 Patrick is it still unseasonably warm in Helsinki or it is I am perspiring Which is unusual for this country Yes, generally thought of as a cold place We're we're close to 90 here on the west side of LA and Roger's up near 100 on his side his part of LA degrees, so that's what six It's in the mid 30s. Yeah mid 30s 33 I think so almost as high here almost it's a it's a it's like go hitting 40 in Japan right now in places really That declared a natural national emergency What they also have high humidity, so it just compounds The hmm. Oh, yeah in Japan 30 feels like 50 It was close. It was 30 a few days when I was in Japan in September a couple years ago, and it was miserable I can't imagine for you. Well, at least if you're in a big city, you have air conditioning in every day It was only when we were out and about that it was really a big problem But but yeah, there's people without air conditioning that you know, I've died Oh Yeah, I know I think people in the Bay Area gonna start getting those install those regular equipment into a house Well, way to bring the the We have a fun little show now, let's turn this attitude around turn that frown upside down. Yeah Here we go three two Do you think the Daily Tech news show is worth a nickel a show? Well, a lot of us do go to daily tech news show comm slash support and join us Oh This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday July 24th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I am scooter Lane and from Helsinki or almost thereabouts. I am a scooter Lane's friend Patrick patient We are all the friends of scooter Lane here including our producer Roger Chang. Yes, I have known Scooter for quite some time. It's true. We go away Since your school days and as a matter of fact, yeah Well, we I've got a packed show. So let's carry on with a few tech things you should know Brad Sam's over at the rot comm has sources that tell him Microsoft is planning two different pieces of Xbox hardware a Traditional console and one for streaming games and we're gonna talk about this in a lot more detail little later in the show Indeed we will scooter chrome 68 marks any website delivered without HTTPS as Not secure a secure connection can prevent ad injection and crypto mining among other things The warning will appear in the address bar next to the URL in gray The EU has fined Phillips asus pioneer and Denon and Marance a collective total of a hundred eleven point two million euros for Imposing fixed or minimum online prices for their products in other words price fixing Pioneer was also found attempting to restrict selling products across borders all the companies admitted the wrongdoing in exchange for lower fines Amazon echo users can now adjust the trouble the mid-range or the base on their smart speaker inside the You know her app or by voice control voice control is limited to English speakers in the US At least at first the initial rollout is happening now with other regions and languages coming soon. They're all about that base and trouble Facebook Hong Kong limited has registered a subsidiary in China Facebook said it will focus on training and workshops for software developers similar to hubs in France Brazil India and Korea Yeah, but getting another company like Google like Apple like Microsoft Well, Microsoft has a lot more going on there, but you know getting a little finger into China All right, let's talk a little more about the Wall Street Journal reporting Monday that a US Department of Homeland Security Report claims Russian groups called Dragonfly or energetic bear used spearfishing attacks on US energy suppliers to gain network credentials For access to US utilities, you'll see the word a hundred bandied around that refers to the number of Employees who were successfully spearfished not the number of control centers Robert M. Lee CEO of security company Drago's Inc noted on Twitter that many of the reports are misleading and says the intrusions involved adversaries doing things like taking screenshots of interface panels out of manuals sometimes Most likely in preparation for further actions later The US power grid is complex and while absolutely gaining any access to utility networks is very serious It doesn't immediately lead to the capability to cause blackouts or other such measures It could down the road if you don't do anything about it But this is not there in can they're in the centers and they can throw the switch anytime as some reports may have led you to believe Well, and it sounds like Robert Lee is saying the same thing that this could be an issue down the road But he sees no evidence right now that it's anything more than you know some pictures here and there I Wonder how adequately they're trained if they're falling to spearfishing attacks I mean spearfishing as we know is Targeted so that's a relatively targeted and as Allison shared that noted a few a week ago or something anyone can fall for some kind of attack, but Given the nature of their job everyone should be trained I think and not everyone is interested in tech and actually following how those things work But I'm guessing they have training programs Yeah, and if they don't now that now they will never another possible preventative measure a little later in the show Sources tell Bloomberg that Verizon is considering Maybe partnering with Google or Apple for a TV service to offer 5g in Los Angeles and Sacramento and some other test markets Perhaps as early as later this year now last month Verizon folded its go 90 streaming app as Of at a May investor conference chief financial officer Matt Ella said that Verizon wants the outside help until it gets comfortable with its own internet-based video service Google's YouTube TV offers more than 60 channels on the live TV app for $40 a month Apple currently does not actually have a live streaming service, but we keep waiting for it to come out with one Patrick, what are your thoughts? With Verizon partner with Google or Apple I think Apple needs partnerships. It's not like they have, you know difficulty finding partners usually but the thing Places are or partners are getting rare. I think everyone is catching on that this is needed I don't know. Honestly, I think Apple might be Although would Apple partner with Verizon wouldn't they go for the big dog AT&T? I don't know. Maybe AT&T Verizon's a bigger dog than AT&T, right? Oh, is it? Okay. Well, and they're both pretty big AT&T may be bigger Yeah, they're the they're the top two in there I think it's less about going with the big dog and more about Apple Wants to control the user experience. It wants to control the subscription Relationship and the data which is one of the reasons we have all these weird things where you can't buy a Kindle book in the Amazon app You have to go to the web So I can't imagine that they would come to an agreement Although Verizon just wants to have this be a temporary agreement until they get their own service up and running over 5g I think the more concerning part of this is the idea of bundling a TV service into 5g Which could potentially have anti-competitive Problems with it. It might be fine. It might be like hey We'll give you a discount if you have our 5g service on this television service But if it also doesn't count against data caps or if it's prioritized in any way, then that starts to be a problem Indeed Google says none of it's more than 85,000 employees has been successfully fished for on-work related accounts since it began requiring physical security keys in early 2017 the keys are usually USB keys like the UB key a Google spokesperson said Users might be asked to authenticate using their security key for many different apps or reasons It all depends on the sensitivity of the app and the risk of the user at that point in time Yeah, so this could be the solution to the utility problem right if it's like hey Make sure everybody's on a physical two-factor authentication with some kind of key can be you because or somebody else's but the way these work A lot of people don't realize is They can work with usba. They can work with usb-c. There's even a version That's a little more expensive that can work with a phone through the NFC But you have to have the key present in order to complete the login So sms two-factor is the least secure because there is a method by which people can intercept You know spoof your phone number and intercept you it's not easy, but it's possible when I say it's not easy It's not like you and I could just do it walking off the street But users can or someone who who wants to do this can do it especially if it's targeted Yeah, yeah, and especially if they're targeting like a CEO or something like that. It's worth the effort Authenticators are good but Authenticators can also Sometimes be mimicked or or or or copied off of the drive or something like that That's much more difficult and authenticators are almost as good as as physical keys Physical keys are the best because if you lose it you deauthenticated and Otherwise you have it and no one else has it so you can't get fished because you can't give them the thing You can get fished with your authenticator by somebody saying hey What you put your authenticator number in here and then they go and they use that to identify you that can't happen with The physical key as easily Yeah, I think in this case it's for specific purposes of you know where convenience is trumped by Security needs for most people They think an authenticator should probably do the job, but in this case, I mean touting it like this sounds like they're very Confident in the fact that they won't be You know, I mean a hack might happen at some point to someone in the future, but this is almost inviting People trying to to get in just to for bragging rights. Yeah Although that's been happening with the Fido Alliance and web often Google's not alone in this there They're using a standard and that standard has been under assault And it has proved to be very durable and sure don't forget it stuff like this is under assault all the time I also want to know how many Google employees lose their Their Yubi key or equivalent and how often they have to get replaced and Havoc that reeks on the IT department. Yeah, I can tell you Eileen had one. She never lost hers You know back when she worked at Google But I'm sure there is a you know, it's not it's not as easy as just walking down to the reception as can get in another one I can't be Google announced a lot of at the Google cloud next conference in San Francisco Smart reply which proposes three different responses and hangout chat coming in a few weeks and smart compose Which auto complete sentences is coming to G suite soon. It's been an experimental feature in Gmail Since May for early adopters grammar suggestions in Google Docs will recognize grammatical errors and offer corrections on a much more Sophisticated level than you're used to an award processor auto ML vision Which helps non-experts create machine learning modules for image and object recognition is now in public beta and Google announced two new cloud auto ML domains one for natural language and one for Translation so those will start to get easier you won't hear the name Google duplex mentioned but a suspiciously similar sounding Contact Center AI is being bundled with dialogue flows package for call centers to act as the first human-sounding voice A caller interacts with on the phone So again a much more sophisticated way for you to say oh, I just need to check my account balance And it will recognize your natural language and do that for you or if you have a more sophisticated problem Put you in touch with the right operator and this is when you are initiating a call with a Service usually that's where it will come in play unlike duplex which initiates the call itself and As we've seen in the first demo when it didn't identify itself as an AI or a robot However, you want to call it people who aren't comfortable with it I think in this case you're used to having automated systems respond to you so People weren't uncomfortable with it if it didn't identify it themselves because they didn't know it was a bot Exactly. We're only uncomfortable later when they found out I mean all those sort of canned responses. I'd you know, sometimes when someone calls me on my iPhone I'll just be like message you later because it's one of the default responses They do come in handy where you're like, I just can't deal with this right now But I don't want you to think I'm ignoring you so same idea here, right and hangouts I don't really like the idea of autocompleting my sentences But I do like the idea of what I make her medical errors, which is rare, but it does happen sure, you know Still check me with grammar. Well, autocompleting sentences. Just have you used it? You can turn it on in Gmail right now I'm such a yes, you know, you have to take an action to complete the sentence I know but what's really helpful for things were like you know what you're gonna say It's always the same thing and you can just press tab Exactly that. Hey, thanks. We'll talk to you later kind of stuff, right? Especially, you know the more you work with people and kind of a work basis and so you're checking in on that level All right now for something completely different the Flanders Tourist Board That's in Belgium was running ads on Facebook featuring the art of Paul Rubens. Have you heard of Paul? If not, one ad showed Rubens's artwork called the Descent from the Cross Which depicts a bare-chested Jesus Facebook removed the ad one would assume because an algorithm probably or maybe a moderator said inappropriate content You know nudity the Flanders Tourist Board wrote an open letter to Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg Accusing them of cultural censorship the board also created a video showing fake inspectors removing patrons at a museum Who admit to having an account on Facebook as well Facebook allows nude paintings on the site That's not against its terms of service But has very strict rules for advertisements which can't show nudity even if it's artistic And that video was a was a parody video. They weren't really removing people But they're saying oh, is this what you want us to do protect Facebook users from seeing nudity? Well, we'll kick them out of the museum. That's also a very I mean Jesus was never like wearing a shirt, right? Like we're all familiar with this in out of Turin right a shroud of Turin Well, where was that supposed to be? Oh the shirt of Turin right and wearing something But the I you know, I think the point is like if Facebook this is this is an art to that Most people do not consider controversial. Why are you banning this from an ad? It's probably I mean, we don't have the the answer It's probably something that is that was automated and you know when you're gonna be doing all of these checks Permanently on all of the content that's uploaded to your platform as has been Demanded by many people and many authorities obviously some of those are gonna happen and the the tourist board of Flanders took it with humor and made that really funny Video in response in France. We had over the weekend An incident that was a lot less funny. We've been having a political scandal. I'm not gonna go into details, but someone a Belgian person actually who's Managing a website that claims to be parody but really verges on not fake news But at least trollish news was caught up in the algorithm and of course given and it was commenting on that scandal we've been having and so it gave a lot of fuel to People of many different sides of the political spectrum to say ha ha look Facebook is censoring this This this humorous excite are they under the orders of the president or blah, blah, blah And it's really funny because my feeling it might be an anecdotic But my feeling is that those people who were the first to raise their hands in anger Are also the first to demand that Facebook Removes whatever they decide is objectionable content at that time. So yeah, it was the contrast is really stark there Yeah, I mean, I'm sure the the restriction on advertising with nudity was caused by someone Saying oh, well these artistic nudes are allowed on Facebook I'm gonna use them in my ads and Facebook saying no you're just trying to get around around the rules here You can't can't show nude stuff in your ads I don't think anyone in their right mind would apply them to Rubens to classic art, but This moderator or algorithm did not know that and was just trying to follow rules And that's you know the problem of determining where the line is is the closer you get to trying to figure out the perfect line The more you find out people have different ideas of what that line is well And I mean also it's not like full nudity bare-chested man I mean come on man, like that's Facebook is full of that. That's I don't know many people who are like I'm very offended by this unless Right well sure. Yeah, I mean you you obviously that's part of the equation probably in this sense, but Just not to drag this on for too long But I think the conclusion to this the the moral of the story is that we have to accept that sometimes Facebook is gonna make mistakes and not get all up in You know our panties in a bunch or something to that effect every time it happens. Yeah Well folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes That'll keep all of your articles of clothing nice and smooth just subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right, as we mentioned earlier Brad Sam's at thorats dot com or thorat dot com has sources telling him Microsoft Planting two different pieces of Xbox hardware a traditional next generation console So, you know the Xbox two or whatever And a streaming box designed to work with a Microsoft game streaming platform supposedly codenamed scarlet cloud The console would locally handle things for some game elements It's normal for controller input to be handled locally, right? Because then you then you take the input you have it interact the game and then the game sends up to the to the cloud But image processing and collision detection would be handled locally as well Now that would be combined with Microsoft's extensive worldwide data centers think Microsoft Azure They've got data centers all over the world. So there's one likely close to you To help reduce latency significantly. They push a few more things into the box They have the data centers so they can keep latency to a minimum both these consoles supposedly might arrive in 2020 Patrick so this this sort of made you realize. Oh, that's what a few of these comments about cloud gaming may have been related to Yeah, I mean it it's really interesting their approach. There are two things here The two consoles. I think you you kind of some people might understand that they're different products They aren't they're actually the same generation and their play they would be playing the same game Except if you buy the cheap streaming one, you would only be able to stream them So you you would need a decent connection and the more expensive traditional one You would have a choice of streaming the games or actually buying a disc or buying it online and playing it entirely locally So that double Offering is really interesting because it gives you the options and and the other thing as you mentioned is that in the streaming box in all versions it would probably It would include. I'm sorry some local Computing to mitigate the lag Which is obviously the big issue in those types of services. So they managed to solve this I can understand that people like See Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot Why he would think that in a few, you know, maybe next generation. Maybe the one after that It's all gonna be streaming Because this is a really clever way of solving all of those issues if it does work the way it's advertised He made that comment you be Ubisoft CEO last month. He made that direct comment He believes the rest of the gaming is going to be streaming all over So maybe he had insight into Microsoft's plan. Maybe Sony has similar plans in the works, but Those seem like they could be really game-changing For that industry. Yeah, I mean his exact words were there will be one more console generation And then after that we will be streaming all of us and this certainly looks like that Whether this is the last generation of consoles coming or not is to be determined, of course and debated But yeah, I mean, it's funny that you're like, no, it's two different. It's not two different products I mean, it is two different products. It's it's one that can't Play games locally and one that can I was thinking of it as well the Xbox right now can stream games So this is just going to be an improved version of that kind of Xbox But then there will be one that's limited so but it will it will definitely no matter what change the way we look at this Especially because the therod article also indicates that these scarlet cloud games might be able to be played on phones on tablets On the current Xbox ones Yeah, no exactly. That's a great point but the reason I'm not making that distinction is that Usually you might think well in though in those in that configuration You might have some games that are available by streaming only some games that are available on disc only And it seems like this is not what they're going for All the games will be available on the on disc and on the streaming service So it's really giving the user options on how they want to handle it If you have a good console and you're going to be playing the same generation of Of games because you know in gaming we we talk in generations ps3 versus xbox 360 ps1 ps4 versus xbox 1 etc etc But yeah, so this could be A way to make this feasible Much quicker than I anticipated for All of the good things I say about Streaming services where I think they they do work out You still need this this really This significant connection speed and here with this Compromise or not even compromise with these options. You can just choose There's another element which I did want to mention. It's capcom has announced that Resident Evil 7 will be released on the switch and Resident Evil 7 is of course a very Very Graphics intensive game. So what they're doing is that they are Actually streaming it in the same way that all of the streaming services work So you only download a very small app kind of on your switch and you pay a small amount 2,000 yen to get a six months worth of using not a capcom streaming service But just that one game so I think Developers and publishers are understanding that these Technologies might allow them to bypass the manufacturers because once you have that technology You don't need to address a specific install base of one console You can just develop the thing and put your app everywhere And everyone can play either one game specifically or your whole service. It's uh, it has a huge potential Yeah, Sega's fantasy star online too for the switch works in a similar way There there are all kinds of examples for mobile That work in that way and it does allow you to just sort of leapfrog in and be like, yeah We made this game for your platform kind of By providing biohazard seven resident evil cloud version for the switch. Yeah yeah Hey, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit gaming news and tech news in general If you want to submit a story and vote on others go to daily tech news show reddit.com We are also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's check in with chris christensen about new tech and checking in at a marriott's This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute Marriott's doing something interesting with facial recognition and self check-in kiosks The kiosk scans your id takes a photo and you input your contact details and it dispenses the room card right there So even though you're just off a plane, you don't have to talk to anybody. It sounds perfect for introverts like me And it cuts the time of check-in from around three minutes to under a minute. So that's attractive Now they are rolling this out first to chinese travelers So this is rolling out in china But if it's successful, maybe this is something you'll see in a marriott coming up in your future I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler. Oh, how do we feel about this? Less face time Less human face time. I don't know. I you know, I I get I get his point that you know, it's efficiency, right? Yeah now I Sometimes this is a good idea. It's all about what how well it works, right? If I can just walk up to a kiosk checking and be on my way Faster than yeah, I'm all for it. I mean remember when you had to check out of hotels. I haven't done that in years There was a hotel I checked in recently where I had to go up to a kiosk So that someone could use it for me Well, then why is there a kiosk? Like obviously it wasn't working Uh, good stuff. Uh, shall we move on to the mail bag tom? Let's do Let's do it. Uh, we got a bunch of feedback really good feedback from a lot of folks based on our discussion about tech journalism Yesterday and what's working and what might change kv wrote in I have to lean in agreement towards the article for years I've personally been frustrated by the uncritical coverage seemingly anyway of major tech companies going back about a decade Theranos coverage is one example Always felt like tech journalists were more starstruck other than getting below the surface that being said I'm not saying we should be perpetually combative Just don't take everything at face value. The media shouldn't inadvertently and as a pr arm act as a pr arm of the companies in question Celebrating brand fandoms personally. I find it distasteful says kv Much like they shouldn't be the spokesperson for politicians If we want consumers of tech and news to be critical thinkers our press should lead by example This introspection is valuable as a self-check just to make sure the industry is on the right track Yeah, and he added one of the reasons he likes uh to the point of paying for dts and text message from Nate Langston Is that we are able to take the time to stand back and cut through the marketing pr fandom fog Which may be why I have a different perspective. He is not the only person who wrote in and said Hey, I think this article is pointing out something because I've seen a lot of uncritical press I look at so many stories every day Uh and most of them Are unfairly critical at least in the headline right there because that's what pulls people in But if you're self selecting stories because you're like, oh, that sounds nice I yeah, that's probably not it, but everyone gets a different selection of stories, especially if they're going to different sources I'm going to very solvably technology sources and Again, and I'm much closer to this because I have to look at all this stuff every day to make this show To seeing the constant bashing of things But also a few people are like, I don't read an insert outlet here because they're always bashing insert thing I love here. Well, you're doing yourself a disservice Every one of these outlets tech crunch verge recode ours technica cnet, etc Have very good reporters doing work and they'll also have less good stories get published If you don't read an entire outlet just because of a few or even a predominance of stories You don't like you're going to be missing out on some good stuff I do want to add something about this. I completely agree with kv. I agree with you as well tom Um It has become extremely critical basically ever since the brexit and trump election happened because We realized that tech is uh can have important effects and the Russian meddling and all of this was was concerning um You you have to remember though for the past 20 years We have had a little bit of cheerleading because it was an era of miracles the internet The computers the smartphones those are Incredible incredible things that happen and it is normal to be enthusiastic now We're all taking a step back and trying to understand. Well, maybe ylan musk is not, you know, the second coming of christ Uh, and and let's look at this a little bit more Uh critically dirt on for one thing Yeah, exactly, but you know There was always some criticism But there was also a little bit of cheerleading Because it was an incredible time to be alive tom is is boiling over Yeah, no, and I some of it would just be be repeating yesterday But no if you were watching certain outlets there was cheerleading and we always disdained those like You know that particular report is is just you know at ces particularly you would see Outlets that weren't used to covering tech come in and just speak glowingly about stuff I think that's the source of this. I don't think the election Has changed much at all. I felt like there was a lot of vilifying going on for unfortunate and unfair reasons Before and and not because I think that the tech CEOs are heroes But maybe it's it's all about the filters you put in place And the kinds of stories you read that gives you a different perspective on this stuff I'm gonna refrain from replying again to your point I will as well You know what patrick you can't refrain from telling everybody where they can find more of your work online Well, you know what if you speak if you speak french, of course, I do If you speak french or if you feel like you are not progressing fast enough in your learning french When you're not listening to la hende vous take what are you doing? Go check it out immediately la hende vous take at frenchspin.fr And if you enjoy gaming and my banter about gaming go check out pixels in your podcast app Right now go through the search field pixels subscribe. Boom. You're done. Excellent job. 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I think it's undeniable. I'm not saying there was never any criticism or You know, you're absolutely right that there has been an amplification, but it was already there It went from from in my perspective from from seven to nine Not not zero to well There was some criticism, but but there is and i'm talking about different kinds of criticism I think that's the other thing is i'm talking about. Oh There's an interface problem. Well google obviously doesn't care about its users and we've had those stories for for decades now They're not all about political stuff political stuff that's gone from from zero to Sorry, just I really want to make that the shift is philosophical at this point It is we we used to have this moment of elation Which maybe we do when every new piece of technology is invented where we thought You know, this is going to fix so many problems the the sun shine will disinfect all of those and tech will solve everything And now we're realizing no tech isn't solving everything elon musk is not jesus Uh mark zuckerberg isn't gonna you know provide internet to the whole world and google isn't going to solve transportation problems in you know five years and and That elation I think has is dying down and that's the Important that's fair and maybe the my problem with the perspective on this is I don't feel that we ever thought that And by we I mean people that I have co-hosted with or been in the audience of shows that I've been on I felt like we for a long time have been saying no no this thing isn't really as good as a lot of people are saying You know, it's not bad, but here's like I feel like that's always been the case And what I what I fight against more often is the knee jerk reaction of people to say It's really awful. It's the worst thing ever that that seems like the norm For the past five or six years is that I'm constantly having to tell people No, just because there was a security breach doesn't mean that this is the worst corporation in the world No, just because there's an interface problem or some yellowing on a screen doesn't mean they're incompetent and they hate you That's the fight. I feel I'm fighting every day I don't I don't feel like it's been it's been forever since somebody thought a CEO of a tech company was an angel Yeah, I sorry sarah. I sort of oh no, it's okay. I'm again I'm enjoying this banter. Can I interject? Xbox swims with the stream Oh, I like that. Yeah, all right continue. Nice and easy. Here's a question about latency um You guys were on such a roll that um, I decided to ask in the pro show But so for you know, anybody who does like audio editing and it's like latency you get it, you know, it's usually like in milliseconds what's the I don't know the most latency that Gamers would accept as something that should be better but still doable if that makes sense if if you're talking about a um A competitive fast-paced game like a first person shooter I think most people would accept 15 milliseconds even if they're somewhat competitive But that includes everything, you know And you can play most games probably with 100 to Even if it's a single player game, maybe 100 It depends after it depends on the person, you know, some people want 60 frames per second Not latency but frame rate on on everything or they you know, their eyes melt or something they they complain very loudly Some people will be okay with even maybe 200 millisecond lag, but that is still a lot of lag To to have constantly have in your game. So If they can get down to 50 milliseconds latency that is 15, right? Yes, 50 I think that will be acceptable to a large majority of of people Because at that point you're you're kind of dependent on your networks, you know, your regular internet latency anyway That's what you get in current games now um So and the thing is that we didn't talk about it too much, but that compute That's happening on the box that that that handles collisions If that's indeed the case the collisions are obviously the most important thing because they impact your game the most if they can Mitigate latency for the important parts of the game by having a small amount of computing in your box And somehow reconcile it with the images that are incoming from the service If that works it can fix it Even if the actual latency is much higher, but if they can predict stuff and yeah That's fascinating. There's a I think it's allister reynolds has a science fiction concept for Allowing real-time conversation across light distances You know like even if somebody was on the moon if you called them There's too much of a of a light delay for you to have a real-time conversation So he came up with this thing that was I think he called it chinging Where it would predict What you were going to do and then reconcile it as what you were actually doing caught up So that you could not only do conversation, but you could do full motion like an android uh being you And you know, of course, that's crazy sci-fi stuff, but But this idea that there would be an algorithm doing collision detection and adjusting the game Within a few milliseconds so that it feels like there's no lag and then double checking With the stream as it comes down And and sort of adapting on the fly I mean you're talking about it sounds like well that would always be making mistakes But at the millisecond level it probably wouldn't be making too many mistakes that you would ever even notice And and the network engines are already doing this to an extent There is some prediction happening in your games in your multiplayer games now It seems like it would be a lot less You know intense because they have to predict let's far far off. Yeah, but But it's already maybe it's just an extension of that tech that's already being developed or that has been developed for years So maybe it's not as strange as I as I'm guessing It is crazy that that we are literally we are Seriously having a discussion where the speed of light starts to be a factor in whether this technology can actually even work, right? Especially if you're trying to play from the moon. I mean, yeah a whole whole uh goal with um uh quantum quantum bits That you could conceivably create a communications network That would Yeah, entanglement where you could just like, you know, yeah, but that's that's a I have read that that is a A misunderstanding that entanglement can't violate the speed of light. Oh I think the the Yeah, it can't but how I mean even if it did you kind of wouldn't know because you can't get the information that Like let's say you have one Particle and another that are entangled three light years away You can't know that that Piece of information has been confirmed as the same Over there before you travel three light years. So it's not There's something like maybe I'm I'm mistaken. No, no, you're you're you're on the right track Even if you haven't 100 maybe you're maybe not you've 100 nailed it, but it's something like that where you can't you can't confirm it. So Yeah, I don't know Um pbs spacetime excellent excellent youtube channel. I feel like it Talks about all of that stuff pbs spacetime Yes, pbs spacetime exactly Sorry, I was muted for a second cool From like public broadcasting system here in the states Yeah, yeah, um, it's they have a bunch of channels. They're really uh going on it all in on on digital Um, and they have I mean they're financed by a bunch of different sources Um, but they have a lot of different things. They're working with uh, uh, the green brothers Uh, they they have a number of different things and The spacetime is specifically talking about you know, the fundamental physics And uh, it's super interesting. They they go back like five years. I think four years So there's a wealth of videos in there and there It gets a little bit hairy I don't really understand all of it, uh, sometimes but You have to watch some videos like three times if you're not a particle physicist, but um, it's really interesting Which you know, most people are but few of few of Yeah, unfortunately, I'm not Slackers who decided to go for an easy degree Well, it was a rousing discussion patrick if nothing else It was I need to Go to sleep because it's past midnight. Okay, and the baby is teething. So he's been You definitely need to sleep. We think he's teething, but we're not sure He's just being a real little he could be a knowing baby. He could be possessed. Honestly, it wouldn't teething or wouldn't Or does does does uh, does he want to chew on something? he's Uh, I don't know constantly. He is chewy um and it would be the the top teeth and um We can see them, but I don't know if they've been there for a long time. I mean we can see them below the gums Um, we don't know if they've been there for a long time or if they're Starting to come out. I thought the bottom teeth always came in first. Oh, he already has his bottom. Oh, I see So you're familiar with teething You just think there's more teething. Yes, but we can be sure if it's teething or just Him being annoying, which he will also enjoy Um, is a baby. I mean like if there's a lot of saliva There is a lot of it's teething Okay, well, maybe it is it's it's our prevailing theory Um, we're we're trying to be fair to all of the scientific theories So we are also hearing from scientists that are telling us that it's not teething Um, and we're weighing both opinions teach the controversy patrick. Yes, exactly All sides I'm sorry. Is your baby a vampire? Um, I believe vampires don't express their vamp vampiric traits before puberty. So we're not sure yet Oh, okay I mean if your baby was a vampire, then I think you would be a vampire also Well, I mean, I don't really know It was part of our order But we didn't uh, we didn't have a high order or the order you made for the baby that one But since we're not vampires ourselves, uh, the we didn't get very high on the priority on the vampiric priority list So someone would be a bad place to be a vampire Well, not in winter. Well at this time of year it would be right. Yes this time of year. Yes It's so if you were if you were going to paris at this time of year and only go into finland in the winter Then I would bite might suspect vampire. Oh, yeah, even in paris. It's really sunny. Um, we have more buildings to hide in I guess That's true. That's true So I don't know. Well, we'll see um But yeah, he's teething. It's interesting Little vampire. All right, we'll let you get some sleep man. I'm sorry. All right. No, no problem. That was fun. Thank you very much all of you Um by tom and roger and scooter Thank you. Patrick see you next time Yo, I'm I'm not I'm not uh on the show next week. Oh You're next time on right. Yeah, clever, clever, which will be august 7th Exactly Oh And we'll miss you too video people. Thanks for watching. I hope you enjoyed the uh show and we will be back with more videos Tomorrow audio people stick around. There's more to come