 So should we just launch into it ladies? I'll introduce everyone and then let you just say a bit about yourself and we'll launch into whatever we want to talk about. We're feisty. Spicy. Yes, yes. So we've already started. Good afternoon everyone. Good morning. We're all over the globe. I am really looking forward to this conversation with this amazing group of ladies. So we have got Bryce from Esoteric Atlanta. We've got Cindy from Sacred Garden and we have got the lovely Chantel who I'm so honoured to be speaking to you for the first time today from Aquarius Rising Africa. So how are you all doing ladies? Really, really good. Yeah, on the opposite side of the globe from where you all are. It's really good. Yeah, having a great time. Times are crazy. Energies are wild. But we're doing good. What can I say? So good to actually meet you all and you know just with this wonderful Zoom connections we have and meeting our tribe across the globe. It's wonderful. So a real honour to be here. Thank you so much. It's so great to meet Cindy. How are you doing today? I'm doing pretty good. But I do agree that the the energies are definitely they're they're becoming more and more potent. I actually just made a video with another friend of mine talking about receiving all these like these activations, these downloads that people are receiving that are just much more available to folks than they were before. And while you receive them though it can feel a little wacky. You don't really know what's happening but it can feel a little a little crazy. It's like this new earth these new they're new earth activations and downloads that are happening and taking us on like but it's taking us on on that path back to ourselves. And like you were talking about Bryce or you know just awakening awakening how it's time for us to show up on this like this new earth timeline. But yeah, I mean I feel there's so many people that I've been talking to that really feel that right now. Yeah, for sure. And that's what we kind of talked about last week was this idea of discernment as well. And I think you're right. I think the four of us here before this started all worked on ourselves and I'm grateful for that because I feel like I personally did a lot of work through yoga not knowing that this great awakening was coming but just working through my own trauma working through my own thought process realizing that my own thoughts it's interesting on my channel where we're reading through the yoga sutras again I was telling Sunday on Sunday and you know I know Shanti and we read the yoga sutras all the time but I am actually now reading Sri Swami Satish Nanda's commentary on it which I haven't done in a while and going back and rereading the commentary because yoga is all about your own mind and how your mind is such a can be your greatest enemy but can also if you learn how to use the mind as a tool it can be your greatest ally to help you grow and like Sri Swami Satish Nanda has an example of like the way we perceive something for example he you know and I love the way the Indians say things because it's so simple you know they're just very simple and the way they say stuff and it's like oh yeah you know us Westerners we try to make things complicated sometimes um you know if you're a little boy and someone knocks at the door and you run and it's a man standing there and you've never known this man you don't know he's a stranger to you so you call for your mom your mom comes out and it's her long lost husband your father all the sudden now your perception changes of the man he's now daddy the man didn't change your perception of the man change and I think what's happening now because I know Catherine and I were talking about how we're feeling a little bit wobbly and I know I've gotten an interesting comment this morning asking me to be accountable for for Dallas on the second which I didn't go to Dallas I wasn't in Dallas you know there was supposed to be something that happened what we've heard this a lot and my whole thing is I take everything with the grain of salt anyway because my faith isn't in human beings my faith is in the universe and God that and the and the fact that we're moving into an age of Aquarius that's astrological it's prophesized and so I think what's what's concerning and what's really interesting I'm so glad we're talking about this is if you are waking up if you are on the process of like realizing that the matrix is an illusion and is crumbling you can't then continue to rely on somebody else to be your leader you have to be your own leader you can't yes we are extremely grateful to the good the good guys will say to what they've done works I was telling Catherine if I ever got a chance to meet them I would probably cry and hug them for taking on that responsibility especially having to do I think we have to say the young people now I don't see think the ch word is allowed the young people the small tiny humans what they've taken on that's amazing and I am so grateful that they were strong enough to do that but at the end of the day in your own personal life you have to take responsibility I take everything with the grain of salt even my own shows even the stuff I research I take with the grain of salt and I say that sometimes like I don't know this is just what's available to us this could be wrong but this is what I found and as truthers our content creators whatever we're just trying to share with everybody what we found so we can grow together but at the end of the day you can't blame anybody for it because something didn't happen I know Janine says that like if you want something to happen then make something happen find something to celebrate each day find something about your life I was thinking about this the other day like even though we're not at the end of the the destination yet we're still on the journey I you know as an American I'm sure that this is true all over the western world we have these social security numbers this is our identity you know if somebody steals your credit oh well too bad we have to make all this money we have to pay these bills we have to get this education and that little paper you get at your birth has your name been big bold letters meaning that you're now owned by this franchise and it causes so much depression and anxiety in people but one of the most freeing things for me through this process is watching that dissolve that that all the sudden has no power over me anymore that piece of paper that number I don't know that's not me that's not who I am and in my own life that is something I'm so grateful for every day that even through the practice of yoga that was still something that was really indoctrinated in me to be to do this to get this education to get this job to have this much money to have this car and the fact that we're watching we're the lucky ones that were able to be awake for this to watch this system dissolve and and and how freeing is that so instead of really being mad because something didn't happen on this particular date just sit back and settle into it for a minute you know I don't know anyway yeah I mean I start to stop before Chantel and Cindy joined via tonight I was just just saying you know I was a little bit wobbly today and I was thinking why was that and I think probably what you were saying Cindy's possibly some ascension symptoms I haven't been feeling great the last 24 hours not ill but I can't really explain it I feel weird a bit nauseous a bit of color a bit a bit floaty is the only way I can sort of describe it sort of not quite in my body properly which is really interesting my animals are still reacting fine to me they're not noticing anything too weird yet so that's always an encouraging sign but also I've had so many conversations over the last 24 hours with other people a bit like you experienced in Bryce where you've had a comment saying you know you're responsible for what did or didn't happen in Dallas and and we're seeing this over and over again this projection of people saying well you said this was going to happen on this date and not even at me at other people and I'm just thinking good have we learned nothing over this last year really are we still having those conversations where we're saying it's your fault because you told me this and it didn't happen where's the ownership where's the I'm gonna get off my backside and change my own life and I think I was just a little bit shocked disappointed the whole ways of a moment and I'm thinking my goodness are we still at this point as you know if a general level of awareness where all people are looking to do is project the blame on someone else and have someone do it for them fix their life for them I think that's part of our each of our personal awakenings and part of our like ascension is is that yeah no one is really responsible for for saving us and it's so much easier to take that to take that mentality to wait for something outside of us to happen for us to finally feel like we're okay um last time I think we were talking about how when you hit on someone's foundational root their mood or their root chakra their sense of safety you know how that immediately takes them into the realm of fear and when you get into the realm of fear you lose that discernment and it is so much easier when you're in that in that space to want someone to be your knight in shining armor to pull you out of that and to save you from the world and because it's a very unsettling feeling and if we haven't quite anchored the um like anchored into our own power then that's you know you know I think that's a human nature thing too we tend to want to to reach outside of ourselves to find that that knight to to save us when in fact just the awakening process in general whether you're on this new earth timeline or whether it was two or three thousand or four thousand years ago the the the awakening has always been the same like none of that has changed it comes back to to you know yourself and taking ownership and taking responsibility that has been the case since the beginning of time I think for you know for for humanity waking up so that's that's never really changed but I think it's just really bringing up to the surface how we tend to want to be saved yeah I definitely agree with that I think that I mean personally I've been under some hectic attack as well um uh on social media especially I mean in other places but we'll just keep it to social media right now um and you know I like to think that in these very trying times as as someone who who practices sacred alchemy um to understand that every every negative is a positive waiting to be discovered or rediscovered you know and that's where the growth lies so for me it's it was amazing how uh two days ago three incidents occurred in quick succession that really annoyed me um it was amazing how the fall for the time I was able to move through that annoyance without reacting and like maybe two or three or four minutes later then I wanted to react but what I what was amazing then is that I'd actually given myself the space between my normal knee jerk reaction to certain things and then to be able to give myself the space just to think about and feel before my knee jerk reaction then came so it gave me that moment of perspective and you know and that's what we call I mean you know when we talk about the kriya yoga kriya yoga is the is the three step yoga to transformation and you know the first step is really just if something really shitty happens to be able to say in that moment thank you I don't know what this is about but thank you and just that realization of there's a greater gift through this experience is where the alchemy lies so you don't have to know what the answer is in that moment or which direction to take because when you give yourself that moment of grace so to speak you then able to redirect your energy and your thoughts and then move in a direction that is more constructive as opposed to destructive and from there you then create a better outcome so it really is that moment of just checking in with yourself because I believe our enemies or so to speak are really what did I think I posted something on Facebook today is saying that your um difficult people are really your spiritual teachers in drag yep and I want to tell you that was so notice how fair boy but it's wonderful to be able to see where am I reacting what am I reacting to why am I responding in this way because every person and every situation is a mirror it is a moment because you would not be attracting that person or that situation into your space because it is always us who creates our reality and attracts it you would not be you would not be attracting that situation into your life if there wasn't something to be learned so the tougher the challenge or the more it grates on our nerves like ah is it that you know nails to a chalkboard or sort of sandpaper to your nerve type feeling it's that moment where we just got to stand still silence our mind and you know and this is where the yoga comes in because our breath in our mind are intrinsically linked so when we just decide to actually sit down and breathe even though every cell in my body wants to run and attack or or or react or freeze up or fight or flight you know um in that moment just to be present with yourself and just to breathe and just ask for clarity and it comes it really does and that's exactly the thing you know we talk about being sovereign that's what gives us our sovereignty is the ability to connect in these very very um challenging situations i'm trying to think often the word in yoga equanimity as well you know where you're able to be to be quiet in a in a stormy place so to speak so you you are that quiet place it's like when the roots grow deep there's no need to fear the wind so you tune in to your support your your your what you know to be true what is giving you your solid foundation and a healthy tree always has a solid foundation so it's about that beautiful space of just knowing i'm supported knowing i have all the tools within me and to breathe because you know whether we to breathe ourselves through it because that opens up the pathways of where we need to follow or need to to direct ourselves because whether we choose to to acknowledge it or not i think a lot of us sitting here doing these kinds of things talks podcasts um at this time yeah we take a lot of slack but at the end of the day let us never forget we've chosen to be here and we've chosen through our conversations to to open pathways so that others who who who resonate with what we're saying will then also take a path you know and walk alongside and in so doing it's the momentum but it is challenging in the beginning very we've got to have nerves of steel i think i love that when the roots are strong the tree doesn't need to know it for fear the wind i love that yeah absolutely you blow off those leaves the tree knows hey baby i'm growing them leaves again and i've got them bloomers coming and i'm bearing fruit soon oh it has faith it has courage and faith yeah totally that's how we learn from nature you know when we look at nature it's how we we have so much to learn from nature and to see we just look at nature i mean how did you know god created us with a thought oh the seed sir the seed starts with this teeny tiny little thing that in the right environment flourishes into this amazing tree or flower or whatever bush whatever you know the more you give it what it needs the more flourishes it's so fascinating because i think i'm the only one around this table who's not a yoga practitioner but everything you were saying there is exactly the same for anyone who's got a close connection say tape with horses so i spent a lot of my time with horses interesting the more time i spend with them now the less i choose to ride them and the more i choose to spend time walking out with them or doing things which is which is really interesting but it is that strong foundation and when you're with animals the power of your breath to tune into each other and calm down and they can pick up things so many things and you can instantly alter their energy by altering and your own energy by altering your own breath and about the power of nature and i work with something called supharma cognosi which is animals self-medicating it's just one of the areas i work with animals but it's so potent i think it's so key to what we're all experiencing in this time is trusting those innate instincts within ourselves to know what's right and good for us as an individual at this time so when animals are self-medicating they're looking at what salts plants herbs trees mugs clays etc they're going to need what their body needs right here right now because one man's poison is another man's medicine depending when you need it and i think this is a sort of part of the journey we're all going through now is every single person is an individual and at a different stage so what i might need today might be different to what you need today brice but it's that recognition and then going out and getting it for ourselves and sort of then then you move on to the next stage and you've gone through that level of healing onto your net so just really struck me when you were talking in shanty about i was think well i don't know a lot about yoga i've done very basic yoga but it's exactly the same as say when you're riding or working with a horse you know a lot of the principles that you were saying i think the principles of yoga yeah i see that like people who are long-distance runners i mean you can find the actual suck because yoga is a science i mean patan jaleen was a scientist and he wrote these sutras like what five thousand years ago because so it shows you how we as human beings have been struggling with this for a very long time but um you know the interesting thing about the breath and what my teacher in india tells us all the time and it's so true your breath is connected to your nervous system and so when you hold your breath that's something that you can if you if you're totally not if you're foreign to to actually being inside your body and taking accountability that's something that's where you start that's where you end what is my breathing like and we in our yoga practice with the posture practice the asana that people think of when they see yoga that's just one side of it like in the form of yoga i do ashtanga which is very challenging they're challenging postures intentionally to trigger you intentionally in a very controlled environment so it's not dangerous with the right teacher and you are supposed to then be able to watch yourself within that very scary situation with the body like pulling your leg behind your head catching your legs in a back then it brings up all sorts of of thoughts and within the people and you can feel that their breath is the first sign that something is calm and so when we feel that happening it's like calm your breath down so the nervous system can then respond properly to the situation at hand and then of course you take that lesson and you apply it in your life because yoga isn't a sport my teacher in india makes fun of us uh because we put pictures of ourselves doing handstands on instagram and he's like using Cirque du Soleil they do it better like what are you doing you're a yoga student don't put don't do that you know like you're this this awesome this posture practice is simply your tool it's just your tool it's your i love this one he's unpaid just the best like they do it better than you what do you get off of instagram like your handstands aren't that great it's just a tool for you they get paid do their handstand you don't you know so so you know if you look at it that way when we when we come into life as shanti was saying anything that triggers us you know we're taught by the narrative today don't be triggered go to your safe space no triggers are valuable that it's because what triggers me won't trigger you it's it's for you to understand your own attachments um where you need to review yourself and again that starts with the breath because the breath is the first thing physically typically to to respond to your mind being in a in a projected form of distress you know so what one of my most favorite things i've ever heard about the breath and by the way shantel i wanted to say that all of my programs are called sacred alchemy so that that connection of alchemy like i'm i'm right there with you but anyways i know it's in it that it is just like the the the the synchronicity of that but one of my favorite things i've ever heard about about the breath is uh especially when we hold our breath because you know that's what that's what we do sometimes when we get stressed out we hold our breath we hold our breath because we're wanting to stop time like if you think about it sometimes if you see something that's about to fall over there but you can't reach it you can't catch it what do you do you go you're holding your breath because you're not wanting that thing to fall it's like you're wanting to stop time and and and there's a sweet connection with that with the breath and wanting to stop time and resistance you know the we hold our breaths or we alter our breath because we're resisting the present moment we don't like what's going on in the present moment like the present moment is either too intense or there's too much crap going there's too much shit going on there's too much for us to handle or we just simply don't like it and so we hold our breath as as like this metaphor or not even a metaphor it's like us literally trying to stop time because we're resisting we're resisting the moment we're resisting the present moment and yeah but that's where so much of the our problems with processing comes from is instead of just you know accepting things for what they are you know doing what we need to do perception wise to accept the way things the way they are we want to control it we want to control the situation we want to control the narrative when there's you know sometimes you just can't you can't control it and the best thing that we can do is to let things fall into place and and to to not resist or not try to negotiate a friend of mine are talking about that as well how sometimes we try to negotiate the spirit or we try to you know negotiate with with with with the divine because we don't like we're like well wait a minute no i know i said that i wanted this and to awaken but no don't make me do that next life i don't want i don't want to do that make me do something else and so we negotiate and we resist and then we hold our breath absolutely well it's so true that i love the way you put that Cindy just that really it's it's just kind of clicked in for me as well because i've never actually looked at it that way you know like when holding on and let's think about i mean we're not just talking yoga you know on your mat we're talking in real life you know if we look at what's happening now with this nonsense going on let's i won't say what it is but we all know and look at the look at the the the the organ in the body that's most affected by this right now would be the lungs right the breath which is linked to the heart chakra so when we look at what creates the ailments and the illnesses in the body it's always coming from an energetic perspective first or a block or a lack there are blocked up black blacked up whatever and if we think we've been living in a very very narcissistic society for the last i don't know how many years everything is quick it has to be there you know running running running running running running all the time so we've shut off from the things that matter nature connecting with our kids you know connecting with family making time to be creative creative creativity is so so important in your everyday life so important most people they kick that out of their lives because i don't have time for that nonsense wow it's like cutting off a limb your lifeblood you know to to to shut your creativity off or to not process that sort of thing you know so i mean i think it's this what's happened here and when we look at how that's affecting the body it's really been mostly the lungs heart chakra shut down so what is the body saying to us you know the body speaks the body's always talking to us every second of every day every moment and when we stop to listen it's always starting with the feeling it's an energetic feeling an intuition or a pain or a stabbing my toe this is how our universe speaks to us you know and we just barge on mostly and ignore until eventually we have a car accident or something god forbid even worse you know but when we when we are not listening to the subtle signs from our higher source we are going to find ourselves in hot water and then and the same thing with illnesses and ailments you know any illnesses generally a stress related thing and it's a blockage of energy flowing in that direction you know so and that's when when you go to the part of the body what it means what emotions are connected to that that's where your key is that's that's where your answers lie so when we start realizing these things our body is our spaceship if you will it is yours to tune up and to tune in and to go in like an old grand piano that's in standing in the shed for gosh knows how long it's it's there you've just got to tune it oil it it's there and soon you're playing this magnificent orchestra with in again you know it's ours for the taking and when we and when we are willing to face the tough stuff in life like we are now I mean there's been a lot of stuff that's happened I mean just with myself in this past week it's been crazy I feel like I've been spinning so much has gone on one thing after the other and it's all these things that are out of my control so when I'm asked to be still and just feel where do I feel out of control with them because absolutely there have been moments so I will therefore be attracting situations that make me feel out of control and then it's up to me to sit with myself and my creator and process open up there where the blockages are breathe through it practice through it cry through it journal through it man and then the alchemy occurs it's that moment of just ping and everything opens up and you go oh yes that's what it is and it's that moment your energy expands your vibration lifts that lead becomes gold so to speak and now you're using the very thing that held you back to recreate something very beautiful so nothing can ever be created or destroyed and they ever transferred or transformed so you've simply taken that pain and transformed it into power and that we can only do when we sit with ourselves and what we what we give people here is we give them guidelines you know we guide people this is what's available that's what's available what resonates with you if it doesn't feel right with you sit with yourself and see if it resonates you know don't watch what people say you know we all worship very differently and if you are going to judge that then you are immediately limiting yourself you've got to look at people's actions how do people how do people present themselves not just presenting themselves what do they do you know how do they create a better life for themselves and the world around them you know and there are a lot of there are a lot of people out there at the moment doing amazing things but yes there's also a lot of shysters for sure and that's why everyone has to as you said Bryce you know be discerning and the only way you're going to do that is when you know thyself so the only way you know thyself is when you sit with thyself yes right not ten thousand other excuses and voices and podcasts and this one says that and that one says that and now fighting with everyone because they've gosh you've lost you've completely lost the plot then someone's been able to knock your center very quickly take that take that take that sit with yourself what resonates how does it feel for you how does it make you feel does your heart feel open or not if not why is it your sense of reservation or is it something your intuition telling you something deeper and then you've got to check and check again and boom and your answer comes yeah my teacher in India also says a lot and I say this at my class I teach at Cindy's studio that um you know yoga yoga so this is life as well because yoga is just a union or a focus of energy you know that's all that it means it could be it can be implicated in a lot of different aspects of life not just specifically the awesome practice but a lot of it is about being comfortable with being uncomfortable with allowing yourself to be okay with being uncomfortable about something and and I think a lot of us right now if we look at the global situation there's a lot of things we're all uncomfortable about because there's uncertainty but on saying that at least in my life I can separate the global situation which is partially out of my control we all have to contribute vibrationally to it but partially out of my control I can separate that from my own life my own private life and I know Cindy we were talking about this the other day I'm happy in my private life I love my life you know I love I have a great relationship I have an awesome dog I have my I love my practice I love our business I love teaching at Cindy Shaw on Sunday mornings a bunch of badass women comes and some men and some men you know and I love doing my research and connecting with all you guys around the world like I love my day to day life I know things are happening globally globally and things will eventually shift and change they're bound to because it's it's we're moving into the age of Aquarius you know my boyfriend does a good thing saying too and what people especially if you're new you know if you've been told your whole life that astrology is demonic and all this stuff is bad and you're just now waking up to that it's not you have the thing about astrology is that when a age shifts it doesn't just shift it takes a couple of years and that's a long time for us as humans but in the spirit world that's not that long for everything to fall back into place and so what we're experiencing now is actually from what I understand is normal for a change of timeline a change of eons of ages because the old system has to dissolve and in order to birth the new one and so we're seeing this friction and I know we talk about my boyfriend talks about it a lot with our students like friction when you can create that friction that's where change happens that's the money shot right there and so what we're seeing with this friction everybody wants the friction to end we just want every trust me we do too but we have to accept that this friction is actually necessary for the earth for the animals for humanity for everything in order to take this leap and and and it's huge because 10 years ago a half of the people listening right now that know what's going on with this the switching of the ages probably didn't even believe in astrology 10 years ago so look how much has already been evolved you know let me talk and I were talking about that we were walking I'll be careful about what I say but you know five years ago three years ago so many people had so much trust in the institution of medicine and now in a short amount of time how many people are more discerning now so instead of being upset about all this negative stuff happening look at the lessons it's taught us on a daily basis to take control to go wait a minute I know you're the specialist but I want to see the information too I want to understand too that's a beautiful thing you know it's a beautiful thing and be okay with being uncomfortable because there are things that are out of our control there are things out that we can't you know we can't go and say okay this is it we're just going to close all the banks down and you know we can't do that we have to allow things to unroll at their natural progress like you said Shanti like the tree is okay losing its leaves because it knows that in a few months time new ones are going to bloom we have to be that way and be like okay we have to let this thing die in its natural way yeah it's exactly what I was going to say about the trees is like there's a reason why you don't go straight from summer to winter that you go through autumn or fall first because there's important things that have to happen in that stage to make you move into winter in a way that you're going to survive winter and come out stronger the next spring and I think you know we're always in such a hurry because often as humans we're so focused on the destination rather than the journey and what would be the point you know if otherwise we might as well just be born and die might we're not you know it's you have to laugh at ourselves really because if it's not all about the journey what is the point of life and it's about discovery I find it quite amusing how you know we we think a lot of humans think we're the superior race on the world and you just think god you've got to laugh at ourselves really about how we over complicate things and how long it takes us to learn the lesson as a species you know of course we're all individual on that journey but you don't see nature complicating things nature accepts it flows it moves it evolves etc and and I just think god I know our minds are so so important but I think the balance has gone so off I heard it's really unusually now this is bizarre I I don't listen to much sort of at the moment on the phone but this morning someone sent me something I was listening to it and it went on to a Candice Owen's interview just a short one afterwards and it was absolutely brilliant what she was saying she was saying we've gone so off track you know we've laughed at some of what we've called these primitive people who've gone back to old-fashioned ways of doing things where they grow their own food they don't you know buy into the modern ways of living and we sort of people in general society have looked to his backwards and she's like who's laughing now they know how to grow their own food they still use books they're not reliant on the internet that we all know now the plug can be pulled at any minute on it and it's so funny that things that we think as a and I'm using we as a human species sort of thing that we think are moving us forward to making us so advanced so actually so far away from our best interest and I think the simple things in life people are just really rejoicing in a game you know like you were saying Chanty like your your friends your family spending time in nature spending time with your children you know all the simple things that have been pushed to the side your artistic side things your creative anything in nature has to be creative to survive and now we're starting to see the beauty and when I heard Candice say oh and say this oh hallelujah this is so brilliant we're going to start going back to what what's really important to value when also in nature too I heard I was watching a movement tea I watched Cindy knows this I watched for my my I hate to say my real life because YouTube is also my real life and a lot of you two were saying in my and off the internet life when I'm teaching I like to watch movement teachers not just yoga teacher to see their perspective on the body and how they especially dancers because they have a different perspective and it's always I think it makes you a better teacher which you could kind of see it in a different way anyway I was watching this dancer say that she said something that was interesting about flexibility and of course she was talking about the body and and in yoga we focus more on mobility than flexibility but she said you know the things that survive in nature are the ones that are flexible that allow and I kind of we're talking about that transitional but they allow them they just allow things to happen that we allow the trees the trees allow the leaves to fall off with them how many people have had a an animal I hate to use the word pets but I'll say that just you know what we're talking about a family dog or cat especially cats do this they go off by themselves to pass away they just know and they accept it and they go off and pass away you know and here we don't want to be flexible we just want to grow we want it now we don't want to bend and move but that's how we survive it's just a bend and move with with where we're going nature is good at holding liminal spaces so nature holds the space in between and we have the capacity to do the same to hold the space in between but the space in between is also the most uncomfortable space nature like all time to me is considered a liminal season like an in in between season and it's those those seasons that we have in our own lives when you know things are falling apart but what's becoming hasn't become yet or even who we're becoming we haven't quite become that yet we're that ooey gooey state we're in that ooey gooey stage of the cocooning you know not the caterpillar anymore but the butterfly but can you imagine what that creature in the cocoon looks like it's probably like all mushy and gross and distorted and it's all like and that's what we feel like when we get in those liminal spaces we're like no one's gonna happen that's so true and those are the um the the challenging moments in our lives to hold but nature does it beautifully I mean it just moves through those in between spaces without without losing without losing without losing a beat where we get into it and we want to fight it right we want we want to resist this we want to always control we want to always know what's coming and I think that we can you know hold beautiful ideas for the future but at the same time we we are our our growth comes from holding those spaces in between we can't get there without those liminal without those liminal spaces oh yeah I really uh it's just what you're saying about the cocoon and the little whatever it is in the cocoon you know we don't even know what to call it it becomes a pupa or something but what's very interesting as well as now when so when it comes out of its little cocoon and it becomes the moth or the butterfly could look at also the silkworms you know how the silkworms go through that process and then you know first the worm and then the sorry the egg and then the worm and it spins itself and then turns it closes itself up in the cocoon and then well when it's when it's the moth again bites through the cocoon and it's very interesting because there's a lot there's the story that goes about how someone thought they saw the cocoon the moth coming out of the cocoon and thought they would give some help and cut the cocoon open but what happened was the little wings stayed this small so it was never able to fly then so it just dragged itself around on the ground without being able to fly because that process of getting out of the cocoon and it's flapping flapping flapping flapping its wings is where its wings become strong and grow so through the process what we see struggle struggle struggle is actually the wings growing so that it can fly so I think again you know we need to realize all of us that we're all going through the process of transformation or alchemy you know that really is alchemy and and and transmuting from one stage to the next and that's always a challenging process any change is a challenge but when change comes knocking at your door it's always timely there's never a time that it's not timely which is really you know if you're in a bad relationship or a dead-end job or a whatever the case might be and you have the opportunity of change you know most of us are so terrified to as Rumi says you know why do you stay in your cage when the door is wide open you know you can walk out of that door at any moment it's your choice it's your choice to be there and I know that some people obviously in some very very challenging situations and I don't want to undermine anyone who's in a challenging situation like that but after having worked with people for around about 20 years in this industry I do know there's always a solution you know if you are willing to if you are ready for that change and you want those wings to grow and you are ready to take flight your energy dictates that no one else and nothing else has that feeling inside of you and we know what it is it's that feeling when you're ready to be ready to be ready to be ready and you just like an athlete you know on the starting block waiting for the gun to go off so he can run his race it's the same kind of feeling we have when you're ready for change so when that feeling occurs and you take yourself there through personal introspection through doing the stuff you need to do through sitting with yourself through the tough stuff through getting help if necessary you know um through doing whatever and most of all your faith is so important we have to know that whatever we're getting through right now is our contract with our creator or god or our source we've come here not by accident we've come here to grow through the experiences that challenge us otherwise we don't grow it's like again let's look at the mass coming out of the cocoon you know if someone's no i was just gonna say we can't forget what that we're the um we're the descendant of survivors that we can do this because all of the people that have come before the before us i mean think of what our ancestors have survived i mean they they've truly they've survived plagues but like you know real plagues they've survived right they survived famine they've survived war they've survived gen like especially like my answer they've survived the genocide and so we are the descendant of survivors and that sometimes we forget what it's coded within our genetics it's in our blood and it's in our genetics to do hard things yeah because every all of the folks that came before us had to go through it man i mean this earth this earth plane can be just come with all sorts of tumultuous experiences but you're built for it you we're all we're built for it and if we can remember that we are the descendants of the people who survived you can do this absolutely i love that that cocooning um metaphor because you know my my boyfriend's had a lot of very powerful teachers and to including fatabi joys probably the most famous one and he had a teacher uh in his early 20s explained to him that he was in a phase of cocooning because that was right before he went to india and he didn't know that at the time that they picked up spiritually it was like he was his body was preparing to kind of go into trajectory into another direction and it's not just his body but his mind is everything with him was going to go in this new direction of this new practice but i think i love that because i think of people watching if you're feeling anxious because it hasn't happened yet if you're feeling anxious we're in our cocoon right now humanity is in its cocoon right now and that takes time and thank god the people that are in charge of this whole thing understand that you know i i don't know if you if y'all caught janine on jc where somebody asked about um that mr american mr t was given an option to correct what happened in the competition we'll just say um and he he was advised by a wise old soul is what janine got in the cards not to do it yeah to allow it to play out and as frustrating as that is for us look at how much we've learned that wise old soul whoever that was that was helping him dictate what or picked the path he could have pulled it and could have completely overturned everything um and won won the gold we'll say um but he didn't he allowed everything to play itself out and i think that that was even though it's been hard for us it has allowed more people to understand and with that it's not just about the whole nisara it's not just about that it's like understanding that you have a right to understand that you have a right to go within yourself and say this isn't right and and then start to heal your own that it's so powerful and i think you know hopefully we still won't be sitting here in 10 years discussing this but i think i think at that point i don't think we're in the loony bed at that point but um you know but in 10 years time when we look back at this time we'll probably be great i mean i think about that like i rom dos uh a teacher who's passed away but he would talk about that in his writing like when you turn around and look at your life and you look at these times in your life that were just hard and just yucky and gross when you were going through it but usually those times are the times after your through that process that you're the most grateful for because that friction was powerful and we and that i think we're gonna look back at this and be like oh my god everything was necessary we needed all this to happen not just to get to the finish line but for our own evolution it's almost like not an evolution but a devolution we're almost going backwards to who we really were to begin with you know we're the matrix within us is starting to dissolve as well you know and so i think i love that i i i hope people like take that about their day like we're just cocooning right now it's not finished what is that saying is my favorite saying in the end everything is okay if it's not okay it's not the end and when you're cocooning just like you were saying you know you you can't go and cut someone's cocoon open for them yeah and and and this thing i mean i've just my new word of the sort of year is it's fascinating and it's just like i've never been at such a reflective stage of my life and i feel very grateful to be able to do that because you know you look them and you do take a sit back and you sort of look at things how i'm folding and you know each day i'm learning more and more about how you just can't do it for someone now we've all spoken about great teachers that we've had in our lives and you know when the students ready the teachers will come so teachers are really important to move us on through different stages in our lives i was having a really good conversation with someone this morning and we were just saying that there's a reason why you don't behave the same way at 40s you did at 20 you know there's a there's a very good reason for that um and i think you can have this conversation you can do it but as we've said we cannot and should not make decisions for people and people have got to put within themselves and do what they feel is right um we can't just keep blaming them was so and so told me to do this and therefore i did it you know you might be able to do that when you're five a bit but not even many five year olds really less than um but you know once you you're an adult in particular it's about what are you going to do for yourself at this time and then accept that and accept that if it goes well great if it doesn't go well there was an important lesson that you have to learn through that process absolutely yeah i mean don't they say like the human brain is an even fully formulated until you're about 27 years old i was like what yeah like your brain doesn't get fully mild mild mild laminated mild laminated until about that age and so we're making we go through stages of making all sorts of stupid decisions in um in our growing process and uh uh yeah i mean yeah we just we just have to we have to go through all those lessons on our own and uh like even as a mother you want to because i have a 16 year old and i want to tell them you need to do this and you need to do that and you need to do this but he's like no i'm going to do it my way but you know we want to we want to even like go in and and and try to you know try to control and and try to save and and and and want to go in and and to try to to help people and try to change people but in the end it's always there it's always their decisions and their path and they have to go through it yeah so yeah it's interesting i like what carry on bruh no no you go ahead well i was going to say like one oh seven said once that and i really loved what he said that that we have to have like a near death experience in order for our dna to understand and and he kept warning us that this was going to be dragged out because we have to understand we have to learn we can't just be be told and i know everybody there's a difference between knowing something and like understanding like knowing it you know it's like memorizing something to regurgitate it or actually getting it and we're seeing people even even i mean i think kather we've talked about this before even though we consider ourselves to be like awake whatever that means um we've discovered certain things we know there's still things we don't know we know there's still shocks to come and the more you get comfortable with with really in your dna down into your psyche understanding then the easier everything else will be because you'll be able to settle into that feeling of not just you're told something you regurgitate it you get paid you go to the next it becomes this like very it's what we're going through in my opinion is a very sacred process it's a very opening yeah our hearts are starting to open and that's what's happening you know we've been too much in our heads thought process and if we just look at let's let's look at the body again the head would really be would would let's say symbolize our IQ our intellectual intelligence okay as long as i can see it feel it here attach it bam it exists right and the heart sits down here and is is more the feminine so the head we can see is the masculine or the husband of the body and the heart is the wife right so we're in the IQ and the EQ because what really happens i mean our head acts as like the caring husband he doesn't want the wife to for the or the he's a lady to feel scared or upset so would then send thoughts down often to suppress those emotions right if we look at that in in in sort of at 101 i like to i like to see things visually so we can see that the husband doesn't want you to feel sadness so he will distract with thoughts and things and let's do this and let's go there and hey let's go shopping or let's go and buy this or whatever the case might be distract distract distract all the time so when we start and that's when the literally the heart our hearts have been first because we've been too busy in the mind the monkey mind as we call it so now as we start opening up and we start feeling and we start feeling the power it's to teach us this patience and also when the male heart center opens he starts experiencing some beautiful things and feelings and stuff that by design he's been taught to shut down from so what we do is and then we start experiencing this beautiful feeling of the iq and the ecu start having and let's look at the chakra that sits between them which is the throat communication right so now i mean let's look at men and women we have completely distorted views of each other generally okay and this planet carries the consciousness of us human beings basically so when our own thoughts our iq and our ecu have been in opposite sides of each other that means the relationship with yourself is not in its integrity so what do we do we therefore then attract a partner or a situation that is not within its integrity it's very easy to blame someone else for what's happening in your life but then when we start taking responsibility the question is where have i been out of my own integrity that i had to attract someone who betrays me lies to me deceives me is not in their integrity hello mirror it never lies this mirror a spiritual mirror never ever lies you just got to learn how to read it and look and then when you start realizing that you sit with yourself then your heart opens your mind calms down and then you start having this beautiful relationship with yourself with your yin and your yang your iq your ecu and then you start having the male female connection with yourself and when you have that you're in harmony and your relationships will reflect that too and then suddenly you're attracting great partners into your life or great business experiences or whatever but it always starts with yourself so i think this experience or this plan that's been going on as much as what it can be crappy on so many levels it is really called for us to open up our hearts to open up your heart to your neighbor open up your heart to your child open up your heart to your animals do you know how many happy kids and animals are out there right now with mommy and daddy or home i want to tell you this is so cool for the kids and animals every person i speak to i mean i have a lot of parents and stuff and lots of stuff has happened i mean some couples have chosen to get divorced during this time but it's there in their truth you know families have pulled together kids are thriving enjoying this homeschooling thing that they're having moms at home you know families love that and we're reuniting as a family and maybe it's time that we needed to do that because we know that our families have been highly targeted by the the controllers of the planet so they have targeted our kids and our families by separating us creating this whole narrative of women working and empowering women and what have you but at the end of the day what they've really been doing as well is pushing their education down our kids' throats and separating families because it's traumatizing for a child to be separated from its mother at such a young age and having all pairs or babysitters or nannies or whatever so it's really taking us back and i think kathryn you were saying that earlier on you know just going back to the roots of who we are embracing everything that we need to and recalibrating i think is what what most of us or i think we called to recalibrate at the stage whether we're going to or whether we're gonna short fuse is up to us some of us are gonna short fuse and really get upset and feel like the world is against us and this is the worst thing and blame the governments and blame yes we know they're responsible parties out there but you know no matter how much we're gonna blame them it's not gonna change things you know they're gonna they we know who these people are that they they're not they don't feel and think the way we do so we've got to stop trying to get them and to do that and by hurling insults and swearing and what have you at them doesn't change anything it just adds that negative part so we really have to just look at how we within ourselves a can change within our family within our community and then start to own little projects start growing things start growing our foods start planting gardens start growing herbs whatever start you know um bartering trading with each other you know who's got this i've got that that's what this is calling for it really is calling for us to go back to our roots which in Africa the the the major tribes all doing that anyway so it's nothing really new for us here and i'm a farm girl so i'm used to eating carrots at the garden was the best thing oh my goodness for those carrots got ready i was the first one in that veggie pastures holy of art madden or munch munch munch mouthful of sand it was just the best thing those carrots out of the garden were my favorite so i love that and i wish everyone could experience that because it's such a beautiful thing you know your immune system is stronger we never i mean i lived on the farm we never went to doctors if unless obviously you know obviously if we had the chicken pox and stuff like that we all got our childhood issues you know that stuff but um my mom used to used to used to nurse us you know if we were lived on the farm two hours away from the closest doctor or hospital so if you have this so we were never pumped full of antibiotics and stuff like that which i do think is also responsible for our health and stuff you know more natural we are the stronger we are also on a physical level i think it's on so many levels that we need to well it's really it's spiritual emotional mental physical that's what i always say you know the four legs of the table of four elements which is the fire water air earth so each leg has to have its equal balance otherwise you wobble around and you really have to give 25 percent of each of the elements you know to your to your well-being and unless you're doing that you're going to be unbalanced and all sorts of things happen then but you only can do it when you are in your peace and then you know god god activates what needs to be activated inside of you but you've got to get yourself to that point you've got to get yourself that face of peace and being receptive and being open and aware and it doesn't happen to anyone who's pretending this is coming from a real real real place it's the your ease and codes get unlocked within you as you evolve personally and then you become a harbinger for more life for more frequency you know and for more wisdom and for more knowledge and that's what you get to share as you progress with your students your friends your family whatever you don't have to be standing up in front of a auditorium of 3 000 people not at all so it's enough to me yeah and you're you're all those things already they're already there yes exactly it's not like it doesn't exist inside of you you know another one of my favorite things that is is that you are actually a whole you are a fractal and the difference between like a fractal and a piece is you know a fractal is actually the whole so you are a fractal of the universe and so it's all it's all already there it's all there every single bit yeah that's how special if you want to look at it that way guys that's how because you are so powerful that's why they've done all they've done to try to make you forget you were that powerful because you are that powerful it's like the story of Govinda Krishna when he was eating dirt and his mother went to get it out of his mouth as a kid and she saw the whole universe inside of him that's us it's all that's you that's you yeah it's just a remembrance all the the process of awakening is is just simply a remembrance that's it it's not like you were missing or parts of you i mean we might have fragmented ourselves but even those little fragments of yourself are still in you they just might have been buried you know your your body has been carrying those fragmented pieces buried within within the dark fertile places like the earth holds things like our body holds with nurturance all these fragmented pieces like things that we've pushed down but it's there it's not like it disappears or goes away everything is being being held in this very nurturing way within within your body within the memory of yourselves living your blood it's all it's all there all we have to do is um is is to remember and that's all you know that's all your your teachers or your animal friends animals in nature they're great at helping us to remember because they're not walking around forgetting and with all the modern technology you know there's been so much talk about the 10 days of darkness and pulling the plug on the internet and everything like that but you know we don't need that to connect with each other so next time we can do this telepathically ladies yes let's do it if you soon go as fast as we can we can send these messages but it is you know it is in all seriousness joking with this there's someone because there's someone we couldn't get hold of yesterday Jean-Claude and I and I was sort of saying it half and just but it's really important to to start using these skills now you know the animals don't need an app on their phone to know if there's a storm coming and we actually know either it's just we've we've forgotten to we've got out of the habit of using those sensors those part of our brains that we've closed down you know when I was a teenager and I used to work in a pub I was it was so long ago that we didn't have electronic tills you did all the adding up in your head and my mental math was amazing because I used it every day and if you don't use it you lose it so we've got all these abilities within us whether it's telepathy connections knowing what to do what what the right food choices are how to heal ourselves and in my son from the moment he was a toddler he knew exactly which plants he could forage off from which he couldn't it was quite incredible so I just think it's fun for us to sort of disconnect a bit and just reawaken those parts of ourselves that are going to be so important moving forward absolutely yeah yeah and for each individual to stuff into their own superpower however that looks like for them you know yeah and it would be just such a cool experience for us to interact that way like really connect it with your inner master you know your true intuitive heart and your most magical your most magical self and we begin to interact that way yeah the world would change it in an instant like they keep telling us the best is yet to come and it is it really is you know this is an exciting journey we're all on and I'm looking to continue it I so enjoyed that ladies I mean really it's just such a lovely time to have a different conversation and just talk about the different aspects I feel you know really beautifully calm now after having these conversations with you and and pick those people you know if something's not listened to you it's triggering you then turn it off for goodness sake don't don't talk to yourself through things that aren't resonating with you at this time but can that might change the next day as your needs change yeah for sure you know that's that's the thing that I think what's hard too is like when people are getting so anxious right now because we can't we can't go anywhere it's not like we can leave our our countries our perspective and go to another country to escape it we're literally so it literally is something that's bigger than all of us it's all of us together not us individually but individually we have the power to to to have our environment around us and our like I said my day today life is I have an amazing boyfriend we can talk talk about weird stuff all the time it's great I've got Cindy in my life too you know it's like pick pick the people that are going to help you transform to your highest good not the ones that are going to pull you back to where we once were where you once were you're not you've already been there don't go back you know you're going painful to go back like once you energetically once you calibrate you know talking about calibration once you calibrate up to a certain level it's really painful when you try to go backwards I mean you're going to you're going to be met with all kinds of resistance because the powers that be the higher powers that they'll make it they'll make it really painful I mean it's physically sometimes painful to to go backwards yeah absolutely so lovely ladies thank you so much I've really really enjoyed this I hope we can do it again there's so many fascinating things to discuss you know I really hope everyone who's watching anyone that's watching that is trigger some thoughts about you and what you want to be doing for you yourself as an individual and as Cindy said you know what your superpowers are and if you're not quite sure have fun experimenting and finding out you know that's the joy and and that can change over time as well it's not it's not meant to be static so just have fun in that process and and realize that you know sometimes these struggles are really what makes us so much stronger and also loves so much more enjoyable as well absolutely thank you Catherine for having me on today it's such a pleasure and an honor to chat with all of you beautiful ladies so thank you I know I was so excited about this this morning when I woke up I was like oh yay thank you so much and let's do it again soon ladies definitely thank you so much it's been so wonderful connecting with you and really I'm just sitting here listening to all of you and as I said in the beginning just marveling at the fact that we are so far away in physical miles yet spiritually here we are and thank god for technology as well while we learn how to hone in with our superpower skills and be able to be teleport nor collaborate on one when this is over we can just teleport to each other and hang out yes so I can bring my guinea pigs I'm fine have a lovely day ladies you too