 I'm here at the World Radio Communication Conference 2023 WRC23 in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates and outside of the conference the host country has organised a radio communication exhibition and we're going to go and visit one of the stands at the radio communication exhibition and it's the Roder and Schwartz stand a long-standing industry member of ITUs. And I'm very pleased to be joined by two of the people here from Roder and Schwartz which is Kirsten Jutner who has been familiar face with ITU for many years as the focal point for ITU and also with Uwe Bader who as well is a very familiar face and we've talked to many times at different events around the globe. So perhaps Kirsten I could just start off by asking you why are Roder and Schwartz here why is it important to be here at the World Radio Communication Conference? Yes, first of all thank you so much yes very important for us as Roder and Schwartz signs we are very interested also of course in frequencies which we have to also take care of because of new technologies but also of the audience which we can reach out here so it's a very important event for us to to get connected and to show of course our very good and newest technologies of Roder and Schwartz. Thank you and and we're not just standing next to this chap here with the hat for no reason that he's actually showing off some of your technology here Uwe perhaps you could tell us a little bit about what technology we have here and how this can help the planet. Yeah we were focusing on the exhibition here what is of relevance for ITU in a wider sense for regulators but also maybe topics that touch the agenda items from the WRC. So what you can here see is a spectrum monitoring equipment so basically something you would start with when you are so to say gearing up your equipment to be a good regulator to do spectrum monitoring so that's a handheld monitoring receiver with the antenna to hunt down interferences mainly. Okay and you've actually tested it out at some events is that right? Yeah that's right that was actually an anecdote from the WRC 19 in Egypt where we had a lot of Wi-Fi hotspots in the main meeting room because you know some operator gave some free SIM cards and everybody was putting into their phones and had tethering on so the main Wi-Fi of the meeting was not functional anymore so the regulator at that time used this equipment to hunt down the interferences to hunt down the tethering hotspots and asked the people to switch it off to make the WRC going again. And can you pick up this this paddle here and tell us how it works? Yeah sure I mean this is somehow connected to it just open it. So this guy is holding it so this is a directional antenna and you basically do a triangulation of hunting down the emitter for example we do also trainings for the ITU for the D sector so we are part of the academy there and beside the theoretical teaching and theoretical lessons we also have always practical lessons so we hide a transmitter on our premises and then we ask the participants to find it to hunt it down so that's actually the real life of a regulator and they have a lot of fun with this equipment running around and searching for it and you know finding it at the end and maybe get the price. Fantastic well there you go it's very visual so let's perhaps walk around the the stand here and Kirsten while we're doing that maybe you could just tell me a little bit about how you've been involved with Roder and Schwartzen and your your essentially your cooperation with ITU and why that's why that's been quite a long-standing relationship. Well we work more than 50 years now together with ITU I would say even almost 60 years so from the very beginning and we are full sector member with ITU means we work with the standardization sector development sector and also with the radiocommunication sector and we cooperate with the ITU academy very closely together in terms of workshops with spectrum monitoring spectrum management but also we cooperate with certain study groups like quality of services which is study group 12 and standardization sector so we really want to bring forward and push forward also the capacity building and to support the ITU and of course to show our commitment to the ITU. Great so what have we got here actually this is very impressive there's a mobile phone that seems to be showing all sorts of broadcast images here and a great big box here what how does this work? This is our broadcast transmitter so beside a test the measurement and spectrum monitoring we also manufacture of broadcast equipment and here we have our new technology 5G broadcast which basically brings the broadcast world onto the mobile phones so free to air broadcast delivery can be so done in well in a fashion that it's very efficient if you have one too many distribution of media content we also have the possibility to initiate warning messages like you see it here it's warning for all I think also in an initiative that is well inside the ITU activities. Excellent I mean I had one the other day actually when it was raining a lot here so so that's and this is specifically tied to to one phone manufacturer at the moment is that right or? No this can be basically implemented by all phone manufacturers it's so the technology is standardized inside 3GPP so this is an open standardization fora which basically all mobile phones are working on so I don't see any limitation that it cannot be on any mobile phone in the future that's brilliant and Kirsten I've got to ask you because we are in a field that is predominantly dominated by men here so I just really wanted to ask you there's been a big push for gender parity here for more women to be involved in the technological and radio communication sector how do you think that's advancing? Well I have to say I worked with ITU now science 2008 and what I experience is a big change that a lot of women come into delegations and they keep up the work now and I I know about the network of women I'm aware of it within ITU and for myself I never had a problem or issue but I understand of course the position to say we need more women in this kind of field women in ICTs, girls in ICT but I still also believe it's a long way to go because it doesn't start just when you started a job it starts way earlier before and I also like to say that is of course always important that we have demands to support the women's but also the women's have to support the women's so that's what I yes would like to to say about this. Fair enough and Uwe finally we hear it's a very very long conference you're taking the time to be here so obviously it's worthwhile your presence here? Absolutely so this is really a place where we can engage with a lot of people out of the ecosystem of regulators but also we have network operators we have broadcasters we are talking also on device homologation so for example that's testing of mobile devices that they are efficient in the network so what is the best network if you have a phone which does not perform well so then you can build the best network of the world but you will never experience it. Well thank you very much for taking the time to to join us in this this interview and we hope you get a lot of people who come to the stand here and I'm sure we'll see each other at another ITU event very shortly. Thank you very much thank you for the time. Thank you very much and so do tune into our ITU YouTube channel for more interviews which we've got happening in the studio and from us here at the World Radio Communication Conference that's all for now but thanks for tuning in.