 the members of our military and all branches past and present living and dead and their families. Thank you for your service and your sacrifice. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Is there any public comment on items not on the agenda? Additions or changes to the agenda? I don't. I'd like to, I had put Steve's request down further in the meeting but it's okay with everybody since he's here and we're very glad to see you. I'd like to bring it back up to the top of the agenda and snowmobile season starts because I asked Steve. December 16th although this year maybe, well you can't, but it ends on April 14th. I checked with Toby and Alfred and I never got any complaints either that everything went well last year, no issues. Thank you very much. Yeah, let's put it here for snowmobiling, right? Yeah. We didn't lose everything three times in the winter. Right. And none of the routes have changed? No, they have not. And again just for those who aren't familiar with it, the list that's there, there was a number, the majority of those on there, are access trails for local residents who have snowmobiling. I can't get the main trail without using a little bit of the road so they're not main trails. These are not all main trails. They're known by Vast. Vast doesn't have anything to do with most of these. These are just for you. These are local, there's only two on here that are actual numbered snowmobile trails, mainly the County Road is one of them and then the other is a short piece down by Mike Bennett's fire down there. Oh right. There's a short section that we have to use down there. Right, because this is when you access the town road to cross over onto a trail. Yeah, we come down off the hill up above. We come out by the old Peking Schoolhouse and we have to ride the road over to the pack side of Mike Bennett's barn. Yeah. Then we get back off the road again, but there's no other way to get there. Yeah. Using that 400 yards of road. Yeah. And then of course the County Road. Right. Continue to probe at that, trying to figure out a way to. Have the landowners been cooperative and most of them have, but there's there's a night that's there. Right. Yeah, now we don't need to get into that one. We're just thankful we have as many good property owners as we do. Yeah, good. We maintain over 50 miles of turning out of cows in the winter. Wow. And we've had very good luck with that property owners. Good. We try to work with them. Well, thank you for your good service and and cooperating with landowners and the public if there's any issues. So we appreciate that. If there are issues, we appreciate it. If someone would let us know, we'll work with them. Yeah. I mean, I usually don't have a heard or I didn't have anything. We just have a lot more trouble with the road crossings. Yeah. The gluing equipment has improved and our operators matter. And we try not to get any snow out the road. Yeah. Sometimes we go across the twice and when we have when we come back to make sure we clean it all up. Yeah, I appreciate that. But if we don't, as I noted in the request, just have the healthier Toby let us know we'll make it right. Yeah. Now you're very responsive. Thank you. I'll make a motion that we approve the request by the mountain tamers snowmobile club for the 2019 2020 snowmobile season as presented by Steve Gray. All those in favor, please say hi. Hi. Any opposed hearing on your ready to go? But as soon as the calendar tells you, you are cute. Have a safe drive home. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Thanks. If anybody has any questions, please hold us. Thank you very much. You're marrying my best. All right. Next, we're going to need to get Jan Olson on by phone to talk about zoning. If you think we need to, otherwise, I think I've sent out information from the planning commission where they have a new way. The planning commission did everything the way they were supposed to. They advertised our report forum, the CBRPC newsletter, VLCT online, advertised in the Times Argus. No one from Calis supplied. They had four applicants total, two wanted mileage, and one lived in Ritegate and one lived in St. John'sbury, so they weren't even familiar with our community at all. There was another one, Ashley, I can't remember her, Ashlyn who lived in Calis, but she withdrew her name because she was a little bit rich. I think she actually lived in East Montpelier, somewhere on the line between East Montpelier and Calis. So she withdrew, and Bob Martin from Woodbury, who I had contacted before when we were looking for, you know, when we were thinking about that we were going to have to find somebody new, right? He has been the zoning administrator in Woodbury for a while now, and he was actually thrilled with the salary that he might get if he was the zoning administrator. And the plan is for John McCullough to work with whoever was going to be the new ZA for like six months, just to get the money with the ropes. If we agree with Bob Martin, he might get done, he might be faster because Bob's already read our rates and read the town plan. I came to the planning commission's meeting when they actually interviewed Bob Martin, and he seemed like he seemed like he'd be a good guy to deal with. He has a very nice resume. Yeah, yeah, and he's retired, so you know, he's kind of just looking for other stuff to do. So that's the plan, and the zoning, the planning commission recommended the appointment of Bob, and the only question I had, and I think, and I asked Jan, was when, what would be the effective date, and it would be like January 1st, that he would be in the position. And then I looked up about the statutory authority for who kind of is responsible for what the planning commission recommends to the select board, the select board appoints. The select board is responsible if, for the things don't go well, to dismiss whoever. ZA is subject to all of our personnel policies, so on and so forth. The term is for three years. I don't know if you have any other questions, or if you want to get Jan on the phone. I read over his resume, and I don't have any questions. I think he's qualified, he's local. And he comes... That was recommended by Woodbury. Well, and by the... Planning commission. By the planning commission, right. So even though, even though in the end we only had one viable candidate, it sounds like we have the one, we might have landed on even if we'd gone through a big process. Well, yeah. I think it's important to say that, because we want Bob to know that we're happy that he's here. Right, and we did go through a process. Yeah, absolutely. So we're, you know, we did our due diligence, or they did their due diligence in, you know, reaching out, and he actually contacted them before they even advertised to say he was interested. So I think we're, I think we're really lucky to find somebody disqualified, you know, right in our neighboring town. Yeah, I have not met a person, but I haven't worked with them. Have you? Yeah, okay. And if at some point you want me to put him on the agenda to come in so you can meet him, I can do that. But yeah, I'm anxious to get this done, but maybe at our... Well, maybe after he gets started and... Right, after his appointment. Yeah, after he has a couple weeks or a month under his belts or something. When we don't have a chance at... Right. Yeah. I would suggest providing him an opportunity saying if you want to meet with us beforehand, you're welcome to, because he might have questions for us. Yeah, he might. But otherwise, you know, he's not gonna be appointed effective January 1, and maybe we... Exactly. The only question I would ask of Jan, and you could probably answer this, because you're present at the interview and some of the subsequent discussion. Was there any concerns raised by anyone? No, he seemed really easy to talk to to communicate with, and if you talk to him, you can probably verify that. Yeah, no, he was very, very easy to work with, very responsive when I had questions and had a good conversation with him about the issue that I was working with. Well, and we expressed to him at the interview that we expect somebody to get back to a resident or an applicant within a reasonable time. We tried to put in a timeframe in you. Everybody, I believe, got the zoning administrator job restriction, the planning commission put together, because we want somebody to respond to somebody within, you know, at least a couple of days, and it's set up so that the zoning administrator can have their own line for folks to leave messages, and you can check that, you know, from home. So, I mean, I'm sorry to see John and Dot, you know, not be in that role anymore, because they've been doing it for so long, they've done a really great job, and I really want to make sure that our ministers like how much we appreciate what they did to keep things rolling, keep things on track. Yeah. So with that, I'll make the motion that we appoint Bob Martin for all of you for saying, particularly because of these planning commissions recommendation. Right. A point that's on the ministry for effective January 1 for a three-year timeframe. Is there a second? One second. All right. Is there any further discussion? There are none. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. I checked with Alfred. He didn't have anything for tonight. Since we're a little ahead of schedule, I don't see the maple corner. Can you hear that? The maple corner wanted us to do their liquor license, but I don't see it anywhere. It was, they wanted to renew their liquor license, even though they're in the process of selling the store, and they were supposed to leave it here for us to approve and sign, so I'm not quite sure. It's not going to pull it forward and through this because I looked at the orders and I didn't see anything. That's not it. No, that's directions to use the phone. Well, that's a good idea. No, she said she'd be on standby. They were anxious for us to approve it. His phone bill was here. Well, that's not here. Right. Next. So, Katie, can you let the ministry reflect that we're going to approve the maple corner store liquor license, but it's nowhere to be found or whatever you want to say that nicely? You could. Yeah, that's good to do. Yeah, I would make a motion that we're going to authorize Denise to sign it on behalf of this liquor once the document is available. It may be. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Oh, I forgot to tell you guys, John is out of town with medical stuff with one of his sons. Stop. That's why he's not here. All right. How about we do the why it healing letter of appreciation and certificate. Is that something we can call up? This was Judy's idea that we just sent him a thank you letter. It's a nice idea. Yeah. Yeah, it was a nice idea. So I have the original sphere on you probably already looked at them because they were in the folder and Barbara designed the certificate which is nice. Very nice. And then it's not costing us anything. So even if it did. Right. It's little enough. I've never met him in all the years that I've been. I mean, maybe he came to a select word meeting 20 years ago or something. I don't know about. I don't recall ever having met him. So would you like to approve this? And then we can I can sign it. Johnson asked to sign it. Yeah, I make a motion that we approve the letter of appreciation and gratitude for Wyatt Peely having served as the callous cemetery sextant for 20 years. Is there a second? Second. All those would be able to say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Here you go. Great. So we'll leave that for them to. Since we're jumping around a little bit till we get to 730 because that's when they're expecting us to call. How about we don't do the minutes from last. Who are you calling at 730? Fred Duplici and Sandra for the audit stuff. This friend had to drive from Burlington. So it seemed like it was a good idea to just let them do it by phone. Okay, you want to do the minutes of October 28th, I believe? You had a couple comments. I have a couple of comments? Yeah, I did. Is that the edit I made? Yeah. We're commas in there twice. Yeah. Thanks. Minor edits here. Yeah. To go ahead and get things out earlier. Sure, we made all the difference. Yeah. Oh, on the executive session, we voted to go into executive session at five to zero. And then when we adjourned the meeting, the motion was seconded, voted on and carried, and it was only four to zero. So I think we were all there. You go back to the top. John was absent, actually. Oh, so then they both need to be four to zero, yeah. That's funny. Did somebody walk up right then? So item 13 needs to be four to zero. All right. I make the motion that we approve the minutes from October 28th as edited. Second. All right. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Is there any opposed? Here is none. Done. What else can we do for two minutes? Chair up to you. Elizabeth Shed's horses are out. We're out again. I had a call from Dot Nailer that they were in her yard two days in a row, like last week, Thursday and Friday. One had a halter and one was in and out. Did Elizabeth get a call? Wilson talked to Nick and Leslie Ward, and Leslie Ward was supposed to call me, but she hasn't. So I might just follow up and call her just so she knows that we're paying attention. Nick and Leslie Ward are the ones that are the main place where these horses go. And if you remember, they were concerned because the horses were sick and they didn't want them to contaminate their horses and they break down the fence. I thought that was the bones. It's both. Okay. It's both. So I don't know where, I don't know where the bones live. They're on Collar Hill and the wards are up on Robinson Hill. Right. They're on Robinson Hill. I think they just make the rounds in that area. So Wilson gave Nick and Leslie Ward the phone number and email address for Elizabeth Shed's father because obviously nothing is working from our end and it's not, there's really just so little we can do, really so little we can do. Janet has introduced legislation. Has drafted. Right. Right. Ready for the introduction? Yeah. Is that what I was going to say? She can't introduce it until the January session. Right. Well, it's drafted. It's for by legislative council. So we'll see what they do with that. I mean, the main thing, and I reinforce this with Janet and you can have all the legislation, all the ordinances and everything that you want, but if you don't have a way to enforce it, they're a little value. We don't have a place to impound horses or other livestock if they're running loose. Where are we going to put them? And that's the talent. Right. And who's going to be the person to do that? It's not. Wilson and I'm sure Elizabeth probably don't want to deal with livestock and impounding them and so on. So it's, it's a real problem. And I don't know. I mean, I looked at the legislation that Janet had drafted. I don't see how I don't see where it's going to do much of anything, but we'll see. Yeah. The issue as I've come to understand it is, you know, they made some changes and it took away any recourse that any of the towns would really have. And even rescue organizations. Right. And it's that. It's a real issue. What were the merits of, so what did it used to be? I don't remember that we talked about this with Jim. What did it use to be and now we, what did we lose somewhere along the way? Well, effectively, there was ways to get law enforcement involved. And you really can't do that now. No, they won't, they won't do it. Because we've called the state police and the sheriffs about the situation with those of the Sheds Horses and they, nothing they can do. So I don't remember. It's not that they, it might mean it's not that they didn't, not that they lost authority, perhaps they never had it and just stopped presuming it. I see you recall somebody explained to me that they actually did make a change because it was falling on the state and it is one thing. The state doesn't want it. Towns have little ability to enforce an ordinance for animals running at large. You know, you've got to have a place to impound them. Somebody to go and pick them up, you know, you have to have a trailer of some kind to put the animal in. So Janet's bill basically enumeration of powers for the purpose of promoting the public health safety. And it's to regulate or I think so, but I think Katie put it in. The bill proposes to allow a town, city, or village to adopt an ordinance regulating the running at large of livestock. Well, we already, we already can do that. I mean, I thank her for her effort in trying to do something, but I don't see where this is really going to be very helpful. Do you? No. So we want to keep on top of that. I'm sure when this comes up, Janet will let us know so we can come and speak to the committee if it gets that far. It really, there really needs to be some way, some agency, some state agency, that when it's a continuing problem like what we have for the pigs in Orange, in Orange, Vermont that keep getting out and running loose. And something in the Plainfield too, I think it was. Heifers and Marshfield. Heifers and Marshfield, pigs in Orange, horses in Calis, chickens everywhere. Yeah, you should have been at my house tonight, but chickens all going crazy running around. You know, it just seems like there's got to be a way. What was it? There was something about doing like a collaborative. Is this the, we have to schedule to follow up? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, good to, good to know. Katie, if you could, if you had that, if you could put it in the folder, that would be great. I think it was in there. I think it's not in there now. I don't know. I thought I said it to you, maybe not. Yeah, I'll send you this stuff. I'll scan it and email it because this is Janet's email too that does some explanation. About bus tires. Okay. You'll see CV Fiber and Memorial Hall are going to come to the meeting on the 25th and part of the, I think that the Memorial, there's, I think there's a folder called Memorial Hall, isn't there? Because there's a letter in there that sets out the parameters by which the North Calis Memorial Hall Association has to do certain things in order for us to agree to release the funds and part of them is, part of that is putting together a committee. I talked to Stephanie and that hasn't been none yet because they were supposed to contact the conservation committee, conservation commission to get one or two members of the commission to be part of this committee. And there's a letter that the select board signed back in maybe two years ago saying, you know, what the requirements are for release of the funds and to my knowledge, maybe they're working on it, I hope they are. That hasn't happened yet. And they're also going to ask us about being tax exempt, you know how we do for like the element co-op and the music school. And there is the question I had is that building, as it gets, you know, worked on, the value is going to go up and up and up. And when you exempt that, it exempts the town and the school taxes. So we're going to want to make sure we know and we can probably, and we can find out what the school share is and what the town share is. And when I learned, although Jack, you can exempt it entirely or you can just exempt like the town share. So keep that in mind when, you know, before we get to the meeting on the 25th, and that's definitely a really good idea. That's a significant chunk of money. We might have to put you back on that. Right. We might, you know, to have a callous taxpayers have to absorb the school portion as well might be a lot at this point, given the increase in the school taxes. And not that we don't appreciate what they did and the work that they're going to do to fix it up and have it be a, you know, a wonderful building again. We have to think about the other piece. Well, and in a way that's the building paying its own taxes is part of the gift to the town. I mean, it's people used to get married there. It will go back to being a big draw. They can, they can rent it and have fees. Right. And it would, it's not going to, I would, I'm going to understand it'll be a challenge, but they can, they can do it in the town will be grateful. Right. And like I said, the other piece we have to make sure we don't want to not have them do what the select board requested as a means for releasing the funds. That's $50,000 from our conservation fund. That's a lot of money. Right. For us. So, you know, they agreed to do these things when they came to us to ask us to pledge, you know, that amount of money. So I think we need just to make sure that they follow through on what they're supposed to do. And do we have that? The letters, if it's not in that, oh, there it is. That's not a very big folder. It's outside there, but that's it. Can you, can you move it right now into the folder for the 25th? Yeah. Let's see. If I don't put it in the scanner a certain way, it goes in upside down. I've tried saving it with it being the other way too, but it doesn't work. So that's a really important letter for everybody to read ahead of time because it spells everything right out. And we did that two years ago? Yeah. Was it 2018 or 17? 18. Yeah. So that's going to go in the folder? For the 25th. So we can read it there. We don't have to read it. Cliff will probably like put the pages around too. School bus tires. I can figure it out. I can, I can. Yeah. Okay. School bus tires. Apparently that issue's been resolved. They're going to put snow tires all the way around on the buses. Yay. Yeah. Nice. They did. I guess apparently they didn't eat the school. They being the school administrators meet with the road commissioners of the towns in our district. And Calis and maybe one other town I can't remember. Did not subscribe to Roger Hill's whatever it is he does. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Notification of the educational system. Calis will now subscribe to that. And they wanted us to put in our highway budget the cost for Roger Hill subscription for the school. And I suggested that now that everything is unified, that the unified school district budget should include a budget line item for Roger Hill for all five towns. That's right. There you go. And they said that's a good idea. They didn't write back yet. She does not generally respond very well. This is she being the temporary superintendent. Interim superintendent. She doesn't respond or she doesn't respond well. Okay. That cover spaces. Yeah. She doesn't respond goodly. Goodly. Is that really a word? I think that's kind of not in popular use anymore. Is it? Well, like a goodly amount. Yeah. That's an old fashioned way of saying it, right? Right up there with. All right. So how about we, Katie, do you know where the phone we can use? I don't know. Yeah, I can do it. Both on the panel. That action is very important. Anything on the traffic ordinance? Is that ready? No, I talked to Al from we're trying to come up with a time to meet. Are you ready, Denise? Yeah. And this is Fred's home phone number? Yes. This and this will probably be an executive session after we get done with the audit stuff. Two items. IT and union. Hello. Hello. Is this Fred? Yes, it is. How are you? Good. How are you? Boy, you picked a good night not to come to Calis. Yeah, I'm looking outside even here in Montpelier. It's pretty nasty. Oh, I thought you were in Burlington, Montpelier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've heard all kinds of things. Anywhere's from three inches to 12. Well, I guess we're almost due. So yeah. And I guess we just need to get Sandra on the phone too. Okay, go ahead. Just a minute. Hey, Sandra. Game's all here. We made it. Oh, good. I'm glad you all made it safe. Hey, one quick question before we do audit. We were looking to approve the Maple Corner liquor license and don't see it sitting around here anyway. Do you know anything about that? Oh, gosh. I don't know anything about that. Okay. Well, then never mind. Let's move on. Okay. So Fred's on the ready to go. All right. He's here. Are you there, Fred? I think you've got to push the button again. Freddy there. Yes. You guys can hear each other. We can hear both of you. Is that as loud as it goes? Yes, I can hear Fred really well. Okay. All right. So how? I did not use so much. So that's okay. Well, I'll let them know. Yeah, we'll just have to. Okay. So you guys are going to do most of the talking anyway, I think, right? So I guess we should start off with the let Fred start off. How about that? Are you there? Is that better? We can hear you, Fred. Go for it. Okay. Do you want to let, do you want to know who's here at the table? Do you want to know which board members are here? Can you guys hear me now? Yes. Yeah, I picked the phone up. So I just want to tell you who's here at the table, Fred. Do you hear me? Okay. So there's myself, Denise Wheeler. Instead of passing the phone around, I'll let, I'll just introduce our base Sharon. When Fanon, Cliff Emmons, Rose Telchuk, John is not here tonight because he's in, he's out of state with his son on a medical issue. And there's Katie, Lane, Karnas, our recording secretary, and Jerome Lepanya from ORCA. Are you ready? Okay. So if you want to take it away, Fred, that would be great. He's saying, okay. Saluation of the investments in the cemetery fund. All the other funds are cleaned up, modified opinions. So that's the general fund, the highway fund, and the town hall renovation fund, and then everything else. So the only issue we have is that under modified cash basis, the cemetery assets are required to be carried out in two ways. You just sell it, it would be to research the virtual cost. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, Fred. No, I can, I can, I can hear you, but I don't understand what that means. Okay. So, come on, it's your own license, our license. It was just like cash. So that's why it's required to be kept at cost. And so the cemetery investments are marked to market, which means that they don't need the pure modified cash basis accounting. And so we simply have to tell you that in our opinion. We have to just say other than that, one issue, everything else is in accordance with the basis of the county you've chosen to record on. So when you say, so when you say original costs, you mean the amount of the original investment? Yes. Okay, now I get it. If people don't want to market back to that date, they feel like that it's more indicative of what they have to spend. And so when we run into a situation, we need you need to buy, just tell and we buy either the same assets or similar assets or, and it may be the reasons why you want to do that. Like if you have bonds that are having a good rate, you may not want to sell them because you're not going to be able to replace them with a good rate. So you really need to work at the situation in terms of what you're holding. But those are the two options to get costs. One is to literally go back and figure out what you paid or seconds to sell and revive. So I think I can, I know the trustees of public funds who oversee these funds do not want to sell and revive. They, they're very How can you tell you that you're doing it this way? Mm-hmm. That's what I've been really told. Fred and Fred, this is Sharon. We keep talking about the cemetery funds, but the, the, both the basis paragraph and the qualified opinion paragraph mentioned governmental activities. What, what are we talking about when you refer to government activities? Okay, that's a good segment. Page three, page three or four. Okay. So, oh, when we sell a single column. Oh, just because it's part of that. So that's why, but when I really, you know, what I like to focus on really is the fund statements which will start on page six, because the investments are a part of it. Because governmental activities includes the cemetery. That's the answer. Yeah, it includes everything. Right. So it's, you know, your highway, your cemetery, your town hall, all your little ones, all your, yeah. Right. So this, it's a total of everything. But the issue, but the issue, maybe I misunderstood you, the issue arises in governmental activities because of the cemeteries. So, so you fix the cemetery and. Right. So we'll have to get, right. So we'll have to be in contact with the trustees again and let them see this part of your audit. And he said there's both in the matter, right? Because of the cemetery investments. So if we, so if we don't do anything because you said this was just, you needed to point that out. If we don't do anything with this, every time you do an audit, you're going to come up with the same issue. Is that correct? That's correct. And if we. And so there's no. So what? There's no issue if we don't do anything. We're not. No. There's no, there's no, you know, there's no liability involved. I guess is what I'm getting at. No, not. Okay. All right. Great. Thank you for clarifying that. So now you want us to go to those funds because that's what, that's what I think the general fund, the highway fund, the cemetery, the town hall innovation, although it shows here with the end of the year, you have a lot of activity through the year. And then you're not made up of a lot of other funds such as, you know, lakes and pond versus pond, pond, other special revenue funds. We can look at that in the back. So we're afraid as well, there's a bunch of things. Is that based on, is that Fred, is that based on amount of money? I'm sorry. It's based on amount. Yes. It beats both tests. It's considered a major fund. Okay. That's why the, if you look on the next page, the renovation fund had like almost half a million dollars of expenses. And so they all need it because it's kind of a, you know, it raises the tax money up to the highway, which, you know, we'll talk about that, but the general fund is the one where, you know, the tax dollars end up basically. So your unassigned fund balance, it was really close to what it was a year ago. It was 318,000 last year. It was 311,000. Now it's virtually the same that at least September, 65 days or so. So you've got a good fund balance to make sure that you're covering your cash flow and your general fund and your other funds. And so your highway fund by design, you've ended up transferring any access to the capital fund. And so that's why that has a zero at the end. And then we have the other two funds and the town hall renovation was simply completed. And so that funds that zero at the end of the year, about $6,800. So pretty close to break even for the year. The highway is breaking even because of the transfer out of the 6,9559 that second to the last number. When it goes into a capital fund. I don't see, I'm having trouble keeping up with you on where you're at. You said 68,000 somewhere. I'm sorry. I'm on the bottom of page seven in the second column. Oh, okay. Yeah, I see it. The excess surplus in the highway fund over to a highway capital fund. Right. And we did, we did that through a warned article, as you know. Right. Right. More information on becoming more detail on your various assets and liabilities. So that's paid. So that's pages 18 through eight. That's most of the report. Yeah, that's most of the report, right? Yeah, eight through 25. There's a lot of notes. There's a very detailed note on your pension plan that's required to be a part of Demers. Right. And so that's required to be put in there because you share in that. It shows what your share of the liability is if you needed to pay what you want. What page is that? What page is that? Page 21. Page 21. Yeah. About the middle of page, your, your share at this point is 133,000. But because it's based on lots of estimates, but the biggest one being is the investor return where required to show that if, if, if the investor return is not seven and a half percent, what they hope it will be or assume it will be, if it's, if it's less than 1%, your liability is 226,000. If it's 1% better, it's 58,000. So there's a lot of volatility in this, but, but the bottom line is you're doing what you need to do. You're, you're funding it. It's a pretty well funded system. According to the actuaries, there will be enough money based on current rates to pay all, some retirees. Well, I, I, I'm a retired state employee and I just got something in the mail that there was an issue with the state employee's retirement fund. Do you know what that's all about? Well, that's not true. Okay. This is the municipal right. Yeah. The state simply bills the municipalities. So when they have an outside source of revenue, they've underfunded it, uh, where the, it's coming home to Roos now in terms of the amount of money that it's going to take off in terms of new revenue sources. So that's not the case with the, the first plan, but it is clear with the case with both the state employees and the teachers. Right. Yeah. Sins of the father. That's what they talk about. Well, and yeah, because they said in this newsletter that I got that they hope they don't have to cut our pensions. Hope is not a plan. Another strategy. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Sorry to digress. This is your budget actual. So this is the budget that was approved by the board, approved by the voters. You'll see on page 26 that on the revenue side, you did not bring in about 25,000 that you budgeted for various categories, a lot of them in talking of taxes. Um, however, on the expense side, you, and I'm looking now on page budgeted. So you plan to have the time the budget was out of balance by $1,000. You actually did 7,000. So it would on the expense side, it's in total, it's less than 2% on the toll. So that's, that's pretty close. And as I said, the in total of your fund out state is as close as the break even as I've seen. So that's good. So we did a good job. I said, so I said, so we did a pretty good job. Yeah, no, yeah. I mean, you know, I'm sure some of it was planned, some of it's out of your control. You know, like, you know, we have some time to eat up some budgets, probably with the only other people hoped, but the insurance was under budget by quite a bit. So I mean, there's, when you look through it, there are variances both positive and negative, but in total, it came out pretty close. Great. The next two pages are your hybrid budget again. If this one you look on page 31, the budget gave it to 800-2000. You took it a lot, but a lot of that are the various grants that the pilot probably gets you, call the grants, your roads grants, you know, all of these various grants that come in. But what it means is that when you look on the expenditure side, they spend more budgeted as well, but all in all, it's a break-even budget and they actually had $69,559 that number we saw earlier available based on the vote to transfer into the highway equipment fund. So if the voters continue to do that, this fund will always kind of have a zero balance as long as this surplus is because that fund will be transferred over. Okay. Next series of schedules, three through eight are all the other, the non-nature funds. And you know, on page 35, we start to see, so every fund that you have is tracked independently in your accounting system and has to be shown separately. So we have all the special revenue funds. These are funds that are funded by restricted revenues or committed revenues. And you know, it's here, we appraisal your conservation, trails, invasive species. So these are your grants and things like that. On page 37, oh, sorry. I was going to ask a question, but I think I'm good. I thought I had a question, but I, never mind. They are your capital projects. So these are more of the capital than capital and nature. You know, they're the town hall equipment fund, the highway equipment, just various that that will be used primarily for capital nature, capital items. So we still see your, then that gets us to the, Fred, Fred. So there's still money remaining in the Curtis Con Dam fund of $5,000. That's what it says on this page. Which page, honey? On page 37, it says it's $5,600 roughly in the Curtis Con Dam fund. Yes. Okay. And that's restricted, and that's restricted just for that, correct? We had the legislature, yeah, the legislature, I believe, I forget now what year it was, gave us like $20,000 or something for engineering, for engineering studies. Okay. Thank you. This must be that leftover money. It must be, yeah. Yeah. The report on compliance with laws and regulations and internal control that would have an impact on financial reporting. And we had no material weaknesses and the only significant deficiency we had related to the review and for general entries. And to kind of ground out everything, Sanders, that put in her response, which we agree with, we'll solve this deficiency. Can you tell us, can you tell us where we should be looking? What page and what page and where should we be looking? 41 now. Yes. I saw something in the management letter about internal controls. Okay. So significant deficiency was the journal entries and the record is not material weakness. Right. We had no problem at first, we'd have a second set of eyes. And her response should be bound like in there, and that indicates that we never come back to do their monthly work, and they will review the journal entries. Yes, we have that. She, yeah, she did that. Yeah. Thank you, Sandra. So that to us is a good solution. In a small office, it's hard to have perfect controls, but having that opportunity to have someone come in and do that, that's perfect. Right. Yeah. We have a plan going forward, so thank you. No, it makes my head hurt. Here's the management letter. It repeats the one issue, but we also then bring up other things that are more policy related. Yeah. Yeah. I've made a note of some of them. I've reviewed, yeah, I read, I reviewed your management letter when it was in, I made my notes on the draft, but we need a couple of policies. It sounds like we need a policy for adjustments to the books or original entry. Is that the journal? That's the journal, and that's the journal. Right. So we have a plan for that, which is NEMRIC. And also we need a plan for a policy for journal entries. A policy that requires appropriate officials to authorize journal entries. Oh, that's the recommendation. Okay. Yeah. And then we need a fraud policy. I don't know whether the league has something. They do. Okay. They do have a sample fraud policy, and you can revise it to meet the need. Yeah, okay. It's just simply saying it'd be nice to know whatever happens and we hope it never does, but that everybody knows what they need to do so that it protects both parties, the accused and the accuser. Yeah. Important, obviously, to have. And you don't want to wait because it's obviously going to give another dozen. Right. And that doesn't have anything to do with the cybersecurity fraud stuff that's going on, does it? Well, okay. Yeah. And then the other, the only assessment is kind of goes along with it. That's really understanding what the rest of you face. And we've seen, you know, some, like out in the California, which where, you know, I mean, that shouldn't have happened, but it did. And there's somebody, you know, ransomware and things like that, that they just understand, you know, what things are out there that are possible. And what can we do to the best of our ability to mitigate them? There's no perfect system that you do the best you can. And that's in the, and that would be part of this fraud policy? Like, like, Part of the fraud, well, that's the fraud risk assessment. Okay. So the policy is what do we do if we have it, the assessment is understanding what, what areas are we at risk and what are we already doing about it? And where do we, who does a fraud risk assessment? If you saw the examples, I think it's, you know, you go and say, well, we're doing a lot of these things, you know, we're, we're doing these things where we're giving out receipts where, you know, I mean, so a lot of you're going to be doing. We know who our vendors are. We, the board is involved. I mean, if you guys are, we know you are. So that, that's important. It sounds like that. I think it's, Freddy, are we talking about that? There's a table, like a audit tool that VLCT publishes to do this? Okay. That would be, okay. That would be really, that would be helpful. Okay. That would be really helpful. And we can, and is this from a town that has had a bad experience? That's way bigger than us. Yes. Yeah. So a lot of stuff we can eliminate. If you, if it's in a format that we can make changes to, we can just eliminate what doesn't apply. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. What you do, it's important just to document all the things you do. And then we talked about an investment banking policy that that's really, that's, that's, you know, the board and the Treasury getting together to determine what things are safe, what, what things do we want to invest in, what things tell we want to invest in. Just, just what is our athlete? He has a very good example of investment banking policy. Okay. And then the last is just reminding you about the investments if you submit your form. Okay. Is there more? That's it. That's a lot. That is a lot. My head's going to explode. Board members, any questions? I guess my only question might be to Sondra. Hello. Hi, Sondra. Are you there? Can you hear me okay? It's Cliff. I think you need to hold the phone. I'll pick up the phone. Can you hear me any better now? I'll use my announcer's voice. Okay. No, I don't have any significant questions. I can cover it with Sondra later. Thanks. This doesn't work out as good as I was hoping it would. We got to figure out that other phone. I think it would have been clearer if we could have figured out the other phone. Next time I'm in the office, I'm going to have Judy show me how to use it. Right. I'll have to figure out how to use it for the next time. Right. Right. Oh. Okay. So all's we have to do tonight then is sign that letter for the contract for the next three years, right, Fred? Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's, it's gone up a little bit, but you know, now that we've got, you're doing our audit for a couple of years now under our belt, it feels pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, just maybe there'll come a point where you won't find anything. Now what will you do? Yeah. All right. So, if there's nothing else, we'll let you wonderful people go and enjoy the looking outside at the snow globe. Yeah. You're welcome. Thank you. Thanks. Good night. Good night. Thank you. Good night. Thank you, Sandra. Thank you, Sharon, for letting us use your phone. Yes. Thank you. I understand how come that thing didn't work. Yeah. There's some other button that we didn't have right. All right. So I think overall, from what I could gather, we did pretty darn good. Yeah. And we did very well. And largely in part to Sandra and her good work. So let's have that reflected in the minutes to thank her for her good work. Thank you, Sandra. So with that done, would you like to sign the contract for the next three years? We looked at it last time. We looked at it last time. We decided to wait until after we spoke that we were good with the modest increases. I'm sure they're having increases in their employees' health insurance and stuff just like we are. So we all, we need to sign this all those only three spaces. We can just sign underneath it. So I'd like to make a motion that we approve the Sullivan and Powers scope of services contract for the year's ending, June 30, 2020 through 2022. I'll second that further discussion. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. And the opposed hearing none. I'll just, I think there's all double check, but I think there's only one place we have to sign. And while we're doing that, would anybody like a motion to go into executive session for personnel matters? So we'll, second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. At 816. Okay. And Keith is going to.