 Okay. Good morning everyone. Thank you for joining me today and I have David Hofmeister here with me. Very exciting. Yes. Oh hi, Mexico. We have a room for friends in Mexico there. Yeah, I mean last Friday morning I did my last show and at the time I had no clue what was going to happen in the afternoon but it turned out that in the afternoon I was called to go to Las Vegas to be part of the conference that was happening at the time and I just got really sucked into that vibe of very joyful encounters and a lot of healing and also a lot of just shining the light and I just see you David they're just like such a beam of light really shining I think I don't think I actually talked to you much over throughout the whole weekend you were just surrounded by people who were just so eager you know to jump into this vibe of healing yeah and I feel the vibe really continued after we got back because I feel like wow what is time and space today is Friday so and I remember I talked with you a little bit the other night about this a life of a mystic you know there there is this kind of almost assumption that a life of a mystic implies something that is very still and very silent in form and yet looking at our lives it's just so much seemingly doing things and extending and allow our bodies to be used by the Holy Spirit whenever we are called and yes we are called you know it just seems like it never never stopped yeah yeah I do feel there's a there's an action component you know that can be guided by the spirit in the miracle and the miracle itself is just a state of mind that's what forgiveness is but but very much you can the puppet you could say the puppet of the body can be guided and used in many many ways and our days are pretty full on a morning tonight and have been for many years and people can have stereotypes of the life of a mystic just sitting around and doing lots of meditation lighting candles and incense and so forth and there have been those times in those periods we don't deny that but actually yes it's very much of a of a communication function while there seems to be the belief in in persons and bodies and interpersonal interactions and all those symbols get used by the Holy Spirit and feels like it's such a collaborative effort the spirit never wants this body to to just focus on itself and the mind to focus on the individual self even the individual awakening you know like what how to benefit me how to benefit me it's never gonna get anywhere and whoa I found out on this path is like it's very inevitable that we just get called to collaborate and extend out and to receive and accept all kinds of collaborations that's been arranged by the spirit like we have James Toyman coming this afternoon to visit our community and there will be some collaboration with James and many more right we yeah like today could result in him coming in mid-afternoon sometime settling in and then maybe doing a concert with Emily and and Jason and then and then perhaps going out to see he's he's not been to see our community here in Utah or Metaphysical Center or monastery masterpiece a bit of that he had an idea too of doing a cruise down along the coast of the Atlantic Ocean starting I mean LA or someplace in California and cruising down to Puerto Vallarta or something and calling it music movies and miracles so James of course uses his music so beautifully in a very deep meditative way and we use metaphysical movies and in teachings in that way so yeah it could kind of be a an interesting group to be out on the high seas with a captive audience just going through that but I feel it's it's a big theme the collaboration has always been really important with us and and I think when you have a global ministry which our ministry seems to touch people in many different continents some there's just a lot of aspects to it so there's a lot of collaborations that are going on and and maybe we could share a little bit of behind-the-scenes because just for us to go on a like a world tour later this year basically in October there's a lot of behind-the-scene things and I know you're here for a little stretch of time before going off to to Europe and so you've been getting your visa and trying to arrange your visa and my visa for China and then there's a lot of other logistics to go in but that just is like one example of how there's a lot of things to consider yes yes and I'll be stopping in in New York first and just just through the conference there are a lot of collaboration that it that is unfolding even just a short period of time I will be in New York even this morning John Monty sent me email to to arrange some time to talk a little bit more so there might be even future collaboration in China too because he really wants to visit China as well then you know we have emails about the possible gathering in Europe we're looking for a center there as well so it's just everything that's just unfolding you know every single day and when we really don't have the plan you know it's really miraculous because something comes in you know always at the right time without us interfering interfering with the plan so even we going to China we have a friend Jeffrey who really wants to come with us and film David on a world tour and eventually probably make a documentary about it and we have other friends who really put their hands up to want to come and support the trip to China and to Japan so everything is unfolding you know bit by bit yeah as we go on yeah day by day moment by moment and we just take in a lot of things and look at what I'm following and have to kind of feel things out but it does focus you back to staying very in the moment because there are certain things that need consideration we were talking about doing a good collaboration with Tiel Swan and her manager Blake coming up perhaps we're talking about doing a mystery school you know probably multiple times during the years and so that's the websites just coming along I think it's very close to coming out and then yeah there's this collaboration coming up in the Rocky Mountains in June with a group of teachers up there at Estes Park so it's it's quite full on and besides that we have our usual backdrop of all kinds of logistic administrative things board meetings you know people don't realize when you know you go along and you do nonprofits then there's all those things as well and then the people in the room know that cleaning maintenance tech support website work web mastering it's just a huge huge array of things but the whole point is to be done through by the spirit so that you just are tuned in and it's a sense of that involuntary flow which is where the joy is there's no stress in staying off the timeline and staying in the moment and being a channel and a vehicle for the Holy Spirit and it's only when you start to take things personally and think that you personally have to do something personally have to figure something out personally have to get something done that's the self-concept and the ego coming in and there's a lot of stress and I think you could say that the Spirit is calling our mind away from the ego so when Jesus says I'm calling you out of the world he really is meaning I'm calling your mind back to its pristine condition of stillness in which you were created perfect and still and the way to do that is to let the judgment of the Holy Spirit come through you rather than by you meaning instead the ego trying to navigate its way back to heaven which it has no clue about then we have to let the Spirit give us what to say what to do every day so it's like in one sense you become not just a scribe for Christ but you become a channel for Christ and then you start to merge with the Christ so you experience yourself as the Christ and then that's the whole point of everything know thyself know who you truly are so that's kind of the backdrop for how things are going but it involves a lot of specifics yeah that's something that the ego mind would have never guessed you know or have chosen chosen for itself to go toward awakening it has a very rosy or romantic idea of the end what what awakening means to itself and even the means how to achieve it but yet you know the way that we have to go about it is allow ourselves just to to surrender moment to moment and really accept everything that is given without judgment without pushing things away and without trying to make anything happen and just really allow this body to be used as a conduit and then the mind is started to expand in that way because it literally cannot really understand the egoic construct of what is the best you know what is the worst how to compare with people how to compare scenarios what is the goal that eventually we want to achieve it's just all got wiped out in the mind when we allow ourselves just to jump in to what is given in the moment yeah it's easy to the ego likes to slip into its false sense of comfort so it likes it likes routines and rituals and there's definitely routines and rituals initially can be used by the Holy Spirit even the workbook lessons of a course of miracles are a routine it's a it's a it's like a workout routine for your mind instead of for your body it's a workout routine for your mind and then he clearly states though that this isn't about making rituals of anything and as you go deeper with the lessons and even deeper with the workbook it goes more into things like our use for words is almost over now and we but start with the lesson of the day to kind of set our mind in the direction so you're taking a pathway that's very much toward ascension very much towards opening and opening your mind your heart coming to that stillness so I think in terms of rituals it's just easy for the ego to just kind of make things bland try to normalize things try to keep guilt and anxiety and fear and worry at bay by falling into a routine and most people know how that feels it's very lethargic you don't have a sense of vitality or energy and you just kind of get into the routine of things it's very tempting I would say when you really give yourself over fully to the Holy Spirit as the Bible says the teaching is for those who much is given much will be asked or much will be required none of us know how much that really is that when you actually give yourself over to Christ and you say here you got my mind full-time now that that you become like a full-time worker for atonement and awakening your days can be often filled with things although even though there's a wonderful full feeling and a flow it's it's not like you're fatigued at the end of the day or it's not like you can't wait to get to sleep and and so forth because you it's really you get excited about it you get passionate about it and you really kind of jump out of bed in the morning and you go at it and you you rest a very serene sleep at night when your mind is is truly being used and and occupied by the Spirit I have been hearing that sentence a lot in the last couple of days the more you give the more that is given the more will be asked it's like oh man you know how much is asked is the Spirit is asking all of us all of us not even a little bit that is left to be with the ego is the total the totality of our minds the totality of our time you know what is a what is the time for if our mind is using the time to distract you know from thinking with the Christ and about the Christ if our mind is used in that way to get distractions indulge in the attack thoughts join with people in false empathy those are not the way the Spirit want us to use our mind so they're like certain times he just calls us seemingly you know calls the body but it's really the mind give me all your mind all your energy all your thoughts you know all of it think with me throughout the day from from morning to evening yeah yeah there's always a spark and a vitality I know over the years we've seen different things we've had music festival enlightenment festival we've done quite a few retreats where people would come and be with us for a week or two weeks or even four weeks or six weeks but it seems like in the recent years the retreats have started to fade a little bit and then things like the travels have still been there there's still travels and conferences and occasionally collaborations in that way the online retreat that we did with the Portuguese translation seemed to be have a lot of synergy with it and there was a lot of joy and synergy with it so that's kind of beckoning this thing that there could be more online retreats because they're very easy to attend their cost effective they they're very impactful but they don't take as much time and effort to put together a lot of logistics like sleeping arrangements and food and and betting and all kinds of things transportation it's using the internet a little bit more so there's like a synergy that's involved with these online retreats because you still have that same transparency you have that same sense of opportunity to pour your heart out ask questions you know do expressions receive very profound answers and also we used a movie the island during that and the spirit came ripping through me it's a different points but it sounded a little bit like Jesus of old and I enjoy that I enjoy the depth of going really deep into mystical states of mind with everybody it's like a group of us kind of seemingly symbolically going in together and so that's also exciting and there's a possibility in terms of community I do feel you know it's truly a state of mind so what we're doing now even broadcasting this show is really like a digital sharing that's going on and it's like digital community and in one sense you still have to handle some of the logistics of caring and attending for a body on planet Earth but really not that much and if you notice the lives of the traditional mystics and saints they didn't put much care and attention to the body at all and yet their focus was more the stillness and ours is still mind and communicating the the steps and the way the pathway to come into this state of mind so there's a vibrancy with some things in our ministry and a few other things are starting to trail off a little bit yeah David's body is being so used by the spirit he did a dental surgery and I picked him up and his whole face was covered by aspen and it looked like a mummy like the whole face was covered and as soon as he got on the car he said to talk so I don't think you ever stop talking from that point either like the face is just looking normal and the mouth was still used very much so it doesn't matter the situation yeah I got back to my office and my whole head was wrapped like a mummy with an ice pack and everything but then I think it was Jenny wanted a scout call from over in Sweden so I put the little headset on I could I could still hear through the the gauze and everything but if after a little while I just I gotta take all this stuff off I gotta continue on so yeah the beat goes on and a friend of mine was asking me you know how did I go and I said well it's you know it's just like anything else I I get guided if something I have some dentist and surgeons that are really really good top notch in the world and so they just there I feel like I'm in the hands of the angels whenever anything has to be done even with the body because I continue right on rolling on doing what I'm doing and usually happens pretty quickly and swiftly they even said that the operation was boring or I think they were the doll he said it was very dull so it was almost matter of fact so that's that's an interesting reflection from your your doctors and dentists yeah it's just just really good because watching us I guess everybody myself and all the people here you know we not only just read the course or practice but we have someone that we really watched you know how the spirit actually use a symbol for his purpose you know and awakening is achieved when we are serving the Christ not serving the self even the awakening of the self so just watching that just you know every day you know even in that there are a lot of forgiveness of oh my god the ego would be thinking you never do this or you never do that you do look after the body or you completely don't it's always comes with extremes and just by watching and practicing every day we allow our mind to be in a very very soft place you know without judgment just like whatever comes in who am I to judge and our function is just to allow ourselves to be used allow this body like a cup to be used to be filled up and to be poured out you know consistently yeah I know it reminds me of the metaphor I feel like we're we're all used so so deeply and so thoroughly by the Holy Spirit it reminds me that time when they were they were looking for the largest organism on earth and what it came was the largest organism on earth was this group a grove of trees where all the root systems were connected and all these growth of trees was the largest organism on earth and we wouldn't even think of that when we think of an organism as a group of trees but but when we have a group of people seemingly are just symbols being used by the spirit you know it's like you know our community and our global community and our greater community not just living miracles but of course in miracles basically all kinds of evade of a Dante all kinds of awakening past if you think of all the ones that seem to be on a conscious awakening path is like a giant organism that every day more roots go out and there's more seeming expansion with it it's just really the use of all the symbols by the spirit yeah and also you know I do feel in a way that for myself to to be practically applying the teachings the first step is to be totally transparent and that's why you know the way that what everything we do we work we live we are transparent here we're transparent with with you and you even said to me the other night we need to be more transparent I thought how does it be more transparent and we're like everything we know you know and it was like there's nothing that is not not open you know yeah the way opens like for example I think Francis and I just got an email this morning from our friend Chris over in the Netherlands and he found this lovely little retreat place and it seems like everything clicked in just one thing after the next and it's actually in July was one of the dates July 11 to 15th and we've talked about maybe doing something here with Teal on the 17th and 18th and I was feeling more and more that it may be later on and maybe August and September but but we're open to all things and we've kind of been open to like a center happening we've had a center over in Europe before but something coming so for me it's it's very very spontaneous year and we see these wonderful invitations come in I think even you and Jenny were considering the possibility of something and then we were looking maybe at August or September and then he found something in July quite early but so that's where we're very transparent about these things because as things keep unfolding you know we just really have to feel and be strongly guided to go wherever we go and whatever we do because that's what it's all about it's it's not about trying to fit your life into a schedule in time and space it's more like bringing all the concepts of time and space to the Holy Spirit in your mind and saying show me every day paint paint me a picture paint me a picture of how this day should look paint every day I think that was a Barbara Varley song I'm willing for my life to be a picture painted by Holy Spirit painted by Holy Spirit it's a song that she channeled from the Holy Spirit and that's the way it goes so I think the transparency is important because we just keep going along and sharing ideas and inspirations and then the timing of those when they actually seem to come about is very much just orchestrated by the spirit it's very joyful like that way yeah like even thinking about the way that I went to the conference I feel like Jason and I talked about it way before because I know that Jason and Emily will get married in Vegas and I felt for me to be there but nothing was obvious to for me to be part of the conference I was not needed I'm more needed here so I just felt like I needed much much more obvious sign for me to go and I waited and waited and waited and about a week before the conference I just said I give up because there was no sign and Thursday drove David to the airport and the conference started I did my show on Friday morning it was just everything went on as if I'm not going there then suddenly Friday afternoon there was an emergency call our books didn't make it and we missed the cutoff to ship our books overnight then a friend suggested the best way to to deliver the books is to drive over now literally and I thought my god I don't know how many times Jason suggested me driving over and I said I'm waiting for a sign so when the sign came I had literally 20 minutes to leave so I packed everything I jumped in the car with such joy and like thank you spirit for the big sign there I go so I went there with Sarah and arrived in two o'clock in the morning and I actually attended pretty much most of the conference and supported where I need to support and I actually met a lot of dear friends there and even some collaborators for New York and for Japan so it just so was so purposeful and yeah I just if I look at it you know just everything happened exactly as it should I was so focused here even doing my show in the morning was just no thought and then the spirit came in with the perfect sign at the right time and with the right person Sarah so there we went and that was how the life unfold it was just you don't know before before that but choose peace you know choose peace and the form will will be exactly how it should be yeah yeah it's great to the Francis feeling the call to travel and teach so going over to Europe it's gonna be part of that even though it starts off perhaps with us a sign retreat in England but that is going to be in there and and that's another way that that all of you that tune in can help too because that's the way it's gone for me all these years is it's I've just been hosted by dear friends dear friends say come and stay at my house we've got an extra bedroom or a guest room or a couch we'd be glad to put the word out call some friends use an email list and whatever and it has to be your calling it was my calling to travel all those years and and speak and go in living rooms and basements and backyards and and you know all kinds of different venues churches course of miracles groups and so on and so forth and now with Francis really feeling the call to to go out we'll be doing some travels together they're coming in October that's more of around the world trip to China Japan and Australia but but those are the ways in which you can can help out and that's where our transparency helps just hearing Francis say yeah I'm willing to travel I want to teach there's a passion with it there's an excitement other times people feel go call to be part of the communities and there's a community can be kind of like an incubator where you work through some darkness and let a lot of unconscious stuff come up and you go through healings but ultimately the whole point of clearing the darkness is so that you can be an instrument so the fruits of the spirit can pour through you and then there's nothing more fun than getting invitations and having support people saying come here you'd like to join in support it's a big collaborative effort it's always been a big collaborative effort and we don't we don't really kind of do things in the typical ways of the world where somebody writes a book and then the book becomes popular and then they go on popular talk shows or radio shows and then the the commercial success of the book drives the workshops drives the travels it drives the appearances on others TV shows that's pretty much how the world works and everything we do I remember even with the course of miracles of the beginning years they said that that the course of miracles was not really meant to be advertised it would it would make its own way around the world through word of mouth so that's giving you a very different idea than the standard commercial success of course the miracles you know has has sold a lot of copies and there's a lot of digital copies now on the internet but it's something that's a it's a very deep intimate practice and I would say even the the extending of it is more just to be guided by the Holy Spirit and it's not meant to be some kind of a a big thing in form it's more just simple everyday ordinary miracles pouring from your mind from the Holy Spirit through you through your mind and and then we can collaborate we can communicate in a very full way and that just even makes it more of a of a joyful shared experience so it works works quite well but it's good to know to know everything that's happening so you're just aware of it all yeah what I noticed in my experience is that you know you said in the conference that to those who are devoted those who are devoted deserve devotion entitled title to devotion and what I noticed is that you know when I give my full attention to support or to serve the Christ to do whatever the Christ want me to do then the support comes this way and that's what it's just how it is and there's never a demand or there is never a request for any support we just know that is how things are working you know we just have one direction to go and then all the support the Spirit is orchestrating all the support to to support us to go that way even with this conference as I see Dan there hi Dan thank you for your support conference you just jumped in and worked with Laverne at the bookstore really didn't didn't do much else you didn't go to lunch or dinners and just be there in support and we have even people coming all the way from from Japan and a friend just when she landed she went straight to the bookstore can I volunteer throughout this weekend and that just is is the call of the Spirit you know that's just all go toward one direction it's not supporting a body or a person because anyone is special but we devote our mind to support you know the calling for the Christ so that is really amazing yeah it's quite an amazing passage that Francis was just talking about in the text where Jesus is saying it's if you are devoted you are entitled to devotion and that's more of a reflection of all that I give is given to myself and giving or receiving is the same that if you have a heart of devotion a heart of devotion and service to God then then that will be reflected you'll just draw forth lots of symbols of of the devotion and and that's quite a contrast with the ego which is very body centered and self centered you might say that that in working with students over the years I think one of the biggest blocks that students had in working with me and opening their minds and hearts up was this sense of entitlement where it was a personal entitlement I'm entitled to this I'm entitled to that I think it was a Muji talk a while back where he said you have no rights and basically he was talking about you have no personal rights we think of the United States Constitution and you know you know we hold these inalienable rights to be self-evident that human beings the whole construct of being a human seems to be that you are entitled to certain personal rights and when we talk about entitled to devotion we're not talking about personal rights at all we're not talking about personal entitlements that's one of the biggest blocks to spiritual awakening is thinking that that you personally know anything deserve anything are entitled to anything those are all huge pride blocks and then when you realize what does Jesus say about entitlement he says here's a workbook lesson I am entitled to miracles that's all that you're entitled to his miracles that's all that you you can claim in your entitlement is as a child of God is it being a miracle worker and you're entitled to miracles but those are those are to give them away he says you have a storehouse in your mind that you can give give away so it's very very different from this idea of thinking that I'm a human being and I'm entitled to certain rights and you know even in the United States Constitution I guess it's that that you're entitled as an American citizen to the pursuit of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness then we learn from the course that there is no biological life that all all life as we've thought of it on planet Earth is a projection so we're not entitled to any of that even you're not even entitled to a physical life liberty which is freedom is only of the mind and Jesus says in the course what do you want freedom of the body or freedom of the mind for both you cannot have so again he's saying you'll never achieve liberty through a through the government through a constitution through any kind of laws you'll never achieve liberty through any types of political mechanisms or whatever you know to me that's it's so fun to just listen to all the talk that goes on and when I look at this thing of liberty when I grew up there was a big deal between the free countries and the countries that weren't free the free countries were the ones that had whatever democracy and capitalism and the imprisoned countries are the ones that have had dictators or were communists socialists and and they had some form of that what a joke to think when you start to realize that there's no freedom in form and that there isn't even certain forms of government that are more free than others that's why I will listen to a speech over here from a political candidate or whatever and they just I was just reading this morning that Vladimir Putin and Russia had his he has like this show where he goes on and he he answers questions for everyday people is like a like an interactive thing and he received over a million questions so I was having just a good laugh this morning watching how Vladimir Putin answered all these questions that were coming in and I mean they got a whole range of things like should I eat my porridge little children should I eat my porridge and he said yes I always eat my porridge you should eat yours too and and it was just so humorous as he was answering all these questions but but I keep coming back to this it's so profound to realize that that we're we're not really entitled to biological life we're not entitled to liberty of the body and the ego doesn't mind if you keep pursuing happiness as long as you keep your pursuit of happiness focused on externals if I get more money if I get more pleasure if I accumulate more things if I have more status you know the ego likes the pursuit of happiness the ego loves that it's one of its favorite games it's a death game but still it's disguised as the pursuit of happiness in this world and so the very things that are guaranteed by the United States Constitution you see are really not guaranteed at all and I would say the same with the British Parliament or any any government any kind of Constitution that any country has those things are really not going to get you to a state of complete bliss and contentment those things have to be examined very closely and seem to be false like everything else in the projected world so they said when I was in China that that I would have no problem with the government because my teachings weren't political and it's true I am teaching that it's a state of mind and that you just have to let go and exchange this these ego beliefs and ego thoughts for the thought system of the Holy Spirit and the spirits perception of the world and and that's an exchange you can make but it's very different from thinking you can make a real change in a in a make-believe world well maybe we can just just talking about mind and it's over the mind actually Jeremy from South Africa hi Jeremy has a question here so I thought yeah he was asking that I have a dear friend who keeps on telling me to stop thinking to get out of my mind and experience the course tells me that all there is is my mind and spends a lot of pages keeping me thinking about my thinking I sense the answer is in the area of who is doing the thinking my ego or spirit but if is there the possibility of direct thoughtless experience much love and thanks yeah yeah Jeremy I think a lot of it is just semantics because we have a lot of really wonderful spiritual teachers around the world but they're all using different semantics so you have you know people like accurate and audience shanti Muji different ones that that equate the mind with the ego and therefore get out of your mind is basically saying get out of your ego that's that's from those perspectives using the semantics that way from of course the miracles perspective Jesus is saying you God there's a mind of God there's a mind of Christ you are a divine mind mind is all that there is you know he says mind reaches to itself it does not go out within itself is everything you within it and it within you so it's a Jesus is just using a very different semantics to talk about the same thing that that accurate and audience shanti and Muji are talking about and many others so when people say do you get out of your mind and and get into experience there may be a little hint or a reflection of something to pay attention to because one of the biggest traps that that the ego has is it it will take an amazing spectacular teaching like a course in miracles and the ego is so frightened of the love that of Christ that it will try to turn the course into just an intellectual endeavor it will take something that's designed as a ladder to take you all the way back to enlightenment and to the light of God and it will try to turn it into a conceptual program and then that's another sneaky trick because then people can just roll around in the concepts for many many years almost like rolling in the hay just rolling in the concepts and so when somebody says to you you know get out of your mind to get into the experience you can say that there's a call behind that to come come into an actual experience where you have to trust and let go of of the things that have served in the past of the ego's comfort zone and and kind of crack open into an experience I would say too from the course perspective that that just to believe that you're a human being on planet earth is part of the ego's attempt to to keep you mindless you know to have you forget the power of the mind the power of thoughts the power of beliefs if the really the mind is extremely powerful and if you have false beliefs and false thoughts in that powerful mind it projects a whole cosmos out so in in one sense some most of us grow up and our parents are not really focusing a lot of attention on the mind you know we don't come come home from school how's your mind you know how's your mind today or when we're going through a temper tantrum now watch your thoughts watch those attack thoughts you know because you're hurting yourself when you do that it's all if everything's based on you know eat your finish your green greens and finish your food or you don't get dessert and and all these behavioral consequences and we're we're treated very much like a body and we're treated we have to grow up and work hard and survive and do all these things but we're not really the soul and the the mind and the training that's required in the mind it doesn't get a lot of of attention at all so now once we we make it into our our spiritual journey in a conscious way we start to realize that we do have to be very attentive of what's going on in our minds and the mind is not the brain that's another thing that quantum a lot of scientists even quantum physicists because it's just a bad habit they still associate the brain with the mind and this gray matter inside the skull is is not the mind at all in fact the little neurotransmitters that are moving around in the brain Jesus equates those to equate those little neurotransmitters with thoughts in the mind is like taking a match and lighting a match and holding it up to the Sun that's what what those neurotransmitters are like a match compared to the Sun they're just their projections of the ego belief system and and the brain doesn't think it's just it's just a projection the body is just like a puppet that follows instructions of the mind and so any teacher any teacher of any time that tries to depreciate the power of the mind is not actually helpful for awakening because the mind is this is the source and and the causation of all the seeming power that God gave to Christ and therefore you can't depreciate the power of the mind and expect to wake up and I would say I just I always am aware of the semantics so when I have to kind of translate for other teachers back into course and miracles semantics so people can understand and not get too confused I think you had a question for me too maybe I think since the word is probably there I want to call over to talk to her all the burn up to the from the the Mexico crowd that they're getting ready there she comes yeah I know you you send me the question but I just want to see whether you still feel that way or you still want maybe you can you can explain it better in such a miraculous experience at the at the course in miracles conference and I didn't hardly go to any of the sessions you know but the collaboration in the bookstore and your meeting friends and just following the spirits guidance you know the whole weekend it was just was just a great experience of just being in that flow even though there was so much going on so much activity you know it was just like hardly a moment you know was was idle so to speak and I've been on Monday when I was was heading back it just and I was going to the airport it just seemed like everything was such a struggle and the smallest things like waiting in line at the registration desk at the hotel for an hour because there was a problem with my deal on the room and trying to get a stamp for an envelope I needed to mail before I left the country and I mean just these seemingly small things were just taking so much effort and I just was like then the thoughts coming in like maybe it's not guided for me to leave you know or why is it so hard when it was just so effortless you know those days that I was there at the conference so it's yeah it's just seeing and feeling a difference in in that energy and then wondering you know if it was given you know for me to return to Mexico and so that is where the the email was that I sent to you Francis just when I was sitting when I finally got to my seat in the airplane I'm like oh my god took everything I had just to get on the plane so that's the context of my question that I kind of still feel a bit of energy around that whether or not you know is when it's such a struggle is it given you know is that given when it's so hard yeah it's beautiful I think your question is a lot of beautiful nuances in it because there's a workbook lesson and of course in miracles it says I will step back and let him lead the way and I would say to the extent that we completely completely surrender over to the spirit then you know we get this an amazing experience Jesus talks about when you have learned to decide with God all decisions become as easy and as right as breathing and it will be as if you are carried down a quiet path in summer it's so soft I mean Jesus is so poetic he's like Jesus roomy a lot of the great poets have described this this flow it's so soft it's so gentle it's so easy it's so effortless even that passage that Lisa Natoli was quoting at the conference that I quote often about the promise you know once you have accepted his plan as the one function it and it goes on to say without your effort he will go before you making straight your path and leaving in your way no stones to trip on no obstacles to bar your way so in one sense it when you give your life over to spirit as you have done it's it's taken the form of you had some amazing travels and you enjoy traveling you've remember with Helena with Lisa you know and you're saying we get out of the road with Francis maybe you'll end up on that world tour with with Jeffrey and Francis and I or whatever you you enjoy that and and you also have enjoyed the symbol of spiritual community where it's the purposeful focused use of time where there's not a lot of wasted words where we don't really have registration desk and reception so when you come back you you can just somebody opens the gate and lets you in and and you know and you can kind of ease back into that that flow of very the single devoted purpose and so in one sense for for you you know you've appreciated that single flow of purpose and then when you go out on these road trips like to Las Vegas or out with with Helena now or wherever you go like that it's it's the spirit saying now let's transfer it I want you to get so in tune so aligned that you lose track of the passage of time that you could be there maybe at a registration desk where they've lost something or something wrong with the bill and you could be laughing and smiling and connecting and and not conscious of the movement of time or or with transportation a lot of times with travel there's you have to hit the mark so many times hit the mark to for your taxi or shuttle ride hit the mark for your airplane taking off and and so on and so forth so when you're on the road so to speak it's almost like like like your Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible or you're like Jason Bourne you know in the in the Bourne trilogy or you're like James Bond who's got to hit all these marks just right and in because there's the world is so complex there's so many options in the world and yet we we love it when our when we're seeing a reflection of somebody who's just hitting the mark and they do it with smile on their face you know Bond is going there bullets are flying and cars are smashing and all these things are happening and he still gets a smile on his face like he actually seems to be enjoying himself while all this danger and and adventures going on bond is still happy that's that's what the goal is for miracle workers is is to keep transferring the training and let the trust level climb higher and higher so so that you get really content you this feeling you're always at the right place at the right time that you know it's one of the most amazing transfers of training and so you going off to Las Vegas was was another step in that direction for me in the parable of David I kind of traveled around the United States and North America and that had its own opportunities for forgiveness plenty of them but then when I was sent to South America oh my gosh going into some of those countries I didn't speak the language it was like being thrown into the Amazon river during the rain season or something and I just had to let go of thinking I knew what was happening trying to control anything expecting anything to be a certain way I had to really do that so that's the context for this and and just by your willingness to follow the spirit and go on these trips and and be used as you are in a very focused way that's all part of the the grist for the mill so to speak that's the purification the the grinding down of the of the chunky particles the grains down into the powder you're just getting into that soft like if you reach your hand down into flour or powder you know it's grain is so soft and it's so silky smooth when you put your hand in the powder but if you put your hand into the grain you'll you feel the granules you know there's more resistance than there is with the powder and it's it's just all a progression that's happening yeah it is a lot of mine training in travels you know because in the community we have you know so many friends around us and a single move affects everything so we kind of always join and pray together and it makes things very obvious but when we go on the road it it's like okay this this reader to tune in with the spirit needs to be really developed and as soon as we you know hear it move we need to move pretty swiftly with that but on top of that also what is really held in the mind steadily is what is this for you know really doing this is so that we see through the forgiving eyes to everything we meet with people with this desire to give in every moment and when that purpose is held in the mind then the question of you know why this and why that doesn't really come up too much because then the focus is really like how do i give in this moment and how do i see it with your eyes and how do i you know tune in to to your voice so that becomes really fun actually to be on the road to to practice that yeah because i i remember when i was on the road with david at the beginning it was kind of like moving so fast it was unbelievable it was not a normal way to travel in this world at all because i was quite a traveler myself before and as soon as i traveled with david it was unbelievable the speed as soon as we hear something we go we don't question it or rationalize it and also every opportunity even on the road in the airport in the lines at the restaurant were completely used for extending holy encounters and just shining the lights so it's actually that is the way that lifts lifts us up you know it's not so much the question of is this supposed to be or is not supposed to be that question kind of bog us down thank you thank you lever wow we got two minutes left yeah i feel so joined with all of you and we're in this so deeply together that uh yeah every day it's it's a joy to wake up and just see what's on the plate and what's given and and to just dive into it with joy and and enthusiasm and and happiness and and we teach what we would learn you know what what you give is what you receive and so that's the that's been the blessing for me and uh yeah for instance just asked was it yesterday just said oh i'm doing my show and like to would you like to come on and i said oh that would be great and i've got another radio interview later today and then with james twyman coming and so it's just fun we we have always a lot of things the key has been helping me out a lot too because i get so many messages and requests and things and so uh we've been joining and she's joining in mind to uh to answer a lot of these things and uh so it's nice i have an extra set of fingers i have i have instead of 10 fingers now i have 20 fingers and uh that that's a nice comforting thing but we're linking up in mind and she's not signing the things nakita she's or she is signing him nakita but she's not signing him as david so uh she's not impersonating me because i'm not a person anyway it's hard to impersonate a spirit but but you know where it's a collaboration and i think that's the thing we're all looking to do is be joined in spirit so that the spirit is light joyful playful fun loving easy and then it it comes across that the people around us start to reflect back that wow you're happy you're having a joyful time and it's like yeah yeah if if anything you know we just really want to deliver that because it's so fun to give our lives over to the spirit it's so easy and it's fun it's it's amazing it's not in any way sacrificial it's just in this ego mind that is so distorted and it's not really to be believed in and if anything yeah we're just here to to show and to be able to to demonstrate that because it's our joy to do that so thank you so much i will see you next week thank you bye