a, that was thoughtful. And I look forward to working with you guys moving forward. Okay. Wonderful. All right. Any other thoughts or shall we move to adjourn? I was like, I'm not. It's been a pleasure as always. And so. I'm hearing Rob correctly. That our next meeting would be moved to. May. Second. 20 seconds. 20 seconds. May. Oh, okay. Sorry. Wonderful. See you all. All right. Bye bye. Thank you. Bye bye everybody. See you. Thank you. Erica. Wonderful. See you all. All right. Bye bye. Thank you. Bye everybody. Thank you. Erica.