 Kulindwa hirumana kwa many Sayama na katapisa nama. But kwa hirlika, hiru na asara maha kwa na hirumana. Taka ina para kakiaweha, uesisha iwa kukakiaweha. Kukakiaweha. Ikaw na nama na kwa youkama, kwa na nama kwa yong FIivirat programuza blended, Kwa youkama. Tama kwa youkama na nyame yubia nputu na mejia, Even down to your favorite musician beefing each other, any to here is asking a very important question about what Africa and Nigeria needs in terms of living and minimum wages. Ferdinand, not defendable, makes his debut today on the show and he said to tell us about what life would look like in the post-oil economy in Nigeria. According to Leo Tos Toy, the so many of life is to serve humanity. Finally, Kemak is telling us a story that shows the humanness and thoughtfulness in our daily living. Sit back, the palanists are here to present your Sunday dose of provoking thoughts after this break. Everything in Nigeria is going to kill you. The anointed musical beef and the Lagos local government election. It was my linear friend, Dr. Ayo Shogunro Uro the book, Everything in Nigeria is going to kill you. He wrote, my relentlessly pursuit of an understanding of the survival ability of the average Nigerian in a system that is definitely dysfunctional. Some of us complain, some of us protest. Some of us go spiritual and still many others go material. And also a few of us turn to the arts of solace. We write not to kill other people of madness but to avoid going mad ourselves. He introduced the book to me at a bar somewhere in Ilupeju in Lagos. I think I bought in solidarity but as a Christian I believe in the power of words so I did not read it. I cannot locate the book now. Judging by the title, it seems the writer is right after all. If you are lucky to escape the physical arm, recent happening with deading your humanity and feeling. A friend reported how he was robbed at gunpoint. He laughed while narrating the story. His audience also laughed. Many videos on social media have shown where people get robbed in broad daylight. One, a cold bridge. Lekia kwa expressway. Agege, even at the federal capital territory of Buja. The house of the chief of staff to the president was robbed right at the heart of the most secured premises in our country. Police stations have been attacked and policemen and women killed. Poliso! The policies is in shambles. Security is nowhere. Nobody is talking about us to strike again. Our consciences are fading away. Nigerian killing us. Nigerian killing our humanity. Away from all the problem around. Let us relax a bit. Last week was the week of anointed musical beef on the song. Like most of the views that have been expressed on the subject, I stand against the direct diss by Evangelist Tokyalabi. I stand with Adenye Kaa Alashiyori, whose name I know. Thanks to the evangelist. Beef between musicians is not uncommon. Those in the hip-hop world will not easily forget two-pack and biggie beef. They both paid with their lives. The jury is still out there whether it was the beef that occasioned their eventual death. Nigeria has the sphere of lerekha wars and beefs amongst its musicians. For those who could remember the interesting war between a large Sikirua in the Ibarista and General Kulintiangila, he got fair titles. While Salaji Agba was measured in his lines, general took no prisoners in his lerekha attacks on barista. They were negative on the occurrence between King Sonia Day and Ava Jelisa Benizalbi. They were in the abits of denying beef, but their talking drummers and guitarists were always quick to contradict them at the slightest opportunity with invectives hidden in sands of drums and guitars. Saido Shupa, a.k.a. Saridon P, Saridon Papa, or Shupa, or King of Music, as his long drum battle with Wasiwa Labipasuma, a.k.a. GSM Alaji, Popsia Liya, Baba Wasila, or Mojawa Nobi. This was what had taken to the streets and the first were even violent. Lost in between is the beef between two-face and face. The beef between Davido and Whiskeyd is nothing new. There is extreme violence, but of course, e-violence on Twitter and Instagram. I heard rumors about beef between the double legend Osita Osadebe and Oliver the Coke. Thus, beef in the gospel music world is just another with anointing. Of course, I side with Adenika Lashiori, the subject of the diss from Enjivan Jelisa Tokua Labi. Please, don't let the Nigerian factor kill you. Your conscience, humanity or humanness. Join the gossip. It's interesting. The good side is that you will not be wrong. Before I forget, the Lagos stage local government election is near. Please participate. It is your right. It is your obligation. I must say that I had to hold my... That was quite an interesting one. I must say and the way we went from the gospel artist to the secular artist was quite interesting, but I do find it slightly... I don't want to sound really aggressive, but I do find it slightly distasteful that at some point, because of the religious connotations, I believe that they could have in some decorum and some better handling of the crisis between Evangelisa Tokua Labi and Alashiyori. I believe that if you had something to say to her, there might have better ways to handle it, but then who knows, that may just be my opinion and she may have done what she felt was directed of her to do. Who am I to talk about it? Well, to speak to this, I think that when it comes to the territory, there will always be beef. And in a sense, growing up back in the day with Tupak and Bigi and just seeing what had played out, you understand that you can't always run away from it, but in this particular incident, I see the context of it around the IP. And if you're talking about an IP infringement, there are legal ways to pursue that, but I'll also, in a sense, think about it. In most of us, I'll be doing songs that were raised on Libu Modern, modern day musicians. Have they ever bothered to ask who wrote it and how long are these IPs available for? And if you want to do someone's song, maybe get it right. But again, a claim for IP is not something you throw out on social media. I think the legal ways to express that. But in this case? Okay, I don't think it was the case of intellectual property. But the truth is, I count that at the risk of sounding arrogant, I count it so beneath me to even have an opinion about that. Because as far as I'm concerned, I have little to no respect for Tupper Alabi, whoever it is. I really do not. I won't even bother justifying that crap with a comment of mine. That's just how I feel about it. That's another dimension today. But then I would say to talk to what Fedi has said. I really think that in this particular case, Tupper Alabi was very vocal from what I read, that she believes that it wasn't and it was a Holy Spirit-inspired song. That wasn't what it was. And that the only duro that is my garanto in English, the person who stands behind me is sure that you can't diminish God and place Him as your garanto. And I'm thinking... You see, where I have a problem, you see my problem with the claim, particularly in this part of the world, is the disgusting, self-deluded interpretation of what God is and who God is. And people trying to force their personal opinions down the throats of the gollible, but spiritually blind followers. And following. So, like I said, I don't even want to go into... I think it's beneath me, mentally and intellectually, to talk about who is right or who is wrong. I said we will not buy into that term. Thinking about it, I think the point you're making is even bigger than just what we are discussing. There you go. In the context of saying that we live in a society that is highly religious but short on spirituality. Fantastic. So people are caught up in just following the treadmill, going after and regurgitating what other people are saying. But spirituality is every human. Every human has a sense of coming into their own awareness of spirituality. That's it. And I think the customization and imposing a particular model as the way to express spirituality it's really not going to carry us into the future. I mean, it is more than anything else. Religion will always break. Religion cannot sustain also. But again, when you look at it in any context, is it worth our conversation? Absolutely not. So the reason why it's worth our conversation because it takes away from all the problems of Nigeria. Oh, an escape route. Yes. It's an escape strategy. And to tell you the truth, it takes away. So the person I was talking about was my colleague in the office and his car broke down. He joined the bus and he was robbed. And he was laughing about the story and it was funny to everybody. And something hit me like we're really losing our humanity. So indeed the writer friend of mine is right. When he said everything, Nigeria will kill you. It may not kill you physically. So talking about the musical abuse and the ones that has got the anointing now is the escape strategy. Well, and I'm wondering as Nigerians how long we're going to keep escaping and what we're actually going to do. But then it's a good escape strategy. I must say. Interesting. I don't think so. It's not sustainable because it draws you deeper into a greater sense of confusion and commotion. Now, let's just move it along. We keep the ball rolling. Yes. Up next is Annie Iton. And she wants to tell us what Nigeria needs as regards living wages. Annie Iton, over to you. Living wages, what do Nigerians need? The question of living wages is arguably an interesting one in Africa and more so in a country like Nigeria. But then, what do we mean by living wages? According to Investopedia, a living wage refers to a theoretical income level that allows individuals or families to afford adequate shelter, food and other necessities. The goal of a living wage is to allow employees to earn enough income for a satisfactory standard of living and prevent them from falling into poverty. Economists suggest that a living wage should be substantial enough to ensure that no more than 30% of it gets spent on housing and this amount will often be substantially higher than the legal minimum wage. However, there are various arguments for and against the living wage narrative. Those that are in support of living wages argue that paying employees higher salaries offer benefits to the company. Our staff are more satisfied than this reduces staff turnover. Other benefits would include high morale of the staff which in turn results in more productive staff as well as increased output from the staff of the company. When turnovers are reduced, the company does not have to engage in expensive recruitment and frequent training or retraining of new staff. The workflow is also seamless and company culture can be preserved. But those who are not in favour of living wages say that the implementation of a living wage creates a wage flow which harms the economy eventually. Also fewer employees are hired if the company has to pay higher wages and the end result is higher unemployment because you have deadweight loss and people who would willingly have worked for less than a living wage will not be given an opportunity to get the job. Now away from the arguments for and against what does the law have to say about living wages? In Nigeria what we have prescribed is a requirement to pay minimum wages which is not even fully implemented by organisations. There are however different international instruments on the issue of living wages some of which are the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was proclaimed by the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1948 and in Article 25 it states everyone has a right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family including food, clothing housing and medical care and necessary social services and the right to security in the event of employment sickness, disability widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. Other instruments that talk about living wages include the ethical trading initiative based code which is widely acknowledged as a model code of labour practice and is derived from the conventions of the International Labour Organization ILO We also have the International Labour Organization ILO C131 Minimum Wage Fixing Convention 1970 No. 131 as well as the International Convention on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights So why is the issue of living wage rising on the global agenda? 1. There is a rising phenomenon of the working poor that is working people who are unable to make ends meet because wages are too low 2. There is the issue of the increasing gap between national minimum wages and cost of living which is not going anywhere anytime soon Then 3. We have the continued development of international standards for business and ethics which is changing the dynamics of human dignity At the end of the day however it's really maybe not just about the money but about the choices that money allows you to have My questions then are Do Nigerians need a living wage or a minimum wage? If we do need a living wage is this a possible reality? I think I will die doing first We first need to live because the first word of the phrase is living then wage So in terms of what we need in Nigeria the government should just help us assist us make sure that we are alive if they can guarantee that then we cannot talk of the wage the minimum wage that is prescribed by the minimum wage act today is not even enough to make you live The 30,000 dollar cannot buy a bag of rice and if bag of rice is the only thing you are going to buy you need the right things to enter it Now the standard the life itself the quality of life is reducing by the day So the place to start from is even because we expect to wake up tomorrow then food is next and I love food so much It's not showing It's not showing Food security all over the country when we are able to tackle that security of life and property then food security so that whatever you earn you have something to feel your belly I think the issue of minimum wage and living wage in my humble estimation when you look at minimum wage it tells you the least amount someone of a particular pay grade can rather educational qualification whatever the metrics are for determining your entry level the level you can rise to in your career the very least amount you can earn based on the certification you have I would say a living wage has more to do with what offer you bring to the table it's not really limited to your educational qualification but rather it looks at your standard of living the barest essentials that you need to have So in a sense Nigeria is still grappling with so much even the minimum wage has not been ratified by all the states for whatever reasons why different state governments arguing that they can't pay the wage even those that have agreed to pay the wage that seem able to pay the wage and not even doing it and the wages are not coming as at when do so all of this falls back to entrepreneurship development in my honest opinion individuals should be able to rise up and look within discover what traits they have and then plan strategically how to translate those from ability to monetize services that would just loosen you up financially and make you know the pendant so to speak on a system for daily bread whether it's a place of employment or you know government policy but even as an entrepreneur government policy does have an impact on your ability or the scale at which you earn and all of that so really it's I would say it's an egg and chicken analogy situation if you will if I'm going out to this I think that the idea of minimum wage was not supposed to limit the potential or the capacity of the citizens it was basically to ensure that at least there is a standardization of some sort but there are many things to consider here first of all inflation and if you look at the last 2-3 years inflation is now double digits so if you were buying a bag of rice for 9,000 Naira you're almost buying times 2 now so there are other things we're dealing with but the minimum wage or the living wage is not rising just as high as the inflation in the past so there is an erosion of value but one thing is that we know government can't buy themselves create jobs we've always advocated and enabling environments to allow for the jobs so an entrepreneur today can't even get access to capital it's the CBN giving loans it's the Bank of Industry giving loans you bet you need collateral and how many Nigerian businesses truly genuinely can afford collateral except for the big guys who have been in oil all our lives and again so we can't necessarily begin to talk about living wage when the circumstances or the environment that can allow for the living wage is not even there and then one of my greatest challenges is looking at how much the governance and for security both how much the national assembly those guys are robbing us in daylight but at the end of the day they will struggle to approve a 30,000 or a minimum wage while they are going home with an entire local government budget every month it's really really what it is my own particular advocacy is that when are we going to wake up and attack these bloated governments and let them end like civil servants interesting Ferdinand that those are your views and now Ferdinand is telling us to prepare for a post-oil economy after this break so we're talking about preparing for a post-oil economy now experts are saying by 2030 which is exactly 9 years from now Nigeria will enter a post-oil age for decades we have actually failed to translate the wealth in the oil economy into the development of the common man so you can imagine that this is scary when you think about Nigeria without oil and we are still pretty much largely a mono economy so what does this mean when we talk about an oil economy going away it means job losses it means increased poverty but guys I really want us to think of something else apart from just feeling afraid that with all the oil wealth unemployment is still at 5% and is really really high and that's contestable it could even be way higher than that so post-oil economy it's something we need to talk about but here is an interesting part guys there is a good news even in the seemingly bad news we have to realize the opportunity a post-oil economy afford us there is an opportunity to truly diversify an economy as 2030 approaches so our biggest threat is not that oil will run out or that the world will stop buying oil but rather our inability to capitalize on this fast rushing wave of innovation to rewrite the destiny of the nation come 2030 so at this crucial junction I think for me one of the important things we must understand that innovation is going to be the determinant factor here if we are going to survive in the future it's expected that the post-industrial economy would be a creative economy and in every family there is a creative person I mean when the age of the creative economy but think about it for a second the structures that can drive the creative economy is not even there many creative people cannot find enabling environment to produce either songs or their movie everyone is running around the fashion ones cannot actually scale because the economy and the structure to help them scale is not even there so the creative economy makes up about $2.23 million in revenues and about 30 million plus jobs globally so it is the fastest growing segment in the world creative industries are recognized as a source of innovation, economy growth, personal well-being community cohesion think about it, the creative economy is the future if we want to attack unemployment we cannot not talk about the creative economy so economic success on a level requires that we have to harness our creative economy, we have to put it together the structures, the policies that can drive them protect our IPs put piracy laws in place so people can thrive in the national bureau of statistics I think this report was in 2016 they said that our GDP as of 2015 about 94.14 trillion came from the creative sector I thought analysis of this data from the report in the case that the sector could even with the state of it is which is not structured, informal can contribute way more than we can actually see in the US is about 5.3% coming from their creative sector so with music going global and all the streaming platforms with movies going global with fashion going global we cannot begin to undermine the potential in that segment so my advocacy today is to really ask the question now what are we doing with the music what are we doing from arts to entertainment to recreation of the stories that we have most of us grew up reading literature those things can actually rival international movies they can become series they can become feature films globally they can make money because they are spotable so guys I'm talking about this huge potential within the creative sector that we are not tapping as a country we complain about unemployment being high and of course it's going to remain high for a long time because unemployment they don't go away there is something called cyclical unemployment which is that at the end of the day with innovation some jobs will be dissolved jobs will go, innovation will swallow up jobs but how do we position our educational sector so we can create I'm talking about how we can strip down our economic model our educational model we can drive some courses have no business been studied in the world today if blockchain is the backbone of the industrial age the fourth industrial revolution why is blockchain not part of our curriculum but our government is placing a ban on cryptocurrency on anything that looks like blockchain they are regulating the fintech space but this is where they are supposed to be putting the best foot forward to ensure that we have enough jobs for our young people if we kill innovation we've killed the future oil is not going to be around that much and it's good news for me because people will go to power because they want to be able to get easy access to contracts can no longer go now despite high informal sector the creative economy still has a lot of potential this inactive state is due to structural gaps and we can fix that policies theories we can do that conferences programs that can help drive that space because I think we need a new generation of revolutionary thinkers artists, producers, writers we can create this compelling story of a new Nigeria we are not just here Nigeria is the dream where the Nigerians if this country will arise if there will be jobs, we have to do it ourselves I mean people can go to Canada but not all of us can go to Canada there is more potential here the resources are here, how do we harness that we have resources but are we resourceful if you are creative I'll say welcome to the world your time has come I think that I would like to take you right on in that you see a very very interesting advocacy I must say but the challenge that I have this kind of narrative which is going across in different places is that when we governize all the emotions what are the solutions what is the way for what is it that is being done so we have whipped up quite a lot of sentiments and people, the creative sector is there and you've listed the big box that is right in that system but what is going to be done who is going to wake up and say 100 million people over 50% of those are young people so can somebody tell me why the creative sector is not doing better than it is doing are we still waiting for government I have a real challenge with the fact that government needs to do something and I'm not saying that the government or policies are not faulty or that they're in issues but have you ever thought of that have you ever thought of what the power of a small group of determined people can do I don't think we're determined enough when I was younger my mum could not even allow me rights or become a writer because how are you going to pay the bills if you are a musician, how are you going to survive now that is changing there's a turtle paradigm shift what you said government is not catching up with it it really hits home and remember as I think I was in GS3 the first time I picked up a jam brochure my eldest brother was writing jam and so I flipped through a book that hundreds of pages I'll never forget I got to University of Calabas and I saw theatre arts and that cost jumped out of the page literally and hit me in my soul and I blotted out I'm going to study theatre arts you switched the moment I made that statement my mum was sitting in the living room and she said she just said let your father hear you and that killed I had to struggle through the sciences because they wanted me to study medicine and it's very funny while in Pyramid school I was in a drama and I played the role of the doctor and everybody told me my god you did it so well you're going to be a good doctor when you grow up meanwhile they ought to have told me you could answer back to what you're saying the beautiful thing about the creative industry you really need very little external motivation or push to rise up where you are with what you have and begin to run there is also need for policy push oh definitely in Nigeria your business your idea is likely to die not by competition or lack of funds or profit but by government regulation and policies so you are likely to be regulated out of business before any factors coming from within or from your competitors there used to be a very big industry in this country the VAS sector that is the value added services in the telephony talking about call back tones those have been regulated out of business NCC killed it what did they say? I know but I just wanted you to echo it these are the things that we add upon to the creative industry so we need to go back to the basis when you take all of this the national assembly the status of assembly 80% of the time we never understand you we go back to the term printing the people that represent you the policy maker the people that are going to drive the policy that will affect this creative sector so I tell you more sincerely that politics determines everything and I will always say it politics is too important to be left to the politicians we know something different I agree with what you gentlemen have said but one thing I have come to understand is that there's got to be a high level of like I was discussing before we went on the show there has got to be a way where we make psychology and strategy there was a particular movie that I worked about a lady lobbyist in the United States and he has forever changed my mind it was titled Miss Lone I don't know how one woman single handedly was able to penetrate into the American legal system and be able to influence so I think the one thing that we don't push or fight for or talk about in Nigeria is how we can actually get and penetrate politicians I'm not saying that we're going to there's something called lobbying but it's possible we want to physically be the person who is a frontliner or say how do you actually change policies until we move our politics in Nigeria from a patriarchal or god worshiper system so the point where politicians are answerable to the electorate like the recent hupla that happened on Junta of democracy day and people went on the streets ranting that the president has to go and all that I just looked at it and I said we're still having PTSD from the military era you don't unseat a sitting president through going protesting and all that he has the mandate he has the mandate he has the votes the constitution backs him the only thing that can remove a sitting democratically elected president is death or impeachment so rather than go on the streets and shout and make a whole lot of noise begin to lobby your representatives at the state and at the national level just give me a minute by the time you do that and then begin to threaten that person if you want impeachment for example let your people channel it through them let them bring it up to the house so that it's up for debate and then you can even threaten a blackmail that person quote on quote if you don't get this on your own cities at the end of the politics is a game of selfish interest but like I keep saying until we move the way a political system is from the place of Ranka Bedi to a place of I'm sending you there these are my expectations based on the law we'll keep running around in circles and nothing will get off you have a good point and I think everything falls on the knowledge of the people in every society and like I said protest is therapeutic but it doesn't translate always so it's just a tactic we need a strategy we're going to go on a quick break and after that Kemak will come back to give us a life lesson you want to hang around the monsters we make indeed life does teach us a thing or two about being a brother's keeper and while it's a dog it's dog world where everybody is looking like lunch I take this opportunity to advocate the need for humainness and thoughtfulness in our dealings with our fellow man by recounting this personal tale years ago during my undergraduate days I made an event and venue styling business as a side hustle a client of mine Jessica by name took me to her wedding reception venue she was super excited and like most brides wanted perfection she settled for an Arabian princess theme in her favourite colour pink and she hired my services certain I wouldn't disappoint there was a decor supply store right close to the reception venue and a quick drop by revealed that they had really beautiful pink table linins that I thought would be a great addition to styling Jessica's venue after small talk with the business owner I inquired about the rental price for the table linins and the shop attendant told me the rental cost in presence of her madam I made reservations and gave them the date of my event and left the pink table linins were exquisite I was eager to have them add a lot of panash to Jessica's venue styling On the day of the wedding after the decor had been done everywhere was fabulous the final touch to jazz up the space was the table linins and I hurriedly made for the store to get them I walked in briskly now every decorator understands the urgency of getting a hall ready before guests begin to arrive and the madam hurriedly called out to the shop girl to let me have 60 of the table linins I was a bit taken aback when the madam got up from her usual seat and moved towards myself and the shop girl I had the agreed amount for the 60 linins and handing that over to the shop girl her madam asked how much is that I responded and she said no it's ex Naira and the amount she called was 6 times the agreed amount I was dumbstruck mouth agap I thought to myself what a shark what sort of human took advantage of another person at such a precarious moment I was at the point of tears literally well I'm a fighter and I can never never be leveraged so I squared my shoulders and walked out of her shop I would rather spend 10 times more buying linin from the market than getting her linin at her horrible price a couple years later I'm heading up a project looking to hire the decor services of this same woman for a job that may very well change her fortunes isn't life funny I often tell people who care to listen life is just life and the hand that you deal another will very likely serve you in double fold while it is in my power to exact revenge I choose the high road of unbiased fairness in making a decision of who to hire thankfully I am not a monster rather she did not make me into a monster that was quite noble of you I am not sure that I would have been quite that magna but that was really good but I enjoyed the story and the good part for me is knowing that people's action can't always change me just knowing I meant to do what is right at any point in time is something to keep in mind because driving through Lagos, living in Lagos it makes the monsters of us you just wake up one day and realize an employee has exploited you the landlord knows the last ten hand didn't move out on time it took six months one year and it was going to cut so therefore everybody else has to sign something we are living in a society where we are exerting everyone is becoming a suspect and we are trying to protect ourselves and we are losing our humanness there is no empathy in how we relate even people tweeting sometimes you just have to know that the other person is working a journey of challenge and you have not worked a mile in the Makasim so how do you think you figured it out I hope I'm not the monster I don't think you are the story is humbling and it happens to almost all of us and it takes grace, courage and being deliberate not to become a monster in the society we live in I was discussing with someone recently that in Nigeria which happens almost every day when your car is bashed per another person you try to hit the person in the face I know right to call your insurance or to report to the police but it takes grace it takes courage it takes being deliberate not to allow those kind of things to affect you I had an experience between last year December and now and one of the advice of the doctor is that I should not get too emotional get too angry and I must tell you it's not been very easy I was wondering how the doctor expected him to actually carry out ilegos was he dreaming or did he plan for him to japa relocate japa means relocate for you or you go watch it this story reminds me of something that I ventured into a few years ago interestingly in looking for it wasn't just a side hustle for me it was really more of an offshoot of my upbringing and I became a certified etiquette consultant and it was interesting that growing up and even before I went on to become that I just thought of etiquette as how we eat, how we sit how we engage and it was interesting to discover that in the developed world and in quite a lot of other places maybe in homes but not exactly in schools or in public places behavioral etiquette manners, how you behave, how you engage with other people is actually a part of life and what that woman obviously did was not just about being a shailok or being a monster it actually showed a very deep sense of lack of manners it showed that she had no integrity because we think integrity when it comes to political offices or money or corruption issues but integrity is keeping keeping your word actually in fact in the part of the training first time I saw integrity I was like I will confess I was like what are they talking about and they were like look you know what integrity is simply putting yourself in other person's shoes and it has to look at issues of empathy and some other things so I believe that our society as a whole really needs to not just talk about how we are losing our humaneness but the whole needs to go back to the drawing table and as individuals we need to probably start to decide to educate ourselves our people around us and maybe for a lot of the political people around me because I've heard a lot about politics in the last few weeks maybe we need to make it part of what we're doing yes in all our trainings and our engagement is how do I make the other person feel how do I actually hold my word how can I be held as a person whose word is truth is why when we want to travel out of Nigeria or when we're even representing ourselves as Nigerians we have a certain image so while it may be a bad story and we're thankful that we're not monsters and I found it hard to think that when the time came for me to hire her what would I have done I think it's time for us to look at the general image and the final end point of where we're going to live but then I would have done if I made that one and I had to hire her and I have told her exactly what it was actually did wrong not just in hurting me or in actually creating a problem with my business at that time but the behavioral pattern that she did what she did and how she shouldn't repeat it oh well, you know what they say it's easy for you when the shoes are not on your feet anyhow a famous man once said a good person can make another person good it means that goodness will elicit goodness in society and other persons will also be good join us again next week on another edition of The Advocate while The Advocate continues on our social media platforms on Facebook plus TV Africa hashtag The Advocate NG and Instagram at plus TV Africa same hashtag The Advocate NG to touch up with previous broadcasts log on to plustvafrica.com forward slash The Advocate NG don't forget to 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