 Wait, but we haven't asked them if they want to do that. It's OK. We can just check it. And then you sign underneath saying yes. Yeah, but do we really want to do that if we don't know that they're just this? We can do it if they refuse to do it. They won't do whatever we have to do. We still have to ask. We still have to do this. I just want to be sure. Yes. But I just want to be sure that, on some level, we have a chance to look at this thing before they submit it because I'm just not. So this is saying to serve as a municipal authorizing official for the grant's electronic application and reporting system. So on Gears, they're asking for a name. And I think that's you. They're not going to ask you to fill out the grant and apply for it. No, no, no. I don't think so. I think that's fine. And to execute the grant agreement and such documents as maybe. So that's just pressing the button. Yeah. Yes. That's what I meant. And then 3B is the alternate. And the alternate is 3B. Yeah. So if something happened to you, they could say, Phil, would you please? Or I'm off of a motorcycle trip. So who are you going to put in 3C? And then Sarah is here. I designated as the grant administrator in person with the overall administrative responsibility. Peter, Phil, Sarah. And then I do say we check the box in the back. Well, this is the thing. Are we really making her responsible for the program activities? Or are we just saying this on paper? I think we're saying it on paper. Because she's not going to be like, have you measured the sidewalk yet? Have you contacted someone so yet? No. But she's going to watch that. I'm just reading the resolution you guys had from last year, which was a resolution to apply for a municipal planning grant for the Vermont Department of Housing, blah, blah, blah, acknowledging that if granted, the town will be responsible for a 10% match of funds, which may be in kind contributions. See, that isn't even in that. Right. Afterward, the board discussed whether to check the box and the resolution to the Regional Planning Commission tactics agent for administering the grant. The box was checked pending further clarification for the potential grantor regarding the town's control if the Regional Planning Commission assumes its responsibility. Let's discuss the same one, shall we? Yeah. Yes. Here we have. Because don't they say in here somewhere or? It's the same. Must adopt the resolution. Yes. So, well, should we just Steve moved and Phil seconded? Do you want to keep the same dynamic? So, we're playing. Yeah. Wait, this is like the same exact date. Yeah. Yes. It's the exact same date. Except for the year. Except last year we didn't have it turned on. And it was on Tuesday. Today's Tuesday. Today's Tuesday. We can't sign this because it's a different date. No, no, no. We're just going to sign it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. But we're going to do that instead of this thing. Yes. I like that. See, it's always good to have one. Do we have to do this? No. We're going to have more. Are you sure we can? It says somewhere it says or similar. This says 2019 municipal planning grant. No, we have further. I have this grant. You guys are going to check that box and you're going to sign this tonight after you pass that motion. But that's going to be the resolution. This is going to be the resolution. Correct. Yes. Not this. But yes, we just need to sign this in order to submit this by September 30th. So, they can get this. So, I know. So, we by signing the bottom of this, we sign the resolution. This is from 2000. No. I am just using the wording from last year. We're going to put that in the minutes and then this is the resolution that you sign right here. Right here. This is the grant. This is the grant. If you need to have us come back to sign because we've done something. No. You're going to, it's right here. We need to sign. OK. OK. So, we just need to change the names. Yes. So, it's Peter, Phil, and Sarah. But we still need to change the names. This is my question. OK. So, I'm just going to put this. To protect you. So, 3A. 3A is Peter. 3B is Phil. Yeah. Yep. And you're on 3C. 3C. OK. So, do you guys want to, do you want to pass this motion? Do you want to? I moved already and Phil seconded. So, we're ready to vote. We're ready to vote. OK. So, do you want to include the same wording? Yeah. Yes. OK. All in favor? Say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Done. Now you can sign. Now we can sign. Did Mary call? No. Just going to call in. OK. Shall I check off this box? Go ahead. I'm also going to put this in. It's the same thing that we are going to, depending on what, that, what that means to check off that box. Yeah. So, we're ready to move on. OK. Considering the DeWolf Bids to conduct an engineering study of the town garage, possibly the town hall, action likely. I, of course, had forgotten that we asked Paul to do this. So, our faithful clerk slash select board assistant reminded me. I think it's a good thing to do for the town garage. I'm not sure it's worthwhile for this building. Why would we need an engineering study on this building? We might need an architect to work on this building. That was probably an architect. I don't know that. Well, I guess my thing would be only if we decided that there was going to be the clerk upstairs here someday and we had to move the vault and you had to do something to that. Right. Nobody has ever suggested to me that there was any structural, I mean, there's deficiencies in this building. It's not going to collapse. No. And there's an open question as to whether we're going to continue to use this building or not. So. But isn't the point of this study so that we can present to the voters that we decide that we don't want to be in this building, that we've done our due diligence as to why we think there's a new building needed? But I think that's an architect who does that. The engineer is going to say the roof isn't going to collapse. The foundation isn't going to crumble. So we still want to have somebody come and look at it. At some point, yes. Whether we want to do it now. And the next phase of this business with the 10th garage, I think, is to get an architect involved. You know, we're going to determine the feasibility and cost to improve that existing building. That's an engineering function in my mind for mostly an engineering function. Yeah. So do we know, Steve, if we have, we must have a file somewhere that has the plans and specs for that building somewhere, hopefully, maybe possibly. I don't know. Because that's going to make a huge difference in this engineering study. Because otherwise they're going to have to do a complete analysis of what structure that building was. Well. And to the extent it's a pre-engineered building, I'm sure we received all. I mean, I know it was a long time ago. I can put more on it. But probably they're around here someplace. Yeah. Does that company still make? Warton. Yeah. Buildings? I think they do. I'm not sure. I believe so. So the specs as a pre-engineered building, they probably still have the specs for that building. Well, they probably do. The push comes to shove where we have them. But I mean, to have them start digging into the walls and figuring out what the structure is, that's what's going to make this expensive. Whereas we can give them and say, so many pounds per square foot. Here's what a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. That makes their job a hell of a lot easier. True. And hello. Hi, Mary. So much with the newlywed. Oh, that's important business. So. It is important business. Well, congratulations to you and to them. Thank you. So how far on do you think that would be better? So, Mike Peltier is not here. And we re-approved or approved the municipal resolution for the planning grant. We changed the names around. We made it Peter, Phil, and Sarah instead of the suggested names, which were the same names we had the last time we did this. We want to make sure we have control. So we have just started talking about item three, which is the DeWalt Bids to conduct an engineering study. And we're just talking about it. But from my point of view, there's no reason to do an engineering study on the town hall. We have no reason to believe that there's any deficiency in the struct. There may be deficiency in the functionality of the town hall and clerk's office, but it's not an engineering issue. It's an architect's issue. So what I'm suggesting or thinking about is that we go ahead with the proposal at the town garage, which is an engineering study. But the question I was asking is I'm hoping that somewhere either down at the garage or here in the office, we have a file from when we bought that building because I'm sure that will have a lot of structural information in it, which will. So the question is whether we do it. Is the question whether we do a real engineering one or just a visual inspection? No, they can't do a visual inspection. I thought they'd offer that as an alternative. They do. I think that was the town hall they offered. I mean, to do a structural analysis of that garage to determine if it can support additional insulation, et cetera, et cetera, they've got to know what the structure is of that garage. And to do it, if we can't find the specs, they're going to have to cut away portions of the wall and do whatever they have to do to figure out what the structure of that building is. And that's going to be expensive. I'm just hoping, I mean, we need to do whatever we need to do. But I'm hoping if we can find a file that says, yes, here's that building and here's what the specs are that they can go in there and do a simpler, easier, less expensive job of doing their analysis. The rest of it was like 22 to 2800, right? Yes. Yes. And so I thought they offered a visual one that was like a thousand dollars less, but maybe that was for the town hall. It's on the garage. It's on the garage. That's it right on the thing. This is the only thing that's at the garage. The only thing on this, I believe. No, there are two things. One's for the garage and one's for the home. Yeah. On this one, though. Oh, yeah. But what you're saying is it makes more sense to do the whole thing. Maybe less than by the fact that we could come up with some of the stuff they'd be looking for. Yes. Correct? Yes. Because, you know, and this is only an estimate. This says what their rates are. So if they need to spend less time, it's money that we can save. That's all I'm suggesting. I think that's a great idea. But it also means they can spend more money, right? Well. They're not doing the visual on the town hall. I mean, the visual won't really do us any good. I mean, you know, they're going to say it's a pre-engineered building. It is what it is. It is what it is. It isn't collapsing, but can it support the weight of additional insulation? Who knows? So, you know, my recommendation is that we go ahead with the study on the garage, not the town hall, and that we try and get whatever information we have here to give to them. And if we can't find the information here to reach out to Morton, who is the manufacturer of that building, and say we have a, you know, whatever it is, so many feet by so many feet, whatever year building, can you tell us what the structural specs are of that building or send a suspect sheet? That makes a lot of sense. So. Perfect. Thanks for bringing me up to date. That's where we, that's where we are. And we haven't heard from anybody else just beat her so far. So I don't know if others are agreeing with that approach. I mean, I guess as long as we do something. Me as far as you. We're going to do the whole thing. I mean, whatever it is, we're going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm on board with that. And I agree. I think it sounds like everybody agrees. So is someone willing to make a motion? So moved. Is there a second? I'll second. All in favor of the motion to hire to Wolf engineering to do a study of the town garage. Please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Yeah. We're going to ask you one quick question on the parking. Has there been a problem with parking because of the use of the of the of the camp need property on Sunday, you know, for these events? So that that comes from Mary, not the, not the bread festival that started with a conversation when I ran into Mike, I forget where I ran into him and I just said, you know, we had a little discussion at the select board meeting about controlling parking for future events and, you know, Harkening back to the festival they had last year where there were cars parked from, you know, one side of the village to the other and people walking in the street after dark and all that. And he said, Yes, I agree. And we should do that. So that's all this is just a follow up on that discussion, but he's not here tonight. So I don't, I don't see that as an emergency, but if they're going to continue to have mega events there, which it sounds like they plan to. Yeah. You know, as I said to him, whether you, you know, whether you rent a cornfield and have a shuttle bus or, you know, I don't know what, but it's definitely dangerous after dark when there are people walking in the street and cars parked on both sides and they're, you know, the whole thing. So anyway, Yeah, at least we should have some agreement with fixer stuff in places like that. Well, Well, that's, you know, yeah, that's exactly right, but that's, that's for them to do. That's for them. You know, not for, not for us to do, but I mean he had, he had some ideas about it. They, they shared, he was very good. He shared the concern. I mean, the last thing they wanted somebody to get hurt, believe me. So anyway, the last thing I want to do is adopt some kind of an ordinance that's going to create more problems than it solves. We can work it out in a collaborative way. It would be a lot better. It's a state road, so the question is, but how affordable it is anyway. Right. Correct. Yeah, but it isn't, it isn't just the state road. I mean, you know, they wanted to, you know, park people at the town clerk's office. They want to, you know, we can't control the road, but we can control other things. And the way we control it is, is, is through giving them a permit when they ask for one. Did they get a permit for the bridge festival? Yes. Now it's a permit to serve, to serve alcohol. It has nothing to do with the parking. Yeah, but we can put conditions of a permit. Right. Exactly. So anyway, another, that's, that's a discussion for another day, I think. Gotcha. That's the subject. Um, so treasure support updates on 2018 IRS returns and other business action possible. Um, that was kind of what we mentioned earlier, which probably is a new point at this point. With the fire department. Why don't you bring up people up to speed? So while I was looking, um, through the fire department stuff, I found where in the fire department's tax returns, they're using the $60,000 that the town appropriates to them. And using that, putting, entering it in as a gift donation, whatever line it's on, and then using all the electrical, uh, heating, all those expenses as expenses that the department is incurring. Um, as if they're all running through their books where my feeling is they're running through the town's books. So I didn't know how the board felt about that. Um, so I wanted to mention it. And what do you propose, surrender? Well, I'm not proposing anything. I just wanted to bring it to the board's attention to see if that was a concern or not a concern. I mean, I found it just interesting that we're both running it through a set of books. And even though we don't file tax returns, um, it's, we're paying all the bills, but they're entering it as if they're receiving a grant and paying the bills out of that grant. So Mary, Dorinda, Dorinda and I, and actually, I'm going to say it's Dorinda and I had a discussion about this before the meeting. And my take on this is that I, speaking for the town, don't really care what they file with the IRS. That's their business and really not our concern. They're an independent entity. We, we properly account for the money that we give them and the way that money is spent in our books. And that's what we need to be concerned about. And I also think that probably, and I'm not sure who actually prepares that return, but, you know, I don't think it's, I mean, Dorinda doesn't think it's being done properly. I don't think it's being done properly, but I really don't think it's our concern. They have to file this yearly to maintain their, regular, FIVOS. Yeah. Once for their nonprofit. Yeah. So it isn't like, it isn't like they're avoiding taxes or anything doing it this way. It doesn't affect anything. Right. Probably nobody's ever, but they're just showing where. It's quite certain it doesn't affect us. Well, because we're a gift. Have we run that by our account? They're not, no, but I mean, they're calling, they're calling the money we give them a grant, right? Not a gift, but it's in the same category. Well, it's all in the same category. I could have to pull up a return to see how it, but, you know, as long as, I mean, and we could certainly, we can certainly talk to our accountant, but again, they're an independent organization. They are not us. And, Oh, I understand that. And I agree with you on that point. I just want to make sure there's no. Retaining liability. For the way they account for the money we do. I don't think so. We don't necessarily even, we happen to have a copy of their return, but we're not responsible for their return. Right. I just wanted to bring it to the board's attention. That, that, that's how the taxes were being filed. My other take on this is, we've got bigger issues for the fire department than how they file their, taxes. So to get in a, get in a battle over that, I think would be, we're not running up double counting on it. The $60,000, they take as expenses, but they're not saying, and $60,000 plus all the other stuff. They're saying, they take it out of the $60,000. That's my understanding. They're showing it as income in, as whatever the, we is approved at budget time. That's what they put in for their income in, and then they show all the expenses based on what, all the bills that were paid throughout the year. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, what, what we do is account for it correctly in our books from our point of view, which is our responsibility in my view. And it's all audited, so our books are correct. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. I just think it's just, another, another, another fly in the ointment, but a relatively minor fly compared to the, or serious issues. Okay. I have one other thing I wanted to just bring you aware of. We have, we had somebody inquiring about their life insurance coverages and life and disability coverage. And, An employee. An employee. Yeah. And, and I'm sure you guys are aware of this because you signed the agreement on it, but at age 65, the benefit they receive reduces by 35% of the original amount. Yeah. And at age 70, it reduces another 15%. Used to be more than that. Typically 50% at 65 and like 25%. I just wanted to bring it to your attention because it was the same, you know, same issue we had last year with health insurance. So, again, as far as, as far as feeling as though, it's, they're not getting the same coverage that other employees are getting. So, I would say that is not true. We haven't gone back to them, but I just want you to wait. That's kind of, before we go back, I want you to be aware of that. That is, that's standard group life insurance language. Now, whether the, the more serious question would not be that, but whether, you know, we haven't changed that life insurance benefit in a long time, maybe forever. So, should it be increased? It's a cheap benefit that, that's a different question. That's a question for us when we go back to have our monthly meeting, which we haven't had in three months, with a row crew to talk to them about. I just wanted you to make aware of it. So, no, no, no. Then the answer goes back. That's a good point. So, so do we have somebody who's, I presume we have somebody who's jumping into one of those age groups? Has jumped in. Yes, right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But that is very standard group life insurance. Policy. Well, you're the one to tell them, Peter, because you're the life insurance expert. Former. Former. Emeritus. I'm just saying that. No, no, no. I didn't mean to sound, to sound facetious. So, Steve and I owe them a visit. And that's something we can talk about when we. Right. Have our visit. People know that you know insurance. When you tell them it's typical, they'll accept it from you. Because they know you know insurance. I appreciate that. I appreciate that, Mary. Thank you. Anything else to read? Nope. That's it. Okay. Here we go. Clarifying petition policy for 2020 town meeting, warning articles over 250 action possible. I just need a statement that I can give it to everybody. It just has to be consistent. Circulating petitions. I seem to give more. I like it the way it is. With it, they have to have a petition. Yeah. After all, we're a certain amount. Every year. Yeah. Yeah. And the question is, is that 250 still the right amount? And I understand wholeheartedly that if you make it 350 or 500 or whatever you make it, all those people who send in letters will immediately ask for that amount of money. Yes. Keep it at 250. I think we should keep it the same. Really, the reason that people ask for it is not for the money, but for the acknowledgement that they exist and that we as a community support them. These nonprofits are doing this to make big amounts of money. Not big amounts, but every little bit helps. Every little bit helps, but it's a lot of work for these towns to even write these letters and give them acknowledgments. If that gets 250 written by Peter Hoot or we start, that's a pretty nice contribution. And I don't think they should hear that amount. No. And I'm not saying they are. I'm just saying that this is really, this isn't something that a lot of nonprofits count on as a huge part of their budget. This is really about, we want people to know what we're doing, that we serve your community and we appreciate a token 250, which is fine. And that's why I think we should leave it at 250. So you leave that at 250 and our policy is that over the 250 you have to have a petition. And the comment that I would make as somebody who has done this for years and years and years and years is I understand if you're getting a petition in the city of Montpelier and you need 600 signatures, that's daunting. To get 76 signatures in the town of Middlesex is not hard. You go to one eighth grade basketball game, you show up at the school a couple of days after school, you run into people around town and you have them sign it and boom, you've got the 76 signatures. So I am, whatever it is, but I am not buying, but I am for over 250, I am not buying that is this horrendous, insurmountable hurdle. If you're a little bit organized and you have your act together, it's not. I'll move it, but you keep the policy the same? I have one more comment. Every year, right, even if they level fund it from the previous, they level fund it. But Peter has one more thing. I second that. Okay, thank you. So it has been moved in second and I just have a little discussion. So part of the discussion is, you can bet your Bibi, the library is going to come back to us and say you did it for us last year and we're going to say that as a one-time deal, no more. Yes, I think we should. Okay. And number two, the other thing, which you've all heard me say before, is that part of the value in doing this is when I'm down there at the school talking to people, they're asking me questions. What does CVDC do? What does home health do? What value do they bring to the community? Exactly. And I have some back and forth with them. I tell them where they can get additional information and I think that brings some value. I do too. So. I think I've actually said it seems to be that they're not doing what used to be the case, which is having a designated person stand up and discuss the program on the floor. No, thanks. They still do. Yeah, we still do that. They still do, but not automatically for everyone. It's more cash-assessed than. Well, it's more for the ones that are over 250 and on the... It's definitely for the ones over 250 and it's the ones who are asking for real money. I mean, it's the Kellogg-Hubert Library. It's home health. It's, you know, the ones that are separate. The senior centers. The senior centers. We always have the Waterbury. Yeah? Yeah. Okay, good. Okay, so it's been moved and seconded that we do not change our policy. 250, up to 250, you can get put on the list with a letter and a report, right? No, well, filling out the one, the 250-word statement. Don't send any of the reports. Yes. All I just need to know is... We're not changing in other words. Okay, great. Do you want to change the policy? Can I ask a question? Yes. Is there, and I know you briefly touched on it at the last meeting, about having, like, all of these special articles other than the 250 possibly put on the Australian ballot? That came up in the discussion. But how about, like, it set a certain dollar amount, like anything over $2,500? I think what's happening here is you're allowing the 150 people that have the ability or can show up to town meeting to vote for these large sums of money and you're not giving the opportunity to the majority of the residents in town. And I mean, and I don't think it's going to do away with town meeting, I think that, but when you get up to $30,000 in a request, that's a lot of money to have just, you know, a room full of people voting on. That's a good point. Yeah. So... That's a good point, but we had 61 people vote to approve the town plan. That's a different... You're not costing these taxpayers any money to approve a town plan. So here's what I'm scared of, Dorinda. And this is, I think, what would do in town meeting is the next chip that's going to fall is people are going to say, yeah, so we put the $20,000 library thing or whatever it is on an Australian ballot. What about the town budget, which is the big bucks? The same minority you show up at town meeting are the ones who approve the budget. Yeah, and I agree with that. I just think that it's... I hear the people when we send out these taxes and I can already see the increases that we're putting into the budget is not supporting the town. I mean, a 2% increase is not covering the 12% increase we're going to have in health insurance this year. Right. And the buildings and the road infrastructure and all of that. And I think that... I just... People are... I mean, the taxes are getting to a point where they're really difficult. And... I think... And I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I think to a certain extent or... And I just go back to the schools. When's the last time any of us, myself included, went to an informational meeting about the school budget, which is where the real money is. So, you know, I'm spending a few minutes looking over the report I get in the mail and I'm either voting for it or against it. So that to me, yes, you may get more people participating in the process, but they're not really participating. They're just saying yes or no. I don't know. I'm just very nervous that if we say, okay, all this is going to be on Australian ballot, the budget is going to be the next thing. This is going to be a clarification. You, this left word, cannot say all this is going to be on Australian... No, no, no, no. It has to be voted on at town meeting and whatever. But we could put it on the town meeting warrant. Right. Or someone could petition to put it on the town meeting. Correct. No, it's not our decision to make. It would be a recommendation. But that is my fear. And, you know, I understand, but, you know, we changed town meeting around so it's not during the day. It's not... I mean, I'm sure there are people who work at night who can't come. I'm not the only... See, this is the only guilty one. I just... And, you know, I'm an old fogey. I know I am, but I like town meeting. I think it brings value. And I enjoy going to town meeting and I would hate to see it go away. And I hated it when the school meeting went away. And it would go away if we put everything in Australian ballot. Yeah. And, you know, I think the town meeting solutions committee has tried, you know, hard to make sure that as many people who want to come to town meeting can, either through picking them up or through remote town meeting, which no one ever takes advantage of it. So I just... I don't buy that people have the reason that they can't come to town meeting. What I will say is that people probably are afraid to vote against it because they don't want their voice to be the only naysayer in the room. Then five people can call for a paper ballot. It's going to make town meeting last for two days, but we can do it. And the other thing about the town budget being on the big nut, you're absolutely right, but that's our town. I'm talking about these special articles that are going out of town. They're going to Waterbury. They're going to Montpelier. That's where I have... I mean, it's one thing to support our own town, but when we're not supporting our own town, when we have so many needs in town, whether... I mean, we're proving money to have a highway garage looked at. We're talking about the town hall repairs. I just feel that, you know, there's... It's never ending. I know. It's never ending. And it's kind of like we're sending the money out of country instead of taking care of our own people. But I would disagree with that because I believe that most of the services, because Middlesex is not a... It's more of a residential town without a lot of services that most of the services that we are supporting are ones that Middlesex residents benefit from. And the town... The town book will tell you how many residents have been served by these various programs. So, you know, just because home health and hospice isn't in Middlesex doesn't mean that people from Middlesex aren't using them. And I think that that to me is, you know, that the argument is that, well, it is benefiting our community. It's just not necessarily benefiting, you know, the infrastructure of our town. And people can vote in the positive for that. But I also feel that, you know, and that's your choice. But I just think that... It's a challenge. If nothing else, I think you should give the people the opportunity to decide if this is what they want. And I'm just... I'm throwing that out there as a taxpayer and a resident. And having to hear every time these tax bills go out or the pink slips, you know, I feel bad. That's why we need more business in here, to help us boost our tax. Tax base. Well, I would just say one other thing. And, you know, so much of this is beyond our control. But certainly the school part of it is way beyond our control and that's two-thirds of the money. And I agree with you that we're struggling to do what we need to do with the relatively modest increases that we've taken. And we've probably been too conservative in that regard. But, you know, if we doubled our increase, and it was 4% instead of 2%, that's peanuts in the... And I realize it's all cumulative. Every year it goes up, up, up, up. But every year, everything we have to pay for it goes up, up, up, up, too. But the real for me, and I'm not trying to cast the blame somewhere else, but the real problem in all of this is the schools. And that's about $18,000 a year for a student. And I don't know. You guys vote on this yet? No. We're in the discussion phase. I just don't want to be lost. No. And maybe that's... I know the 10 meeting solutions committee has worked on this and thought about it. And maybe it's time to have a joint meeting with them. I share all of your concerns. And I'm just really terrified that, you know, once you put all those items on Australian ballot, it's going to be the budget next, and that's going to be the end of 10 meeting. Well, I think we had four items over $2,500. Yeah, something like that. Senior Senate? Senior Senate. Meals and Wheels. The library. And CBHH. Yes. And I would say, you know, and don't get me wrong. And they're all worthy causes. They're all delivering service. And I realize, you know, the one I think that's controversial more than anything else, and I have to be careful what I say, my wife's long connection to the library. But, you know, I'll be honest and say, I don't use the library. I think it's a nice thing to have. But I mean, I either put a book on my Kindle or buy a book at the bookstore or whatever. I don't use the library. Do you put your book on a library Kindle? The library Kindle? Do you know you can do that? Yeah. It's great. I do it all the time. I've done it once or twice. I don't do it much. Like, when it's $8 or $10 or whatever it is, and it's on Mary's Amazon Prime account, I do it. It says, thank you, Mary. I said, perfect. But anyway, I think it is the right approach to do what we're about to vote on tonight, leave it the way it is for the time being. I think there's concern. We've got time between now and when we put the warning together, we can talk about this some more. We can maybe have Susan Clark come in and talk to us. And we can all be thinking about this. I mean, it's a struggle. I mean, you know, they have done, by they, I mean, the Town Meeting Solutions Committee has done everything to try and encourage people to come to Town Meeting. Well, the whole thing is to keep Town Meeting as a Town Meeting because it will fade away as in many, many towns. And the other part of it is, you know, maybe there is a way, not that this necessarily solves your problem, but I agree with you that a big part of the problem is, no matter what it is, when, you know, most of the time a pretty clear majority is in support, people are reluctant to say no. And, you know, I don't know if there's a way to, you know, modernize, expedite or whatever the division of the house thing is terrible because then people have to stand up and say no. So that's even worse. But the paper ballot thing is just so unwieldy and time-consuming it's very difficult to deal with. But it's a way that people can say no without feeling because there's a lot of people who feel that way. Well, it's hard to stand up and say it against the majority, whatever. You know, we have been very fortunate and I thank our lucky stars every year that, you know, we've had almost no serious conversation or discussion about our budget. If it's any discussion, it's that they want us to spend more money on the roads, which is what we hear. How come they can't be better? How come they can't be this? How come they can't be that? Well, it's all about the money. That's right. So anyway, we need to vote on keeping our policy the same, which is to say up to $250 you can write a letter and fill out our form above $250. It's a petition and a report. Is that correct, Sarah? Am I saying that right? A petition and also fill out the form and that doesn't matter if you level fund from the previous year. Right. Right. So we're clear on what we're doing. All in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? We have decided for this year, but I think we should put on our hit list for this fall to reconsider that whole issue about if we want to do the Australian ballot thing. And invite town-eating solutions people to come in? Well, at least Susan Flores. I think there should be more discussion on it anyway. No, no, no. I agree. I agree. We should also put on the agenda whether we want to undo the Australian ballot for the school budget. We don't have that option, Mayor. That's not us. Well, why can't we have a motion that we want to have instead of town-eating to undo the motion where we said we'd do it by Australian ballot? No, no, no. It's got to be the school meeting. It has to be a school, it's a school thing. So it would have to be an Australian ballot as it stands now. It would have to be an Australian ballot thing. So it would have to be, I don't even know what the petition process is in the new world. Well, actually just to clarify, Mary, the voters got together in April at a school meeting of the Unified Union School District and voted to have the budget, vote for the budget, and for officers by Australian ballot. What they neglected to do was say that the clerk, the treasurer, and the moderator need to be elected by Australian ballot as well. They said that the school meeting, the annual school meeting, I think they were a little confused, needs to be held on Town Meeting Day, all of which is impossible. So we are having a special vote on November 5th to clarify the clerk, the treasurer, and for some reason the moderator can be voted by Australian ballot because there's no way we can hold a Town Meeting and a school meeting on Town Meeting Day at the same time, especially in 2020 with the presidential primary. So that is where, it's at that meeting that you would have to ask that a vote be taken. And in that case, because it's a Unified Union School District, all the Towns have to agree. All right. Well, now exactly, other business update on the November 5th. Yeah, that does that. Also with the Unified Union, aren't ballots commingled? That was not decided. That was not decided. That's going to be decided at the November 5th. That's also going to be decided at November 5th. Why they're electing a moderator and they're still saying there's going to be an annual school meeting the night does not make any sense because everything, if this passes November 5th, will be by Australian ballot, but they forgot to do the commingling. So we are going to have to individually count the ballots until they get to them. Oh, no. Don't worry. It's only November 5th. If they pass it on November 5th, then we can commingle. I saw that, that they wanted to have the meeting. How did they even think they, wasn't it they wanted to have it the night before or the night after? I think the problem that they don't understand is that this, for example, when you have an Australian ballot, it is technically a Town Meeting. So it's a special Town Meeting to vote for the Town Plan. They're getting lost in the jargon. What they really mean is they're going to have an informational meeting, not a school meeting, annual school meeting. Right. We've tried to explain that to the superintendent and it's not sinking in, but we did get a nice lunch out of it last Tuesday. Oh, who's the superintendent? Debra. She says temper. Oh, she's acting. Okay. She's very nice. I thought it was Mary Moran from Rollins. No. Debra. Oh. From Rollins, no. From Rollins. Yeah. Does she commute up here? Oh, no. Maybe she's from Bristol. That's right. She's from Bristol. Yes. How can we work? Okay. Anyway. Email. Yes. Moving right along. Let's talk about a fun subject. Yeah, exactly. So I had a nice one conversation with Matt, whoever, from Tech Group, which is on the South Burlington. I had to fly her off for Sarah. I read it over and it looked like they offer pretty much the same kind of things as our current provider. There's some differences in the company, but I did call and I talked to the guy who's kind of like the accounts manager. And they have, they've been around for quite a while. And for quite a number of years, they've been serving a lot of school districts and a lot of towns. So they've got a lot of experience with NEMREC, first of all. And both hosted locally and cloud. And a lot of experience with towns, some much larger than us, some, you know, small areas and all different kinds of things where some, the bigger towns have a tech person on site, where the other small ones, like us. No, it's like, you know, reboot and then call me. So we talked a little bit about where we are right now in terms of what we've done as far as rebuilding our infrastructure and some of the security stuff. And again, they can manage things remotely. And I talked to them about email that we struggled a little bit with, you know, trying to upgrade the email, that we need caching, but that what we really, we really didn't want to get into this Office 365 thing and the cost of that, people have windows and office installed locally on the machines. That seems to be working well. And we really didn't want to move in this other direction and it seemed pretty costly. So, some, he actually suggested to me, something I hadn't thought about before, was just simply buying email service and typically from the company that you register your domain with. And that got me thinking and got back into some research on this. And it's a great idea. What I had to find out was whether or not those companies also do archiving and they don't. So you have to go to another provider but just for the heck of it. I went back to Network Solutions which is the oldest registrar in at least in this country. It's kind of like been there since the days the internet was invented. And if you register, if you register with them, have them do your network, you can buy mailboxes from them. They're $1.42 a month. Okay? So at that price we can basically, and they provide all the spam filtering and all that stuff because they're doing it in the cloud and then you're using whatever client you want to use Outlook or whatever, even if you want to use Gmail. And it's just a matter of then having another client to get your email for the time it comes. $1.42, you can pretty much afford to buy everybody an email address. Middlesexvermont.org Yeah, so they would host the domain. Now, right now we have the website at Cloudfire. Yeah. That's where Jared moved it to, which also is a registrar. They're two different companies and that's where the domain is held. But it's easy to move the domain and there's no real reason to move the website. We could if we wanted to, but it's there. It's working fine because Network Solutions does do website hosting. Anyway, $1.42 a month with spam filtering and malicious software filtering is pretty cheap. So in that case I think we wouldn't need to have even group mailboxes or the bigger committees. And if we want to really have archiving work it'd be great to have it broken down individually. Because if you had Listers there's three people accessing a mailbox. Well, you really don't know what the activity is because it could be any one of the three not to imply that the Listers would do anything wrong. But if you were caught in an investigation or an argument about property values, you have no idea who generated that idea. So archiving which is the big thing and one of the reasons RV wanted to wanted to use Office 365 what I found is that we actually, we can do our own archiving and we can do it relatively inexpensive compared to some of the others. We own a server that we have network on. So we have servers based. And we can buy depending upon number of uses but I just for the heck of a set. Okay, let's say we buy 15 mailboxes so that costs us around 250 bucks a year for email. And we buy software for archiving which would reside on our server which that would also be backed up. That's probably a just shy of $500 to buy the software. But we own and there's service contracts, updates whatever and again it's the kind of thing that probably isn't need a lot of updating like windows patching operating systems. I mean maybe maybe I have a yearly update or something but that seems to be the most cost effective and again I looked at several different things and we were going to move in that direction. We'd have to do some more research and see. So it would be a little bit of time for somebody to set it up on the server and then put in whatever all the functions are that grab Liz's email and archives it and they're apparently they kind of sit between the mailbox and the server. Why somebody explained to me is it's similar to a firewall. It's a piece of software that's in the middle. The stuff goes through and it grabs around and grabs it going out. So you know I'd like again there are cloud based solutions but looking at the prices they looked relatively expensive to me. Not office 365 territory but more than running it on your own server. I thought well you know we pay buy a new server. We're running Nemerc on that. See the only thing that's happening. Why not run that and go in that direction. So that's kind of where I am with the email thing. I think it's maybe a logical way to go for an organization of our size and we can meet the state and federal requirements. And apparently there's even a way with this software to import older emails. It's easier for Sarah or Dorenda who have accounts out of domain that we've used but there are ways to grab those historical ones and Where are they now? Comcast. And they are archiving? No. But they're around. At least there's ways to grab. I mean even if you erase something on servers, don't really erase those things. They're sitting somewhere. I always wonder how do they find those texts that people delete and stuff. They're able to get them back. Because they never really delete them. So in other words if I had a middlesexvermont.org email I could have it come to my Gmail address and it would show that it's a middle sex and then when I reply it would be replying from the middle sex then. But I wouldn't have to open up a different thing. You could if you want to. But you don't need to. There's web based email but no you don't. You have to pay attention which email address you're sending it from. Because it's not going to know unless you tell it. Oh right if you're creating an email you have to know which one you're sending it to. But if you're responding to an email that somebody may have sent you on that. You still have to tell it which one you're sending. So if you have Liz at middlesexvermont.org and you get an email from Peter at middlesexvermont.org and you reply to that email it's going to already be in the middlesex.org world. Where it gets tricky is and this is going to be the case no matter what we do is If you're composing. Well not only composing but I mean I get this city stream of emails from voters constituents, residents. So they're going to until we get them trained that they can't send things to Dakota. I'm going to get incoming mail on Dakota and I need to respond on middlesexvermont.org. In the future please. But you're right regardless people are going to be using our home emails because they know us and they're just like oh FYI I have a question about blah blah blah. And the easiest way to get that into the archive is to then reply using the middlesex domain. It copies the whole thing. And then it'll go into the into the archive. So this is where I'm befuddled and confused. That potentially solves the email issue. But are we thinking and I don't think we are right now that we're going to move away from Reuben for everything else he does? RB Tech? Or are we? Or is it all part of the same plan? I don't know. They offered to come down and meet with any of us who want to meet with them. Take a look at the network and give us a proposal. You were talking about the people you spent with? Yeah, tech group. I explained to them what we had done so far and he said probably your infrastructure is fine. They knew who RB was and he said we may have some different ways of doing things than they do but if stuff's good, stuff's good. As one of the things that we have to address in the near future is changing some of our computers because we're still running Windows 7 and he goes I'll tell you how many of lots of our clients are in the same situation. They're just like you. They're in this huge scramble now too. So much to my surprise which I didn't think was going to happen all of a sudden I'm working away in my computer one day and this little window pops up and it says you can upgrade to Windows 10. And I clicked on it and the computer ran away for an hour or two and guess what? I'm on Windows 10 and nobody sent me a bill. Well, I know. What did you have before? 7. I had been led to believe that I was going to have to buy A. that my computer was too old that it wouldn't be able to run Windows all this stuff. Working fine. I'm running Windows 10. But I heard it was October 1st. No, it's January 1st I think. January 1st I think. And it may have been extended a little longer because everybody went it's like when the S came in. I was surprised. Yeah. And I don't know whether that's because of the way I originally bought that license that I paid for some upgrade thing. I have no idea but it would seem to me if I can do that for no cost for some cost you should be able to do the upgrade. And it's probably a lot smaller than going out on Windows 10 license. I don't know. Upgrades usually are. Right. So maybe they changed their tune and they're allowing people to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10. Which means when they had this whole big thing I had to read and it said we continue to get patches and upgrades and blah blah blah blah blah. But we need to all I'm saying is I think A it makes sense to get whatever information, more information we need to make this decision on the email and I think we need to do it soon. I think it's worthwhile if for no other reason that we've had some issues with RVTEC, we don't like their billing system we don't like their ticket system and I don't like the fact that they're recommending a very expensive email solution to us. I mean it was like what were they, it was going to be like $25 per user mailbox. It was huge. But you see the way Microsoft's done it is now it's the whole office product. Right, you're getting the whole package. You can't just buy this. It's almost like impossible to buy Windows anymore. You buy Windows, it's got tons of stuff you know you'll never use. But here is the question though. What do we use now? We use Word obviously. We use Excel. We don't use much of anything else do we? We use Outlook. Oh we do, you're using Outlook for your yep. You mean are we at some point going to have to update that anyway? We're going to have to update which office version you have? Fairly new. I bet when they built that computer. Well this one, yeah. They put it on there. Yeah, we will. But again usually upgrades are cheaper. Why does that make the email so expensive? Because you're not getting just the email. You're getting the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, but why I guess what I'm asking is they're proposing something where we have a group license for office whatever it is, whatever version it is, right? Right. And that's what's making it expensive is that there's a monthly charge for that license. Why can't we just go out and get the limited office license just like we have now but update it? I'm not sure that any such thing really exists anymore. The way they're trying to do this stuff. So they're forcing you to buy the whole? Yeah. I mean eventually what's going to happen even with Microsoft Windows 10 is that they'll start to move to the way where the operating system has all of the office product built into it has all of the email product built into it. And we're not going to sell you anything that you're going to put on your computer and may never pay us again to upgrade for seven or eight years. We're going to sell you the use of this product on a monthly basis. Right. And that's where the $25 is coming from. Exactly. I mean yes, I think they discovered, look how long people kept office, not office, but Windows XP. Exactly. Right till the bitter end and a little beyond. Same thing is happening with seven. Because it works. What I do every day, it works. Exactly. And I don't want to pay for it. You don't need much to do it. It's their scheme to you know it's their scheme to get revenue basically. Right. But all I'm saying is I guess what I'm saying is if we're going to get trapped into that anyway at some point. At some point. I mean is at some point we have no idea, right? You would think they would do this Windows 10 thing and then turn right around and do the that's what they've done in the past. Come out with the updated version of office. And I mean I've tried that a lot with Windows 10. I mean if you notice you're not running Windows 10. I am running Windows 10. So that all the office product is built in there. And if you click on it it'll let you use it for a little bit but like 30 days later it starts popping up and saying oh you've got to buy. You no longer can use this. They bundle all the products. I've got Windows 10. It did that. But I'm still using one. I'm sorry. Are you okay? I just feel like we've gotten a little bit off track. We have. So let's get back on track and getting back on track is let's get them over here. Does everybody agree with that? They're not in the minutes. I don't think we need a motion for that. We can just do it and try and get the answers to some of these questions. I just want to make sure we're not going down the wrong path here. For that difference in price it's pretty compelling not to do something like that. Okay. I'm sorry. No, it's not okay. So I'm basically around. I don't know who else would like to be. I think Darinda should definitely be. Yup. Okay. Sarah's here anyway so she can pop in and out. I'm not going anywhere. Stop it. Four minutes behind schedule here. Discussion of how emergency services will be provided to middle sex in the future. Oh, God. That's huge. We took a rate on reading by the way and it was 40. All I would suggest is we did have a discussion about trying to hire a consultant to help us with this question. And I don't think we've moved ahead on that and I think we should. And I don't know how we determine who that person is. I know we discussed it before. I think Sarah, you were going to make some phone calls. I guess I missed that. I think it was Stowe, right? Stowe had hired a consultant. They had done a big project. Yes, I believe they did. I found that I sent to you by email. And how was it that we were going to present this to this nonprofit group that is a separate entity? We've got to see what the solution is. We've got to talk to these people and see if it's something we want to do, but if we're going to do it, certainly we have to tell them. What we talked about the last time was trying to spin this in a positive way or trying to help work on some of the issues that they and we are having at the fire department. Not saying this is us taking over control. But how they're going to perceive it, of course, is a different issue. But I think anybody I have to believe any consultant that we would want to hire is very familiar with these kind of issues and has dealt with this kind of stuff before and can give us advice on how to deal with them. Can I just get some guides here? Let's say we get two or three of them. What we really like is something almost like the DeWolf thing, saying that for a certain amount we're not asking them to come here to a meeting. We just want to know what they could provide and what they could do. If it's $40,000 or $50,000, I don't think we're going to be doing it. Explain that we have a very small but you know what to say. In other words, what I'm going to give you at the October 1st meeting which is next week is to say these are some organizations, these are some consultants, this is what they can offer, this is how much they're going to charge if they even have it. Or even whatever promotional material they have, website, whatever. Just get something. They do not have to come in. They've issued. Just trying to get a grasp of what you want. I mean, my sense is we do want to move forward on that. Yep. Approval of September 3rd, 2019 select board minutes. Is there a motion? So moved. Okay, you'll second, Mary? So moved. So moved, you second it. Okay. You're there and I'm not. Correct. All in favor of approving the September 3rd, 2019 minutes, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No, we've approved them. Orders are going to get signed. I haven't signed them yet, but we will. Correspondents. I included in your packet a letter I received today. Well, first of all, just to get one thing out of the way, I got an email from Sandy, being saying that the Village Center designation was approved yesterday. And the necessary grant applications can be applied for. And then the other one is this letter from John Rayhill. He just sent it to me for some reason, but I included your packet. He is opposed to the idea of installing a flashing speed indicator or two in Putnamville. Yep. And Mary, I don't know if you saw this. I could send you this email later. But basically, he's got some issues that if we do that in Putnamville on Route 12, although he agrees that speeding needs to be curbed there, it'll be all over the town. And that there are other ways of moderating traffic besides using garish flashing lights. We talked about that. Yeah, he's got some good points. Yeah. So, I'll raise my hand, but I'm not guilty. I've mentioned this to him. Yeah, I was wondering how he knew. I said, get ready, because the Putnamites are revved up about these signs. And he said, oh, wow, awful. I said, I just let her. He did. Yeah. Guilty change. Why is he a speeder through Putnamville? Is he a speeder through Putnamville? He hates the idea of the signs. He agrees that speeding is a problem. He hates the idea of the signs. And he also, he used to, but he also makes the point that, you know, how do we then say to people that we shouldn't have them in the village, that we shouldn't have them at the school, that we shouldn't have them here, there, and everywhere. They can come and represent themselves at town, and maybe we can consider that as a very, is really a dangerous situation over there, much more so than the others that. Yeah, but I, you know, his point is probably right that people are going to say. But we haven't improved any signs. No, no, we haven't. And we haven't, Sarah has contacted AOT about the you borrow them signs. And we haven't heard back from them. I mean, I would think if we could do that and try that for a while with no cost, that would be a good way. The hospital had these little ones, but I think was that the point that the town, maybe someone were putting it on their lawn, they'd be able to have them, but the hospital has these, what looked like they're just posted on to a sign that blinks that says, you know, the speed limit. So on Territory Month earlier, they now have the small signs. But that's a city road. It's not a state road. No, I know it's not going to get someone. Right, yeah. A lot of certain. I did have some conversations with a town police chief on these, on signs and about how he went about everything and they were expensive. He ended up with two of them, but he put his signs up on their post and the state, the speed limit signs came back to him and made him change the sign post to a breakaway post and then he's not very happy with that whole setup. And so he's suggesting we look at different ways of controlling the speed, rather than what the state wants. Well, or a different way to do the sign, for instance, we got easements from property owners and put the sign on their land, not in the state right away, would that get us away from permits and state rules? The state right away is probably on many of their lawns. They're so narrow there. It depends on the road. The state right away varies in width. It could be halfway across their lawn. They think it's their lawn, but it's a police state. You have to check on that. But I think that's a good idea. So one last thing in correspondence or under discussion. The American just sent me an article from WCIX. Are you guys aware of this person who is slated possibly to go into the middle sec, the treatment, the mental health facility down here in middle secs? Who is considered by the Attorney General's office to be now a risk of flight and danger. He's charged with bringing a meat cleaver to his, do you know this case? Yeah, it's been on the note. This is an apology, right? And so I guess they're just going to get this into the record in our minutes. Just say that the select board was made aware of it and that I guess they're going to hold up one bed for one more day. But prosecutors asked about the possibility of Gurung being allowed into, oh they said now the Attorney General's office says Gurung poses a risk of flight and a danger to the community and the community he's now and as of tomorrow is middle secs. Which of course it's completely contrary to our agreement and that they said that the prosecutor said the security is much less than the psychiatric hospital. I don't know why they just don't put him in the psychiatric hospital. Definitely no bed. So Peter, if it's against our agreement why don't we write a letter protesting saying it's against our agreement? Why the hell not? We could certainly do that. We could write a letter out there but it's going to be the same result. I know but the bottom line is at least we're saying if something to imply that's why people don't want to make deals with the state because they're with Reneg and Gurung, that's the time to protect the people in our community. I'm just saying we got nothing to lose. When I met with Al Gobiil who was no longer there and he as much as said to me we don't care what your Dan Permanent says we don't consider that we really had to get the permit anyway and we're going to do whatever we have to do. So that was pretty much I understand that but I just think it's good to have people standing up for why some community don't want to have do business with the state because they always Reneg on their commitments to get in there. I'm just saying. I don't think it hurts to dig out a copy of that permit and I don't even know who the new person is. It doesn't matter because Sarah will find out. Yeah. But it was the agreement that just followed away with us. Well that agreement was to remove the facility. Yeah well I mean they gave us right they gave us written assurance that they would not be dangerous people. And they said they would close it down but we don't have to raise every single element when we're talking about putting dangerous people in there. That's why I brought this to your attention to see if you want to respond in some way. Well here's the first question. We've been told in the past that we're not allowed to know who's in there. So the question is how can we confirm and maybe it'll be on WCAX in the morning in which case we'll know but we ought to at least make some effort to find out if he's really there before we protest. It's a public record that he is that they're considering putting him in there. So the Attorney General's office has said that this is what the Attorney General's office is objecting to taking him from behind bars and putting him into that facility because he is a danger to the community so they say we're the defense. They're saying we object as well and you know not only that but we have these fraud up lobby treatments you know. Isn't this one of those cases? I just think we should stand up for small towns who don't want to do business with a state to fail intranet. Isn't this one of those cases that the governor put pressure on the Attorney General correct to overrule this was the one where the state's attorney dismissed the charges. It's not winnable. The insanity defense is being used too often and called on the Attorney General's office to evaluate the decision and the charges were refiled. So if the charges have been refiled the Attorney General's office says you should be behind bars. His lawyers are saying he just he's anything he's just a risk for suicide and this is why they're going back and forth. So it's the same thing but you know I just since you're here and since by next Tuesday over if you want to just submit a letter saying you know the select board is aware of this and just wants to note that previous agreements that no one who's in danger should be placed in this facility and no one who's in danger of this community should be placed in this facility and we are reging once again reaffirming our objection to anyone who might be a danger to this community. Sure. One paragraph. Yep. I'll sign it. I'll write it. Yeah I think we should. I think that's good. Um That's exciting. Shit. Well the rest of it was pretty boring. No other correspondence? No. You mean discussion of email was boring? I think it was the Microsoft hand. What's it got into that Microsoft? It was really boring. Really boring. Well we just wanted to work and we wanted to be cheap. That's right. And safe. Update an upcoming November 5th election. I think he already did that. Okay. And other business the only thing I had on other business was an update on the red on situation which you already alluded to. Right but also I just want to talk to you very quickly about the meetings since we are going to have a November 5th election and I don't know if anybody is going to show or not. So we might have a select you know what to do. We have their next meeting is next Monday. That's you know a week first. A week away. And then we have a meeting on the 15th where we have invited the fire department to attend to present their budgets. So and then I don't know about the 5th so looking at that schedule looking at when Thanksgiving is at the end of the month of November do you want to change the October 1st October meeting do you want to switch anything around what do you want to do? So here's the trap we always fall into when we postpone a meeting then we end up having a meeting a week later that's exactly where we are now but I would like to I would like to try and get back to our regular schedule at least for October November I don't know what everybody's plans are for Thanksgiving but I'm going to be away I'm going to be in Mexico so there's going to be no calling in for Peter for that second meeting so how should days the 5th right so we can't have it then well I can't if nobody shows it's no big deal but my suggestion might be to just have one meeting in November like November 12th but that is also going to be a long time from October 15th so I don't know what you want to do we can just if we had a meeting November 5th there's a bunch of Tuesdays in October we could do Tuesday the 29th as well well Phil and I are not available for some of those because I do my bereavement group on the 2nd and the 4th well what Liz was just pointing out was she was saying that maybe we could do a meeting on the October 29th Tuesday October 29th and then have a meeting I don't know what you mean on the 12th and that's what Mary is saying she can't do, she can't have bereavement and Phil's got the central mont internet stuff we said Thanksgiving is the week of the 26th right last week in November November 19th that's what it's supposed to be it's a long way that's what I'm saying have it on the 30th or the 29th so the 1st and the 30th for I mean the 1st no October 1st and 15th for October and I'd say that we still could try to go for the 1st for the 5th and the 19th in November for the 5th whether to commingle the ballots treasure that's it and there's no like there's no money and there's no government voting politics so it's just that like there's no governor it's really just a tech no, no, no, no this is a school week another school week this is simply to correct a technical error but they show up we can send them upstairs stay with our schedule for October and November November were the 19th and what's the 5th 5th and 19th and then what about December December looks fine as well I'm leaving December 12th good they never come back we're free are we starting to work on the budget it would be December 3rd and December 16th 17th I actually think that's pretty good let's see what's Christmas can you guys, can you make guys manage without me on the budget team we can handle that we will struggle but we can do it I don't think I'll be at the one on the 17th that's okay yeah I just I mean I appreciate I was one of the ones who was gone last week so I appreciate that we defer at this time because I wanted to be here for this but we need to try and stick to our schedules so it looks like we've got three months that we can we can always change the meeting if we need correct we're going to talk about Radom okay just a quick and dirty skinny of the Radom is I got an electric monitor because we have to wait a while for the other test so the Radom just back up and tell them what the other test is the other test is a statewide test that you have to let sit for like six months and then you send it in to a lab and they return the results so the Radom reader I have now is pretty cool in the vault it's off the charts it's 40 the threshold is supposed to be four at the most so we've got ten times that in the vault however I've reset it and put it different spots around the room the Lister's office is absolutely fine if I reset it and I put it here and I keep the windows open I have a normal reading if I keep the windows closed over the weekend and keep it in the office it's over four it's like five so we definitely have an issue it's just coming from the vault and just sucking up the Radom and the question is how do you get the Radom out of the vault so I think what's going on is the Cinder Block Radom comes from the ground and it's Cinder Block so it's porous and the Radom goes right through the Cinder Block the vault's closed most of the time it captures so I think what we need to do is find who the Radom person is and get them in here in a typical situation in a residence or an office building or a commercial building what you do is you drill a four or six inch hole through the floor you put in a duct and an exhaust fan and you suck the air up from under the foundation and shoot it outside and that mediates the problem that may not work and of course if you're going to do it in the vault you'd have to have some kind of fire stop or whatever you have to do but I think in just thinking about this that possibly there's some coating that could be applied to the Cinder Block that would seal it who knows but I think we need to get somebody in here who knows about this stuff and tell us what we need to do because I don't think we should use to what are the effects of having higher than acceptable levels of radom cancer it's like cigarettes smoking a pack a day so it's serious I mean it's the good news is we're in the summer now windows open whatever but that's going to change pretty who knows what's happened quickly here so we need to do this ASAP have someone come in you can order someone I'm going to fire consultant whatever they were the same all all unbudgeted of course do you have a carbon monoxide tester in here and everything? that's got to be carbon monoxide I'm not too worried about carbon monoxide it's a deadly scentless cure if it was bad it should be dead by then I covered those cases where people just have fluidness and they die I don't have the carbon monoxide but this is serious enough we need to deal with it so where did you put the state one? we've been moving it around we've been trying to keep the areas in common rooms because if it is a real it's a public house can they tell you to move it around? like first right ahead on the floor you're supposed to put it right so now I think it's not high desk I put it at my desk which is breathing level yeah so it's nice in the meantime open the windows when you can keep the ball closed now hold my breath when I have to go in a file perfect you can get your way to get it we can better you should borrow oxygen mask from one of the airlines for when you go in there already any other business? so next week should be a short meeting yes maybe we'll have I'm sorry did we have a letter from Redmond? yes did I email it to you guys? I did I am the one that told him because he called me could you refresh my memory what we're talking about? he lives up on Notch Road and he's now in the class 4 section of that and he brought up this thing about the traffic is increasing because of the you know because of town forest and that type thing and going into the possibilities of upgrading the road to a class 3 for a certain distance so what I suggested to him was to start by writing a letter to the select board and we would go from there where is his house? it was right when you go to the trail it's up there on the hill I thought that's where Sky lived she lives with him it's 720 feet and his argument is that Joe Deanna basically has been a portion of the road Joe's going that's part of the issue there I talked to Paul about it Paul is not in favor of it Paul said it might be a better turn around for him up there at the top oh is it class 4 where does it end at class 3? where does it end at class 3? as you go down I don't know exactly well I don't know if that's where you should be parking down where they yes that's where we park he said it's about 720 feet how far is it past Maryland Hartford house way up at the top he wants us to turn it into a class 4 he wants us to turn it into a class 3 we would maintain it but I think that would increase the chances of people parking up there which he probably doesn't want well whatever it's going to we have to go through the same process there's a process to go through the question is whether or not do you want to put him on the agenda for October 1st and have him come in so you can consider whether to go through this sure why not because we don't have much of an agenda well if he I think we want to be careful about not giving his request too much credibility if he wants to go through the process he needs to go through the process right you can also I did tell him that you do need to see it if he wants to do it either the select board can initiate the process or a resident can initiate the process by getting 73 signatures right sorry so if you and I said this discussion which I nearly forgot about the sense of the board how the sense of the board would like to proceed so that's what we're doing right I would like from my perspective I would like to talk to Paul about this and take a hard look at it and then give that report to the select board perfect my other my other situation about this is I'm not sure who's been doing it but the residents up there have been upgrading that road without our permission and I put that in the email and that's a problem I mean it is how are they upgrading it, what are they doing probably just adding gravel or whatever oh it's widened it's a lot wider there used to be that used to be a goat path up there I mean it literally was a goat path and now it's a road and I never recall if they ever asked for permission to do that back there was a time way back I think when he built that house that he talked to I think it was way back then when they talked about adding a little bit of gravel to the road but I mean here again is a case where somebody gets permission to do it once and then they think they've got carte blanche to keep doing it and they've done it at their expense and probably would have given them the go ahead but the fact of the matter is they haven't asked and it isn't the process and we ought to set them straight on that one I did set it in the email I saw that I saw that but whether he's going to hone in on that or not who knows but let's follow the process Steve are you going to report back to the board on October 1st or do you ship it on the agenda I mean he's not going to upgrade that road this year anyway even if we decided to even if we decided to I would say just give me until the 15th so here's the other question I have which I think is going to come up as part of this is is that road right now close to up to class 3 standards in other words because my and I was going to try and go over there today and I didn't get a chance I will go over there but my impression the last time I went up there was that that road is basically the same all the way up the hill now so I think it is virtually the same as the road down below right now the only thing that I would say is I can remember going up there and like you said it was a path where I mean you were driving up the road you could not meet a bicycle because if somebody had to get off the road right so if they've added stuff to that road then I would suggest that probably the road isn't up to standards on the whole width of the road maybe the center of the road is whatever I'm just saying we need to take a look at that because it's going to be the issue is going to be to accept it as a class 3 road they're going to have to bring it up to class to revote at their expense that's been our policy so the question is to what extent have they already done that with or without our permission and what additional work would be required that's a pretty gnarly steep section of roads so what they've got for ditches what they've got you know who knows I don't know I'm going to go up there and take a look at it too I would suggest that we all do if we haven't done it before the 15th so did you have any impression about did you drive up or no I walked up because it says I mean I knew where to park and then they even have a sign there a homemade sign that says no parking private driveway or something so that people aren't driving all the way is that no parking private driveway where if you live yeah I don't know if it says exactly those words but it's something to the effect that please don't park in this area the parking is down below yeah okay but I mean that's the person who's written up the letter I assume so yeah okay and I'll go up there too and it's a little bit of a hike to get to the certainly a hike to get to the trailhead from the parking but it's really nice you should go if you like to hike it's not hard there's not there's no scrambling at all yeah I've done that before it's an easy five miles out and back okay pretty useful time for us okay good catch yeah thanks Steve sorry about that okay so we've now decided that we're going to declare the meeting adjourned