 Ten yards penalty because I hadn't made the video live yet video Okay, here we go Three two The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by listeners like me to find out more of the Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday October 31st 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me as she does most Mondays Veronica Belmont is on the on side On the side alongside. That's what I was looking for. How's it going Veronica? It is great. How are you today? I am good very excited to have Charlie Oliver founder and CEO of served fresh media alongside as well Happy Halloween guys. Thanks for having me Charlie. Thanks for for joining us We're gonna talk to Charlie about machine learning and why it's going to be very disruptive and AI is gonna do a lot Of good things and it's very scary, but we shouldn't be scared right Charlie No, we shouldn't be I Be more afraid of this election than of AI Partisan feeling At this point So we're gonna talk about machine learning in a little bit We got some top stories to get to first though Microsoft is gonna publish publicly launch its ift competitor Microsoft flow and its web and mobile app builder power apps on Tuesday, November 1st and now here are some more top stories Century link has agreed to buy level 3 communications to create the number 2 global enterprise networking company to AT&T Netflix and Google our customers for level 3. They use it to transit internet traffic and and level 3 holds 200,000 root miles of fiber some of it in cities some of it connecting continents So they they do backbone stuff. It's kind of an outdated term But I know that means something to some people out there Century link has 6 million residential customers in the US if you're an old quest subscriber They bought quest they run a lot of ISP stuff But they make 76% of the revenue from enterprise customers So the companies hope to complete the merger by Q3 2017 pending FCC approval I mean, this is a big enterprise level story And there's a lot of people very interested in it who are in this industry But I think for the average consumer the question is is this going to bring prices down and I don't think the answer is yes Veronica Yeah, I think they just make up the prices now. I think that's kind of how it works They just figure out how much we're willing to pay and just stick with that And then or they just add things to your bill and maybe you notice them or maybe you don't and it doesn't add another Competitor to the situation. It's it's something that is consolidating more business Charlie do you do you ever deal in that's that side of the internet with the these big backbone content delivery network people I Don't I have in the past but not to the extent that this makes any kind of sense to me right now because you know Again, like it's like Veronica was saying, you know, it's like when that Most people don't know or care about this and my clients don't necessarily understand this stuff I mean just getting it to even understand the front end basic stuff is challenging Yeah, I think the the thing to take away for most people is Companies like level three have made a lot of money silently in the background just connecting parts of the internet to each other and this summer for the first time level three had a Big slowdown in their revenue and that scared a lot of shareholders, which is why they're being pushed into this sale So there may be more consolidation in this business to come Keep an eye. Do they know what the other what's the slowdown for or why it's low down I'm just it's you need to have scale is from what I understand. You need to have more pipes than even level Okay, all right DC Market share to twenty one point five percent through total shipments fell six point two percent More than two-thirds of Apple shipments are the iPad and iPad mini not the iPad Pro Samsung market share fell to fifteen point one percent still pretty good for second Amazon grew three hundred and nineteen point nine percent year over year to take third and Seven point three percent of the worldwide market Lenovo and Huawei rounded out the top five Sorry for that spooky echo that crept back in there for a second Seems to have got away though. Yeah, this is this is not good news for Apple at all Apple seems to be wanting to say that we are going to have iPads Fill in the bottom end of our market that that was sort of indicated when they only introduced new MacBook Pros And yet they're not selling as many of those and is specifically not selling enough of these iPad Pros and The only company that is growing in tablets is Amazon and other companies are growing who are putting out cheap tablets and Amazon benefited from their big Prime Day sale I Have to say I used to an iPad Pro for the first time last weekend And it was really nice and I get it now Tom. I get it. I use one for my sound board I use it for for for mobile computing Charlie. I'm curious if you do you ever use a tablet on mobile? No, we've got Charlie muted now. So you're gonna have to unmute yourself apologies for that Yeah, this is this is fascinating though I mean it makes sense that kind of the the cheaper level or less expensive models are definitely starting to to creep up into the ranks Maybe it's just because having a tablet is no longer quite the same kind of high-end experience that maybe it what once was So I understand why that's happening. I and I'm also not surprised that the iPad Pro is really the one That's kind of lagging behind Yeah, Charlie. Do you use a tablet for anything? I do. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, we can. Oh And then it did mute it again somehow. I don't know if you're you're accidentally muting yourself. Oh Okay, it looks like I'm back up. I'm so sorry guys. All right. There's a ghost in here because it's Halloween. It's Halloween And I'm from Brooklyn so the ghosts around here mean Cranky So yeah, I actually do I don't use a tablet anymore Ironically, I just sold to that. I had that was sitting in my drawer collecting dust and they were Samsung's I guess They were okay, but I just felt like it was just redundancy. I mean my phone is fine. I have used the iPad tablet It's a beautiful machine. It's wonderful, but it's not something that I'm going to pay that amount for And I think a lot of people are there right now Oh Not good news by Apple though. Yeah. Yeah, definitely not last Friday We we got some good news the US Library of Congress put in force an exemption to the digital Millennium Copyright Act allowing users to circumvent Copyright protection in order to modify and repair their vehicles that includes your tractors. We've talked about that before Researchers can also report bugs to automakers without violating the law Which before if if they circumvented copyright protection to research a bug That was technically in violation and they could get sued by the company they're reporting the bug to This exemption expires in two years, however So either the Library of Congress will have to renew it every so often or the EFF is actually leading a charge to get them To make it a permanent exemption Well, hopefully they'll see that it works and that it doesn't doesn't destroy You know being able to actually sell software for for things like vehicles for example, and they'll just continue it anyway Yeah, no, this is just a notable thing especially because we've talked so often about tractor repair and auto repair and if you have to get into the software the Legal intricacies that you're dealing with just to fix your own car I don't think that many people are going to take advantage of this But I think it's good that it's out there as an exemption So I'm not the only one who thinks it's a good idea to that it that they will have to review it Ever so often every two years or whatever. I actually like rather it not be a permanent exemption. I Don't think considering what we have the legislative hurdles We have to kind of get over in the next few years with autonomous vehicles I don't think that we should set be set on anything I think we should constantly be reviewing these laws and constantly, you know updating them and editing them now If I don't know if they can keep up with that much You know turnover and constantly reviewing that's the problem the government can't necessarily keep up with that But I know I think it's a good idea to Keep reviewing these things every few years as we innovate more and more. I think things will change Yeah, I mean you can make an argument that making it permanent might preclude certain future exemptions from being considered. Yeah The Washington Post Jeff Quo posted last week that research from Harvard Business School suggests that Wikipedia Has become increasingly balanced in the course of its 15-year history The site has had its share of flame wars among editors and in the past leaned left, but has steadily drifted toward the center In fact Shane Greenstein Feng Zhou and Yao Gu found that individuals who post political articles on Wikipedia use fewer Ideologically charged statements over time the researchers analyze more than 70,000 articles related to American politics Edited by 2.9 million people now We're talking about Wikipedia which has its own manual you have to read about how to properly talk about the edits that you make Of Wikipedia. This is a culture. That's you know a 15 years old plus at this point It's matured. So it may not be representative of things, but my Hope I fall short of saying belief But my hope has always been that all of this Partisan bickering and sniping at each other and not just in the world of politics But in all kinds of issues was a symptom of the fact that we couldn't actually talk to each other before and now We're running into people with different viewpoints and that maybe over time we could learn how to talk to each other Here's an example of one situation at least where that seems to be happening And also I think too It's been around long enough that it's become kind of self-policing in many ways There's always going to be situations where there's going to be defacing or or you know trolling of Wikipedia articles specifically But I think that the the overall community has kind of matured to a point where they're looking for that kind of stuff And know how to fix it a lot better than previously right Yeah, this I mean to me. It's really interesting that I think I kind of agree with you, Tom And that this is a very isolated situation that probably is not applicable to any other site on the internet Nonetheless, I think research is fascinating, but here's the thing I Don't know I like the idea of looking at especially on Facebook where I think everyone I know has cut off someone or unfriended someone because of the elections because of fights with over the politics I Mean Something that I'll be able to kind of help us to do meaning mediate our discussions Because there's a lack of awareness on our part when we have these discussions in social media And I just had a like a knockdown drag-out sort of a debate on Twitter a couple of weeks ago And I never get involved in those things But it took one tweet that I said that was pretty You know ran it was to a friend and the community just kind of saw it and it snowballed and people made Assumptions and assumptions and it turned into big ugly. I mean I ended it but still you know I feel like maybe this is some someplace where machine learning and bots can help us we need help Yeah, I got sucked into an argument one time about whether AMC should have special showings for people Who want to use their phones while they watch the movies? And it's I mean, yeah, I granted that's that is a that is That is a controversial decision on their part. I didn't realize how So I mean it can be about anything and and I guess what I'm hoping There might be some indication in this in this Wikipedia study is that maybe there's some best practices in there that can't be ported Directly over but some things we could some principles we could pull out to say hey when you actually start to Realize that the people you're talking to are real you start to moderate your your Rhetoric a little at least that's what they're finding here. I don't know how to translate that but I don't give me some kind of hope I Just feel like Twitter, especially if Twitter, which is a platform that sort of I think by design Unfortunately, it's it it it brings out our worst cognitive biases it kind of I think by design a Platform like Twitter wouldn't even know what to do with that Although I'm really disappointed that they haven't done any kind of real research Twitter should be doing research like this about its own community. I mean Twitter is about ten years old a little more than that Why don't we know more about Twitter? Yeah, why it's not working? They're a design change Twitter could make that would that would it help moderate That we're doing a hackathon about that next month You go right into my trap. Yeah. Yeah through tech 2025 and it what spurred that was this Knockdown drag-out fight that I had that I didn't think was warranted and was kind of crazy That even celebrities especially can involve them. But yeah, the idea is can we build a better? Twitter either, you know through AI machine learning bots or whatever that addresses our cognitive biases that addresses the fact that we Don't know how to have this course on these platforms that we need to learn now. You know what I mean? So maybe I think there is yeah, maybe somebody can hack something up fingers crossed Finally Manuel Sebre and Ramos of Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization and Pinar Yanar Dang and Ayad Rahwan at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have taught AI algorithms to create frightening images by feeding it one picture of a zombie now the scientists fed 200,000 images of real human faces to the neural network which learned how to create human faces But they only had to give one zombie face for it to start to be able to modify images to make them scary And then they want you to help teach them what's actually scary and what isn't because some of them are just awkward or weird You could vote on them at nightmare dot mit dot edu slash faces And help the AI get better at terrifying people now the scientists say by teaching a machine To know what frightens people It can then avoid frightening people you're teaching it What's frightening and then you can tell the AI like now that you know what's frightening? Don't show those images if you're not trying I'm good. I'm good on this particular one Yeah, what do you like about it charlie? Yeah Well, you know what I love first of all, I am a horror movie a fissionado I'm a buff when it comes to horror movies. I can watch those Morning noon and night. So this kind of really Got me going and then it was interesting because I went to the instagram page. I'm like, oh, this is good This is gonna be good and the images obviously to me were not that scary. I mean I see scarier things walking down the street in new york city on a daily basis, but okay Okay, but I was really kind of fascinated by the fact that reporters were reporting on this as if to say This is not smart to do because people are already afraid of AI Why would you do something that would make them even more afraid and I don't know if they were just being Silly or whatever, but I thought that was kind of crazy. I like the type I think this is a way to get people involved in AI in a way that's fun and You know, I when I tweeted it out people shared it. They loved it Yeah, and it certainly catches people attention at halloween time It's the kind of thing that that folks are going to be more interested in participating in And then you're actually getting some some crowdsourced help into training that AI Which is you know, that that's always good to have that kind of participation Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You don't have to be frightened to do it Just get in there and vote on some stuff that people have submitted or submit your own stories at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com That's a look at the top stories Let's talk to charlie oliver a little bit about what you do one You had a great medium post earlier this week about the fact that people are Not as afraid as you would think of AI. They're familiar with it They're mostly afraid about losing their jobs, but it doesn't seem like anyone's actually Out there giving people the information they need to know to not be afraid of machine intelligence All right That's it exactly tom and to be honest with you. It's not just that it's that you know, listen This is you know, we're in a sort of a rebirth of AI or whatever you want to call it a renaissance It's it's an exciting time. I mean, I think it's I think it kicks But that people are excited and want to know more But there's like within any other kind of technology that's emerging. There's a lot of misinformation There's I mean, then you have people like, you know Elon Musk running around talking about robots eating us in 500 years and and and then you have the culture Of AI which as far as this country goes, you know with regards to movies TV Is it's complicated? We tend to like to think that robots are going to become our overlords because we've been seeing that in TV and films for years I mean, it's a grained in us to think that While they are wonderful when they serve us that they can you know Kind of change on us at any point and turn into these these beasts that will devour us But uh, but yeah research is actually showing there was research that was done recently about this And it was and that's part of the problem is that we don't have research on public attitudes about AI And so one of the things that we're doing at tech 2025, which is what I just launched is we are we are working with organizations to get more research on people's public attitudes About AI, which I don't think brands are aware of I don't think that the developers understand that People are really open to this and there was an impromptu sort of a informal poll taking out a microsoft event it was a microsoft Emerging technology events about a month ago and and the question was you know, how Open are you to AI and and how are you know? Are you afraid of it or something like that and something like 90% of the people who responded said? Uh, I want to know I'm really intrigued by it, but I just need help understanding what it is You know, so I think that's where we are Yeah, how do we do that if we were if someone comes up to you and says I want to know more about machine intelligence I want to know more about AI. What do you tell them? Well, I I always when people come up to me and ask me I always begin by asking them questions because I want to get to know who they are And I start asking them things like what do you do? You know, oh, what kind of you know, I ask them about the technology that they use and that gives me some sort Insight into who they are because if you can make it as personal as possible People go. Oh, okay. So they may say I look at the phone that they have and I'm like, oh What phone is that what are you using? Oh, you know, you're already using AI You know that that, um, you know, apple has syrian Do you know that this and that sort of gets them acclimated to the idea that oh, I've been using it all along You mean and that's part of the problem is that we've been using it But people have not been educated all along So I think it helps a lot and what we have found is that when we talk to people about AI in a very personal way and the AI that's in their homes and what's coming It it disarms them from any concerns That I think most of us would believe that people would have so that's the first thing and then the second thing is I tell them straight out. Look, I am trying to help people understand AI I'm trying to kind of force the conversations between the tech community the developers and ordinary people and business people about AI and machine learning But don't get it twisted. I'm not like an expert at this per se. I don't develop the technology You know, I start with hey, I don't really know a whole lot compared to some other people. I'm learning Um, I tell them that everybody in this space right now is learning even the experts and I think that's the thing people fear Not knowing and they fear what they don't know But I think if they understood just how much we're all excited about this and how much there is to learn You know, it would be huge but I try to get them out to events. So we do it through events By the way, that's a huge thing if you can get people to a lot of events And we do workshops and we do like we have an event coming up Like I said the hackathon is one thing that's for the tech community. But yeah, if you get people to events I try to get people to go to meetups. We do meetups as well It helps because then they can talk to each other Yeah, and they want to actually experience something directly Uh, you start to understand it more and you understand its limitations I mean, it's funny to hear on the one side people saying, oh, I you know AI might get out of control and on the other side Veronica, you've got people complaining like the AI isn't good enough. It won't understand me when I talk when I talk Yeah, I think charlie hit the nail on the head by saying that even the experts don't really understand How everything is coming together just yet I mean, especially in the bot space where I work There's a lot of misconceptions about what is artificial intelligence and and what is machine learning and what is natural language processing And how do these things all come together and how are they supposed to make my life easier? And you know what even even the big companies like x.ai that have you know, 70 plus people a lot of which are are you know scientists Neers and programmers are still having a hard time figuring out how to make their digital assistant Work in a way that makes it feel like a real human being and and you know, amy.exe Amy.xi and andrew are still not getting things right for a lot of people and I myself don't use it regularly because When you're scheduling meetings with people that's like a really crucial moment to get it right and not offend someone or piss someone off So, you know, there's still we have a long long way to go There's millions upon millions of dollars being funneled into these industries right now and yet they're still We still don't really know what we're doing And I think that's kind of magical actually It is yeah Hey, do you think I I've I've decided to sort of switch up my repertoire with how I Introduced the whole idea of machine learning to people who don't know there was this tweet that went out last week or a couple of weeks ago by Mike Townsend and it got something like several hundred retweets or whatever and his comment about He's I think the founder of uh flow tab his comment about machine learning was this this is his tweet Machine learning is like high school sex. Everyone says they do it. Nobody really does and no one knows what it actually is Well, this is this is amazing because I was at IBM's world of watson last week I'm hosting some events for them and one of the events we did was this event called cognitive college Where we're essentially teaching IBM influencers like how to describe these terms that are very kind of Up in the air and people use them sometimes interchangeably and nobody really knows what they mean yet exactly especially lay people But also people who are working in technology don't really know the difference between them And I've been asked to speak at events about our company like time and time again Where they're like come come talk about your ai and like we don't use ai we don't Don't even use nlp. We don't use that but we don't you don't necessarily they're they're not interchangeable They're not one in the same not every bot uses ai and vice versa. So it's it's it's still it's kind of the wild west right now Well, didn't I freak out tom when you sort of asked me? I mean, I was very flattered to be to be asked on the show Thank you guys, but when you You say hey, you know, I see what you do You know, it's really interesting and I would love if you would come and talk about machine learning and ai and I was like, wait, what? Anyway, like mind you I do this with people, you know, I mean, I do this with clients and I do this with people who tech 2025 but the idea It's so tenuous and mushy and you know, it's this it's all a sort of a mess, but it's a beautiful mess Uh, yeah, but it's it's that's what I need with and I talk to people People about this which that will do if you're gonna wait to feel comfortable about talking about this stuff You're gonna get left behind like everybody. This is another opportunity in history That has presented itself during our lifetime And we can all participate and actually in order for this stuff to really work the way it's supposed to the way We hope it will to deliver the promises that all these big companies say that AI will deliver We need to be involved in the conversation. It doesn't matter if you sound stupid or crazy You know, no, and I think that's that's that's important is to understand that Just like you could talk about computers in the 70s without understanding assembly language You know, you you don't have to understand All the natural language processing algorithms Not that if you don't want to go if you want to go down that rabbit hole go down that rabbit hole But this is something that's going to impact your lives So getting a little bit of understanding of it is going to help you quite a bit And that's like you say going to events and getting your hands on it and using it and downloading Apps and trying it out and seeing where as we've talked about it's broken and where it isn't I think alleviates a lot of fears and you start to understand how it can actually help you the more experience that you get Right not to mention the fact that this stuff is going to be in the future that the jobs goes that are going to be needed or required We'll have a lot to do with AI. You're going to have to be proficient to some degree I mean if you're going to be whatever you'll be doing I mean, I think and Veronica and I would love to know what you guys think But I think that this stuff is training us for how we're going to engage with the deeper Learning AI that's coming. I mean, we're at the sort of the press precipice of what's to come. So, yeah We need to go to high school eventually so After having all that sex Colleges coming folks start to get familiar with your AI Exactly exactly Well speaking of Yeah, go ahead Charlie No, no, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no carry on. I was just about to move us to our final thing of the day So if you got one more thought, yeah, no, no, that's it I was just going to say in terms of in terms of machine learning and AI. I mean, like you said, it's also complicated and What I I try to tell people is that the easiest I wouldn't say the easiest probably the most the friendliest way to be introduced to Hands on AI and I tell people get in and get your hands dirty is through bots You know, and I tell people anyone today can build a bot. I don't care who you are I don't care how little or how much education you have the platforms that are being built has have truly democratized Developing this technology. So get in there. Get take some classes online I mean god, there's so many great classes and machine learning of all in all levels You can go theoretical or you can go technical but Make a make a commitment to building a bot and give yourself a bot by date Like by this date. I want my bot finished, you know and make it six months three months or whatever But it'll be it's fun. So give it a shot and try to draw, you know, bring some people in with you Absolutely 100% agree In fact, our pick of the day is is not about bots particularly or intelligence Machine intelligence, but scott from Iowa Wanted to send a pick of the day your way He goes to kirkwood community college in cedar rapids, iowa and he writes i'm the president of our cyber defense club That that is now a thing apparently in school. So cyber We will be heading to iowa state to compete as blue team in the cyber defense competition The top three teams get to go to the national competition in the spring For a complete and compete at the university level I thought this type of event would make for a good pick for any students that are listening in the audience This competition is one of the best learning experiences i've had It also looks good on a resume if you have the chance to take part in one of these red versus blue competitions I highly recommend it and he's like you don't have to be a student You could still take part the red team often needs volunteers If you don't have the skill for red team, you can be on the green team They're always looking for people to act as the end users He says the scenarios for the competition are getting more interesting in the last few years They've been adding phones so that the blue team can take calls from the green team The average users and perform common tasks like unlocking accounts resetting passwords I really appreciate this aspect because as the dts audience is well aware People are far greater threats than anything else Last spring in the national competition. They added a skater network Skater is the control system that's in charge of most of our infrastructure And often is derided for having no security or default passwords, etc So I just wanted to share this with some people that might actually be interested In talking about this sort of thing also He said if you mentioned this to darin kitchen and the rest of the hack 5 gang I'd like to basket the warmth of their approval So there you go scott. I'm sorry darin's out of the show today, but i'll pass this along to him as well And you should check it out cdc dot i s e a g e i s e age dot org If you're interested in that sort of thing Very cool Send more picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks too soon We are at the end of the show, but charlie. Thank you so much for joining us You're welcome. Thank you guys for having me. I love you guys I learned a lot from you and from the community. So yay Hey Good to have you on if folks want to find out more about uh, the events you do or any of the other things you do Where should they go? So you can go to tech 2025 tec 2025.com and there's a listing of events. We have a Two of the several events coming up events on cyber security and we have one this week on Clinton and trump's technology innovation policies We're kind of kind of go deep on that and then i'm headed out to um, the tecanomy conference where there'll be mark zuckerberg and uh, red curts while i'm on a bunch of other awesome people talking about uh, a lot of what we just talked about just now And i'll be covering it and live tweeting it. So um, you can go to the page and see it and yay And follow me on twitter at it's complicated It's complicated Yeah, like i yeah, like no It's that my life is complicated, but my but your twitter handle is not Twitter.com slash it's complicated. Thank you again charlie. Thank you so much guys Veronica belmont, uh, you have lots of resources people can use to learn about about bots I do. Yeah, you can check out a bot wiki.org if you want to see some tutorials on making your own bot Like she said, it's super easy. There's tons of different ways you can do it And if you want to jump into a community of bot makers and enthusiasts head over to bot makers.org We make it really easy to remember that stuff And if you work for a big company or a small company or and use slack and you want to test out the bot that I work on It's called grow bot and you can download it at the slack app store Thank you everybody who makes the show possible daily tech news show dot com slash Support is the place to go to find out more about that and a huge thanks to every single one of the people in our audience Who supports us on patreon patreon.com slash dts If I can beg your indulgence to ask one more thing audience We're putting together our best of 2016 show that will air at the end of december So if you have a particular moment you loved from this year, let us know about it bit.ly Slash best of dts Our email address is feedback and daily tech news show dot com. We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alphankeek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with scott johnson because this week's all all weird by schedules. We'll talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Hey good show Oh my god Through through technological fires Oh, you guys you guys rock. I tell you thank you just like made my week. Oh good I was very nervous. I was very very nervous. Yeah, great. You couldn't tell You're gonna go hang out with mark zuckerberg and stuff. Why are you nervous about being with us? No, because I learned so much from you guys that Well, thank you Yay Well, we always hang around and we name the show and stuff, but I know you're you're busy. So Please take off whenever you need to but thanks again charlie. It was great having you on Yeah, it was awesome. Thank you so much. Um I guess by I would love to stick around but Yeah, stick around No, no, it's my way of saying I don't want to impose on your time Yeah, don't feel like you Yeah, if you want to stay you're a more than welcome to stay. We just don't we okay. Awesome. Oh good. Good. I'm glad Then you can help us. I picked my favorite. Oh, all right. So my favorite so far is ghost in the machine by boo oh cow Okay Ghost in the machine, but is it didn't we use that one before did me? I think so, but um top is open the podcast bay doors How I for one followed up by I for one welcome our robot overlords Uh third is AI not afraid of no ghost get it. I Yeah, um ghost in the machine the one Veronica liked bought by date Uh for and then what goes and it's binary in the night for bump Um, what else do we do? It's so funny today. It's super funny Yeah, it's good. I like it. Love it. Love it. AI is AI right. All right. AI right. Iight You like ghost in the machine because it's halloweeny. Is that it? Mm-hmm Makes sense I have no favorites Charlie, do you have a favorite? Well, they're all good if I can be diplomatic But ghost in the machine because it's halloween and I love that the reference I think we have a unanimous cool Ghost in the machine it is I'm surprised no one came up with zombie anything. I guess zombies are over and done with, huh? Yeah, maybe that's the indication Zombies have jumped the shark We need that we need you or a newer or an unoverused horror Theme thing they're all taken like vampires is over zombies had done. Um I think when when vampires became young adult I stopped following All right, I have to get back to work myself. Okay. Thanks, Veronica. Thanks Yeah, you too. Hopefully I'll see you at some AI events or something in the future. I hope so Bye guys Yes, it's thanks everybody for watching. I'm gonna stop the broadcast now. Okay