 The first item of business is to approve the agenda. Do we have any other additions or changes to the agenda? Only to note that the July 23rd meeting minutes weren't even archived. That would probably take me to that one. Yeah, they had it before today. I want to make one change. After the Green Lantern lease agreement, if you'll approve, I want to put a quick executive session in there so we can discuss some of the questions and see if we can decide that before we do our vote. Okay, so you want to discuss them and take a look at what the executive session is. Yeah, and come back out. And is that going to take place, the plagues of the executive session for people down the road? Yeah, I think that would be good. I think that would be good. All in favor? Opposed? Okay. So next is public comment or inquiry? Anything that's not on the agenda that folks have a concern about? I'm here again to find out what the status is. I'm giving some speed limit signs up on the Louisville group. When I was here in June, what I think I heard was that there might have been a delay in order to get some signs in the new budget, but that kind of places had been identified where those signs should be. And there's one sign that's up. Right off of Canberra Road is you go into Campbell Road, which I noticed just a few days ago, but it's 35 miles an hour, and that traffic ordinance designates that whole length of road at 25 miles an hour. So I'm a little confused. I just want to kind of understand where we are, when we might expect signs to get up, and why do we have a 35 mile an hour sign up in a good place, but the wrong sign, the wrong speed. So that goes back to the traffic study or the sign study inventory that we're working on. The road that you put on as an IRF priority because we knew it was already in order to have a speed, it was a posted speed limit, Alan and I are delivering signs this week. So I'm getting together at an inventory of how many we need. Originally, we were just going to look to see what we had in our inventory and see if we had anything that was useful. I think that was our discussion last time to see if there was anything that was actually salvageable without there's nothing that meets the complexity and equality that's required. The intent is to do an initial sign order this week, which would include whatever the speed limit is posted by orders. So we'll definitely make sure that another piece of this inventory is verified and let's not put it in correct because it sounds as though that may not be the case. So we'll definitely base this on the orders because that's what makes our inventory happen also. Because it doesn't really do us any good to say we need signs all over the world because the order doesn't allow for anything but what we'll do is we'll, in this first order of signs we'll be getting speed limit signs for that roadway whatever that scene actually is. I don't remember how long ago. I think it's 25 miles. It's $25,000 for 4.94 miles. It's $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. $25,000. It's obvious, but we're trying. So, you'll be the first one who first will be your site. I guess you can come over to another place. Okay. So, I might stop in sometime just to take a look. You can come on, take a look at the town. Yeah, it's a really nice town. It's got a lot of local places. Okay, great. So, we'll just have to begin that. The bottom of the building where it comes off from. If you turn off, you know, on the river road, you turn it off. So, I'm going to turn off the switch. Okay. If you turn off, you know, on the river road, you turn it off. You go through Stockbridge and take a right hand turn. And I call it a mine bridge. I don't know the number of that bridge. But from that point, straight, for nearly five miles, straight up through Willingville, through Lucas Four Corners, to where it's camp road. At the end of camp road. That's all traffic ordinance. 25 miles now are established in 1989. And that's the area where we're concentrating on the stuff that actually happens with all the others. It's impossible to determine what they do then. So, please be patient. We're getting there. I didn't even take this off. That's me. But we do have a fun. And, you know, I do want to say, I do think that the speeds have gone down a little bit up through my neighborhood. I think I've told you back in June we kind of had a neighborhood gathering. And we kind of talked about speeds and stuff like that. But, you know, I'm still seeing, I'm home all the time. So, I have the joy of having cars go by. And, you know, trucks and others are just totally blow it off. And, you know, I have the occasional ATV riders that go by through. Now, again, I know they're not even supposed to be on the roadways, up past my house. But I would like to at least be able to say to them, listen, I don't have a problem with an ATV, but just please 25 miles and go slow. You know? And I right now have nothing. I have no way to kind of, you know, I have no credibility. And you want to show the board. Yeah. Well, we'll get it done. Thank you. We'll get it done. So, we'll get a signboard. I think it usually takes about 10 days or something, you know, with the posts and everything. Thank you very much. Thank you. This should be a lot of time. Okay. Thank you. That was actually on the list. So, okay. Any other public comment? Well, I came in late. I just want to make sure nobody else has something. No. No, these were all scheduled. Oh, it looks like speed is on our minds. This is my first time coming in to talk. I'm sorry. Danny Dover. I'm up on Campus Road. Okay. So, it's my first time coming in to talk about, you know, public safety on Campus Road. I've been living there for 40 years, and I'd say it's probably about the worst. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it, and I'm just really concerned. And it just seems like it's gotta be the third highest buying of traffic in the town, in terms of towns out under Route 12 and 107. It's a connector road. It's on the state list of bicycle routes, you know, bicycles going up there. You've got motorcycles and then the demographic has changed. families, with kids, with pets, people walking their dogs. Tractors are still on there. It's just waiting for disaster. I mean, there's already been several serious accidents, fortunately none in the last two or three years. But it just feels like it's a matter of time. I feel like I'm taking my life in my hands every time I back out onto that road. So I'm coming asking for help, short-term help, and then also long-term help, short-term help. I realize that you can't cut a constable into a million pieces and put them on all these different roads. But being one of the busiest highways, it seems like it should be a priority. And if we could just do it a couple of times, one hour in the evening, one hour in the morning, during one week, that would have such a damping effect on a short-term basis. I realize it doesn't last forever. But it's not just out of staters. There are a lot of commuters, a lot of long-distance commuters that use that road. And sometimes, even like a 5, 3, 6 o'clock in the morning, someone goes by their just unbelievable speed. But that's what I would suggest if it was possible. Just be like that presence, just once or twice could have a huge effect, in my opinion. Where else do you live on? I'm three miles up. I'm right across from Dunham Hill Road, Dunham Road, where the broken down barn is. And actually, if they parked right practically across the street from our house, because that's the one flat, straight section of road where people are coming down on the hill, or they pass, they'll try passing right there. But that would be a great place to get people to slow down. Oh, yeah, well, that brings me to my next point. And I'll come back just like you have. I'd like to start the ball rolling, whatever traffic study is needed, or whatever. I personally feel that that road, the bottom two thirds of that road could stand to have the speed limit reduced from 40 to 35. I think that would be reasonable to ask that. People aren't going to go 35, but if it's posted at 35, maybe you get people to go 45. And you know, you could live with that, but people are not going 45, 55, 60. So, that's fine. It's a complicated process, but it doesn't have to happen. I know it is. Greg can explain it, but if you're not sure what it is, but you don't have to do the speed studies to be able to support the changes in the speed study nation, that speed is acceptable in that section of the road. So it's kind of a double-edged sword, that potentially could go the other way. Well, I'm willing to take that chance. I have a feeling, well, I don't know how they base it, what they base it all on, but. When was, hasn't there already been, there've been traffic studies on that road many times before? Has there been one recent and not sure when the last one was, but you're right, they did do a status of speed limits to begin with. They had to have done a speed study. I don't, I don't know when the last one was done. I've done a lot of research in the last week or so about speed studies and setting speed limits in town. You can actually, this state will actually let them miss a power to do the speed study themselves. To a point, when you really start talking about really high speed limits or low speed limits, then you have to get professional and they're about that. So, but otherwise, it's something that just takes time and some effort to do an actual speed study. When they're looking at multiple elements is what, so it's a whole matrix of different things that you're supposed to look at. You just judge it's one way stuff, kind of what you're seeing over a normal amount of time or one of your trips or something like that. At the end of it, it kind of spits out what the speed limit is supposed to be or could be at that point. And one piece that I think Paul was alluding to was that one piece of that and a large piece of that is what the travel and public feel. The public sort of create the same speed because they feel that they're safe to do that. And that's the speed they're running. So that's what I mean Paul was talking about is that if the numbers go back and it finds that the average driver is going 60 and they're able to navigate that safely and they're beginning to that speed limit could actually put luck. Well, do they take into consideration what the usage is? You need to get it stated. Like bicycles, so in fact that there's no shoulder. Yes. The road is a residential road. So that's all they need to account. It is. So that's something that actually needed. We can't be announced to a point with our little roads. That would be a little more, I want to get the state involved a little more with that. Yeah, I realize, yeah. The traffic, the volume is so high. All right. But we are, I am working with two researchers at the local planning commission and they've got these speed counters. I don't know if you saw the speed counters out here, but I'm working with them to try to get a whole career for the roads to place on different roads so that we can start collecting some data. So that we have some hard data. Yeah, man, I don't think there's probably anybody in Camper Road who would disagree with what I've just been saying. Sure, sure. But we have an issue that we have, you know, the data data. Of course, yeah. You know, it can be based on, because what the state is like it says is we set it to low. People aren't going to do that. Right. And so they're going to drive over to one again. So you want to set this speed limit to somewhere where it's reasonable for everybody. Yeah. Because being too low is actually going to save the issue too. Sure. Because people are, they're feeling when they're coming down and somebody's going super, super slow and they're going to be in another region. Well, that's why I talked about, you know, it's the bottom of the road. I mean, the top of the road can stay. Sure. You can do it in seconds. Yeah. You can do it in seconds. Right. So what about the idea of, is there a possibility of getting a constable presence on the road? Yeah. We also try one of those. We have two to move around the battery upgrade. You can move one out there if you think that will help. Yeah. I don't know what he's got appropriate. Is the one here collect data? They all collect data. Yeah. So it's actually a preliminary piece of our own income. So you can even have a couple of pages from auction. Right. Yeah. Well, you said there was a problem because the batteries run out. They run out pretty quickly. So depending on how it's used, you know, like that here, they run out pretty quickly because of the luck drive. So it's a lot of time. Right. But they are, we can move them around. So if we want a place out there to see what it would do, such as this view of it, and see what it would do, and then collect some data from it, we could do that. Well, keep that location in mind. I think that would be a real good place to start. Yeah, and I love this is just boots on the ground kind of thing. But this study is to go out there and observe what's going on. And John, I don't know what you're seeing. But, you know, you need a radar timer to figure out where it works, but that's not going to be so bad. It's not a type of problem for that. What if we didn't? I have one in my building currently. So I think should they look if we ask them to allow us to do it? Yeah, that's just part of the long sheet when you're doing all the different elements and you're trying to figure out what the C is. You want to know what you were doing. And then there's a main idea. You want to look at the average and look at some other numbers just to kind of see what that range actually looks because, again, a large piece of this is what is the normal traffic problem? What do they do to drive that average and that average? And that's usually, usually, close to what the C does, but according to the state. This is all the state intervention. And it is. Well, I was just going to say, depending on where you're, you know, on the flights, on the straightaways, you know, people would feel safe going 40, say, well, it should be 40, but then you have all the turns, whether it's on Camper Road or Lilliput Road, and they're, you know. Which I think is what you said. I mean, to me, at a secondhand, that would also be visible and just see how it really worked out. You can see trends. You might have a secondhand that's got a lot of lines and then you've got straightaways. So maybe it works itself out and there are some sort of patterns to be learned. So it's just an interest on Camper Road. It is in the traffic horns. It's 40 miles an hour from the bottom of Camper Road until you get to Campbell Road. And then from Campbell to the Rochester line, it's 30 miles an hour. What? From, do you know where Camper Road hits Camper? Wait, but very top. From that point until you get to the Rochester line, it's 30 miles an hour. That's what it's, you know, water? Because that was before the road was done. So what's it supposed to have there? I didn't know that. Oh. Yeah. And again, as she said, as Mo said, that's before the road was constructed over the mountain. And it had, you know, 30 would have been too fast to go through that. That's why we're doing this live. So part of it does show that the ordinance, as you're all saying, is out of date and it's not kept up. But there are other pressures that have happened in all of these years, which is more traffic. People try and get to and from more traveling distances and they're in a big hurry. You know, so there's a lot of moving pieces that have to be kind of... And again, the methodology that they gave me was spreadsheet, you know what I mean? It's very involved. There's a lot to it. So it's not just one or two of the things. It actually pays to the engineering document. So it takes a lot of different points of data and puts it all together and spits out a number that they need to be relevant. But to your point, I think what we need to do, and this is why we're doing our assignment, Tori, is to verify that what is in the ordinance is actually on the ground. So if that doesn't change there, then you have to have a sign on it that shows that change. Actually, I've never seen a 30-mile-hour sign on here, right? It probably got knocked out when they got struck to be there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds to me that we need to be really analyzed for a lot of time. And doing an ordinance change is not that difficult. We would have to do it anyway for some. I have some other things for the highway or something to be changed. But we just have to have the data to support it. So... I mean, there are a couple of sections that can't work out the top of the point. Correct. That first curve that's to come out of it. If you drop down, if you go over the top and drop down that whole first section and it's down to the top. Only if I don't come back. Yeah. Yeah, various curves. Yeah, of course it's... Yeah, and I'm not sure if you might actually do a little research to find out when the last effort study was done, how it was done, what came from that. The ordinance should be flagged by the study. So that might have been a long, long time ago. But that doesn't matter. Yeah. So let me, if you've got that, if you're going to have that thing for a while. I'll ask them if there are a couple of little things. I mean, the intention was to do some speed studies through the downtime of our section during different events and just during normal. And so I want to ask them to get their permission because they sort of looked into VRI as a, if you wanted to help you guys figure out what's going on. But yeah, they're open to it. I don't know if Danny could be willing to do some sporadic readings or... Sure. It's usually pretty controlled. Everything is pretty controlled. One at a certain time. They want it in a certain type of asset. It's documented. Yes. You want to have it, no, I don't really want to do sporadic readings. That's not a sporadic one. I'll say that again. So then on behalf of AR, he says, yeah, absolutely, he's actually again. What's the protocol? What's the next? Does it have to go through the town so that if you can show that you've done the proper... I would say that just gathering a lot of data, like the speed part of it, as long as whoever is doing it is following the protocol procedure, they can gather the data. It's just the reports and the traffic study, as you will, will be through the town. It has to come through the town. But gathering the data can be, as long as we've got the parameters are set, it doesn't follow the... So what I'm hearing you say is you would welcome volunteers through the town. Yeah. But no, really, I'm serious. I mean, you know, you said we'll block readings between 8 and 10 a.m. on Thursday, I'll send all my portions. You don't have to worry about this if it gets broken or whatever it is. Well, that's another thing. If you're saying that point already, I'm going to send anybody that's really stressed. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you have to put all of that to the animal. Well, and we would be, you know, I would be the top marker for the size of the traffic. You're saying the traffic count... There's no requirement in the medium. That's easier than setting up the strips on the lathe. You know, on the strips we've got another... I mean, that seems easier now. The strips are nice because you just lay it out. Exactly. That's the most complete... So, to your level, all of the signs that have the following is people see signs. They saw them. Yeah. So it kind of beats... Yeah. ...the strip people right at home. Yeah. So maybe that's what we're looking at. And maybe the whole reason why it is to look at it is to tell me to add three or four sets of strips so maybe we could do that in two or four locations on that route. I would be very... Just sort of see what sort of data... I'd love to see that. Yeah. Yeah. And do you think the gospel might be available? I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. And I know you're more present. Yeah. Great. Thank you. Okay. Jose, congratulations. Thank you. Well, thank you for all your... So Jose, you're up. Thank you. It's a loss of... It's a loss of school. We don't know you, but I'm the member of the energy committee. And I am here today to try to stick some guidance as far as how to proceed. We have an opportunity to put an electric vehicle charging station for free. And we're not going to pay for it. As long as we put a panel with 140 amps, it's going to cost $1,200. Hopefully you'll agree with that. I mean, David? Approximately. Right? From the wire and the whole thing is going to cost about $2,800. We have some grant and some money we raised, so we would be short about $1,000. Probably we can meet it with more fundraising. Nevertheless, the charging station is a dumb charging station. Dumb because it doesn't charge money. Okay? Whoever comes into Bethel can come in there and plug his car out. Okay? And the cost is obviously the town. The town is paying for that. And it could be significant depending on how much the station is used. A little bit of a rough calculation. It's 140 amps basically. The station has two sections. One is for the Tesla. That's 100 amps. Those guys like to charge fast. And the other one is for the run of the mill level 2 smaller cars, which is a 40 amp. So it's 140 amps. Two stations separate. Worst case scenario, those two stations are used eight hours a day. It's like 10 hours a day. Full. Okay? So that's going to be about $15,000. So a year of electricity. Okay? $15,000. That would be the cost. Now, are they going to be used for 15 hours? I don't know. Maybe not right now, but eventually they might. Depending on what the electric car goes. I mean, the electric car is growing. It's going to be about a million cells in another three or four years. Right now it's about 750,000 cars. So anyway, that's the scenario. The advantage would be we bring people to Bethel. They will leave their car charging and they will be spending money in town. We are working on solar solutions for the town, the town hall, the fire department, et cetera. We'll be talking a little bit more about that. It's very promising, very nice. Nevertheless, we don't have that yet. Okay? So that is the first scenario. So I don't know how you feel about that. I don't know how you feel about electric cars in general. How you feel about bringing these people here. The average electric car owner has a master's degree. They're educated. They have an average of two times the income of the national average. They're usually well off people. They're intelligent. They're very green-minded people. Bringing people into Bethel is worth $15,000 a year. So I can see that the direction might be probably enough, right? For that scenario more. I don't know how the other members feel. But basically, if you don't mind, I'd like to expose the other two scenarios. And if you tell me how you feel about the other one, two, or three, then I'll have a better idea how to proceed. We'll have a better idea how to proceed. Okay? Any questions from the first scenario? Any other questions? Sorry about that. We're very, very much in charge to help you to travel again. We could put an honor system. You know, usually these people are very honest. They would probably give, put the money in a box, and we would probably recover more and more than what we're spending. I would be my guess. However, there is a risk because we are basically appealing to the good will of the American people, which I believe is pretty good in my opinion. That's why I came here, right? But anyway, that would be one option. Any other questions? So if you have an owner's location? Yeah, that would be that corner right there, about 40 feet from the main, so that would be the cheapest way. We would have assigned electric vehicles preferred at a limit. So whoever... The left corner. There you go. Parking lot. Yeah, okay. So that would be the location. Is there... So I'm assuming in today's world of technology, not being an electric car owner, I'm assuming there's some sort of internet after something that tells them that location on that so that somebody driving around says, oh, here's a location I could go. Yeah, and it is donated by Tesla, so that would be in the Tesla website. So any Tesla owner, any electric vehicle owner would know that there's a station here and would be inclined to visit us. Take advantage of all the amenities that Bethel can offer. Any other questions? Yeah. The snuff charging system that you alluded to the fact that you were working on energy for the park parking on the down wall? Oh, yeah, that's in the words, Dave, we're not ready to present yet, but there are vendors that are working on giving those solutions because photovoltaics, roof mounted, and that's another animal. I'd like to hear what those are before we get to it. You'll hear that soon? So do these have the available building for somebody to use a credit card on? Not the dump stations, no. Offer one. Anybody can come, plug in a car in, whether it's a Tesla or a Nissan lift and walk out of here for free? No questions asked. Do they make it upgrade and has that available to the park? No, they're charging stations. That's the second option, I was going to go over that. They do that. They have an app with your cell phone you can pay, et cetera. So that would be the second option. The second option is $6,800. That's one charging station that is similar, one, but we would pay for it and the money will be charged by the consumer will pay like a regular charging station like you see everywhere. And that the money will be obviously collected by Green Mountain Power and I would have to investigate what the town will have. If there's any particular percentage that we will take because we are donating the parking space. Again, it's about $6,800 with a $1,500 credit that Green Mountain Power gives us will give a cost of $5,300. But if it is used a lot, we will be recovering that money with a certain payback, which again, I haven't calculated. If you guys like that option, I can definitely run the numbers and bring it to you. But that would be a very simple kind of relatively cheap. However, I don't believe that we have a $6,000 budget this year to do that. We would have to approve it. That's the third option. Any questions on the second option? The third option is Volkswagen. You remember Volkswagen at the back, they were cheating on the emissions test. Part of the settlement is to install charging stations everywhere. And we're going to be eligible. So the grant is coming in Thanksgiving, Christmastime. So we want to apply, but we don't want to do that unless you guys say, you know what, we do like the idea of a charging station, apply for the grant. We would have to invest money on the panel and bring in the electricity to the station. But the station will be free provided by Volkswagen grant. And we could get more than one problem. Now would that be a freebie for the charger or a pay? It will be paid. The charger? Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, it will be a payboy. It will be a smart station that you will be, you know, if you don't have a way to pay, you won't be able to take juice from it. Okay. You know? The only one that is, like that is the first case scenario, the dumb one. It's, you know, it's just pure. The three, it could be depending on how much we approve. We can, I don't know exactly the details of the grant, but we can definitely be looking at more than one. And each station is actually double-sided. Yeah. One is relative. Yeah. So with that, just want to ask what the board feels, how it all thinks, what, which, you know, which option do you like best? I think that option one is a little impractical. For a town to take on a debt like that, I think that just, for all the things we have going on at this point, it begins just a little too much. It's almost like paying a tax rate. This is the second and third option, I think, for possibilities, but we need to have a lot more information. A lot more documentation and numbers and some harder figures. Some diagrams. Yeah. A lot more information. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. There must be some information out here about people who had these stations and how much they were being used now. Yeah. They're not used very much, but they're wrapping up. They're trying to get the horse before the cart, before they're building all this electric vehicle. I don't want to have the infrastructure, but... You don't want one of that. Yeah. The one in Edelstein? Yeah. Dan? Mm-hmm. Okay, question now. Okay. You got to show people. Mm-hmm. That's the number one item of that. Yeah. It is sort of like the future and, you know... I understood. The worst-case scenario is two parts parked there for 10 hours and a 15,000... That's not going to happen now, but it might happen in the next five, six years, you know. Mm-hmm. And... Well, I think the only concern is we're already paying for parking. You know, because I was always concerned about that. Yeah. So if we look at that concern, it should also be brought tied up to the spot. Yeah. It would be free of charge because we have grants and money to install. And if what most suggests, just having an owner-system box, we would recover the money, so the... But it would be a risk, so, you know. I would think folks who have electric cars would be willing to slide a credit card in to get the charge. Yeah. I don't think they'd rather be blinded. I'm definitely all for it. I think what I'm hearing here is similar to the time we shouldn't be seeing a possible electric for it. I don't think it would be a 15,000 right off the bat. You know, that's sort of, like you said, it's the worst-case scenario. But, you know, I also think Dave's going to... There's only one person in Bethel, but we're actually... I see this as something not for Bethel residents. It's actually a way to bring people into Bethel and there are a lot of electric cars coming out of Canada and receiving tickets all the time. And I've noticed a number, you know, a notable increase in electric cars that happen to be in place. And if they're already on the move and traveling, they may be more likely to spend. If they're willing to spend some of that money here because there's spending some time here, that does ultimately, you know, it benefits the town overall, should it be done at the cost of plus paying electric or it probably not. But it sounds like you have definitely two options that we can pursue that wouldn't cost the town. It's a little more like work on the front end and more expense from, you know, either from the grants or from the town. Could the pad be set up on the orchard parking lot? That would be more of a... It depends on the power. The power is the only key. That's three things, right there. I mean, that might be... I don't know what you're saying. It doesn't matter what word you put it in there because if you do it here, you're going to have to have a whole new surface. If you do it there, you're going to have a whole new surface. You're going to be out of town. You're going to have to know the whole thing. What is Green Mountain Beach somewhere in that area? Would there be, do they pull enough power that there might be a quiet spot somewhere in there? Green Mountain Beach yourself. They find a beach and definitely somewhere through there, so there's plenty of power. I don't know what's town, what's in there. I don't know. I'm just wondering if there's a spot in there. Because that's, you know, when we're talking about parking issues, we're talking a little more of this half of the downtown. And on that half, and even if it were, I don't know if there's a way to get it just off the road enough that closer to the road or... The parallel word in there for both of you is it's a bubble sign thing. Right. So you'd be on both sides. So it almost has to be out in the center of sort of an application. There's one parking lot down there that I hardly see a vehicle on. I've gone down one. But the line there, it's the last time you saw a car in the parking lot. It's true. Well, those are things that these are all questions. Yeah. I think what those are looking for is are you interested in possibly doing more? You are. Option one. I'm not interested in one. I'm not interested in one. I'm not interested in one. I'm interested in everyone. I understand. Yes. So we'll, we'll pursue option two and three then. And, you know, we have more, more information, more detailed information, diagrams, et cetera. And you, how about the location? Are you guys okay with that location or not? Well, let's leave the location up in the air at this point. Okay. You don't even have to put the service in one way. Right. Right. We would have to prop it down. No. No. Because as Dave mentioned, the, the power to GW goes here. There's plenty of power. Unless we choose to have it at somewhere in the middle of nowhere, then they may be, we're talking about Beppel, right? Downtown area. I don't have to be curious in the interview, as you can say on this, while you're pursuing solar, is that an option for setting up a solar panel? Yeah. You might not be enough to feed the station itself, but would that be some sort of offset? What I hear from the studies we're doing that, and I don't know how you guys feel about this and maybe it's a little area to discuss, but if we were to put solar panels in the roof here, in this building, it would more than cover the power for this building, with just about $200 a month or something like that. And the sewer pump, it would cover most of that power. So it would definitely cover our charging station, without a doubt, because just, just that resolution. Yeah, that resolution. Let me try to wrap up a little bit. If you want, I just wanted to look at it. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of schools talking about it. They have a four station to be able to track the unit in front of the solar. I'm sorry. Yeah, four vehicle, solar charging station. Four charging station. Where? Mount Law School. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I understand that. Yeah. All right, thank you. No problem. Thank you very much. Well, Dave, can you touch with us, as far as what you're going to do to many of us in minutes? Yeah. We want some offer, whatever, we want to have a couple of meetings. Yeah, we are. So we can keep tabs on what we're going to do. Okay. We'll do so. We'll do. Thank you. Have a good one. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Can we without it? It's too old. So, Kevin. Yeah. Actually, for being so patient, we're going to put off schedule here. All right. You are up. A year ago, I think, I came in front of the board and discussed some tax stabilization ideas and about the laws of law. And my research back then, I talked to an administrator from Hyde Park that they had done that a couple of different times. And the way I understand it is it's a town-wide vote. The way they did it in Hyde Park was the way they wrote it on the town meeting ballot was you could either do it per billing or they just voted to allow the slack board to negotiate it to give them the power to deal with it. Which seems a little less cumbersome to me. But what I'm worried about with the laws of law is and there's no great big hurry on this because the tax bill was set, the value was set for the next four quarters, as it is. But we're putting so much money into it and we're getting more rents out of it as each piece comes online. And what would not be economically viable if it went from zero to 60 in a matter of one or two years. So if the Lister came in and looked at it and said it went from I don't know if they have it on the Grand West Floor now it's not a lot. But if it went from that to $500,000 in a couple of years it would not be economically viable. So I'm not asking not to pay any taxes all I'm asking for is that it's stacked and that there's some way we can budget for the next five years so that we know about what things will be. So you're asking you'd like it to at a certain rate right now instead of jumping quickly you'd like it to go incrementally to be set now or within the next year or two prior to all the renovations being done but be set at those increments eventually to get up to what the Listers will put in instead of doing hand job protocols. Correct. How often do they come in have they been in the Listers how many times have they been in the house? I know they came in once when I first bought it. First they came in. What's happened? They should go in when they first bought it. They came in then and I don't think they've come back. They can't really do anything until they can be approval now I believe. They can do it just or not. Now every year they'll re-assess if they will based on whatever repair and renovation that's that thing. So Can they request to go back to the building again? They can request to go into the building each year to re-assess. The ability to go in as much as they need to. One of the challenges is that we're having a front load a whole lot of costs and improvements like the 50 yards of concrete for the foundation and the roof and in the next phase which will happen hopefully around the first of the year elevator and the sprinkler system will have to go in. So those are big costs that will push the value of the building on the benefit from those for another year or two as we get the rest of the building on line. We'll have to see if it talks about it. We'll talk to them because I think the value would have to be said is just how the assessments are made because every year they're going to re-assign, they're going to re-assess and assess the value to it. I don't know what to talk about. You're going to phase all this anyway, right? What is your how long are you going to phase things before you're completely built as a whole? Oh, it's a tell-all good. So I wonder if if they're going to re-assess every year and it's only a small portion of what has been of the building is going small portions completed. I think in practice that's correct. What I'm worried about is if there's some big change and that the practice all of a sudden says hey, we really need to pump up the grand list and we're going to take this building from from a hundred thousand to five or six hundred thousand dollars. And again, I'm not asking not to pay any taxes. I'm just asking that we step it so that we can budget and get the building online. It's almost an almost agreement for a pre-determined re-defined in-depth interest. In a lot of some of the bigger towns Claremont, New Hampshire, Springfield and Dome in Southern Windsor County a lot of times the town would get the mill buildings back. They'd sell them to a developer for a dollar and give them tax stabilization for five to ten years so that they could get the building back online and invest a lot of money. And so just on a very smaller scale, something like that would be really beneficial but took a blossom block and then the continued economic development of that town. We can certainly get it going. We can certainly get it going and we can certainly see the statutes and see because then the other curve balls that we have on the town like Retrater that gets triggered somewhere along the line and how that may impact it. And it sounds like from your research at least but I guess we'll have to find this out is that essentially we'd be looking at making some sort of decision at full making or the town so I guess what I'm going with is there's a bit of a timeline and you're trying to get ahead of that timeline. The timeline would be town meeting. Getting us aware of it, getting us to do our side of the research negotiate all of that side and then have it in time for town meeting. So that's essentially what you're asking. So there's state rags on all the statue on that so and you said Springfield was there anybody else that showed up? They did it in Hyde Park and that was the administrator that I talked to was in Hyde Park and he was referred to me through one of my contacts who got historic preservation so I can do the research and bring it back. Thanks. Thanks Kevin. Okay so moving on to reportations and ordinances about the green lantern was released Chris Noble with the world I really like your digs here this is a fantastic town hall so wouldn't consider trading would you? Yeah. That's right. That's the costume moving. The costume moving that might be some can I move up here? Just here on courtesy for the green lantern party if you have any questions how we came to our decision to report it to Chris Chris Jarvis Chris Jarvis So I did get a chance to sit with Chris and go over I'll help you folks improve your negotiation work and we appreciate you taking the time to dive in there and make some changes some changes maybe significant so we had a copy we had a chance to look at it there were there were four changes that were highlighted in there one was a change in the length of term 25 years instead of 20 years with basically unlimited renewals it's established a 25 year with two five year renewal terms with a percent of both the owners and ten to ten owners there was a slight increase in the dollar figure for rent in the later years yeah that's what I meant the installment rent payments were increased sorry that they were shifted to four years was that in there before okay the change in the length of term to two the exercise of the five year purchase was agreed on by all parts that's one change the initial term was changed from 20 to 25 the annual rent for years 21 to 25 that's a slight increase that was 4,000 or something like that and then the option period was 26 to 30 and 31 to 35 was not a specified annual rent being negotiated by kids so maybe you so those are the four changes that were made for the early questions so what we're going to do is go into an executive session and start a discussion and you'll come out and vote okay okay can Chris be in the arts hi what's up to you what's up to all of you do you want to fight it yeah I don't have a problem yeah of course others can't meet you I don't know you know we worked on this quite a bit so we had a certain decision to make okay so I guess we'll we'll let the same motion go into a separate session so we'll then we'll come out and make a decision all fair okay okay what are you saying no it's not a budget so for that well we have options the motion to come back in the regular session so we'll second all clear okay we'll back in the play so we have we're going to be voting on the release to approve or not we also have I don't know if we have an option to hold board you guys take a look at our statement is that going to be a significant data finance only the closest on the 20th in this one so we won't be here until the time it's clear so I guess you're happy to take yeah okay so I would entertain a motion to approve the green lantern basically so more vote paper yeah I would say well well all in favor I got it so we approve the green lantern so what I need you to do is that's okay that's what I'm going to say we'll wait for Chris to come back and he'll be back tomorrow it all talks about the chairs Robert that's what I was going to say okay well that's done and I may just come over and just try to deal with this just hang out Rachel we had the American Ambassador my granddad used to talk about that but the honey locust was pretty darn good last year we entered Cambridge blue ribbon for premium apple blossoms we're going to enter the honey locust and see how we do it's lots of fun thank you I would okay next item is the green mountain power easement request which goes along with the installation of the solar project at the transfer station so this is the revised easement that green mountain power have come to us with they've finally come up and figured out exactly where they can run the lines that will work okay with chet at the facility kind of be the best I guess scenario for everybody so this is just the easement that goes along with that if you look at the original documents in the contract you just signed there was a map in there that showed some easements and some preliminary spots for these lines to go those were not going to work because they were in violation of our SWIP among other things so this is the revision based on kind of chet walking the site where they're going to this is just basically we're authorizing you to be our authorized agent okay any questions okay entertain a motion to authorize Greg to sign this easement I'll stack up that one there you go all in favor okay take care of that thank you very much okay so next slide on minutes of communications we know that the select board minutes yeah my apologies they missed the packet so we'll bring it back next time so we'll just table that until table that until next time you're off for the week you're off for the week depends on the new yeah that's one point I know it's one point on your side okay so now we've got the town managers administration report so a couple things in your packet the preliminary year in budget is in there I'll field any questions on that I'm sure I can do it I think we did a really good job working up on the budget that we want to share with and we'll confident in last year if you look at the end of the day which is what I'm looking at we're actually on the right side of the coin on this so this is very preliminary so you know and that was one of my questions was how how much more to come is there very little really it's just when she says that she means you know it hasn't gone through the official everything's in as far as we know there might be a couple things that are trickling in here and there but the payables are all done 99% of the bills that we think are out there are in so I think we're real close we're really obvious the audit I think is scheduled in September or October I believe we'll have to get out to ask but I think it's real soon so we'll see what happens it was a little bit tough and everybody did a really good job I think everybody did a really good job some of the things you'll see in here are some costs that we're not budgeted for that kind of put us over the top on a few items that we've rectified in our new budget we'll continue to make changes to our budget until we get everything covered like it should be so take a look if you have any questions I could definitely answer them for you I'd be curious Greg if we could do a comparison or some analysis I know it's very early in the new position category the new position that we instituted to see what the net net of that position versus what we were hoping to have for savings of outside costs things like that I know it's kind of early to do that but it's something just to say yeah let me get through a snow season because that's where we're going to see the savings let me get through that and we can do that next year for sure we'll put something together, remind me and we'll put something together after he's been here a full year and see what we were actually what we had paid the year before and then what we got for and then look at it and see if it's are we getting the same services or even maybe just six months out of the park thing I think we also another part of that it's not completely fair to look at it dollars a dollar because I really feel that we're getting more for the money that we're spending yeah there's intangibles we can definitely look at it and see if we're getting if it is costing us anymore if it's working thought it would because that would be a good thing also to have for town meeting you can show these kinds of things that these things that we're doing to improve sure we can do that are there any questions about the year end budget? I don't think Chris have any comments did you hear from Chris at all? Chris is he's outside of the line I know where he is too and plus the numbers I was real happy to see we had some things that we overspent but all in all at the end of the day we were on the right side of this I think that's big kudos to all of my people for really watching the budget and being aware of what's going on and not just spending because they could well it's good to have a qualified driver behind the wheel too and it's not just it's everybody you know trees right on down through and I think we're just going to continue to refine it as we really get numbers that are correct and maybe maybe somewhere budget items last year we'll have to see I'm glad it just came in close it wasn't in the off the wall one way or another that wouldn't really be a problem well yeah good for everybody no questions? so my staff report is also in your packet just a couple quick little highlights I got to put my glasses on I bought some of these Walmart special? so we applied for and received the passive grant this is a grant through our insurance company of course and they they give us we'll give us money for safety oriented type things we bought a trench box because we were installing fire hydrants and lines and things we didn't have a trench box like we should the road crew are getting new cones and flare not flares to cones and flasher beacons and some other safety related type things and they also met some t-shirts that were class 3 t-shirts and it was a 90-10 grant so we got like $10,000 worth of stuff I think it was a 50-50 grant I'm sorry $10,000 worth of stuff for $5,000 that was stuff we had budgeted by anyway most of it and we just got twice as much so we actually applied for this grant every year a lot of times it goes to the fire department because they can buy safety related equipment with it too we will apply for it next year and kind of see what we use it but if you see the guys out with some new cones and wearing some new shirts and stuff that's why the wastewater asset analysis this started before I had started this was similar to what they had done with the water system it's kind of a precursor to a master plan we had I believe a Dubois and King I think that's who did it they looked at our system and they basically mapped all of our system and they looked at the age of our system and they kind of did a real preliminary capital improvement plan that basically says that based on the typical shelf life of a motor it should die at this time it allows us to kind of plan for the future we did one of these with our water system and it wasn't quite on the level of our master plan that we're working on now but it was an initial thing key to this is that it's free this was all paid for through an undergrant that we'd gotten so we didn't pay a dime for this one I did reach out to Mrs. Placey and met with her about the gravel pit I originally had talked about not doing that pit but then I kind of really delved into the numbers and looked at what it was going to cost us and I think it's going to be in our best interest to get that going again the permit is still valid it's valid for another I believe seven years but it's still valid and there's some work we have to do down there of course like some remediation work with the topsoil and all that but that has to get done regardless that never got done so I had a real good discussion with her I actually sent her a contract to look at it and see if she's interested in charging the same amount as what we were being charged last time we get it which is I think $5 a yard for the material so she's still okay with that price she wanted a clause that said we could revisit that year after year which is fine I understand that so I'm hoping that she's okay with that and she brings that back to us and we can get moving on it I've already talked to the crushers and they are tentatively scheduled so if this does work out I think we're good to go last we we talked about Morgan a little bit I just wanted to put out there I think he's doing a fantastic job I really like he's doing a lot of mo and he's keeping up with all these green spaces I haven't gotten any complaints at all about what he's been doing and I haven't gotten anything either way so I was just curious if you had heard anything or if you had any concerns comments anything with a position that we might want to look at so I want to kind of grow it into what it really needs to be in the future but have you heard anything have you seen anything I'm wondering how we continue to pursue his certification stuff with the water and sewer oh yeah he spends part of his time as a water and sewer yeah he actually he's actually part of his budget what he gets paid comes out of water and sewer so he's getting paid if he's spending a lot of time doing the mowing is he still able to keep up with his studies if you will and it's going to be a little seasonal because he'll have a little summer it's going to be Momo-Mo and the winter's probably going to be a lot of plowing and then you've got those dead times in between we hope to a lot of the sewer and the water he does the rounds for the water system every day so he's out checking the wells he does them every day and then he helps Tim out whenever he needs help doing something wherever actually we had him slated at 15% water and sewer and I think he's exceeding that already we'll have to see for the whole year what it looks like but we only had about 15% so he was doing 50% water he was doing some come out of the wreck because he was working at the pool and doing some mowing at the wreck fields some of his pay was coming out of the highways and in some out of sewer he was going for four or five different places so he's fairly close to that we'll have to see after the entire years but a large portion of it was still coming from the highway department mowing from the highway department just because plowing from the highway department because we spent a lot of money there last year and I foresee him spending a lot of time plowing this winter if the guys are plowing he'll be plowing as well well you've also got a new hire there so that's another person who worked out was a new person the new position was was created but it wasn't funded it was already funded it was funded by taking all of these different things that we used to sub out and bringing them all into the house that's what paid if you will for that new position so we're a full staff which is essentially five people we've got the four plus the float position but it wasn't an increase at all with that I took all the subbed out things and brought those all in house the plowing, the mowing the pool stuff all that is all in house now so I guess it's kind of just yet to see what happens with this give us some time I like your idea of looking at it and seeing if it has been is it worth what we're doing or is something these tasks out the way to go I don't know but this was really just the intent here was just to feed back from anybody good or bad if you're hearing anything on the streets about what he's been doing I don't know if you saw he put the covers on the trash cans he built those covers for those trash cans I was going to say the only common complaint I've heard or would have had prior to the last week or two was the trash that especially with the uptick of people in downtown especially with the summer but in general the trash is getting full and then it's remaining full and over starting to overflow but that actually hasn't been the case in the last couple weeks and so I was sort of thinking oh I should really bring this up to Greg and then it all of a sudden became a non-issue we were seeing so much residential big bags you know big bags trash somebody's household trash in those things so that's why he built that plus they were getting full of water so that had a top on it keeps the rain out plus it hopefully it's only six inches wide keeps people from sticking out the household trash there so so you have that one I think you addressed that you know this is a learning process this whole position I want to just get as much feedback as I can from whoever everybody so that we can make it into what it needs to be I'm a little curious and you may not know this yet some of it may sort of figure itself out in the winter when you say that he'll be plowing are there designated areas like he's going to be doing sort of the downtown stuff or you know things like that or is it still also be helping we'll both so Alan has redone the plow rounds and just tweaked him a little bit to make him a little more efficient so he has his own plow round which is essentially that's why we bought the smaller pickup without the keen cab and all that stuff on it so that it can navigate these side roads this parking lot all those areas where you you really couldn't get up in there really easily with that one ton of lean on so it's that's really where he's going to be in a typical store on my tour you know a little van tracks thing doing the sidewalks he'll be on a loader cleaning out the downtown area he'll be doing the side streets, the parking lot all of the kind of paved downtown part and maybe even some of the paved roads further up like Norfolk Road and whatever but also it's it's kind of a security blanket so that we have the one time go down which it did all last year it seemed like he can jump on around and he can go do some of the other roads and he won't be able to do them as efficiently but it's another plow that's available that he can do some of the stuff with so yes he's really a he's a security blanket for the bigger trucks and the bigger routes but he's primarily he's going to be downtown doing the smaller side roads and the parking lot and the parking spaces so let me know, let me know what you hear get her back that's all I've got and if you've got any questions for me the folks that were in at the last meeting about the class 3 road up on Black Hill look so you can give an update on that yeah sure I went up there and took a look I've got a little bit more to do but Alan and I drove that road it's a very very nice road they've put a lot of road base on it they've done some great work to it it needs it doesn't have a turn around at all that's probably the biggest issue with the road is it doesn't have a large turn around or yet on town property for the trucks the only way excuse me, the only way that Alan thought that they could turn around would be to drive all the way in the driveway and back out and then come back out which is not it's probably 400 feet it's a ways up there it's not just turn around at their driveway so there is no turn they could build one I think there's a little bit of work but they would have to build it there's a little bit of drainage issues with some of the slopes that are steep that we would require rock lining and things like that and the entrance has some issues as well it's a little narrow we've got those three things I'm going to come back I'd like to go back and do a really close look at it and it's narrow so there's really those four things my intent was to go back out there when I get a chance and take some pictures so that I can kind of do a more formal presentation to the board and see what you want to do as far as I'm looking forward there's only one primary access off of it there's their driveway at the end of it the other accesses are just somebody's backyard they just built a little access point to the back their main accesses are all on the front I will take some pictures and do a little more and bring you a small presentation to show you what we're at with it I was still in the schedule to do that work on Slack Hill it worked and whatnot at the bottom of their road what's all done go out there and check it out that's great check it out I got one put that in there that's good I'll just bring back more to you it doesn't meet the requirements honestly of a class 3 road somebody was to come in with a subdivision because if you have a subdivision we can really outline this is exactly what we want it doesn't meet that but honestly it doesn't neither do a lot of our roads if you really look at it they're very narrow this has got really good road days anyway I'll put all that together and I'll bring it back to you and figure out what you want to do with it any other questions for Greg one of my nods can you check out Slack Hill okay okay we've had the Constable's report everybody had a chance to peruse that looks like he's doing a good job and we yeah if you could maybe chat with him about problem is when you see a cruiser sitting up there everybody's going to slow down that's the same thing well isn't that the end goal well yeah but he's only going to sit there for an hour or so but you don't know when it's going to be there right personally they had that portable speed signed down in the town of Royalton or North Royalton it was there for like two months but I even now I am conscious when I go down through there I do yeah I need to be 35 I mean I think about it on North Road when I was commuting to Woodstock and Bridgewater because they'd sit on that road they wouldn't sit on 12 so I watch my feet more closely on North Road so yeah I think it may still have some benefit I think that's a real good idea actually to put those solar signs I mean that's solar signs speed signs maybe it's just a question of conditioning you're going to be a little careful on how remote they are because they could come up and miss it yeah you'd have to try pretty hard but I'm sure anybody could yeah yeah you're right you're right we're looking at buying a couple more we've got some grant money coming that one that they had in Royalton they rent that I think they bought that is that the trailer and that is an option we have this money coming that Mark got from doing DUI enforcement I thought about doing fixed locations speed signs like by the school but we could purchase a speed trailer I'm not sure how much they cost and how much money we have that might be something that we look at Mark told me he bought one he got one for one of his other towns if we buy some more what we've got we ought to spend the long dollar and get the solar charger on top it's almost more expensive it's almost the same price to retrofit those so my thought is that with the money we have I think we can buy two I want to get two fixed locations with solar panels and these other two will move around we'll post one over here that's the one that's there we'll put a fixed location that's a good spot for that and then another fixed location I bought out at the school and then we could move these other because they're just battering the batteries and the batteries are such a pain we looked at doing a retrofit to battery the solar on those and it's not worth the money we should buy a new one okay we have minutes from the Bethel Rec Creation Committee looks like they had a fairly extensive discussion about the skateboard park and whatnot and are you there Greg anything to add to I told them what I told you that there was a conditional use permit for the Rec facility done like three years ago and it expired after two years so technically the permit for the Rec facility as a whole it is not valid I told them that and they actually took it as kind of an opportunity to possibly make some changes to the facility down there the design was never approved by the people it didn't have to be it was actually approved by zoning and the board at some point said we like that we went to zoning in the past but now it's not valid so they're looking at seeing if they can move some stuff around to accommodate all the same elements but keep some of the green space and make things so that there's been a lot of backlash but noise about if we put all those things in there we're going to lose that hill and they're going to try to get away from it so that's where they're at they're going back to that whole design now and looking to see how those elements might get moved around and come back to you with another concept that they're looking at they're talking about a gazebo there is somebody in town that's heritage builders they want a gazebo for free it's it's a big structure but it's not a permanent structure so it doesn't necessarily have to be part of the rec master it's not a permanent structure it can be moved to different places but it's a nice big thing it's really nice I'm glad to see that reexamining the skateboard concept they're going to try that they took the parameters that the board gave them they're trying to work with that and then they're also looking at the fees the pool fees so that kind of got tabled a little bit because the discussion was long with the other but they're going to have the next meeting go back and revisit the because it looks like it looks like Randolph's pool they not open again it might be dead so they're going to come back and have their idea and their recommendation on what we have accepted alright any other business come before the board so I'll get the same emotion that we go into an executive session to discuss personnel matters so we'll move second all in favor