 I'm here with Pepe Ciare from the University of Unam in Mexico. He's here for a workshop. Maybe you can tell us about this workshop first. It's a very interesting workshop. I think it's been very, very successful. It's on the geometry of these crit actions. Somehow it brings together several areas of mathematics. One very important is complex geometry. Somehow the paradigm of complex geometry is to study what we know as a Riemann surface. And a classical way of getting Riemann surfaces, which comes back from Riemann and so on, was by considering what is now known as the hyperbolic plane, the upper half-cut plane, the complex numbers. And the action of a group that defines an equivalence class for points in the plane, the upper half plane. And when you take, consider the space of equivalence classes, you get a Riemann surface with a very interesting, very rich geometry. So that is the group theory plays a very important role in this. Very important. But also, when you have a discrete group acting, you have dynamics. And the dynamics of these kind of groups has played a very, very important role in the dynamical systems. The paradigm of homomorphic dynamics for a long time. And in this workshop there were people from many different countries? Yes. Lecturers from several places in Europe, Latin America, Asia, and other places and students from many places. A big group from India, several from China and Korea, a big group from Mexico, several students from Africa. It was a big group. It was about 50, 55 students. 55? And this was also partially supported by Mexico, is that correct? Yes. It supported the air tickets. They paid the air tickets of all the Mexican participants, so that made it possible to bring more people. And then thanks to the support of ICDP, we were here. So Pepe, you're not a newcomer to ICDP? No, not at all. I've been very, very lucky to be coming here for decades already. First in the early, very early 1980s. I had just finished my PhD. And then by that time, Jacopales and Christopher Seaman from England. We organized a series of meetings and schools on dynamical systems. I think I'm not sure now of the periodicity of probably every two years or so. And that's how I got more and more into dynamical systems. And not only myself, but there was a group of folks coming from Mexico. And that played a very, very important role to build what today is, the group of dynamical systems in Mexico. And after that I came... You were an associate? I was an associate. And that associate came to me in a very special moment. That was probably the time in my life when I've been feeling terrible about my mathematics. It was the only period after my PhD in which I was not really happy with my life as a mathematician. I was even thinking of possibly giving up. And then the support I got from ICDP by coming as an associate was fantastic. It really helped me a lot. Well, that's very good to hear for us. I'm glad it worked out. I'm very grateful, yeah. And then also later it was a staff associate. It was later. What does a staff associate mean? Maybe our public doesn't quite know. Probably I'm not even using the term properly. You have this opportunity of coming here for periods of time. And with the idea of supporting the very many postdocs that you have here. So you came, but also for your own research, but also for helping people that were here visiting. It was a default idea. And now you're director of the Mathematical Institute at the UNAM in Ciudad de Mexico. So tell us a bit about that. How is that institute? It's been very, very interesting. Mexico, there are things which are not going as well as we would like. It could be better, generally speaking. But regarding science, I think we are having quite a lot of support. See, I don't think we have never had so much support as we are having now since I'm around. Since I was a student. So that's not something one hears very often. No, I'm quite happy. Things are working in the country regarding science and mathematics particularly. We are having a lot of support from a number of students. Not optimistic about it. Some of them who came here to this workshop. And there are also some other initiatives in Mexico in mathematics going on. Yes, several. Well, one of these is a branch of Banff. It's Casa Mathematica, what happens, the name. So this is already a start. This year, this year, we are going to have 21 meetings this year. Maybe for next year we will have a scale of 26. And that should be, I mean, for each meeting we have 40 strong people working on certain areas of mathematics coming to the country. So that should play an important role for the future. This is, as you say, a branch of Banff in Canada. So it's a tripartite agreement, so to speak, with NSF of the U.S. and also NSERC of Canada as well as Mexico's Conocit. And the place was initiated by a painter. Well, not initiated. It was initiated actually by my institute. Oh, it was? Yeah. But then the former director, not myself, but the former director, he and the director of CMAT together came to this guy. And he liked the idea, so we started having discussions with him. This is Toledo, the painter. And something which was attracted to him and to Banff, the centre in Canada, is a very important place for mathematics. But also for art. So the idea of reincarnating mathematics and art in Oaxaca was something that was reappealing to everyone. And there's also a regional centre of ICTP, and ICTP, which your institute was involved with some teaching as well. Yes, I wanted to come to that now. Now, yes, I think we have, I mean, it's a privilege for Mexico to be hosting now this MCTP. It is in Chiapas. In Chiapas, in southern Mexico. So not so far from the other one, the other one is going to be in Oaxaca, which is the neighboring state. And I mean, it's clear that this centre is going to play a very important role in the development of science in the near future. 25 years, 10 years. And it's a privilege. And we are really looking forward to support the development of MCTP as much as we can. And of course, profiting from Canada centre there as well. So you sound very optimistic about mathematics in Mexico as a whole. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's very good to hear. Well, thank you very much. Thanks to you.