 From around the globe, it's theCUBE with digital coverage of AnsibleFest 2020. Brought to you by Red Hat. The ascendancy of massive clouds underscored the limits of human labor. People, they simply don't scale at the pace of today's technology. And this trend created an automation mandate for IT which has been further accentuated by the pandemic. The world is witnessing the buildout of a massively distributed system that comprises on-prem apps, public clouds, and edge computing. The challenge we face is how to go from managing things you can see in touch to cost-effectively managing, securing, and scaling these vast systems. It requires an automation-first mindset. Hello everyone, this is Dave Vellante and welcome back to AnsibleFest 2020. We have a great panel to wrap up this show. With me are three excellent guests and CUBE alums. Ashesh Badani is the Senior Vice President of Cloud Platforms at Red Hat. Ashesh, good to see you again, thanks for coming on. Yeah, likewise, thanks for having me on again, Dave. Stephanie Cheris is Vice President and General Manager of the RELL Business Unit and my sports buddy. Stephanie, glad to see you back in the New England area. I knew you'd be back. Yeah, good to see you, Dave. Thanks for having us today. Yeah, very welcome. And then finally, Joe Fitzgerald, Longtime CUBE alum, Vice President and General Manager of the Management Business Unit at Red Hat. Joe, good to see you. Hey, Dave, good to be here with you. Ashesh, I'm going to start with you. Let's lay out the big picture for us. So how do you see this evolution to what we sometimes talk about as hybrid cloud, but really truly a hybrid cloud environment across these three platforms that I just talked about? Yeah, let me start off by echoing something that most of your viewers have probably heard in the past, right? They've always heard this notion about developers, developers, developers. And that still holds true. We aren't going away from that. Anymore, developers are the new key makers. But increasingly, as the scope and complexity of applications and services that are deployed in this heterogeneous environment increases, it's more and more about automation, automation, automation. In the times we live in today, even before dealing with the crises that we have, just the sheer magnitude of requirements that are being placed on enterprises and expectations from customers require us to be more and more focused on automating tasks which humans just can't keep up with. So as we look forward, this conversation here today, what Ansible is doing is squarely aimed at dealing with this complexity that we all face. So Stephanie, I wonder if you could talk about what it's going to take to implement what I call this, this true hybrid cloud, this connection and management of this environment. RHEL is obviously a key piece of that. That's going to your business unit. But take us through your thoughts there. Yeah, so I'm kind of building on what Ashesh said. When we look at this hybrid cloud world, right? Which now hybrid is much more than it was considered five years ago. It used to be hybrid was on-prem versus off-prem. Now hybrid translates to many layers in the stack. It can be VMs hybrid with containers. It can be on-prem with off-prem and clearly with edge involved as well. Whenever you start to require the ability to bridge across these, it really takes, that's where we focus on having a platform that allows you to access sort of all of those and be able to deploy your applications in a simple way. When I look at what customers require, it's all about speed of deploying applications, right? Build, deploy, and run your applications. It's about stability, which is clearly where we're focused on RHEL being able to provide that stability across multiple types of hybrid deployment models. And third is all about scale. It is absolutely all about scale. And that's across multiple ranges in hybrid, be it on-prem, off-prem, edge. And that's where all of this automation comes in. So to me, it's really about where do you make those strategic decisions that allow you to choose, right? For the flexibility that you need and still be able to deploy applications with speed, have that stability, resiliency, and be able to scale. So Joe, let's talk about your swim lane and it's weird to even use that term, right? Because as Stephanie just said, we're kind of breaking down all these silos that we've talking in terms of platform, but how do you see this evolving and specifically what's the contribution from a management perspective? Right, so Stephanie and I shesh talked about sort of speed, scale, and complexity, right? People are trying to deploy things faster or larger scale. You know, by the way, keep everything highly available and secure. That's a challenge, right? And so, you know, interestingly enough, Red Hat, about five years ago, we recognized that automation was going to be a problem as people were moving into open hybrid clouds, which we've been working with our customers for years on. And so we acquired this small company called Ansible, which had some really early emerging technology, all open source, right, to do automation. And what we've done over the past five years is we've really amplified that automation and amplified the innovation in that community to be able to provide automation across a wide array of domains that you need to automate, right, and to be able to plug that into all the different processes that people need in order to be able to go faster but to track, manage, secure, and govern these kind of environments. So we made this bet years ago and it's paying off for Red Hat in very big ways. I mean, no doubt about it. I mean, when you guys bought Ansible, so it wasn't clear that it was going to be the clear leader. It is now. I mean, it's pulled ahead of Chef, Papa, you saw VMware, bought Salt, but I mean, Ansible very clearly has the, based on our service, the greatest market momentum. We're going to talk about that. I know some of the other analysts have chimed in on this, but let me come back to this notion of on-prem and cloud and edge. And this is complicated. I mean, the edge, it's kind of its own island, isn't it? I mean, you got the IT and the OT schism. So maybe you could talk a little bit about how you see those worlds coming together, the cloud, the on-prem, the edge. Maybe Stephanie, you can start. Yeah, I think the magic Dave is going to happen when it's not its own island, right? As we start to see this world driven by data cause the spread of a data center to be really disaggregated and allow that compute to move out closer to the data, the magic happens when it doesn't feel like an island, that's the beauty and the promise of hybrid. So when you start to look at what can you provide that is consistent, that serves as a single language that you can talk to from on-prem, off-prem and edge, it all comes down to for us having a platform that you can build once and deploy across all of those. But the real delicacy with edge is there are some different deployment models. I think that comes into deployment space and we're clearly getting feedback from customers. We're working on some capabilities where edge requires some different deployment models and the ways you update, et cetera. And thanks to all of you out there who are working with us upstream in order to deliver that. And I think the second place where it's unique is in this ability to manage and automate out at the edge. But our goal is certainly at our platform levels, whether it be on rail, whether it be on OpenShift to provide that consistent platform that allows you that ease of deployment. Then you got to manage and automate it and that's where the whole Ansible and the ecosystem really plays in. You need that ecosystem and that's always what I love about Ansible Fest is this community comes together and it's a vibrant community for sure. Well, I mean, Ashash, you guys are betting big on this and I often think of the cloud is just this one big cloud. You got the on-prem cloud, you got the public cloud's edge becomes just an extension of that cloud. Is that how you think about it what is it actually going to take to make that edge not an island? Yeah, great point, Dave. And that's exactly how we think about it. We've always thought about our vision of the cloud as being a platform and abstraction that spans all the underlying infrastructure that a user can take advantage of. Some of it happens to reside in a data center, some in a private cloud running up with data center, more increasingly in the public cloud setting. And as Stephanie called out we're also starting to see edge deployments coming. We're seeing big build-outs in the work we're doing with Delco providers from a 5G perspective that's helping drive that. We're seeing if you will IoT like opportunities with let's say the automotive sector some in the retail sector as well. And so this if fabric, if you will right needs to span this entire set of deployment that a customer will take advantage of. And just start touching on this a little bit, right? With this notion of the speed scale complexity. So we see that this platform needing to expand to all these footprints that customers are using at the same time the requirements that they have even when they're going out of the edge is the same with regard to what they see in the data center in the public cloud. So putting all that together really is our sweet spot. That's our focus. And to the point you're making Dave that's where we're making a huge bet across all of that. So I mentioned some of our research and I do these breaking analysis segments every week and recently I was digging into the cloud and specifically was interested in hybrid and multi. And you know, hybrid I think pretty well understood for a while, multi I think was a lot of talk but it's becoming real. And the data really shows that. It shows open shift and Ansible have momentum. I mentioned that before. Yeah, you know, obviously VMware is there but clearly Red Hat is well positioned specifically in multi cloud and hybrid. And so, and I know some of the other analysts firms have picked up on this. What are you guys seeing in the market? Maybe Joe, you can chime in and Ashash you can maybe add some color. Yeah, so, you know, there's a lot of fashion right around hybrid and multi cloud today. So every vendor is jumping out with a great multi cloud story. And, you know, a lot of the vendor strategies are pick my solution and vertically use my stuff in the public cloud on premise maybe even at the edge. Right, and you'll be fine. And, you know, obviously customers don't like lock-in. They like to be able to take advantage of the best services, availability, security, different things that are available in each of these different clouds, right? So there is a strong preference for hybrid and multi cloud. Red Hat is sort of the Switzerland of hybrid and multi cloud because we enable you to run your workloads across all these different substrates whether it's in public clouds, multiple, right? Into the data center and physical, virtual, bare metal out to the edge. And edge is not a single homogeneous, you know, set of hardware or even, you know, implementation. It varies a lot by vertical. So you have a lot of diversity, right? And so Red Hat is really good at helping provide platforms like OpenShift and RHEL that are going to provide that consistency across those different environments, but also in the case of Ansible to provide automation that's going to match the physics of management automation that are required across each of those different environments. Trust me, managing or automating something at the edge and with a very small footprint of some device across a constrained network is very, very different in managing things in the public cloud or in a data center. And that's where I think Red Hat is really focused and that's our sweet spot, helping people manage those environments. Yeah, I'll just put a lot of effort there if you could maybe comment. Yeah, I was just going to say, Dave, I'll add just really quickly to what Joe said, he said it well. But the thing I will add is the way for us to succeed here is to follow the user, follow the customer, right? Instead of us just coming out with regard to what we believe that the path to be, we're really kind of working closely with the actual customers that we have. So for example, recently we've been working with a large water utility in Italy, but they're thinking about the world that they live in and how can they go up and have kiosks that are spread through our Italy, they'll provide reports with regard to the quality of the world that's available as well as other services to all their citizens. And it's a really interesting use case for us to go up and pursue because in some sense, you can ask yourself, well, is that public cloud? Are they going to take advantage of some of the services? Is that private cloud? Is that data center? Is that IoT? Is that Edge? And at a certain point in time, what you've got to think about is, well, we've got to provide integrated end-to-end solution that spans all of these different environments. So as long as I think we keep that focus, as long as we make sure our North Star is really what the user's trying to do, what problem they're trying to solve, I think we'll come out just fine on the other side of this. So I'd love to get all your thoughts, all three of you, on just what's going on in containers, generally Kubernetes specifically. I mean, everybody knows it's hot space and the data shows that it is maturing, but it's amazing to me how much momentum it still has. I mean, it's like the new shiny toy, but it's everywhere. And so it's able to sort of maintain that velocity. And it's really becoming the go-to cloud native development platform. So the question is, how is Red Hat helping your customers connect OpenShift to the rest of their IT infrastructure platforms, their processes, the tools? I mean, who wants to start? I'd love to hear from all three of you. Ashash, why don't you kick it off and then we'll just go left or right. So Dave, we've spoken to you and to folks on theCUBE as well as others for many years on this. We've made a huge investment in the Kubernetes market and been one of the earliest to do that. And we continue to believe in the promise that it delivers to users. This notion of being able to have an environment that customers can use, regardless of the underlying choices that they make. You know, it's an extremely powerful one. It's true to an open source, right? This is key to what we do. Increasingly, what we're working on is to ensure that, one, if you make a commitment to Kubernetes and increasingly we see lots of customers around the world doing that, that we ensure that we're working closely that our entire portfolio helps support that. So if you're going to make a choice in regard to Kubernetes-based deployment, we help support you running it yourself, wherever it is that you choose to run it. We help support you whether you choose to have us manage on your behalf and then also make sure we're providing an entire portfolio of services both within Red Hat as well as from third parties so that you have the most productive integrated experience possible. Okay, and Stephanie, I love your point of view on this and Joe, I'd love to understand how you're bridging the Ansible and Kubernetes communities, but Stephanie, why don't you chime in first? Yeah, I'll quickly add to what Ashish said and talked about well on really the promise and the value of containers, but from a particularly from a REL perspective, we have taken all our capabilities and knowledge in the Linux space and we have taken that to apply it to OpenShift, right, because Kubernetes and containers is just another way to deploy Linux. So making sure that that underpinning is stable, secure, and resilient and tied to an ecosystem, right? An ecosystem of various architectures, an ecosystem of ISVs and tooling, right? We've pulled that together in everything we've done in Linux for over decades now at Red Hat and we've put that into that customer experience around OpenShift to deploy containers. So we've really built, it has been a portfolio wide effort as Ashish alluded to and of course it passes over to Ansible as well with Joe's portfolio. Yeah, we talked about this up front, Joe, the communities are so crucial. So how are you bridging those Ansible and Kubernetes communities? What's your thought on that? Well, a quick note about those communities. So OpenShift is built on Kubernetes and a number of other projects. Kubernetes is number seven in the top 10 open source projects based on a number of contributors. Turns out Ansible is number nine, right? So if you think about it, these are two incredibly robust communities, right? On the one hand, building the container platform in Kubernetes and the other around Ansible and automation. It turns out that as the need for this digital acceleration and building these container-based applications comes along, there's a lot of other things that have to be done when you deploy container-based applications. Whether it's infrastructure automation, right? To expand and manage and automate the infrastructure that you're running, your container-based applications on, creating more clusters, configuring storage network, counts, things like that, but also connecting to other systems in the environment that need to be integrated with around, you know, ITSM or systems of record, change management, inventory, cost, any of these things like that. So what we've done is we've integrated Ansible, right? In a very powerful way with OpenShift through our advanced cluster management capability, which allows us to provide an easy way to instrument Ansible during critical points, whether it's your point new clusters, out there, or you're deploying a new version of an application or a new application for the first time, whether you're checking policy, right? To ensure that, you know, the thing is secure, that, you know, you can govern these environments, right, that you're relying on. So we've really now tied together two sort of de facto standards, OpenShift built on Kubernetes and a number of other projects, and then Ansible, where Red Hat has taken this innovation in a community and created these, you know, certified content collections, platforms, and capabilities that people can actually build and rely on and know that it's going to work. Ashash, I mean, Red Hat has earned the right, really, to play in both the cloud native world and of course the traditional infrastructure world. But I'm interested in what you're seeing there, how you're bringing those two worlds together. Are they still, you know, largely separate? Are you seeing kind of traditional IT? I mean, you're certainly seeing them lean in to more and more cloud native, but what are you guys doing specifically to kind of bring those worlds together? Yeah, increasingly it's really hard to be able to separate out those worlds, right? So in the past, we used to call it shadow IT. That really is no shadow IT anymore, right? This is IT. So we've embraced that completely. You know, our take on that is to say, there are certain applications that are going to be appropriate for being run in a data center certain way. There are certain other workloads that will find their way appropriate for the public cloud. We want to make sure we're meeting them across. But what we want to do is constantly introduce technologies to help support the choices customers make. What do I mean by that? Let me give a couple of examples. One is, you know, we can say customers have VMs that are based out in specific environments and they can only run as VMs. That code can't be containerized for variety of reasons, right? You know, hard to re-architect that, don't have the funds, you know, have certain security compliance reasons. Well, what if we could take those VMs and then have them be run in containers in a native fashion? Wouldn't that be extremely powerful value proposition to run containers and the VMs as containers sort of side by side with Kubernetes orchestrating them all? So that's a capability we call OpenShift Virtualization. We've introduced that and made that generally available within our platform. Another one, which I think Joe is starting to touch on a little bit here is both around this notion of Ansible as well as advanced cluster management and say, one, technologies like Ansible are familiar to our customers, but if we find ways to introduce things like the Operator Framework to help support people's use of Ansible and introduce technologies like advanced cluster management which allows for us to say, well, regardless of where you run your clusters, whether you run your Kubernetes clusters on-premise, you run them in the cloud, right? We can manage them in consistent fashion and manage health and policy and compliance of applications across that entire state. So, Dave, your question is an extremely good one, right? But what we are trying to do is try to be able to say, we are going to just span those two worlds and provide as many tools as possible to ensure that customers feel like the shift, if you will, or the move between traditional enterprise software application development and the more modern cloud native can be bridged as seamlessly as possible. Yeah, Joe, we heard a lot of this at Ansible Fest, so the ACM as a key component of your innovation and frankly, your competitive posture, anything you would add to what Shesh just shared? Well, I think that one of the things that Red Hat is really good at is we take management and automation as sort of an intrinsic part of what needs to go on. It's not an afterthought, you just don't go build something, go, oh, I need management, go out and go get something, right? So we've been working on sort of automation and management for many, many years, right? So we build it in concert with these platforms, right? And we understand the physics of these different environments. So we're very focused on that from inception as opposed to an afterthought when people sort of paint themselves into a corner or have management challenges they can't deal with. There's a lot of analogs in our business in there. The management is a bolt on and security is a bolt on. It just doesn't work that well and certainly doesn't scale. Stephanie, I want to come back to you and I want to come back to the edge. We hear a lot of people talking about extending their deployments to the edge in the future. I mean, if you look at what IBM is doing, they're essentially betting its business on RHEL and OpenShift and betting that its customers are going to do the same as well as you. Maybe talk about what you're doing to specifically extend RHEL to the edge. Yeah, Dave, so we've been looking at this space consistent with our strategy as Ashesh talked about, right? Our goal is to make sure that it all looks and feels the same and provides one single Linux experience. We've been building on a number of those aspects for quite some time, things like being able to deal with heterogeneous architectures as an example, being able to deal with, having ARM components and x86 components and power components and being able to leverage all of that from multiple vendors and being able to deploy. Those are things we've been focused on for a long time. And now when you move into the space of the edge, certainly we're seeing essentially data center level hardware move out to be disaggregated and dispersed as they move it closer to the data and where that's coming in and where the analysis needs to be done. But some of those foundational things that we've been working on for years starts to pay off because the edge tends to be more heterogeneous all the way from an architecture level to an application level. So now we're seeing some ask, we've been working upstream in order to pull in some features that drive capabilities around specifically updating, deploying those updates, doing rollbacks and things like that. So we're focused on that. But really it's about pulling together the capabilities of having multiple architectures dealing with heterogeneous infrastructure out there at the edge, being able to reliably deploy it even when, for example, we have customers who they deploy their hardware and they can't touch it for years. How do they make sure that that's out there in a stable environment that they can count on? And then adding in things like containerization. We talked about the magic of that being able to deploy an application consistently and being able to deploy a single container out there to the edge. We're thinking about it all the way from the architecture up to how the application gets deployed. And it's gonna take the whole portfolio to do that as you need to manage it as you need to deploy containers. So it's a focus across the company for how we deal with that. And as we were talking about before, it takes a village and all that bromide, but it does, it requires an ecosystem and joke. I mean, there's some real technical challenges in R&D that has to happen. I mean, you've got to be, you're talking about cloud native in all three different clouds, I'm not just the big three, but other clouds and then bringing that to the edge. So there's some clear technical challenges, but there's also some business challenges out there. So what are you seeing in that regard? What are some of those things that you hope to solve by bridging that gap? Well, I think one of the things we're trying to do, and I'm focused on the management automation side is to provide a common set of management tooling and automation, right? And I think Ansible fits that quite well. So over the past five years, since Ansible has been part of Red Hat, we've expanded from, they started off initially doing configuration management, right? We've expanded to include network and storage and security, now edge at AnsibleFest, we demonstrated things like serverless event driven automation, right? Building an open shift serverless and K native. We're trying to expand the sort of the use cases for Ansible so that there's a simplicity. There's a tool reduction, right? Across all these environments, right? And you don't have to go deal with nine vendors and you know, 17 different tools to try to manage each element here to be able to provide a common set. It reduces complexity, cost and allows skills to be able to be reused across these different areas. It's going to all be about digital acceleration, right? And reducing that complexity. And one last comment, one of the reasons we bought Ansible years ago is the architecture, it's agentless. Many of our competitors that you hear, the first thing they want to do is go deploy an agent somewhere. And that creates its own ongoing burden of do I have the latest version of the agent? Is it secure? Does it fit on the device? As Stephanie mentioned, is there a version that fits on the architecture the device is running on? It starts getting really, really complicated. So Ansible is just simple, elegant, agentless. We've expanded the domains, we can automate with it and we've expanded sort of the modality. How can I call it? User driven by an event as part of some lifecycle management app deployment Ansible plugs right in. Well, Joe, you can tell you're a management guy, right? As an agent, it's another thing that has to be managed. Laundry list is not fair. I want to come back to this notion, Joe, just touched on this digital transformation. Do they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Well, COVID broke everything. And I got to say, I mean, all the talk about digital transformation over the last several years, yes, it was certainly happening, but there was also a lot of lip service going on. And now if you're not digital, you're out of business. And so, given everything that we've seen in the last, whatever, 150, 200 days or so, what's the impact that you're seeing on customers' digital transformation initiatives? And what is Red Hat doing to respond? Maybe Ashesh, you could start and we can get feedback from the others. Yeah, Dave, it's an unfortunate thing to say, right? But there's that meme going around with regard to who's responsible for digital transformation. And it's a little bit, I guess, Gallo's humor to call it COVID, but we're increasingly seeing that customers and the journey that they're on is one that they haven't really gotten off even with this, if you will, change in environment that's come about. So, the projects that we've seen in play are still underway. We've seen acceleration actually in some places with regard to making services more easily accessible. Anyone who's invested in hybrid cloud or public cloud is seeing huge value with regard to being able to consume services remotely, being able to do this on demand, and that's a big part of the value proposition that comes forward. And increasingly, what we're trying to do is trying to say, how can we engage and assist you in these times, right? So, our services team, for example, has transformed to be able to help customers remotely. Our support team has gone off and worked more and more with customers. For a company like Red Hat that hasn't been completely, if you will, difficult thing to do, mostly because we've been so used to working in a dispute fashion, working remotely with our customers. So, that's not a challenge in itself. Making sure customers understand that this is really a critical journey for them to go on and how we can kind of help them walk through that has been good. And we're finding that that message resonates, right? So, both Stephanie and Joe talked a little bit about how essentially an entire portfolio is now built around ensuring that if you'd like to consume on demand, we can help support you. If you'd like to consume in a traditional fashion, we can help you. That amount of flexibility that we provide to customers is really coming to bear at this point in time. So, maybe we could wrap with, we haven't really dropped any customer names. Stephanie and Joe and Shash, I wonder if you have any stories you can share or customer examples that we could close on that are exciting to you this year. So, I can start if that's okay. Please. So, an area that I find super interesting from a customer perspective to increasingly seeing more and more customers go down is sheer interest in if you will kind of diversity of use cases that we're seeing, right? So, we see this for example, automotive, right? So, whether it's a BMW or a Volkswagen, we see this now in healthcare with the HCA in we'll say a little bit more traditional industries like energy with Exxon or Schlumberger around increasingly embrace of AI ML, right? So, artificial machine learning, if you will, advanced analytics being much more proactive with regard to how they can take data that's coming in ingested, be able to make sense of the patterns and then be able to have some action that has a real business impact. So, this whole trend towards AI ML workloads that they can run is extremely powerful. We work very closely with NVIDIA as well and we're seeing a lot of interest, for example, in being able to run a Kubernetes-based platform, support NVIDIA GPUs for specific class workloads. There's a whole bunch of customers who are in financial services that this is a rich area of interest. We've seen great use cases, for example, around grid with Deutsche Bank. And so, to me, I'm personally really excited to see kind of that embrace the VC from our customers regard to saying, there's a whole lot of data that's out there. How can we essentially use all of these tools that we have in place? We talk about containers, microservices, DevOps, all of this and then put it to bear to really put to work and get business value. Great, thank you for that, Shesh. Stephanie, Joe, Stephanie, anything you want to add or final thoughts? Yeah, just one thing to add and I think as Shesh talked through it, a whole number across industry verticals and customers, but I think the one thing that I've seen through COVID is that it's, if nothing else, it's taught us that change is the only constant. And I think our whole vision of Open Hybrid Cloud is how to enable customers to be flexible and do what they need to do when they need to do it, wherever they want to deploy, however they want to build or provide them some consistency, right? Across that is they make those changes. And I think as I've worked with customers here through since the beginning of COVID, it's been amazing to me the diversity of how they've had to respond. Some have doubled down in the data center, some have doubled down on going public cloud. And to me, this is the proof of the strategy that we're on, right? That Open Hybrid Cloud is about delivering flexibility and boy, nothing's taught us the need for flexibility like COVID has recently. So I think there's a lot more to do. I think pulling together the platforms and the automation is what is going to enable the ability to do that in a simple fashion. So Joe, you get the final word. I mean, Ansible Fest 2020, I mean, it's weird, right? That's the way these events are all virtual, hopefully. Hopefully next year, we got a shot at being face to face, but bring us home, please. Yeah, I got to tell you, having 20,000 or so of your closest friends get together to talk about automation for a couple of days is just amazing. That just shows you sort of the power of it. We have a lot of customers this week at Ansible Fest telling you their story, you know, CarMax and ExxonMobil, you know, Blue Cross Blue Shield. I mean, there's a number across all different verticals, globally, Cepsa from Europe. I mean, just an incredibly diverse array of customers and use cases. I would encourage people to look at some of the customer presentations that were on Ansible Fest, listen to the customer telling you what they're doing with Ansible, deploying their networks, deploying their apps, managing their infrastructure, container apps, traditional apps, connecting it, moving faster. They have amazing stories. I encourage people to go look at it. Well, guys, thanks so much for helping us wrap up Ansible Fest 2020. It was really a great discussion. You guys have always been awesome CUBE guests. We really appreciate the partnership. And so thank you. Thanks a lot, Dave, appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, Dave. Thanks for having us. All right, and thank you for watching everybody. This is Dave Vellante for theCUBE, and we'll see you next time.