 It is better, it is healthier to be fat and strong than it is to be skinny and weak. The data actually shows this, in fact, we're probably not in an obesity epidemic. We may actually be in an undermuscled, weak epidemic. The data is alarming. I like when Dr. Gabriel on says, this is the first time I heard someone say that. Say that we're undermuscled. Yeah. We're not over fat. We're undermuscled. So I was thinking about this a lot this morning and I remember, you know, I used to train a lot of doctors. I remember one of them, what kind of, he was a vascular surgeon and he said to me, he said, you know, a sizable minority of people are the ones that get type two diabetes and get heart attacks. Like they're not fat and they get heart attacks and I said, what do you mean a sizable minority? And he goes, well, it's not a majority, but it's a big enough percentage to where it's kind of weird. And I always stuck with me, you know, it's like, that's true, right? Cause we always think obesity causes everything. It's the obesity that's causing everything is what we think, but that's not necessarily the case. So I looked up some statistics. So trip off this 15 to 20%. Okay. So roughly two out of every 10 people who get type two diabetes are not even overweight. Okay. That's a lot. That's millions of people. 20 to 30% of people who get heart attacks are not overweight. 35% of people with high blood pressure are not overweight and 60 to 70% of cancer patients actually majority are not overweight. Now you do you want to know what all of them have in common? Low muscle. Yes. Sarcopenia. So low muscle mass. Sarcopenia. Sarcopenia. In fact, sarcopenia is it's a high body fat percentage or is it like all across the board? So, you know, there used to be this belief that if you were obese, you probably had more muscle mass. And then there was a study years ago where they showed, no, this isn't the case at all. People who are obese have less muscle mass. They're actually weak. They suffer from sarcopenia. And that was a big myth is just because you the logical thought process. I believe that's true. They're carrying weight, right? Yes. They must have muscle to support weight. Listen, being skinny and weak is actually far worse. Now, of course, there's extremes that somebody beyond here, 600 pounds or whatever. Yeah. It's something about like, when you're looking at... It's all relative. Yeah. General, like general, you know, range of skinny a week and overweight, right? Like what we'll see. Look at athletics, for example. How many sports is it benefit? Do you ever see a skinny, weak person perform? Never. But you see a lot of sports where people are a little heavy and they do pretty damn good physical sports, Justin. I know. It's just mentally physical. Yeah. They burn a lot of calories doing that, actually, right? They do. You've got that, right? Like there's been baseball players, football players, MMA fighters. There's been, you know, people in all kinds of sports, track and field even, where the body fat percentage is a little high and yet they perform really well. You never see the opposite. So strength gives you, muscle gives you mobility. It gives you insulin sensitivity. I think that's... It gives you the buffer. I think that's a big one. It's a resilience. That's a big one. The insulin sensitivity, I think, is the biggest one because it's like it... It's in the same vein as a buffer, too, because it's like, if you have all this muscle, okay, that requires a lot of energy and calories to be sustained and to move and to be used on your body. In comparison to fat, right now. In comparison to fat, then it affords you the American lifestyle a bit. You can get away with eating out, having a couple of drinks here and there, whereas if you have little to no muscle mass on you and a slower metabolism, you know, when you do that, it's like I always try to explain to people why that's so important that we focus first on building muscle and building the metabolism because and why some people feel like this. How many people have you ever talked to as clients that said, like, man, if I just feel like I eat so good and then I have that one meal, right? That one candy bar, that one thing and I feel like it sticks right to me. You've heard that so many times and the young trainer in you goes like, well, that's not possible. It's not like you ate 250 calorie or 500 calorie candy or whatever and it was stuck to your body. If, if 500 calories is a third or, you know, of what your, what your maintenance is, what your maintenance is, then man, it really can feel like a couple of mistakes in the diet and it does add body fat to you versus someone who has just as many pounds of fat on their body, but they have an extra 20 pounds of muscle, same, same body type, same sex, same everything, just give that same amount of fat, even just give that person 20 pounds more muscle. Oh my God, the 500 extra calories here, there and in, that's not ideal. Your, your body ends up utilizing that for energy for maintaining the muscle mass. That's right. Huge difference. And also muscle is a storage vessel for glycogen and glycogen is what your body turns sugars and carbohydrates into. So when you look at blood sugar levels, insulin sensitivity, this is a big one, right? We know now that issues with being sensitive to insulin or having bad fasting glucose or whatever like that's connected to a lot of things, including heart disease, but definitely diabetes and cancer and all that stuff. Muscle is one place that you store. Can we pull up some numbers on that? What can you, can you show me, Doug? How much more glycogen, five pounds of fat versus five pounds of muscle? Well, body fat doesn't store glycogen at all. No. So literally, no body fat, how many so glycogen, so carbohydrates would have to get converted, convert it into fat or turn into fat when you, and you have muscle mass. So your liver, so let's look at that. Let's, how much, how much does five pounds of muscle is stored at five pounds of how many grams of carbohydrates with five pounds of weight in calories, measuring in calories, probably the easiest way to do it. So this is what I see here is 15 grams of glycogen per kilogram of body weight. So that'd be like seven, seven grams. So try muscle, try muscle, put how many, how many, how many grams of carbohydrates can five pounds of muscle store? It might be easier just to find calories and see what I have to convert that to calories, multiply it times four. Yeah. Yeah. Give me a sec. I'll wait. But anyway, my point is this is what I want to, I want to put this, I want to put this into perspective for people because that's such a big deal. It's like, just by you having an extra, I used to give this old generic and I know it's a generic number, but I used to tell someone, oh, we add basically three to five pounds of muscle to your body. We don't change anything else. We just add three to five pounds. And it's like you can have a big Mac a day. Now every single day and your body is not going to store that as body fat. That's a big fucking deal. Again, that's a, that's an estimation. And it's like, obviously there's massive variants and all kinds of other variables, but to get the point across of how important it is that we build a little bit of muscle and how valuable that can be to you to maintaining a healthy fit life. It's also, look, it's a storage vessel for glycogen. Like I said, so your liver and your muscles are the largest places where you'll store a glycogen primarily. That's where you store it. If you build muscle, you've increased your storage capacity, which means you have, now when you eat carbohydrates or sugars, your body has some place to put it and muscles very insulin sensitive. It's actually, in fact, the fastest way, one of the fastest ways to increase or improve insulin sensitivity is to simply build muscle. There's studies on severely obese individuals, people who are very overweight, they haven't lost no weight. They haven't built a little bit of muscle and we, these dramatic improvements in their fasting glucose and in their insulin sensitivity, but there's more than that, right? There's also functionality and mobility. Like move around the world and live your life being skinny and weak versus being overweight, but strong. You are less capable, less functional. There's less you can do in the world. There's less things you can, you know, move and carry and it makes the quality of life. You can't dismiss how much carry over that house too. That's, that's immeasurable too. It's just hard to, to like quantify. Um, oh, okay. I added three to five pounds of muscle. This is also too, I get really annoyed by the science community that wants to distill this down to like what it is calorie wise and only that in a burning, burning state. When it's like, there's so many other factors to the person who adds five pounds of muscle. Like what have they done in order to do that? Well, you know, they've made some good food choices because you're not, you're not building muscle without proper nutrients. Right. So they've added that. They've added some sort of strain training routine. So there's some consistency around that. They've prioritized some sort of recovery. And then how does that make them feel? Yeah. And then how does that, that how does that bleed over into their work life, their home life, their, their parenting, their relationships, their productivity, their energy levels for the day. And it's like, and then how many more steps a day do they take because of that and how much more active and helpful around the house are they because of that and how much more likely are they to play with their kids because of that. And it's like, it's so hard to quantify that. But from experience, you know, how radically you've shifted someone's life when you've just added five pounds. So you find some numbers though? So I'm not sure if this answers your question, but so it's 15 grams of glycogen per kilo of muscle mass, which is 6.8 per pound. And if it's four calories, I believe per, so that's 27 calories per pound of basically per pound. Yeah. Or, but 27 calories. How many grams? Well, that's 6.8 grams. Yeah. So 6.8 grams of carbohydrates that you store in a pound of muscle storing. Yeah. That's not to mention how much it burns and all that stuff. Like I said, it's now the liver stores, most of your glycogen, but muscle mass does it as well. This is why, like I said, again, if you look at the studies, you want to improve your blood sugar, build some muscle. That's the fastest. I have family member, in fact, I'm working with right now, and she can't figure out why her fasting glucose is she's not overweight. Right. She's like, I don't need a lot. I don't know what's going on. You know, I'm on the treadmill. This and that. I'm like, please lift weights, lift weights. Finally, finally, she started lifting weights once a week. Guess what do you think? What do you think happened? No. She, she texts me back. She's like, this is, she's like, I know you told me, but I didn't realize what happened this fast. Uh, but that's what muscle does. And, and by the way, the data on people who are underweight, look at the mortality on people who are underweight. It's worse than the data on people who are overweight. Do you know that people are underweight have terrible mortality. Now, what am I, I'm not trying to advocate for people to go on this obesity journey. Obese bulk. But we need to shift our mindset a little bit. And the medical community, there's about, there's a shift that's about to happen in the medical community because obesity, we used to look at obesity as the cause, but obesity may be the smoke. The fire may actually be the fact that these people are undermuscled and metabolically, metabolically as a result unhealthy and being obese is a side effect of that, which then causes more negative effects itself. But again, there's a sizable minority, 20, 30% of people never get obese, but they suffer from these chronic diseases. And it's because they're undermuscled. Was it so we have in this conversation with Dr. Seeds, is that what sparked some of this? Oh, no. So with Dr. Seeds, I was, I am going to be talking a little bit about, you're right, actually, I am going to be talking to a group of doctors, a large room of doctors about strength training and why that should be the first line of defense in terms of exercise. Like when you recommend activity to your patients, you need to advocate for strength training. And here's why. Yeah, we need more doctors on board with this is the point that it's just like, because I mean, we could say it to death, we can, all the other influencers can say it to death. A lot of people are still like live and die by what their doctor tells them. And so it's like, you know, if we can get the medical community to really embrace that fact that, and there's so many studies coming out to really like back you up on. It does, it does feel like we're moving in that direction. But then I, I wonder sometimes too, is that it, because it's in our little bubble, it's so hard sometimes to, like, to judge like what the general population is feeling or what the information they're getting, because it's like, yeah, in our circle, we have doctor, lots of doctor friends, you know, Gabriel Lyon, Dr. Seeds, you know, like all these great doctors that are good friends of ours that are promoting this message. But I mean, that's our little circle of friends. It'll be interesting when we speak at his event, because he's, his event is about, you know, wellness to all medical professionals. It's 500, it'll be 500 doctors and medical professionals. It'll be interesting to see their response to what I'm saying. And when I present them, if they're surprised by it, or if they're like, you know what, actually, I've been seeing studies on this. Do you predict, right, being challenged by them at all? I, so I thought of that. Here's what'll happen if I get challenged. I don't think I'll get challenged by the typical doctor. I think I'll get challenged by the triathlete doctor or the distance to focus the doctors. Yeah, there'll be a doctor in the audience who's a marathon runner or a triathlete. Cardio junkie. Yes. Who wants to make that case. And they're going to try and say, no, or, you know, whatever. Yeah. You know, the most staunch. Yeah. And all forms of activity, if done appropriately, are amazing. Don't like quit just because I'm saying this and not do nothing. But if you're going to pick just one, like to build muscle, that is the reaching, the effects of that are so far reaching and the effort required to get those effects are so little in comparison to other forms of exercise. But we do need to change this idea. By the way, you know, now that I'm working out in a commercial jam, kind of a mainstream one, I'm noticing there has been a little bit of a shift. I'm seeing more people who are strong and mobile, who probably need to lose some weight. Then I'm seeing the skinny fat that we used to see all the time in the gyms. I don't see a lot of that. I see much more of the like stronger, like, you know, about the cardio machines. No, I'm not seeing a lot of that at all. And it might be maybe because I, you know, the gym I go to, this kind of strength training focused. Yeah, you're talking about a UFC gym or two, that's a little bit of a box. But it's cool to see because I see all these, you know, you can tell they move good. And in fact, there's this thing, I don't know if I talked about them on the show, there's this couple that works out and they're, you know, they're not, they're not super overweight, but they're in the higher body fat percentage in terms of like what you consider to be lean or whatever. Man, you got to see these couple move, man, they're jumping rope and doing stuff. Oh, bro, they're doing stuff on the grass, jump box. Like they train like athletes. I don't know if they compete or if this is the way they like to train. But the way they move, it's like, oh, wow, you guys are fit. You guys are very athletic. You know, that's hard. That's hard, though, too, because that they're I mean, I struggle when I see someone like that because there's also the potential that they're doing that with the intent of trying to lose weight. You know why I don't think so. Oh, I watch how they work out. Their workouts are intentionally it's like they're following performance advanced, like they know how to apply jump boxes. They know how to apply mobility adequate rest periods and all that. Oh yeah, they know what they're doing. That's a big difference. They're not doing like they were to jumping around and so is your guess that they probably play intramural sports or something or like what's your thought or they just want to be athletic, you know, functional quote unquote functional training is more popular these days. So they could just be fanatics and just really into, you know, feeling like they can move, you know, really well. Yeah, because a lot of time you get somebody who's who's trying to lose weight and they're trying to do it through that process. They don't look like that because you know what that looks like. You see. Yeah, totally. That's what I'm saying. That's why you struggle with that, right? You see someone who's working that hard and they're really overweight and they're they're they're applying that intensity, thinking they're going to get this great return calorie burn wise and fat loss wise. Meanwhile, they're at a, you know, 1500 calorie intake 20,000 steps and it's just like just, I mean, they're burning the candle at both ends and they're not understanding why they're not seeing results. Terrible. Today's giveaway is maps split. If you want to enter to win, leave us a comment below this video, subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. Also this month's sale Maps anabolic half off Maps anabolic advanced also half off both very powerful muscle building workout programs. If you're interested, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. Anyway, I'm learning about all these fun ways to use household products to make like things for kids like slime and like snow and stuff like that. Have you done any of that? Yeah, so we make we make his bath salts from home. We just made a paper mache and bath salts used to be drugs. Not that the I know what you mean, the one that the bath bomb your bath bomb bath bombs that we've made homemade versions. We just did a we just did a piece of ashay volcano that we made from scratch. Oh, what? Oh, those are fun, yeah. So I mean, what a great idea. I forgot about that. Oh, yeah, it's cool. So I bought this little kid. That's so fun. I told you, I told you, yeah, he's like into science, right? So he's all is this the one that they mail you every month? No, it's just it was like this box. It wasn't that expensive too. I can't remember what I paid for it. But it came with, I don't know, maybe I want to say like seven or eight, maybe more than maybe 10 science experiments. And some of them are so basic like prime colors. What like so you would do like we had these came with this whole thing and you put the mix them together and make other colors. Yeah, yeah. And then you make it, but it's water and you use water coloring and then you drip it. And then there are other ones where we were mixing like oil base with water. And then we were making like almost like made like a homemade version of like a lava lamp so we could see that. And like just really just with a bunch of home stuff, you know, it's just a volcano. I forgot about it. We're using syrup, olive oil, water, food coloring stuff. Like, yeah, I do a lot of things like that. He's really into so it's so funny because Katrina was like concerned, like, you know, I don't know if we should be letting him say that he thinks he makes poison, right? And it comes from like Mario, you know, brothers and poison. So he's saying I made so he makes poison. Like that's what he's always like pretending to make poison. If he's in the sandbox, he's adding rocks and sticks and it's poison and and water. If we're in the bathtub, we're mixing all the shampoos and the stuff to make poison. And then you're going to freak out at school. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, I am not where I was like more of a lickser. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like that's his thing, right? So he just loves like making all this stuff. So we use a lot and I'll just get random stuff out of the let's see what happens when we put flour with this with that and then he gets a kick out. We just did. We just did one where you take two cups. I think I got it right. Two cups of baking soda and half a cup of conditioner. And it turns into like it's like snow, like you can make snowmen out of it. And like it's very messy. Yeah, I have to. I have to tell you guys about this. So you guys know how I am in terms of like, you know, doing things a little too hard and grabbing things, breaking things. Yes. Anyways, it's been sort of my MO. Well, my youngest is very much along those same in that same vein. And he he just like gets up and and runs really faster. He gets up and grabs something and he just does it like really hard and like everything is rough. It's just rough. Yeah, there's no like gentle, soft like movements or anything. It's just bam, let's go. And so I was like on the couch last night and it was time for him to go to bed and he was just getting up, you know, from the ground and he goes over to like jump on the couch where the pillow is. And he was just going to like hit his face on the pillow. Yeah, like and jumps up. He literally jumps right into the arm of the couch where it's the the wood and hits it right in the eye. And he he has like the biggest shinier. Buddy, why did you do that? Like it just was like in an instant. Like and I knew because he started like he never like really cries. He just was kind of like like trying to like little like breathe it out. You know, he's like how old is he? He's like, oh, yeah. No, so he's 11, but like he dude, when boys right around that age, when they get hurt, it's the it's the yeah, this one, they're trying to figure out not to cry. Yeah. And so in in at first, I'm like, oh, I'm concerned. And Courtney's coming over trying to give him love and stuff. And I'm just like immediately I'm like, OK, so here's what you say at school. You should see the other guy. You know, I'm like, oh, I've never heard that. I'm like, it's the joke that everybody is. Is it like seriously black? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's like already kind of closing up. Oh, like a real one. Child services will be showing up. Yeah, yeah. I know. I know. I was a little concerned. I didn't make my bed. Yeah. Poor guy, dude, but it just poor kid again. And then so like like father like son, so I'm actually like my routine to go take the trash cans out. I have to like take the trash cans all the way up. You guys know where my house is where this huge hill to get all the way to the front of the street. That's annoying. And so yeah, it's annoying. I have to either like walk them all the way up, which you know, normally we do just kind of make like a little hike out of it. But if it gets late at night, I have to just like throw in my truck and go. But recently, like I just got this like electric bike. And so I'm like, I'll make this easy for me. So I take the garbage cans up all full with one hand like this. And I'm just like right in the hole holding it one hand and they just go all the way up. Yeah. And it was fine going up. Right. But they were empty. And I had to like bring them back down to the house. And, uh, dude. So I'm like going down and it starts to get to the steep part and I'm my hand. So it has the throttle on the right side and it also has the brake. And I'm holding this trash can in this hand and the wheels start wobbling on on the trash can and it kind of goes to the side. And it's a big trash can. It's kind of heavy. I'm like like twisting my arm. I'm like, oh, no. And so I I grab the the brake and I clench on it hard. It's the front brake. Oh, no, you went over. I flip over the bike. This like like comes up in the air. This is really hard to describe because it was like a lot of like pretzels, weird flip movements that were happening all at once. And I'm like over the bike and I kind of like land on the on one of the pedals like on my calf and it just like totally dug in there and like it gave me like a dead leg and I managed to not like really injure myself somehow and I got up and I was just like, oh my God. Wait, so this is in the dark. Your family. Yes, nobody knew. Nobody knew. Did you lay on the floor for a second hobbling in? It's like, is it all bruised? What happened to you? Yeah, it's all bruised on there. Yeah, let me see. Yeah, you can't see anything, dude. Yeah, we got to get a nest kit, a nest cam. I saw that. That's a big bruise. It's fine. It's but it's not fine, bro. It's still a little bit ginger. I saw, hey, listen, listen, I saw it peek out. You know why he doesn't want to show us? He's going to the doctor. Bro, you better go and check now you get some game. Hey, listen, hey, he has black socks on. He went up white ass legs. Yeah, and it looked like another sock on. It's just like a line that just not like bad. Anyways, you got to show Adam. You got to show Adam after the show. I'll show you. You didn't go to the doctors. I'm fine. I don't understand. But yeah, I was so now how OK, so that obviously that stuff happens to all of us, right? Like, no, it doesn't. That never happened to you. You're right. Like, oh, gosh, I was like, man, I'm not going to climb that rock. No, it's like four feet, bro. Come on, you do that. No, I'm not going to do that. It's too good. Hey, listen, I'll tell you, I gotta say something. I gotta give you a prop. So I saw the videos of you doing drills in the field on performance and vans. Oh, yeah. This fucker can move, dude. Yeah. He's a moose. Are you sure they're him or they're the body double one? No, that's when I got Oh, wait, we used to. Yeah, I didn't even use Kyle for some. No, bro, he fucking moves. And I was talking about it. I was here the other morning. I was all. Yeah, I was like disappointed because it's like we're talking about like our age and like, you know, some restrictions and I just feel like tight and like just this old body. Now that I'm I mean, I forget you were a college football player. So you obviously you're obviously slow as hell compared to how you must have been before compared to everybody else. Pretty fast, bro. I watched you move on that thing. The real question was how sore were you after all? Very, very, very, very. Where did you get sore? Was it all everywhere? Well, the strings were just done. My hamstrings like it was weird. It was like all the way up my back, you know, because it's just the impact. I haven't even just like even pounded the ground like that in a long time. So it was it was funny, dude. It was just like you just feel like all the joints just talking back to you. I wasn't sore at all after in a bulk advance. It was all like overhead press of 20. Which one do you have your dumbbells? I'm demonstrating exercise. I'm not like this guy. No, put heavy weight on the bar to demonstrate. I know what I was thinking. Yeah, trying to do all the complex stuff. I remember when we used to do all of our videos, I remember when Justin was. He always wanted real weight on the bar. So yeah, put like 185 on there. Yeah, 185. It's a video. Nobody can even see it. Six times, right? I just felt like a total plus. Otherwise, you know, I couldn't do it. No shame in my game. They put the plastic ones on there. I'll just use the bar and destroy the technique. I don't know how much I'm working out with. Yeah, anyway. It's funny though how many people think that. You know, how many people on YouTube have been busted for doing fake weights like that? I know athlete next has been busted on that. If I'm demonstrating technique, then I'm going to show you good technique. I'm not going to show you what I'm working out with. That's stupid. Yeah, speaking of old guys, tell me about this 42 year old dude that's throwing heat. There is a. He's supposed to play. There is a. There's a 42 year old dad that is throwing 102 mile an hour fastball and has some tryouts with some MLB teams coming up. So I don't know. So what was the story? You were telling me this. He, he, he got, he got drafted, but they got injured at a college. So he couldn't ever, he lost his opportunity. Yeah, yeah. So he, exactly. So he ended up losing his opportunity. He goes through a divorce in like his late 30s and out of like to try and get his mind off of the divorce and stuff like that, picks up throwing again to just meditative. I mean, imagine just like one of us doing something like that. Like, imagine going through a divorce. You're like, man, I'm going to, I'm going to do some. Strant drills. Mind off of it. Yeah. Play football or basketball. It's a hard time. Right, right. And so he did it with that intention and just got back in the rhythm of it and was getting clocked at like a hundred, a hundred, two miles an hour. Wow. And so now is, is trying out for some MLB. Bro, can you just real quick? Let's just think it is jersey. Oh, first off as a, as a, as an old guy, like I'm a root for this guy. Oh, big time. I see someone in that age. I'm like, that's my favorite person. Yeah. But number two, like his ex-wife, like talk about payback. You know, she, I'm leaving you. You know, he's like pro baseball player now. Yeah. You know, did you look up Andrew after I told you, off air, we were talking, you know, I told you guys about the Bill Belichick conspiracy. Did anybody lift that up afterwards? Did you guys look it up? The Brady conspiracy? Oh yeah. Yeah. So that to me. So first explain the conspiracy. Okay. So Bill Belichick, who was the coach of the Patriots, got fired this year, which is, he's like a, he's known as a top coach, right? One of the best coaches out there. And there, I think there was, I think three or four NFL coaching opportunities coming up. So the question was, where's he going? He's going to go to the Chargers, he's going to go here, like what, what team is he going to do? And all those teams ended up signing people. And so it was like, how is Bill Belichick not going to get picked up somewhere? Well, then all of a sudden this conspiracy starts to come out and that way it starts after Harbaugh leaves Michigan State. So Harbaugh is coming, coming back to the pros. Okay. So Michigan State college team. Right. Size of leave. And there's, so there's a coaching opening there. Michigan State is also Tom Brady's alma mater. Tom Brady only played three years of college. So he has one year of eligibility left. And you can come back and play in college. If you've been out of football for a year or more, your, you can, your eligibility is, you couldn't do it like in the same season. The conspiracy is Bella checks and go back. So the conspiracy is that Bella checks and go back to, go back to Michigan. And then he's going to have, he's going to have Tom Brady come and play for him. And they'll go win a national. And he'd make money too. And now with, and so when that conspiracy first came out, I would have right away dismissed it. Like that's ridiculous. Tom Brady's worth millions and millions of dollars. No college team could do that, could it handle that? Or why would he do that? It's not worth it to him. But now with the rules in college with NIL and these, these, these, these players can take sponsorships and can take money that way. There's definitely a way you could finagle. And that you would think. That'd be the most absurd thing ever. It's wouldn't be so brilliant. Yeah, you can make so much money. I know. The ticket, his, the ticket sales would go through the roof. It'd be the most viewed football game. The jersey sales would go through the roof. The, the television ads that would be, would be, I mean, it would be a brilliant play in so many ways. So it's like, I, I, Who came up with that? I don't know. It's brilliant. I don't know. I saw it. I sent it to my buddies. It's so funny. I mean, I had this like, cause I have like one year eligibility left. And I knew of, I heard of a story of, so we, we had like a school adjacent to ours. That was like a part of his, the divinity school. And so technically it was still part of Trinity where I went. And so this guy actually was able to try out on the football team. He was like in his 40s and he played. And I was just like, what? Yeah. So I was like, I mean, Kurt Warner's story isn't that crazy, but it's kind of like that. I mean, he was, he was over in the arena football for a long time. And I don't remember how old it was when the Rams finally picked up. He comes over to the Rams later on in his career, and then goes into the Super Bowl. My favorite, I have two favorite older guys stories in sports. And it's George Foreman who won the heavyweight championship. How old was he? 40, 41. In his 40s. And I looked at it and then Randy Couture, Randy Couture was kicking ass. He came out of retirement. Yeah. Randy Couture came out. He was an announcer. I remember him. I actually remember when he said he was going to do it. He was watching the heavyweights that were passing the belts around. He's like, man, I could beat all these guys still. And he knew he was retired. Yeah. And then he's like, you know what? And he came out of retirement and then went and won the belt. He knew for sure. He was, I mean, imagine too, at that level, I would think that's how too. I feel like Tom Brady. I feel like Tom Brady could look at the college games and go like, oh, yeah. I could at 80% I can play. Well, also, also the position, right? If he was like a running back or a wide receiver at 40. Yeah, a really good line. Yeah, if you're a kicker or a quarterback, a position like that, like you're where you're a little more. Especially a quarterback, you need the wisdom to call the plays to see what's going on the field. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and that I would imagine at that level. God, just imagine how much of an advantage he has of just being able to see the field. So you think he would get on the field and call it to just murder. Murder, everybody. Murder it. Yes. Just wow. George Ford was 45. Wow. When he became the world heavyweight champion. Your age, dude. Look at that. That's, is this the last decade we could do something like that? Is that what's happening right now? After this decade? I think so. Are there any 57? I think that's the cutoff right there, the 45. I couldn't imagine trying to play a professional. No, I couldn't imagine. I could imagine what if my 20s even. And then he finally like retired. Who? Ryan was up there too. Oh, Nolan Ryan was. That's the manliest guys that Roger Craig was up there too. But wait, Nolan Ryan was. Roger Clemens. I want to say was he 50? Oh, 46. You're right. The cutoff is now. Yeah, dude. It's it's it's approaching. Yeah. Roger Clemens was up there too. He was up. He was up there with that time frame one. You know, I'll give you guys some. I'll give you guys some like to make you feel better. Look at Robert De Niro. How old he is right now because he just had a baby. What's his wife like 20? Was it is it Robert Niro or was it Al Pacino? No, Al Pacino, Al Pacino, Al Pacino, Al Pacino just had a baby. Oh, it was Al Pacino, Doug. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look up Al Pacino. He's literally 80 something. I saw a picture of him holding his baby. I'm like, bro, how do you play on the floor with your kids? I can't. I don't even like playing on the floor with the 83, dude. Yeah. Look at his wife is 29. She's 29. 29 years old. So see, it still works. Well, that's a 54 year difference. Holy shit. You can be your kid's grandparent. Yeah, definitely. Oh, my gosh. That's weird. That's unnatural. Yeah, it doesn't. There's something else I'm off about. That's like biblical times. Is that her right there? That's her, dude. Yeah, she's a pretty girl. That's a weird picture of her. Do you believe that's possible for the for obviously for him? I mean, congrats. Yeah, right. But if do you really believe that she can be attracted to that? Does someone that is that much older? Do you believe in that? It's Al Pacino, bro. But I mean, that's OK. So so then in that situation, Al Pacino. Is that her right there to all these pictures? Safety, security, money. Like, you know, there's the factor in a lot of things. Is that him in the middle? Is that him in the middle with her right there? Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, that doesn't even look right. He's wise. He's rich. Well, Ann and Nicole Smith was the ultimate example. That that was bullshit. She married that dude so he could die. That guy literally looked like the like the cryptkeeper or whatever. But I mean, you know, I mean, OK, here she is. She's married. She's got a kid. Pacino's how much longer he's got, you know, 10 years max. And then she's left in her thirties with all his money. I'm not denying the strategy of this, you know what I'm saying? Like that. But my point is like, could you be really into that, you know, that too much? Yeah. Like even even all things you're saying, like those are all attractive qualities, wisdom and security and all that stuff like that. But I mean, is it could you are there people that that skewed that much that looks does means absolutely nothing. So it doesn't matter. It's got to be, bro. There's got to be. Haven't you ever seen those video? I don't want to go here. You opened it up. Yeah. No, you know, it's OK. Have you seen those those that's the series on I don't remember what channels like my 600 pound live or whatever. People really struggling terribly. They typically have a partner and they're an enabler. And the partner oftentimes is not is normal, like in terms of their size and stuff, and they feed them and they do the whole thing. Doug just highlighted Caldera lab was like, maybe if if Al Pacino was doing Caldera lab, he wouldn't look like he's 85. If he rubbed it all over himself, you think it'll reverse their ladder up against him. You have to drink it in front of him. Yeah, you have to drink it in it, you know, like every night. Just I could afford to. I mean, he's rich enough. He could afford to lather himself up like anything to those tanks. Those oxygen tanks are the ones that are the impression tanks. Yes, you're talking about hyper hyper. Yes, hyperbaric. I think yes. People pay big money to have those things, dude. I did one. And some of these guys like the Tom Brady's stuff like that, these guys got these in their house and shit or have access to. I do. And they sleep in those. Have you ever been on one before? We ever is it? Yep, I was in one. So I had I used to train a surgeon who also one of his businesses was these hyperbaric chambers and they use them to speed up recovery from surgery and cancer patients also use them because it made their treatments much more effective. But he's like, you want to come try and use one like. So you lay in this thing. It's like you're in a submarine. And then there was like a little window and there's like a screen in front of me. So I could just watch a movie while I'm in there. You know, I'm pretty sure I'm like pressure or was it just when you when you come out of it, your ear pressure changes. I didn't notice much afterwards. Yeah. But there's there's a lot of these guys that have these in their homes, dude. And that I mean, that's become like a I believe like LeBron and all those guys that I think they a lot of them sleep in that. I don't know how often just after they use hyperbaric or they sleep in altitude to boost red blood cell production. No, that's like what's his face does for recycling. They're doing the hyperbaric. They're going hyperoxygenation. Yeah, that's the other direction or whatever. Anyway, speaking of Caldera, I tell you guys my my little my little baby sometimes gets a little eczema. So I put Cal it was the best thing ever. Caldera best thing ever to use on it better than that. Because what does the doctor recommend? It's like a petroleum, you know, barrier or whatever. But the Caldera. Why is it so common in kids to have like it's very common. Everything's common now with the autoimmune stuff. It's so crazy. Yeah, it's so crazy that how common it is. There's something we're doing something and we're very careful. I mean, you know, I think my son has used antibiotics once. Yeah, but most likely it's passed down from your shitty gut. Well, no, it's passed on from the mom. Well, both. No, it's just the mom. The the microbiome comes from your mom mostly mostly, but they're still getting yours. I mean, I've picked up your shitty gut from working with you. That's what you think. I think you're just catching up on your fucking good. I think your shitty diets. I was I was good to go. And then you came into my life and all this gut issue stuff. And when I met you, when I met you, it was like Chick-fil-A for breakfast and I look good. Yeah, shits were normal. I look good. It felt good. All of a sudden your stomach. Nothing like psoriasis was at bay like now I'm a better than I ever ate. I manage all those things more than that. It's because you guys made fun of me. I want your shitty gut. I made a little voodoo doll you guys. Hooking their tummies. You're going to feel it nice. So, you know, I mean, you have to think are you're you're holding your baby shirtless and playing here. A lot of your microbiome. Hypercleaning environment. Antibiotic use everywhere. It could be chemicals that we're exposed to. It could be generational. It's probably the case where it's cumulative. But food allergies alone, man. I don't know if you can even find a chart on this exploded. Look up childhood food allergies throughout the decades. It's so crazy. I saw an article of these like these moms that are that are pushing for because of like all the peanut allergies and gluten out and all these allergies that are happening. It was showed a classroom of kids in a music class and they're playing in these like fucking troubles. This is the same like COVID lockdown set up. There's people that there's people that are pushing for that. You know, it's like, oh my God. I mean, I tell people this who are younger. Like, you know, we talked to our editors, they're all in their 20s and stuff and or I'll talk to my kids and like when I was a kid, and I know I sound like like my dad when he tell me stories, but it's weird. I didn't. Did you know anybody with a food allergy at all? No, no, not one. No, no, never. It's so now it now it's now name me a classroom. It doesn't have at least three kids at least name. I don't know anybody that has a classroom that has never. And that's in combination with the auto mini issues, which have exploded all over the place. So weird. Yeah, well, we're doing it to ourselves for sure. It's something that we're doing or a combination of things that we're doing and we got to figure it out. And they're trying really it's actually a big area of study because wow, what is that show, Doug? So these are people or children discharged from hospitals under the age of 18 for things related to food allergies. It looks like almost a four time increase from 1998 to 2004. Not even today. That's 2004. How much do you want to bet? It's even a short window. How much do you want to bet now? It's even far worse. Yeah, that's just basically that's four X from when we went to high school. So four X from when we went to high school to 2004. And then since then it's another 20 years. Yeah, I'm sure it's even crazy. Oh, wow. That's why I'm speaking of kids and stuff. I pulled up some interesting. There's an interesting data from children's activity levels in 1975 compared to 2000 compared to 2015. So 1975 would represent zero on this chart, meaning that's the control. OK, so how much how much kids played outside? How much kids did sports? How much kids, whatever? OK, since 1975 to 2000, outdoor play in 2000 was down almost 20 percent. 2015, 30 percent. So almost 30 percent less time spent outside. You know, I believe it's so much worse than that. This is from the UK, so it might even be worse than that. I think it's so much worse than that. I it's still it's it's become normal that we see this. But and I have a really cool neighborhood, like I love the neighborhood that I live in right now. And it's I think it's got a really cool community. I like I know all the people and everybody's like out the garage open and you see people walking over. But I you know, I grew up in a time where every day you were in the neighborhood, there was at least three, four groups of kids throughout the whole street or block, always out in the street playing and throwing the ball and shoot. And it's just that show me a neighborhood in the at least in the Bay Area, where you go after school. If you drove a car through a neighborhood, when school is out, you had to be very careful. Yes, because balls were flying around. Kids were running, riding their bikes. Now it's like ghost town. It's rare. It's so rare to see that. And so I feel like the number 20 and 30 percent is like under representation. I feel like it's way worse than that. It feels like it doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see a little switch but staying in the kids will still with Disney, right? Did you see the art class sent over that? So Andrew sent it to me yesterday. But I think I just sent it to you. Did you see it? When Disney bought Stakin. What is that? Well, bro, Disney. Oh, oh, I saw that. One point eight billion dollars stake in Fortnite. Epic games and epic games. So they're moving. They've created worlds within the or they're creating it with them. Yes. Yeah. For them to. So they're building that. Are you pulling it up, Doug? My son actually showed me that because he's all into it. Yeah. And actually I wanted to I sent it to Sal because I wanted to hear Domenico's opinion. I actually wanted to hear somebody who's like heavy into a fortnight in these games. To tell me like how cool this could be or not be because it's obviously out of totally how wild. So you own Epic Games owns Fortnite. They can literally sell. Space in their video game to Disney for one and a half billion dollars. Without even buying the company. Yeah, literally, they're like, yeah, you can spend money. He has some real estate in here for this much. Yeah, that's wow. I mean, they're really going. I mean, it was kind of quiet. This whole metaverse talk for a while and it felt like it really had fallen off and this it feels like we're going to. I mean, I get it, though. Like and I I've already fallen off completely. I told you guys that I was trying to like play once and I was done. But they're just so into the creation of the characters. Like there's just so much opportunity for them to like build things within there like the community. It's like it literally is ready. Player one is exactly like Fortnite's platform. That's what the potential of it could be like the metaverse and where they just expand it and keep going with all these characters that they create and plus the exclusivity of the different seasons that they have for each skin that they can earn or whatever. And it's like it becomes its own economy in that sense. OK, so trade them or they can buy upgrades and all that. OK, so I'm glad you use that because that's how I was trying. I was trying to wrap my brain around this because this is so foreign to me. I don't I don't play any of these games and I'm not aware of it. But ready player one was what exactly what I thought is when I was reading the article of like how they're describing this is going to be all these worlds. Yeah. And you're going to plug in and play whatever games you want. And just like remember the the the part when it first starts, the movie starts, it opens up with him and he's like looking to meet up with his buddy. He's like, where are you at? Yeah. Oh, he's probably over in whatever world. And it's like where he's doing all this crazy like doom type of like stuff. And then there's another world that's all race car stuff. It's like it sounds like it's going to be like that. It is because of that, too, right? So this is the digital space. But now let's bring that into the physical parks where they have these warehouses where you put on the, you know, the laser tag kind of gear and you're in VR and you're doing. You're still playing the fortnight like set up, but you're doing it physically. You know, like I saw that they had some of this, some of these warehouses, they're already doing that, you know, where they're doing VR like physically with other people. So this is I'm banking on that, right? So Disney is my big bet stock wise. I'm not a stock guy, nor should you listen to me for advice. But this is what I've put more. I bought more stock in Disney than anything else. And a part of that strategy was because they took a big hit this last couple of years, bad pub and everybody's hating on them. So that, which has been good for stock price, but they're going really hard in this direction. And then the theme parks theme parks. And I do believe that there's going to be a massive resurgence in in-person type stuff. And maybe it looks like this where it's kind of a blended version of, you know, adopting some of the metaverse type of virtual world type shit. And then at the same time, well, the theme parks are really profitable for them, aren't they? Both, dude. Yeah. I think I think both of these are. And Disney really hasn't made a move in the, you know, the video game world. No, like imagine a company that that creative. This will be the first big thing. Yes. And so that's a big, that's a big play for them and a very profitable space if it does well, if it does really well, it'll only boost interest in their theme parks and other things. Everything. Right. So I mean, I'm by the way, do you know how expensive Disney is now? I'm excited. My daughter was there. It's so crazy. The tickets are so is so expensive to Disneyland. Yes. So just speaking of expensive in the economy, like, so I thought this was an interesting strategy. And I thought, Adam, I appreciate this. This was a Wendy strategy going into, I think it's next year. They're actually going to start like testing out, you know, how with Uber, like there's different rates in terms of like volume when there's like high traffic times and not. And then the price points kind of fluctuates because of that. Yeah. So they're going to start testing that out within the Wendy's yen in food. So the way so they're going to run discounts, like at low traffic areas. Low traffic times. Interesting. And then they keep the price the same or higher at like a high traffic. That's actually smart, right? That's really smart. That's really what an interesting strategy. That's actually a very smart strategy. They increase the price a little bit during the high traffic times where it's five to seven when everybody goes to get dinner. Yeah. No, it's a ghost town. Catering to two to three. Yeah. And you're catering to customers who want low price. Yeah, they absolutely need to. Like, hey, saving 50 cents on the meal is a big deal to us. So we'll help the employees because when you get that much volume. I remember that too. Yeah. Like even like in and out and all that. It's just ridiculous. Then you become more efficient, right? You become more efficient. Interesting. Wow, that is so smart. That's a very interesting strategy. And what is it going to play? Yeah, I don't know. When it was either next year or like in a quarter or two. Yes. I wonder if anybody's following suit. Now, you know, it's interesting about my herd. I don't think what is it 2025? Yes, early as 2025. Okay. Did it say is there like it's probably the prices are going to be? Does it say it's just they just call it dynamic pricing and day part offering. So it's going to it's going to adjust over time. Does anything else you're familiar with it? Does that that has dynamic pricing like that? It's just Uber's Uber. They mentioned, I mean, technically, all products meet, you know, you know, demand and supply. So it's all dynamic, but not where a company is applying it in such a, you know, like throughout the day type of, you know, it's interesting. I don't. So here's the thing. I don't think maybe I don't think it's going to slow down. Movie theater tickets. Oh, that's another that's an example. But movie theater tickets make sense because the space in the movie and the movie theater is it makes the same sense that the Wendy's things does. Now, the food doesn't run out. It just has to you're just waiting more. But the food, you still have to pay employees the same. I think what I don't think you think that they well, I guess the movie seats would potentially sell. I think what's going to happen is I don't think that Wendy's is going to lose sales during high traffic times. I think it's just going to make their low traffic times. Yeah, I think that's the more customers. I think that's the play. I think that's exactly what the. Well, it's I guess it's not that crazy different than when McDonald's rolled the the Wednesday and Sunday cheeseburgers. They use they look their lowest traffic days and they ran a sale. They ran those or happy hour at bars. They do that. Yeah, yeah. So they ran they ran the 29 cent cheeseburger hamburger. It's not as revolutionary. Yeah, it's just I've never heard anybody like deliberately. It's a it's a different it's different, though, because you can like at least then I was I mean, you had to have the cheeseburgers or hamburgers, right? If you were going specific food, we have a specific where this will have you probably the flexibility of whatever wonder if people take advantage of it and then make them, you know, reverse. Of course, I mean, how do you take advantage of it, though? You go and buy 15, you know, and then what? Hold on to it for four hours and then sell it. No, that's what you would have to be at the door is cold. You'd be at the door. I figured the margin. Hey, you want to Winnie's burger? You can say 25 cents by five. That's an Adam's trench coat of burger. Take literally burger flipping to a whole other level, right? Yeah, nice. Hey, I know, you know, earlier, we were talking about food allergies and autoimmune issues. And, you know, I should have gone right into our partner seed because probiotics or beneficial bacteria have been shown to be helpful in both cases, but more generally with inflammation, probiotic use is immunomodulate. It modulates your immune system, meaning it helps balance out your immune system and autoimmune issues means you have an immune system that's not balanced. It also has anti-inflammatory properties. So probiotics are, it's turning out that what the data is showing, at least with a good probiotic, right? Like a good company that's got, you know, good delivery and all that stuff, it's turning out that probiotics will probably be a supplement that is more necessary than not. Yeah, that people should probably. And I was just saying, we're all finding that out. I feel like it's getting more, way more common like that. I remember when you really wanted to work with seed and I thought, really, do you think there's that many people they're going to be? And I was actually blown away. I mean, still it's been a, they've been a long time sponsor of the show and it does really well. So have you actually got the children's one yet from seed? No. Oh, we have that. Yeah, we have it. We've had it for a long time. Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised you didn't. I thought for sure you'd be all over that. I don't know that we had that. Yeah, yeah, they have it. They give it to Max. They have a children's product. So they have a, look it up Doug on the thing, pull it up for him. So you can see, I mean, I don't know what the, maybe you can tell me what the difference is. Lower dose. You think it's the same thing? It's the same strains. Same thing. I guarantee you. Just a lower dose. Yeah, it'll be a much lower. You wouldn't think they add anything else in there for children? No, unless, I mean, I'm sure it's a chewable. Is it a chewable? It's powder. It's powder. Yeah, it's Katrina gives it. It's not going to be a pill. Yeah, no, it's not. It's not a pill. It's a, I think it's a powder. But it would be the same bacteria. It's a little powder sticks. Yeah, it's powdered. Yeah. And it's the same strains, I'm assuming. It's just a lower concentration. You're not going to give your kid the, you know, the same strength. Cool though, right? Yeah. Done. Right. And you can put it in yoga or something. Yeah, I'm going to get that. I think Katrina mixes it into his yogurt. I think is what we do. Wow. Hey, a little, little left turn here. I read something pretty funny about a prank that a U.S. athlete played on the Russian athletes and during the era of like the Soviets versus Americans or whatever. Oh yeah. Okay, so nine time Olympic champion, Mark Spitz. So he was one of the fastest swimmers of all time. Okay, American. He told the Russian swim team coach in 1972 that the reason why he was so fast is because he had a mustache. So the very, the very next year, every Russian swimmer had a mustache. Is that true? Yeah. Is that true story? That's ridiculous. Isn't that great? That is great. Hey guys, this is why I'm so fast, you know? It's a secret. I love it. Hey, you know what else is funny? You know what I like about, one of my favorite things about X, right? Formally known as Twitter are their community notes because their community notes are hilarious. So this guy, there's this page on there called Eclipse Trades. So it's this dude that's like, this is how you make money. This is whatever, right? Yeah, okay. He posts this picture of this like gorgeous house with Lamborghini in front of it. Yeah. And the post says, three years ago, I got kicked out of high school. Today, at 19 years old, I just closed on my $2.3 million. Oh, I saw that. The guy, guy, guy. And he goes, take risks in life. And then they did. Somebody outed him. It's underneath it was community notes. Yeah. And it said this house was not purchased by so-and-so. It currently is for rent. He's engaging in a form of advertising fraud to present himself as more successful than he actually is. So you know, so. That's what it says, dude. So I was talking to our friend, Chris Nagibi. I love it. I was talking to our friend, Chris Nagibi about this. And it's like, it's so he actually, he did this, he posted like a statistic on like, actually how many billionaires there are, like in the United States. And then how many millionaires there actually are by percentage, then also what ages they range in. And it's like, it's not even mathematically possible that there's this many 30 year old multi-millionaires. But yet on Instagram, you would think there's fucking tens of thousands of them. Smoking mirrors. Because they all, they all do this hustle. Which they. Or they all rent a car. They rent these cars. They rent these big houses. They. Dude, there's that place down in LA where you can literally in at the airport, you can just walk up in a private jet, take your pictures, do all that. They rent it out just so you just take pictures like you're eating for social media. That's it. Here's the thing too, like an obvious red flag. Something about that makes me so mad. Here's an obvious red flag. So cringe. If you're making millions, especially if you claim to make tens of millions of dollars doing whatever craftier you would never waste your time selling $100, $500, $1,000 courses. Yeah. It would be a waste of your time. Mathematically. Right. It'd be a waste of your time to get on Zoom calls and talk to a bunch of young people. Talk to 20 people who spent 500 bucks. That's right. It would not be worth your time to do that. So right away, that should be your red flag that this person who has all these Lamborghinis and homes that are worth tens of millions of dollars is spending time for their $500 course they're selling you. Like that should make you go, hmm, that doesn't make sense. Why is he just talking to CEOs and staying in that? Or just keep, or do more of what you're doing because if you're already, if you're making $10 million a year, you have to do the math. Do the hourly math. Do the hourly math on that. You're worth thousands and thousands of dollars by the hour. And so anything that is less than that is not worth your time. You should just do more of your craft. Either in a line or you're the worst business man but that's all these guys online. That's what they do is they make all these radical claims that they own. You know, who's the other one? What's this guy's name? Oh, Chris Cron. I just found him. It's funny to watch because it's almost like a parody. And he's talking about how millions of dollars he's worth. He's got hundreds of company zones. I was like, buy my coaching course for $500. This is like, well, you're worth all that money. What the fuck are you doing that for? You have no reason to do that. Go flip another 10 houses or flip another five companies and you won't have to coach one person. It makes no sense. It reminds me of like old, like old martial arts books before MMA. MMA cleaned out a lot of this crap but old martial arts like masters discover the fighting secrets that nobody wants you to know. And it's like so-and-so Sifu who, you know, kills 15, you know, whatever. It's the five finger death palm. Yeah. I remember I was a kid, I used to buy these things. Like, oh my God, this is like ancient fighting techniques nobody wants to know. And then UFC came out and I was like, oh crap. They all get their ass kicked. It's the oldest hustle of time. And I don't ever see it going away because there's a much larger portion of people that don't want to do the work. People want to get rich, but they want to do it fast. And they're willing to take out a loan to pay for the shortcuts. Somehow there's a secret. Yeah, because they think that there's going to be some sort of hack or shortcut to get there and they're convinced by this person that they have that. And again, if you're listening, the formula is they're literally just going to live, this person claims to be making all this money. Whatever the number is that they claim to be making, all you have to do is divide the math and how many hours they're working hours are in a day and what that would mean based on what they say that their time is worth. And then scratch your head when they tell you that they have a course. No, they, you know why Adam, they're doing it because they want to share. Yeah, that's what they pitch people. But it's not, they're giving back now. That's not the same. Those people don't do that. If they do that, they just do a nonprofit and they give it for free. They really cared about you and they were making that much money. Then I would just host big free things. It's like, if I'm that wealthy, if I'm making tens of millions of dollars and I care about giving back to the community, then I would dedicate time to give back to the community for nothing because that money is so minimal to what I make that it would- No, that doesn't make sense. That's a great way to figure it out. Yes, seriously. Go shout out. Chris Cron, go take him out. Oh yeah. No, don't do that. Okay. Yeah, I said- Stop following me. No, I'm being a dick. I'm being a dick. Did I already shout out the ballerbusters on here? Yeah. Did I shout them out, Andrew, officially? Or did I? I don't think I did have- I've talked to you guys about it. I don't think you've officially shouted them out. Let me double check. Look up. If I haven't shouted them out, take a look at ballerbusters. It's perfect for this conversation we're having right now. Like this is what they built. Yeah, two, two, three, eight. Give them some more love then. Give them some more love. They need more love. I mean, I just love pages like this that are dedicated to calling out all these scammers and stuff. So it's a- It's a ballerbusters. Yeah, ballerbusters on Instagram. Go check them out. If you're looking to get your hormone levels tested, thinking about possible hormone therapy or testosterone replacement therapy, or you're interested in peptide science and what they could do for you, your health, your athletic performance, your appearance, your sleep, your sex drive and more, go to mphormones.com. The doctors there will assess you and give you the right recommendations and prescriptions to help optimize your life. Again, it's mphormones.com. All right, back to the show. Our first question is from Mindful. What are some tips to keep joints functionally healthy and pain-free when you're 40 plus? You know, there's this myth around joint pain that as you get older, your joints deteriorate, okay? And that's what causes joint pain. The truth is, if you move your joints in optimal ways, if you move them the way that they're supposed to appropriately and you strengthen the body, strengthen the muscles that support the joints, joints actually stay healthier over longer periods of time. Like somebody who works out and does it right and doesn't beat themselves up or have muscle imbalances or train whatever, they train appropriately and they're in their 70s. They will have better, healthier joints than people who don't do that who are in their 70s. It's balanced. I mean, if you get too strong in one direction, a lot of times this, you know, the, and you don't put the work in in terms of stabilizing that and being able to control that. This is where you see, like that discrepancy itself, this is where you start to see a lot of the joint pain start to arise because, and this is what people don't consider because they think that they're getting strong and they are getting a lot stronger, but they're not building up their support system alongside it. Ben Gay and Icy Hot, you're welcome. Yeah. You mix them together? Oh my God. Hey, don't wash your hands. That was, that was the, that was like the formula of, you know, 25, 25 years ago, you say? I mean, don't you remember when you first were a trainer just 20 years ago? Like the locker room? Bro, mix those. The locker room after playing basketball with all the older guys at nine o'clock in the morning. Yeah. It just, bro. Bro, mix those. Mix those with tiger balm. You make yourself. You won't feel nothing. It's crazy that there's still a massive market for that. I mean, that's kind of what people think is. Well, look, here, look, if you move, here's the keys are here are the keys. Strength train properly and appropriately with full ranges of motion, training different planes of motion and work on or maintain mobility. So that means you're not just strength training, but mobility movements. If you do those things and you do it appropriately, you're going to have amazing joints. I'm going to skip to the last one as to my most priority. I think people that get into the 40 plus, they've just, they've neglected to move in all these different planes and a mobility practice. Basically all of that. We'll solve that. So a great program, our maps performance program, every other, the off days are the mobility days. And instead of approaching the workouts as the priority, the foundational days, approach the mobility days as your like primary, like that's the thing you focus on. I mean, this was for me at, and I was 38. When was that? It was around 38 or so. I went on that like year long, year and a half, two year kick of just, that was the way I train. Everything was focused around mobility. And it's not like I lost a bunch of muscle from that. Like you, you're going to end and you end up feeling so much better, but you just got to prioritize it. It began instead of prioritizing the squat bench, deadlift stuff that we always talk about are so important. It's like, put your energy and focus in mobility training first. And then that becomes the secondary thing of making sure you do this. And I'm not saying disregard those movements. Right. Cause it's important to understand that appropriate and proper strength training makes your joints healthier and less, you'll have less pain. You'll have less problems. You'll be less likely to develop cartilage issues. The problem with that statement is that I say appropriate and proper. Exactly. Because that's such a wide range. And most people think what they're doing is appropriate and appropriate and proper. Appropriate meaning you're using, you're using a weight that you can manage with good technique and good form. You're working out or trying to work out in full ranges of motion. And you're training in different planes of motion. So what are different planes? Different planes are like front to back, side to side and rotate. So think of it that way, right? So if all your exercises are front to back, like I'm squatting, I'm benching, I'm deadlifting. Well, I'm not strengthening things laterally side to side. I'm not rotating with anything. So eventually I'll start to develop problems because like Justin said, you start to get this imbalance between the strength you can do in one direction and the strength you can move in the other direction. And then that causes problems. And that's the thing too. And I love mobility, you know, obviously this has been like a big contribution that I brought initially when we started the podcast. But it's like, you don't need to always like be stuck to mobility in conjunction. Like you need to weave in these movements into your training. And so if you actually did lateral lunges, if you actually did rotational movements that are loaded, you worked your way up to that where it's a strength move, you know, it's gonna cover the bases. It's just about expressing all the potential that your joints have in terms of movement and being able to strengthen it. So the reason why I love the idea of going all in on the mobility thing and making the strength training and traditional stuff as an afterthought into this is because once you do that and you start to see the benefits and you feel the benefits of doing that, you then adopt that philosophy. And then when you put enough time in, I actually rarely ever have to do mobility anymore. Now I just incorporate the exercise. So you're talking about somebody who's already experiencing it. Yeah, yeah, that's this person. Yeah, most people haven't. That's this person. They're 47 years old. They're, oh man, I'm my hips, my knees, my all these shoulders. I just like, I get a little bit of rhythm. Well, that's different. If you already have pain, then yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking to the 35 year old who's like just, I'm trying to be proactive because let's be honest, that person's not asking this question. It's the person who feels like every time they get in a little bit of a rhythm, the knees start talking to them, the hips start talking to them, the shoulders start talking to them. And they just keep getting in this cycle of, and they either one, they either do crutches by putting wraps and straps and belts and wrapping up or shortening range up. And it's like, you know what you need to do is you need to just let go of that training for a little bit, completely adopt this philosophy of becoming the mobility guy and get into flow and that type of stuff and see how good you feel from that and how little muscle you lose from going to become that guy or girl. And then after you've put enough work in and you see the difference, then you integrate exercises that address all that. You start to do things like the windmill now or the Turkish kid up. You're building base of strength for your end ranges. Yes. I didn't have. I don't have to. You don't have that strength yet. It's crazy the amount of I had to do to get where I'm at now and how little I do of it now. And now I have a deep full range of motion squat that I can sit, astagrass. I can sit down astagrass comfortably with weight on my back for as long as I want. I don't ever get uncomfortable in there to where, and you're talking about a guy who couldn't break 90 at one point in his lifting career. But, and now all I have to do is squat once a week, astagrass like that. And it takes care of all that ankle and hip mobility issues that I used to have and low back issues that it completely addresses that. Getting there is hard maintaining as much. Same thing goes for like overhead presence. There was a time when I was the meathead guy whose shoulder pressed 90 degrees. Everything was in front of him and I couldn't bring my arms up straight above it. And then I got to the point where Z-pressing changed my life. And now as long as I Z-press and do complete standing overhead presses, I don't have to do all these crazy shoulder mobility moves because it keeps my shoulders hypermobile. So once you have lost a lot of this mobility and you're suffering from this joint pains, one of the best things in my opinion is to kind of adopt this mobility philosophy. And a good way to do that would be to prioritize like the mobility days in our performance program and maybe only do one or two foundational days. But to prevent, to prevent, right? If they're saying I want to keep my joints functionally healthy, like move in different planes and you'll probably never get to that point. Next question is from Kato Graham. Do I need to drop my protein goals when I'm cutting? I'm five-one, so my calorie budget is pretty small. When you're cutting it is even more important to hit high protein targets. So high protein is important for any goal, muscle building or burning body fat, but it's even more important for burning body fat because it's crucial for preventing muscle loss. And also it produces satiety, so it helps your appetite, which is always a challenge when people are trying to cut. So if you have a small calorie budget, there's two things I would say. Number one, reverse diet, so you don't have such a small calorie budget. Even though you're five-one, if your cut is 1200 calories, you probably need to reverse diet a little bit and get yourself so that you can burn more calories so you can cut from a higher place. Number two, if that's not you and you're still like, okay, well, what do I do with my macros? As long as you eat essential fat, I mean, you're good. So obviously if you're not getting essential fats and your proteins are too high and now you can't get enough fats because otherwise you'll be over calorie, that's an issue. And again, in which case, I would say reverse diet. You shouldn't be in a place where you hit one gram of protein per pound of body weight and then you have no room left for essential fats in your diet or any carbs in your diet, so. I don't think I've ever had a client where I asked them to reduce protein to cut calories, ever. Ever, ever, ever, ever. The only time I've ever told a client to reduce protein is digestive issues because sometimes clients have a hard time with high protein diets and it's something to do with their digestion. And then so we lower our protein intake. Other than that, I have many times increased protein intake in a calorie deficit to the point that you were making and what's the most important piece of this question that we don't have is where is this person's calories? Because you're telling us your calorie budget is small, how small is it? If it's under 1,500 calories, then you have to do what Sal's saying. Where you're at is not sustainable. It is not sustainable to cut down to 1,200 calories even to reach this temporary goal because it's eventually gonna come back and it's gonna come roaring back and it can be hard to keep that off. So if you're under 1,500 calories or that's below that is where your cut is gonna be, you need to. You gotta reverse that. You gotta go the other way. Focus on building muscle, building strength and adding calories to the diet. And honestly, do that in such a small amount that you should probably lean out. If you just do a small increase in calories, focus on building muscle and getting stronger. You should get leaner as a result. Yeah, and the other thing too is when you're in a calorie surplus, those extra calories are protein sparing. Meaning you don't need, like high protein is not as important in a bulk. It's important, but it's not as important a bulk. But when you're in a cut, do not eat low protein in a cut. You are asking your body to get rid of muscle if you do that. Next question is from Adrian. Can running strengthen the ankles if they're weak? You know, here's, okay, technically, yes, but here's why in the real world, no. Because running is a skill, it's not something that people practice and get good at. They just go out and run. It's explosive. Yeah, it's dynamic, it's explosive. If you have weak ankles, and then you just go start to run, your running patterns are gonna be based off of the weakness that you have. And so what's gonna happen is you're gonna end up strengthening the weakness. In other words, you're gonna be strengthening muscle recruitment patterns that help suboptimally. They move around or they compensate for weak ankles. If you have weak ankles and you start running, here's what'll happen to you. Either A, you'll get ankle pain, or most likely back pain and knee pain. This is very common where people start running and like, why do my knees hurt so much? Why do my knees hurt so much? And they try to get different shoes and more cushion in their feet and whatever. But no, if you have weak ankles, you wanna do controlled strengthening exercises to strengthen your ankles and then slowly progress yourself to the point where then you can run while maintaining good technique and form with the stronger ankles. But don't just jump into running. It's probably good. Not only that, but you're also strengthening the ankles in the same plane. And most common injuries when it comes to weak ankles is like rolling the ankle and stuff like that. And so you're getting maybe a little bit stronger ankles from running in the sagittal plane all the time, but now that creates an even greater imbalance between that and your ability to move laterally. And so you're more susceptible to rolling an ankle, doing something left or right or rotating. So, you know, doing some running, which is not even, and it's not even taking the ankle through full range of motion either. So now you're doing a repetitive movement, you're strengthening it in a shortened range of motion in the same plane. You're not- Exposively. Yeah, explosively. You're not doing your ankles any favor by going out and running. Like if you're, if you've been told you have weak ankles, then you should strengthen them in their fullest range of motion and dynamically. They're controlled. And if they're weak, you gotta start. Start strengthening the feet, start strengthening it. I mean, really gradually. I do like, you know, after you go through the process of stabilizing and, you know, adding mobility and like ways to strengthen, you know, the potential from all different planes. I have seen some interesting progression in terms of like, we were talking about those platforms that have a little bit of an angle to them and just doing common squats or things with your ankles challenged on a little bit of a degree. So, you know, kind of gradually increasing the range with that. You know, that would make sense to me as a trainer, but that's again, you know, that's a little bit further along, you know, the process, but that would, the first step is to just really strengthen the feet and work on good walking patterns. I did a video for this a long time ago. I don't know. Maybe Andrew can find it. I don't remember what it was. I think it was titled weak ankles, maybe. It was, you put a quarter, you go barefoot and you put a quarter under the soft pad where the big toe is at and you're trying to drive. And what's really common when people elevate their heels is their heels will kick out or collapse because their ankles are unstable and weak. And so the exercise is being able to drive through the quarter, keep your ankles in a neutral position, and then the progression to that is to go into a body weight squat. From there. From there. And that's a great, you know, ankle strength. If you have weak ankles, your risk of injury is much higher in your ankles. And so then you're gonna go run. Like, terrible idea. It is not gonna strengthen your ankles. I know the whole like, what doesn't kill me makes me stronger type of deal, but this is the one thing that'll kill you, so. Next question is from Iwalina Lika. What is the best way to fire your CNS prior to a workout? For example, with doing dump these squats or ISO holds using a suspension trainer, be okay to do. All right, so the central nervous system is the command center that tells the muscles to fire. And the central nervous system is very, very responsible for the amount of force and strength you can generate. Just like your muscles are responsible, the size of your muscles and the capacity of your muscles. The central nervous system is also, if not more, responsible for force production and strength. It literally is what tells the muscles to contract and move together. And it's the reason why when you do a new exercise, you feel shaky. It's not the muscles, it's the central nervous system. So the question is, how do I get my central nervous system ready so that I can have the best workout? Well, isometrics is a great way to do that. Isometrics is one of the best ways to get your CNS to really ramp up so that when you go do an exercise, you activate the most muscle fibers and you get the best results. Another way to do it is to do explosive exercises before you lift. Box jumps before a squat or jumping push-ups before a bench press or explosive band rows before barbell rows or something like that. That'll also get things to fire up. But yeah, you wanna turn things on and it's not to fatigue, by the way. So if you're doing these isometrics, it's not part of the workout. It's literally just turn things on, then you get on the workout and you just get better results. So that was a long-winded answer to yes. Yes, yes. The answer is yes. Duffy squat is actually great for squatting and just because of that fact alone that Sal's describing, it's just you're able to get in position to really contract and tense up the muscles to respond. And it's all about the recruitment process. So really nothing, I mean, yes, you can go explosively, but in terms of like safety and like if we measure risk versus reward, you know, I'd probably lean a little bit more on the isometric side, but yeah, for athletes, if you do like days where you're PR-ing or something, that's where they do that post-activation. Potentiation. And you can do that and it does, it gets that real fast twitch response which gets your capacity increase of the recruitment process. Yeah, I mean, the Duffy Squats, I think is incredible. I think suspension trainer is a good idea for some movements too. I can see doing a hold in like a really deep chest press, right? So going to a really deep chest press hold or getting in like the W or I position with the suspension trainer. Shoulders, yeah. Yeah, and activating that and holding that in an isometric position to warm up your shoulders and get ready for a bench press or shoulder press stuff. Like, yeah, no, I could suspension trainer and Duffy Squats, I think. You guys ever see like a how a fighter, MMA fighters do this often as they're walking to the cage, they'll do a couple of jumps. You ever see that? Yeah. Right before they get into the jump? Yeah. And it's a natural, I don't even know if they're coached to do that. So what's a Conor McGregor's thing? What's this doing? I think that's just him being a, yeah. He's being loose. He's the, I love it though. I think that's like a calming thing. Yeah. Well, I don't know, but I know the jumping, I know the jumping is them, they're firing up the CNS. Like you do a couple of jumps right before you do something and it turns things on and I think that's what they're naturally doing. Look, if you're a hard gainer, we have a hard gainer guide. If it's hard for you to build muscle, if it's hard for you to pack on mass and strength, get our free hard gainer guide. It's at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump to Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam.