 Okay, it's now recording and started. Okay. Oh, hey. Well, Derek Shay is here. Okay, I guess we'll let, we'll let in the, can we let in the attendees? Yeah, you're a co-host. So if you want to be able to. That's fine. And I'll just stay the host until Jason appears. Okay. Jason's here. Oh, okay. I'll promote it. Could you make Jason like the host, maybe? Yep. Absolutely. That's what I was going to do. Okay. Great. Thank you. Hi. How are you? Wow. We have a big, we have a big people in the audience. I mean, I'm happy to elevate anybody who wants to be. You know, a panelist and be able to see everybody if people want to raise their hands for that. Because right now we have 12 attendees. And so I'll just promote people. And Jason is here. Hi, Jason. Thank you for serving as a facilitator. Okay. Tracy. You and Jason are now in control of the meetings. Okay. Leave. So you don't have to hear all the screaming in the background. Okay. Thank you. Have a good meeting. Okay. Jason, I'm promoting people just. Yeah. I'm usually just a participant. Not a host. Right. Well, thank you for. Hosting. I will say that I don't know if Guilford sent you the information I sent around with the agenda, but because you also facilitated at the December 15th meeting. And one of the things that that meeting was we wanted to see Guilford spreadsheet. And because nobody else has the copy of it. So, um, Uh, if without Guilford, this may be a short meeting. Yeah, unfortunately. No, that's okay. I asked him what else I needed. Yeah, no. Yes. So it's like we typically, you know, once a year or so, we just review the list. Um, so I can, I'll just email you what I sent around to the committee. Okay. Um, and hopefully, and we, we do have a quorum of our committee. So we can, I can call that to order in a moment. Um, let me just. Sorry. I'm just trying to, okay. Yeah. And I had, I tried to get hold of Guilford last week and I couldn't. I wasn't able to. So. Okay. Um, all right. Well, let me. Call the meeting to order. Okay. And I mean, and anybody else, he wants to join and see everybody feel free and the tenants, you can raise your hand. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So when Kim is here too. Kim, do you have that statement? Otherwise I can read it. About that. We have a virtual meeting. You should do it. Okay. I looked it up just the other day. Oh, here I have it. Okay. Great. That would be awesome. I accept that. I just, okay. I am in my meeting, sweetie. Yep. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, um, so we are joined today by, um, Jason skills, because Guilford morning was not available to attend today. Um, So we do have the first item on the agenda is, um, we do have the first item on the agenda. Um, we do have the first item on the agenda. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, and the first item on the agenda is a public comment period. So at the time we will entertain any comments from anybody who wants to make any, if you want to raise your hand to we call on you. Um, Uh, Jessica, I think you had your hand up first. I'm sorry if I didn't notice others. I go ahead. You may unmute. There we go. There are a lot of people here tonight because we want we are all members of the North Amherst village center group that wants to share with you the proposals that we've forwarded to the capital resident capital request. They're all transportation proposals we want to present them quickly, so that you know what they are. And if you have any feedback that you'd like to share with us at this time. That would be great because we will be going forward to the JCPC I think that's what it's called with proposal presentations as well. Okay, so Jessica before you speak. I know that make was included on some of the emails I had with Kathy Shane and also with Sean Mangano. And so the instructions that I was given is that the tack. And I shared this with Meg as well and then Kathy Shane recommended that this not come before attack at this time is that I was told that the DPW and the town manager and the council will be reviewing the transportation related proposals that they've received to the citizen request form. And that's, and then they will decide which ones to afford to attack for feedback. I mean I did give make some informal feedback both when she and I met in person and then also an email. So I guess we have not seen your proposal yet. But because of those guidance that I was given including by Kathy Shane who is a member of the JCPC as well as Sean. I don't really. I mean we can entertain some brief comments but I wouldn't want that to be. That's all the majority of our meeting and and also we have not seen those materials yet because I guess make forwarded them to the tack email address and then they were never forwarded to us. So we can try to track that down. And I can ask for additional information from Guilford. Let me let me console you these are very fast. We just want you to hear, you know, in two sentences what we want what we're planning, and also to get your ideas about what what how they fit into town. Okay, so has have has may shared my informal comments that I already made back to her with the sponsors of these four items. I shared that we were not on the agenda. I had been encouraged by Kathy to during public comment to let you know that they're there. That's what we're doing. We're only in speaking. No I understand but I know that I had the Kathy when I reviewed them, like I did offers some feedback. So, I think it would be helpful if you did, even though that was informal feedback and it was just for me alone and not from the committee, like I feel like it would be helpful to share that. Great. We didn't hear that. What you know I mean the email that you that you and I had sent before we know it. All right, so go ahead, Jessica. Um, may I share my screen because that's fine. That will help. So, these are four, four proposals. I'm going to speak on one of them. I just wanted to anchor you in the neighborhood so that you understand what it is we're asking for. And I'm sorry if somebody has their sound on in the background, can you please read yourself. Thank you. Okay, the first one is the valley bike stand up here on Coles Road in front of North Square. The other three have to do with this neighborhood down here and Harris and Fisher. And I'm going to talk about the crosswalk that we requested Harris and Fisher. Fisher and Harris streets as you can see, cut off the traffic light at Pine Meadow North Pleasant. A lot of people walk that on Fisher and Harris a lot of people bicycle on Fisher and Harris, and a lot of people drive on Fisher and Harris. I'm going to talk about the walkers in the, and the panelists in your document the Amherst bicycle and pedestrian network plan. You have a suggestion that for neighborhoods without sidewalks which is Fisher and Harris that they can be drawn on the road essentially to make pedestrian lanes on the road. This will make it possible. If we do that in green to create a crosswalk of the pedestrian lane across Pine Street to the to the sidewalk. Along Pine making pedestrian and bicycle traffic much safer. I don't think that we're going to get people to stop walking on Harris and Fisher streets. So I think we need to do something to make them much safer. Thank you. I'll stop sharing now. Okay, thank you. Great. Okay, so. Yeah, sure. I think Derek Shay had his hand up first or next. I'm happy to delay and wait, perhaps was second or third to put my hand up but however you all want to. Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't keep very good track I had other things open so was hiding some of you on the screen when I first got this so Lisa why Lisa why don't you go ahead. I would like Derek to speak instead of me. Oh, okay. My name is Derek. I don't see. Oh, Derek. Yes. Bald headed Scottish. I see you. Yes, you just spoke. So, yeah, so my name is Derek Shay. I currently reside 31 Harris Street. And I'm Hearst. This is my family will lived in the street for approximately 23 years. It's a beautiful little L shaped Harrison Fisher. One of the issues that we have struggled with over a number of years here is the high volume of what I would call fast cars driving through the sort of L version of our neighborhood. This goes back many, many years. And essentially I think what you would see Harrison Fisher is as a shortcut. And I'm Tracy probably knows much more about if that's what it's called in the vernacular these days but it's essentially a shortcut. And what's the point of a shortcut I think to get from a to B as quickly as possible right you know we all go to the big Y and CVS or an airport and we try and choose the line that will get us through things as quickly as possible. And one of the things that happens in our street is that for a couple of different reasons. One is that quite close by approximately about 200 meters to the west section of Harris Street. There's there's an intersection with five roads that meet together you're all, I'm assuming very familiar with these five roads. And so over the last say four or five years there's been some adjustments made to the lights there for positive reasons I think to try to allow traffic to turn left and right, rather than being stuck. I think essentially what's happened is, is that there's been these large tailbacks on Pine Street and meadow. And subsequently, people have started to be, I would essentially guess frustrated at being held in the Pine Street line. And then essentially start to take a shortcut through on to Harris. They drive rapidly down the 200 meter lane there and then take a right turn on to Fisher, and move forward the same rapid pace, not everyone, but a fairly large number where this has developed into a safety issue for drivers, walkers, children, pets, various other things. One other quick thing I'll just add and others can add to this is that again three, four or five years ago, in a very positive way the street was repaved. Thank you very much to the time for doing that. I think it is probably and again, I'm sure some of you have expertise in this that I don't have. I think when you have a broken road with lots of potholes and various problems, people are apt to drive slower or more cautiously. But with all of this new road that we got, which is beautiful. I see a rapid pace. I'll leave you with two quick examples. I was coming home from school in the fall, taking a left turn from Pine on to Harris. There had been a large tailback. It was a Thursday or Friday. I took a left turn on to Harris to drive down to my house, which is probably about 150 metres down the street. I was driving slowly because I saw one of my neighbours up and a car had taken a left turn behind me, subsequently passed me on the road because they were clearly looking to make a shortcut. They weren't going to do well on their shortcut if they were stuck behind me because I was driving slowly. So that's one thing that happened. Quite recently, it was that a driver was driving down the street rather rapidly and was attempting to turn on to Fisher and slid because they were driving so fast into the mailbox or the driveway of John and B, who live in the corner. I think there's a safety issue developing in our street. It's probably been there for a while. Our hope would be that you'd be able to help us in some way, whether it be a bumps or whatever it may be, but we need some assistance to help make this change. Excuse my longevity. All right, thank you. All right. Kathleen was definitely had her hand up for a while. Hi, Kathleen Carol. I'm at 11 Fisher Street. I have been here for 13 years. I was here when the street was bumpy and with potholes. And I have very much appreciated the new asphalt but I will tell you that the new asphalt. I'm very much encouraged people to drive much, much faster. And the other thing is, because they're driving faster and because the road is so smooth there. It's quiet and you don't hear the traffic come around the corner. So you could be in your yard and just turn your head and there's a speeding car going by. And then after two streets, basically turn it to a super highway between 630 in the morning and nine in the morning, the rush hour for people going into campus and then rush hour leaving between 230 and about 530. A couple of things. I have taken it into my own hands over the years to do my own traffic control for about five years. I repeatedly put out black seed bird seed in the road to attract birds and squirrels in the road to slow down the traffic. I have to say that in the five years that I did do it, I only killed one squirrel. So the other thing that I regularly do is I put out orange cones. For years I had done that, especially when my grandchildren were younger. And they were riding bikes on the street. So I am one of the persons who submitted a proposal for a speed hump on Fisher Street and I really like you to consider it. Thank you. Great. Thank you Kathleen and Meg. Thank you. Meg gauge. I also live in the village center of North Amherst. And I'd like to speak briefly about the request for a valley bike station in the mill district. And let me just quickly remind you, which that very much of Amherst planning the Amherst master plan as well as the wonderful transportation that we all have done over the years is about village centers in North Amherst is sometimes overlooked, but I just want to remind you what we have in North Amherst as a village center. We have a post office, a library, a recreation area that has tennis and now pickle ball court swimming pool and a brand new basketball area. We have shops, we have restaurants. We have a high end in the black well not in we have an art gallery that's one of the few in town that features local artists, the survival center. We have both affordable housing and family neighborhoods. We have a national registry of historic places. We have peppers pond. We have to co housing communities and extensive farmland and conservation land that's within a half a mile, or less actually a few hundred yards of the village center. Bikes is a wonderful resource that enables people to ride bikes more who don't have bikes and who want to ride a bike to get from place to place everybody knows what they are. The furthest north that valley bike station is at Puffton village. It's totally inadequate for the huge number of pedestrians and bicycle potential bicycle riders who live in North Amherst. It's an especially appealing proposal because beacon, the, the, or the company that built the mill district housing has pledged $20,000 toward a match. So it's to me it's an absolute no brainer we need to help people ride bikes we need we have a whole bunch of ideas by the way these are just for, but if anybody's interested you can see we had a master plan study group that met multiple times 15 people. I see Eve she was part of it and we made a number of recommendations about pedestrian and bicycle safety that we could share with you if you're interested but this valley bike station is just a complete no brainer since we, we give up $20,000. If we don't do it. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mike, and Scott. Hi, good evening everyone. My name is Scott Paul I live on Fisher Street and I just wanted to quickly comment again about the proposal for speed humps. I've been living there about seven years, one by Fisher Street and we have two younger daughters. So safety is certainly a big concern of ours. When you look at the vehicle traffic that's happening. Derek has actually acted as a speed bump in one situation where my four year old was, you know, traveling up the streets and got away from me, because I had my one year old in my hand. So, I've had at least two close calls this year with my daughters and cars passing us extremely high speeds. I do have some concerns with the proposal so I just want to make sure that those are known. We do have a drainage issue on Fisher Street, regardless because of the slope of the land and the water running down hair street turns on the Fisher, there's no gutters and no curbs and so it flows into our yards and lawns. It's a very difficult situation. The last seven years I've spent studying it, getting estimates and we spent a lot of money grading our lawns putting in extending our rain gutters, 20 feet away from our house. We've spent $36,000 putting in a drain system to get the water that's hitting the basement walls and footer completely away from the house. I'm a little cautious about speed bumps because it can divert water and any change in the condition could potentially flood a neighbor's house or worse. The other thing too is I think we have to think about, of course, careful planning, what type of speed bumps, if they're small yellow ones that get hit by the plows, they do look pretty bad and they're rough on the cars. There are gentle speed humps that are bigger and longer and you can actually bike over would be nice. But I think I'm just request thoughtful planning on whoever becomes part of that proposal. Curbs and drainage is certainly an issue, but I don't, you know, I want to discourage drivers coming down our street but I don't want to discourage people from living on our street at the same time. I think there's this delicate balance of speed humps to definitely lower the risk of injury to people and animals, because you're reducing the number of cars you're reducing the speed, but also doing it in a very, very, very thoughtful way that doesn't cause more problems. So, I think Derek to for for what he said I definitely echo his exact opinion about the traffic intersection. I won't repeat it, but it's backing up on pine street so again any kind of advice thoughts or planning that can be done to help with that intersection and our streets would be much appreciate. Thank you. Thanks, and Lisa, sorry. Go for it. Hi thank you can you all hear me. My name is my name is Lisa Pierce pony pass I live at 30 Harris Street and I moved here 16 years ago with my husband and our little daughter who was who had her first birthday in our house. We moved to this street just because of what Derek said was that lovely L. This is one of those unique streets and Amherst where you don't have a busy street. In the years as you can see from this call, many of us are very close as neighbors because are especially on Harris Street, you can almost feel like our front yards are big football field, because we've always felt that was easy for us to go over to the neighbors, just like walk over there our kids would run over to each other's homes. And as you can see on this call we're all very united on this front because we really care about our pets, our children, our elderly, and as I was the person that wrote the Harris Street hump speed bump speed hump I think was better than speed bumps. Since then, I've had a lot of discussions with my neighbors about it and I want to ask you all as the Transportation Advisory Committee to really look at what would be the best solution for this change in traffic patterns. It's obviously exacerbated by the fact that we now have the mill district, all those apartment buildings up the street there's a lot more traffic. They change the traffic patterns with a new light system that's caused people as other people have said a lot of inpatient people on Pine Street to come down our streets. There's been other options explored out there which could be like a dead end at the end of Harris and the dead end at the end of Fisher so people cannot connect, but do cars and maybe I'm sorry, bikes and people could walk through there. These are just ideas we're coming up with is random citizens that know nothing about civic engineering or planning, but I just wanted to request to you all that we're all here tonight because we really care about the people who live here. We don't want anybody to have any kind of accidents and as Derek Shay has been in front of our yard many times yelling to get people to slow down. We really care about the people that are here we want to keep them here. So thank you for listening. Great. Thanks to all of you. And, and trade, I trace we can't hear you. I'm sorry. So, yes, I agree. Is there anybody else in the audience who would like to speak at this time. Go ahead, Janet. You need to unmute yourself. Thank you, Tracy and members of the committee. I'd like to add to briefly to what Meg said about the assets in North Amherst Village Center and and talk a little bit about how that goes double now that we that the pandemic is somewhat waning and we have lively new businesses like Cisco's and big basket market and more to come in North Square and also Valley CDC is planning a new condo in development and affordable housing on Ball Lane. So a North Amherst Village Valley bike station at North Square would with dedicated bikes would make it very much easier for North Amherst residents and business visitors to travel between North Square and points along the route to the university and downtown. We hope you'll support our request for $20,000 to match the private funds that have been pledged to make possible a dedicated bike station and North Am North Square. And that would connect people to work to local businesses, the library, the schools, the community conservation and recreation areas. And we really appreciate being with you tonight. And thank you for considering our request. Okay. Thank you. I will say, as I said at the front of this meeting, we are an advisory committee. This is not on our agenda tonight. We cannot take any action on it. And we appreciate hearing from you. And as I said, I know a few of you came late, but, you know, we were told by the finance director and also Kathy Shane agreed with the finance record strict commendation that talk not take any action or make any recommendations on any of the citizen requests until they come to us formally through like the town channels. So we appreciate hearing your comments, but I mean, that's basically where we are limited in what we can do and recommend. And I did when they contacted me originally, I just send her an email. Just with my initial feedback based on my experience as a transportation planner and with my backgrounds. They don't represent the comments of the committee, but there is information there, including about, you know, the difference between speed humps and speed bumps and speed tables and like all those variants. So, in part to like comment on what Scott said, right, that I think the language that Meg mentioned was speed bumps, but typically speed bumps are only those things that you see in like parking lots that are really like up and down. And that's not like typically how you refer to them, but, but we appreciate you all coming to the meeting. So thank you. And I mean, I'm hoping that tack does have an opportunity to weigh in and make recommendations and to see your proposals in full. So, I mean, Meg, if you do want to forward those to me, I can forward them to me. We just hadn't, we just hadn't received them like officially. So I sent an email to the, to the whole committee several weeks ago. That was never sent to tax attention. Yeah. I look, let me reread that and see if it's still relevant, but we did understand that you can't take a position, but your advisory. So we thought, and we were invited to his public comment. So that's, that's what. Absolutely. No, we understand. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Really appreciate it. I hope you know we, you know, we are committed to supporting safety and more better access and more, you know, more friendly neighborhoods and all of those things. I mean, we just also don't have any information on what the budget is like for all these requests and what other pricing requests might be out there in terms of transportation. Right. I mean, there is of course, like many more capital requests that are coming before the town and the town has money for so thank you. Well, the idea of resident. I, you know, maybe none of them will be funded, but the idea was to give residents the opportunity to communicate needs that the town may not be aware of. And that's what we're doing, you know, that's, I'm, we're not nimby's we're just trying to represent. We're yimby's. Yes. Definitely we hear the issues that you're bringing. I mean, it's common for talk to hear from residents of different neighborhoods about different issues. Great. Thank you. Great. So, so thank you. We do have a lot of other business that we need to attend to. So thank you all for your comments. I think this ends the public comment period. And we do have some minutes that we have to approve. Did everyone receive those everyone on the committee receive those there from Thursday, October 20 and Thursday, November 17. Does anyone want to make a motion. Now, and I apologize that I was having trouble sending them I don't know what was going on with my email but thank you for sending them out. I move to prove. Yeah. Are there any, any other comments before we proceed. I mean, I second that. And I guess one thing is that we probably only want the people who were members to vote on those. I mean, we just ask that people would abstain but I'm hoping that they would. Yeah. Well, just because they weren't here. Yeah, we don't need to but for meeting law we don't need to direct their vote. No, of course. Okay, so I guess we'll just head and if there are no other comments. So, all those in favor. Raise your hand. So that's four of us. And so for in favor, any abstain, any one to to abstain. And so that's everyone right. Okay. Great. So those minutes have been approved. Thank you. And so the next item on the list is the annual review of the attack priorities. And I guess we were hoping that. I don't know if it would be here. I don't know and is prepared to do that, but he's run away. No, I mean, I think as I, as I was saying, I had tried to read. I connect with Guilford last week and I didn't manage to do that. And I mean, Jason very kindly attended our December 15th meeting. And we did run through the projects then. But then as we had talked about, right, we really want to see like Guilford's nice spreadsheet where he lists everything. Right. You know, in terms of context. So I think we can go through the projects quickly. You know, in terms of our list and we can see that stuff has. Continuing, you know, to a number of the projects that were on the email that I sent, you know, are in progress, which is great to see and Jason gave us an update on some of those last time. But I guess my feeling is that until Guilford, until we look at that spreadsheet, we're not sure what other requests and things Guilford has had. So it always is always really valuable to do it with Guilford spreadsheet available. How many other people have thoughts on that. I agree. I concur. So. Okay. So, you know, I do have one question. Yeah, I have a question for Jason. I mean, it's on our agenda. Just, can we get an update on the Pomeroy Village intersection? I mean, the work that's there. Um, has it been finished? Oh, Pomeroy Village. No, the intersection, they installed a few of the drains just because. Yeah, right. I just wondering if that work had been done. That was a complete, I should say. Yeah, well, they just got a few of the drains installed what they, what they could get in in time and what they could get in the ground before the asphalt plants close. And then they just, you know, we told them to hold off further until the asphalt plants reopen and then they can restart. Yeah, they're waiting on a pretty big granted order. And a bunch of other stuff. I think we're getting that pretty soon though. So they should be ready to start back up again in March. Okay. I think we're getting the asphalt plants open. Well, and I mean, as we're going through these lists. I mean, I'm sorry, Jason. So I had sent you that email sort of late actually when the meeting started because you hadn't received it. You had just received the agenda, but we had talked last time about the North Pleasant Street. Yeah, some improvements that's a Kendrick, and you would thought that that's going to be on the work plan for the 2023 season. You know, including, including most of that, most of the redesign that had been talked about, including the sidewalk, you know, the additional sidewalks and the crosswalks and getting rid of the grass buffer on the west side and the whole shebang right so. But that's very exciting. So. Secondal parking. Yeah, all that stuff. That's really exciting. Yeah, so raised intersection at McClellan. Okay. Pretty nice. We're only going from McClellan to triangle. Yeah. Right. Other ideas for the piece from. Let's just say how like to make well. Okay. If we can only stop people from going the wrong way. It's still happening a lot. Got better. It's happened a lot over break where there are no cars parked anymore. Huge, I bike there every day and I hadn't seen anyone do that in a while and then all of a sudden it started happening again. It's not restricted with vehicles. I also see residents who live on the street do it and very intentionally. Very intentionally. I stopped their driveway and. And. You know what I'm supposed to, but they don't care. Maybe like, can we have some enforcement? Do we have any. Can we get. A little bit of that. They did do, they did do it a few times for us. Yeah. When they get to the end of the month that they need to write a few more tickets. So. Yeah, it wouldn't hurt to do a little bit more. What's very dangerous. What about a bump out of the curve? So if you're coming from the North, the wrong way, like there would be a curb in your way. And doing the making it orange. Large trucks. What if it's really low, but it's really visible? You could make it mountable, but that kills the counterflow bike lane. Yeah. Well, you can have it cut through for a bike though. Good. I'd have to look into that. We haven't incorporated anything with that in their design. Yeah. They do and Eugene Oregon that are kind of like that, that work really well to stop the wrong way traffic. I have been encountering it often in the evening. So I don't know if it's difficult to see. The signage at night. I think people are just small. I was going to say, is it just residents wanting to come home quickly? Yeah. Well, and just signage. Yeah. Yeah. Just to recap. So Jason. So our new attack member, Joseph, he lives on. Or Joe. You go, do you go by Joe or Joseph? But he lives on McClellan. Oh, you. I live on Cosby. I'm your neighbor. Oh, hey. Yeah. This is Lucia. I've heard that. Yes. She's so cute. Thank you. Anyway. So, you know, Kim, you and Joe know what's going on at the most. Yeah. And it is. And it's amazing too that all of that. Downtown parking demand just disappears. When the students. It's just gone. And I know that. I mean, Andy isn't here today, but like previously, Andy has mentioned that. You know that those. Those spaces were designed, those permit parking spaces were designed for downtown workers. It's like pretty clear that that's not who uses. Exactly. Oh, it's very clear. Yeah. So anyway. But that's cool. It'll be great to have that. And maybe once it's, once it's better, like, you know, once it's actually designed, maybe that will stop people from going the wrong way. Yeah. No, it will be a huge help too. But I mean, if we do have any. Connection with the police, that would be it. I mean, maybe we can invite the police department to one of our future meetings and just talk about, you know, enforcement in general. And the. The variable speed. The variable speed signs and like things like that. So. Okay. Well, we've talked about that. North Pleasant street. Eastman to Pine street. And. Chris Bessup had been here at one of our previous meetings. She had mentioned. I guess our last meeting. Or one of them. And she had mentioned that they are looking at some, like CDBG funds or something to do part of that area. Because it does qualify in terms of like having enough. Low income residents for that, but it wouldn't be that whole corridor. I don't know, Jason, where do you see that moving forward? Any time soon. I know that the CDGV grants, partial CDG grants, money has been sought. We haven't had an answer. Okay. I mean, that's a pretty big stretch too. And I know that there were questions about the funding and also. Doing it. Very, very. If you could get UMass to. Contribute it all since that's such like an important UMass corridor. Looking at a joint tip funded project. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, looking at a joint tip funded project. The corridor through campus. Through side walk. Hmm. I'm having a hard time. Jason. Oh, do I need to lean in. Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah, my settings. I usually have to crank. I don't know what was with this. does not work great with my set. I have to jack up the volume like to the maximum for anybody to hear me. So I'll just try to lean in and speak more clearly. Yeah, that's fine. That's cool. Yeah, and so the joint tip project, so who would be the joint part of it? Would it be UMass in the town of Amherst or? Yeah, and they would help with the right-of-way acquisition type stuff because we'd have to widen, the right-of-way is not wide enough through campus to accommodate all the different users we want. Half of the sidewalk is UMass. One of the things we noticed on our, I mean, we toured it a couple times as a committee just to look at it when Guilford asked us for the feedback. And in some sections, particularly north of North Village, the sidewalk on the east side is very narrow. And then it's even made more narrow by overgrowth of vegetation and run-off and things that it's this little kind of almost goat path. And you can see that students are using it a lot. I mean, that's such a heavily traveled pedestrian corridor. So I know that there's not a lot of money for that, but what would it take for the town to just clean the road or clean the footpath? I mean, remove the debris off the footpath, cut back the vegetation so that it's actually accessible. I mean, without going and redoing it just as a temporary measure. I mean, that's something that you can go with a bobcat and do, right? Not really a bobcat. Once the asphalt gets uneven, it's really hard to just scrape. You know, it's like a certain mud that kind of falls in and grass that overgrows it. Sidewalk plows do a decent job of a little bit of widening, but ultimately it's really something you need to. And you really need to raise them up because over a long period of time, they become the low spot where the road comes up every time you pave it. And the sidewalk, unfortunately, becomes sort of a weird paved gutter that may be offset from the road. So I was just thinking about a temporary measure to at least clean it off. But if you're actually requiring people to go in there with a spade, then it's not potentially. The other thing I would like to see, Guilford had brought this up at one of the meetings, is when I was talking about, for example, along Belcher Town Road, that sometimes there's still a lot of grit and things on the sidewalk after the winter, is that it is actually the property owner's responsibility not to clean only snow and ice, but also to clean sand and stuff too. And of course, to do the vegetation. I mean, I do have a few neighbors like on Amity who insist that there's no way that they can cut back their bushes that are like taking up half the sidewalk. But I mean, it really, they have that responsibility, and it has to be accessible. And so I would love to see public information campaign. I mean, the town has done that a little bit about the snow, but also I wasn't aware that it also extended to like, and of course, vegetation, but also just about making sure that your response was for that part in front of your house. So I'd love to see enforcement. If there was any way we could actually start sending out letters and even. Jason, you know, what would make that more possible, either enforcement or an educational campaign? We would need some sort of an enforcement agent. We don't. That's not something we have in house. I mean, there's zoning enforcement at Town Hall. There's police. There's parking. For some of the snow enforcement, we did for a short while have the assistance of the parking folks. But that was a very brief period. And I'm not exactly sure why that dried up, although we haven't had a whole lot of snow either. So. No, well, you know, Guilford Guilford had volunteered at like some of the past meetings, including like the GL meetings because they've been revealing the snow and ice bylaw in my request. But that that DPW could, you know, if that power was given to DPW that they could assist with snow and ice, like the bylaw enforcement and things. And he mentioned how like when he came to Amherst, like he was given like a ticket book and that you could hypothetically write tickets. I mean, that power does not rest with DPW right now. The current bylaw says it's only the police that enforce it. But but that could be definitely. I'd like to see it expanded just beyond snow and ice because we haven't had a big winter, but it is a general issue just in terms of the vegetation and everything. Yeah, I think, I think another way maybe of getting around this issue too and something I've had some success with is getting delinquent landlords to do things by writing things. There's a rental like site on on the at the town. I forgot what it's called, but you can flag certain houses for doing things like leaving their trash out, having too many cars parked. And I would imagine for not shoveling as well. So, so that's definitely in and in landowners. I mean, rental rent people who rent landlords definitely don't want those violations on their properties. So my question is how does this happen systematically? Cause so far it seems like we have this system where someone just like makes a single complaint and maybe one bush gets trimmed or one little stretch gets trimmed. But what we need for a really robust pedestrian network and I'm working bicycle network that works, you know, at least 10 months a year is for this to just happen. So how do we, how do we have a system where that just happens? Who does it? And yeah. Well, I mean, so that was one of the things that GOL was looking at too, like with snow and ice about whether to extend some of it to like an inspection department, you know, beyond the police department, cause currently it's all police but to extend it to DPW or inspection or whatever. So I would, I would agree that it would be nice to see it be more robust. So. It could very easily be someone's full-time job. And that's, you know, nobody that's got. No, right. Full-time to just do that. Which is where I would hope that like a public information like a campaign with like people to do the right thing since we're never going to have that personnel. I agree with that. Exactly. The concept of like a hundred percent enforcement without, you know, some effort again to Eve's point in a systematic way educating people like a mailing. I know a mailing to everybody probably costs. I can't even imagine how much it costs, you know, 12 or $15,000, but if it's in the budget and you're doing it once a year, you're at least educating everybody, addressing the fact that we have a lot of turnover and helping everybody realize their own obligations. Well, we do, yeah. And I feel like that's just as important as, you know, the education piece in a systematic way happening as the enforcement. I mean, and there are things that go out, you know, from the town periodically, that I knew sometimes like the council on aging will pay you back on it. Like in terms of right, we get the water sewer bills and we get like property tax things. And sometimes there's like inserts in there or if we ask for some, you know, PRs. You do robust warning ticketing, you know. Right. Oh, of course, yeah. I live in a rented unit for a very frugal landlord. He would respond, but he would not be very pleased if he received a ticket. I mean, in Philly, everyone just did it because it cleared their property, you know, their sidewalk because otherwise you get sued by someone would trip and get sued. So everybody, it was almost universally people just shoveled and cleared because of litigiousness, you know, which we don't have here, thankfully, but. Yeah, I think we need to do some PR on that. So, I mean, I can bring that up to TSO, the town services and outreach. I mean, typically tech items go to them, but also they are like the town services and outreach committee, like in terms of PR on this. So. Right. And it's not even the whole town, right? Because not everybody has a sidewalk or no, for sure. Most people don't have sidewalks, in fact. So. Yeah. OK, so just moving through this list again, some of this we talked about with Jason at that December meeting, but I'm excuse me, I have a bit of cold. So he's pleasant when we talked about it before, Jason, and you had mentioned that there's like a huge right away there. And you didn't think because of that, you didn't think it would be difficult to actually do some of that sidewalk addition, right? Like over the long haul, which side it goes on. And it's sort of a matter of like there's going to be some trees that need to go to accommodate it. And we try to we try to avoid as many as possible, especially the significant one. But yeah, we have to survey and we're is the survey done. Yes, surveys done. It's in our hands. We just need to that's fantastic need time and bodies to start looking at it. Oh, that's fantastic. I was part of a neighborhood group that talked to neighborhood people. I'm in one of the side neighborhoods along that stretch. And the neighborhood people and the people on East Pleasant really felt like we needed a sidewalk on both sides because it's a pretty treacherous street to cross. And what we want is for kids and elderly to be able to walk. And so it's just it's not viable. And and and another thing is, you know, to look carefully at the bus stops and whether there could be ways to have landings at the bus stops and cross at the bus stops. Anyway, for sure. What is basically as you're able, you're going to start sort of playing around with kind of initial designs. Is that the idea? Yeah, yeah, we were piled pretty high right now. But we everything's got once we have a survey that's a huge step towards the next step. So right. Oh, yeah. As soon as we get our heads above water, we can start doing another design. But we keep getting we get a lot of projects. I know there's a lot of projects that take up all our design time or other grant, you know, and it's a lot of its grant money. And I understand you've got to get grant money, you've got to spend it. So you've got to finish the designs and finish those when there's no actual money. It's it gets sideburner a lot. Well, like Pomeroy, right? I mean, the Pomeroy project has to be finished because. Yes, because we got that money is going to go. They'll don't have all our easements in place. Got it. And then the pedestrian access to Graf Park, I mean, it's seen. That's the next one on our list, you know, that we've identified before. I mean, it seems like that's pretty much done. Isn't that totally done? There's that's awesome. You have one nasty gram that out to Verizon, they need to trim. They've got a guy wire that kind of gets you in the forehead. If you were walking, if you were biking, especially on the sidewalk, you'd probably catch it in the forehead. But it's a diagonal guy wire and they have these arms that they put on. And and ever source did their part. So there's a guy wire for ever source and then the guy wire for Verizon. Ever source can move theirs, but they can't touch Verizon's and Verizon. Once ever source does theirs, Verizon is supposed to get a note that says, go do yours. And those inter utility communications are horrible. And now, so where is that located? Which part of it is the last pole before the entrance to Graf Park? Oh, OK, on Millie. Yeah, if I had a car that was ready for the graveyard, I might just drive through it. Wow. So the other thing there is that I don't think that people always realize that that little pedestrian bridge is like near that home. Yeah, like that's actually like a public bridge. But there's a crosswalk to it. So where there has to be. I just feel like people don't. I mean, it looks like it's like part of their house, sort of. I just we signage over there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you could. We have two signs. We have we have signs that say public access and we have a second sign that says, please be respectful to private landowners. Yeah, it is an easement across their property. You don't want people like. Well, and then the main bridge, like on 116, right, it's got that like super rusted out railing and things still. So no, I mean, it's nice that you can take that pedestrian bridge. But yeah, yeah, maybe that's that rusted out railing. Excellent. And then let's see. So and so one thing we had talked about, I mean, the committee, the next one on our list was Potwine and West Street. So previously, Tak has just talked about and Guilford to just about having like a multiple, like a series of small roundabouts that like different intersections going along south, you know, 116. Going towards a notch, right? The in between. And possibly having a roundabout at that intersection at Potwine. Got a few concepts on that. Just one's got Splitter Island, one got this, one's got that. Actually, PVTA came up with some grant money to put in actual bus stops there. Oh, that's right. It's not a whole lot of money. Sort of a blessing in disguise. So I think what we're going to we're going to work on another concept. It's not the whole getting caboodle, but we're going to move the bus stops a little farther north and they currently are and give us a little bit more space. And then and it gets us away from a wetland. There's one side that's got grading issues. One side's got a wetland. The Hampshire College side has a wetland. The Potwine Lane side has a very steep drop off. If we move them a little further north, a little closer to that Glendale Road, I think. If we move a little closer to Glendale, we have a little bit more space. We don't have to deal with the grading or the wetland and we can utilize the PVTA funds appropriately. I don't I think we still need a little more money on top of it, but it still works. And I think we would just extend a short side. We put a crosswalk in, extend a short sidewalk down to Potwine Lane and just have it end at Potwine to connect that. And I think it's it's a small improvement, but it's an improvement overall. That would be a big improvement. Awesome. I mean, I mean, I think, you know, the issue of having a crosswalk there because there is the bus stop on both sides and then also just the high use of the Potwine fields. Yeah. Right. That that comes up a lot. It's just I mean, somebody had emailed me said, well, you know, crosswalks are you just put down a bunch of lines? And I was like, well, you have to make sure they're safe. You can't particularly like on the state road because it. Oh, no, it's actually a town road, right? Up to the nach, is that right? But but I mean, I don't feel comfortable with the whole just like, you know, put down some lines on the road and it's a crosswalk because you just have to make sure that it's going to be safe. The biggest consideration or the biggest consideration for crosswalks are the visually impaired. And if you put a crosswalk to nowhere, you just stranded a blind person in the middle of nowhere. Like there has to be sidewalk on both sides of the road to have a legit crosswalk. Otherwise, you're just leaving yourself open for huge problems. So I thought I remembered you talking years, not years, but two or three years ago about the Northampton study. If I forget which one it was, but it was like Northampton and Hampshire County bike and ped planning or something. And they talked about a way that you could have a crosswalk that goes across to a street, you know? And I thought you were the one who like brought it up in one of our meetings and said it might be possible. I've had 88 classes since then that say absolutely not. You have to have the tactile strip that for visually impaired, you have to have visual contrast or less visually impaired. And there has to be a route that someone, you know, if they say they're using the directional cane, they have to be able to feel the edge of this and feel the edge of that and have some guidance to stay on a route. Don't know of any good ways around that. Yeah, so I was at an ADA curb ramp and pedestrian like route class last week that was like being run by for a MassDOT. And the presenter was Ted Green, who like does stuff with the New Jersey like LTAP. But he also, he just has a lot of like ADA awareness stuff for facilities planning in general. And I mean, he did show examples in cases like where you could have a crosswalk, like even if you don't have sidewalks and stuff adjacent, you know, particularly if the municipalities thought that they might have a sidewalk later or something. But I agree that there are some problems with it. I think the sidewalk later thing is a trip. No, I know I just I mean, you know, he gave a lot. We went through like a lot of examples about how some places will do it and so on. But but I can see how that can I mean, that that has come up to. Well, I mean, the Dona requests, which haven't been shared. But that was one of the things that they wanted to have a crosswalk. To like a side of the street that doesn't have a sidewalk or anything. So speaking of the Dona request, I was curious, Jason, what you thought of their idea of having the dead ends where the where Fisher and Harris meet. I'm guessing you'll probably say you need to have a way for emergency vehicles. So like, OK, what if we do it in a way that emergency vehicles could could go over? Hang on, I don't think we can talk about it. Yeah, I don't want to talk about it. Oh, we can. OK, sorry. I apologize. No, yeah, we'll go. But that was one of the I know that that's one of the requests to about I just wondered about the feasibility of that at all. But anyway. Yeah, I know, but we've been told not to talk about it. Yeah, so I agree. I apologize. Thank you. Um, OK, the list. And I think that was the last one was about and this has come up a number of times. I think the attack disgusted before I was on the tack, but just about redesigning south and common. We've done a lot. And how I mean, I think that DPW did have a plan once right to make some sections of it one way. And improve the sight lines and things and that thing. I think on our wall in the engineering office for the work of art. Oh, really? We should we should revisit it again. I mean, I've been involved with TAC for four or two three and a half years now, and I've never seen it. But about 10 years ago, we. OK, that. There's a lot. Of very embedded residents. Who I'll I'll just do a direct quote that was that was. Very loudly shouted. Don't change anything. Just stop the speeding. Not that easy. We left that meeting just with our tail between our legs and just like. Blaming pitchforks and torches at our backs. It was horrible. But. There has been a lot of. Property sales. Yeah, in that area, a lot of houses have changed hands. I would be willing to try first that design again. Yeah, well, and I mean, I want to Justin. I mean, maybe this maybe this happened before your time, Tracy. I'm sure you remember a bit. But Guilford brought us that design and we came up with a plan and a recommendation to do some was it some traffic studies can. Yes, but it was traffic studies. But then COVID then right, there was actually a couple seasons and then it happened and then everything you don't. And there was maybe like some way where Shays would be one way. But no, not for emergency vehicles. There were some specific things that were in a really limited plan that was going to be studied that the TAC did develop with Guilford. Right. And we also had a number like of public outreach, even down there right at the at the library down there, too. I mean, it seemed unlike your experience, Jason, it seemed. Yeah, there was a lot of support at that time. Again, this was maybe for three or four years ago. It seemed like there was support like more support. Yeah, I think there is more support now. I mean, I guess the other I guess one suggestion is and I could phrase it like with the district five counselors is maybe that, you know, if that's something that the district five counselors are interested in, like that's something that could be kind of looked at more or something like if they feel like there's going to be support for it. The reason the traffic studies couldn't go forward with COVID is because there was no more traffic, right? There was no students. Right. So the whole idea is once we have students back to to, yeah, that that it seems like that study, that plan could be brought back was a pretty modest plan that wasn't as ambitious as that one that I think you had that experience with. Original, yeah. Yeah, well, that can be I can ask them or if, you know, well, we don't have any members in district five, but they do about it. He'll remember. They do have, yeah, we could we could bring it up there to again. But as you said, Jason, I mean, you guys do already have a lot of current projects. But but that could be something, you know, come back to the town like in a future year. Well, thank you. So so we don't have Guilford here to go over his spreadsheet, but it's nice to recap these main projects. And I think if Guilford, if we can't get Guilford to the next meeting, we can, you know, go through his list as well and see if there's anything we want to add in terms of like what we think are priorities. But I mean, do we I mean, I feel like this list is a pretty good list. I don't know if there's anything we think or is missing. Yeah, no one. And what's nice is to see the progress, you know, or. But I mean, I was pretty excited to see that we've made a bunch of progress on that. Yeah, and I real back just real quickly to the North Pleasant Street, the sort of multiuse path and sidewalks. Yeah, one very short, short stretch of this that we're going to squeeze into our sidewalk projects this summer. And that's OK to describe. It's right across from that's where Harris Street comes into North Pleasant Street. There's a weird little spur. Oh, right. Yeah. And it's sort of a shared driveway, but it's technically a town right of way. We call it Old Old North Pleasant Street just because we already have an old North Pleasant Street. Oh, right. This one's further north. Yeah. But so we had to we had to throw probably 10 tons of asphalt at that road before the winter, just because the potholes were getting so bad. So we did that. We still have to plow it. It's still technically our jurisdiction. So at that point, we were we decide, Guilford decided that, OK, we can afford to do this little stretch. We'll do the multiuse path. We'll relocate the bus pull off and we'll create three individual driveways that lead out to the road that will be the homeowner's responsibilities, right? Well, we'll have a better bus pull off, better access, better sidewalk. It's I don't know, is that maybe a 500 foot stretch? Maybe a little long. It's probably it's probably closer to 800 or 1000 foot stretch. So we're working on that. We're going to we're going to throw that out there. We're going to eliminate the old spur of the road. We'll extend the driveways, relocate the bus stop. The bus stop pushes a little further south, and that gives it a little bit more room to actually pull out of the road. So it's a nice little improvement. It's a nice bite sized piece of the budget we can do. So it's and it and and sometimes stuff like that spurs interest in the rest of the project. They see an eight foot wide multiuse sidewalk that's only a thousand feet long. And they're like, why wouldn't you continue that? Well, great. Yes. So we saw that spur. I guess I never really noticed it before until we did like our sidewalk. Yeah. But there's tons of little quirky things like that in this town. So but thank you. Thank you. So that so that has been done. Like parts of it happened. No, no, no, they're going to put it in the work plan for this coming. They're conceptual. You know, we have that conceptual multiuse path design from Eastman all the way to Pine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's still very conceptual. We sat down with that conceptual plan and started working with grating and trees and actual driveways. And it completely changed. It's close to the original concept, but it's it's better. It's more improved. It works better. It avoids some of the bigger, more significant trees. So when was the last time? So we walked that in. Probably like a year ago or so. Have you updated since then? Continued like to update the plans or no, the original conceptual plan is still what it was. We just took this little bite size piece out. Oh, no, no, I understand. OK. OK, now we have to actually implement this. And we started then when you start looking at drainage, you start looking at trees. You start looking at the smaller details, grating, drainage, trees, all that fun stuff. And you're like, oh, we're going to create a giant puddle here if we don't move this here. And we've got to take out that beautiful napple. No, sure. Otherwise, we shift over here, you know, that sort of stuff. The conceptual stuff is the broad brushstrokes and and you just kind of ram a 10 foot path down a three foot lane. And that's your conceptual idea. But yeah. So when we did the walk, like Gilbert had shared with us, like had drives or whatever of the whole, like the plans, like the six pages of the plans or whatever. So, you know, we mark those up in detail. But that's great to hear that we're going to have. So OK. OK, so then I guess we'll move on just for these other updates. And we don't have Andy here to if there were any updates from the TSO. And I guess I don't think the TSO is meeting this week. But I haven't heard. So I did put the GOL review of the snow. And I used bylaw on here because typically GOL meets like every other Wednesday. And so I thought there might be an update. So GOL is the. Like government ordinance legislation. Committee and they like basically review like bylaws and make sure that they like pass muster. And so the past council, including with the past council, there had been a committee, including with Bernie Kubiak, who was on it, who had previously been on attack. And like, they went through like all the bylaws and they tried to like clean them up and this one was left. Including because there were some questions about the list of the streets that as a courtesy, the town will currently plow like when they the sidewalks when they can, but not always. And does the end so now some homeowners think that they don't have any responsibilities plow and things like that? And should there be any changes to the bylaw? Because of that, I had also I had also brought up just just the issue about enforcement about, you know, you know, because I think it's really I don't know how much enforcement actually happens right now with the police department. It's hard to sort of make a request for enforcement. You know, I ended up having to call like what I was told is to call the police dispatch line and just to like clarify that process. And then some of the members had suggested, oh, well, maybe, you know, and Guilford had offered like maybe DPW could help with enforcement or maybe Inspector could help when GOL members suggested. And the GOL members are all members of the council because it's a council committee who reviewed things before it comes to the full council. And somebody said, well, maybe Crest could do it or things like that. So it's still going back to GOL. It's just GOL has also had a lot of other stuff on their plate. So I'm assuming that GOL will be meeting again, you know, in the next either next week or the week after I did reach out to the GOL chair person, Michelle Miller, and I haven't heard back. And then I also just had this recap of the district for a nighttime pedestrian safety walk with the town manager. So it was organized by the district for counselors. Pam Rooney and Anika Lopes. And it was it was not super attended. It was going to be a really rainy night. But we walked from Kendrick Park, like up to Strong Street and back. We did get some nice coverage of it. Western Mass News was there. There was like a video done and. And we had like there was a nice article written. I can share those links. One idea they talked about. Is one having other walks in the district for area, but then also maybe, you know, encouraging such walks at night in other districts as well. Like along pedestrian corridors, because it is just so informative to have those. There are a few things that came out of that walk, which I attended. One was just noting that at the PBTA bus shelters, like that there is no light. And even the one along East Pleasant Street, like if you didn't know and there's not any street lights near that either. So if you didn't know that that bus shelter was there, you know, you might not know that that was a bus stop in the dark. And also just along that section of East Pleasant Street, where there's like a steep area. Where on the west side of the street, where there's those really steep roads that go up to like, you know, the overlook sort of like overlooking the Chancellor's House. There's a two different streets. And now some people get confused about Mount Pleasant and what's the other one? Mount Pleasant. And Mount Pleasant, right. And also just the difficulty when you come down from those about turning like left out of them if the sight lines are bad. And how some pedestrians, when they're walking along East Pleasant Street, and they get to that one section. Um, that they assume that like they need to walk down to the road. Like when they hit pokeberry, I guess. Yeah. And that you're actually supposed to walk on that tiny street that goes like past a bunch of the garages and to clarify some of that. But just in terms of the slope there, because there is a section that has a railing, but then there's a section without a railing. And it can be really dark. So one of the things that TV crew did when they were filming is, of course, it was all lit up because there was a TV crew. But then in the middle of it, they turned off their camera like they turned off the light for their camera. You could see like how dark it is, which is pretty telling. So I do hope that there will be some other such walks around such walks around different neighborhoods. So and we don't have any other other updates from the council or TSO. I just put a little comment in the chat. Just you ever mentioned about the light made me wonder if that location that you're talking about on North Pleasant, there could be a light added because when we did the North Pleasant Walk, whatever that was five years ago, one of the things we said is there's not enough light and there's so many students that walk on that corridor. It would be a great place to add lights. And I know lights in this town, there's a lot of discussion. People are worried about light pollution. Guilford's told us that there's sort of new kinds of lights that are kind of lower. They point down their LED. Like it's not a place where you could add one of those to sort of try it out and see how it works. About on Old North Pleasant Street. Yeah. The section where we're doing. Old North Pleasant Street, right? Yeah, so we're so next to Kendrick Park where we have a full lighting plan. Oh, I actually meant the old, old North Pleasant Street. The one, the one like up to Pine, yeah. Don't have any lighting planned for that. And there's no, well, no, we have a control box. Not too far. The source of power is always tricky. And you're not near a signalized intersection. But that is near a signalized intersection and we could consider it. Just not something we really budgeted for in a small chunk we're doing. Yeah, I don't know how expensive those are. It's just, since the lighting has been such a point of contention, it seems like it would be great to just get one out there for people to sort of see how it looks. Well, one of the things that I like what PBTA does is they have these little solar powered lights that they place at the bus shelf. Even if there's not a shelter sometimes, it'll still put, it's like a little LED solar powered light and it somehow has the bus schedules on it as well. So it gives you the schedule for that particular bus route and lights up the, it's not a bright, bright light, but it's decent. At least it's, you're not standing in the pitch dark. Yeah, I mean, what we were really talking about is a light that would be bright enough and the intervals would be close enough that someone can bike at night. And when they're moving a little bit faster and not have total shadow in front of them. But that seems like that's what brings up the contention in town where people are like light function and other people are like safety. And so that's a tough one to navigate. But that's why I was thinking like an example of what you guys think might be able to be both. Anyway, it doesn't have to be there, but there's an opportunity for a trial location in a normally dark place. It could be great. It's so good to read this. I mean, so I just mentioned just like with my own interest and also in part because of the street lights proposed street lights by law from counselors Hanikki and Devlin Gauthier that were proposing, to maybe significantly turn off a number of street lights in town. Like I have been looking a lot at like best practices for lighting at night and how you can have lighting that's compatible with dark skies. And I think like Flagstaff, Arizona, which is like, I think the first designated dark skies community has like good practices on that. And things like that. I mean, so I'm happy to share some of that information if that's something that the town ends up doing more of. And I know, I mean, the by-law that proposed by-law which hasn't come back out of TSO yet, but that there were two parts of it. And one had Laura's looking at the actual lighting fixtures themselves. And then the second part was where should lighting be? So anyway, but I saw one thing that had come up and it came up on the walk that this district four walk is that with some of the new utility poles that ever source put in, like they have this, they had the shorter poles and then in a lot of neighborhoods they, or streets they put in those taller poles is that when the taller poles went in the street lights were moved higher like away from the roadway as well. Which actually can, I don't see a lot of like safety kind of fit of that, but it, and it can increase glare and sort of spread. But Guilford, do you know, I mean, Jason, do you know anything about sort of why that was done or are there other options with that or? Don't know, that's a really tricky one. They didn't even, wherever they hired for a subcontractor was not paid to relocate or reset the Cobra headlights. Okay. So in many instances they ducked tape, they took the Cobra head down to give up the new pole and they would duck tape the Cobra head to the pole unwired, dismantled and unwired to leave for our electrician who then had to get with ever source to install and energize them. So it was, it was a complete afterthought in their pole replacement project. And I was told actually that in some places like it ended up being like DPW, he came out and they're the ones who actually installed the, this is how you're saying that they're DPWs the ones who installed them. But then it was also mentioned to me that there's something about like how much like real estate, if you will, that the town could use on the pole or something and that's part of why they were moving up to. Yeah, you can only be between here and here. This is, you know, this belongs to electric, this belongs to us, this belongs to cable, this belongs to phone. Okay, I just got it. Yeah, there is only one section of the pole we're allowed to use. There's no flexibility. But it just seems that, I mean, in a number of places like where the new poles went in and then the street lights went up taller, like there are people who are complaining about. We dimmed the light, yeah. So, washed out. We're also just in it's more going into like peoples, you know, upper story windows or that kind of stuff. But, so there's nothing really that the town can do about that. I guess it sounds like. I mean, I suppose the only thing you could really look at is you could look at the specific fixture and specific lenses because they have these magnification lenses that you can change the bulb to a slightly different bulb style or spread and then you can change the lens so that it has either, you know, you can get lenses that do a perfect circle, you can get lenses that do like an oblong oval. The oval can be in this direction or that direction. So there's options. It's just systematic. You're doing it takes a lot of time. Oh, for ant cost and I mean everything. I think that was one thing. Duck taping them to the poles was like, what? They didn't even tell us that. And there are like hundreds of, I mean, the last street lights inventory, I saw that there was like hundreds of street lights in Amherst, right? Oh yeah. I mean, but anyway, so I just wanted to draw people's attention in case people didn't see it that Joe did put a note in the chat just about Amherst College like doing similar, like nighttime walks, which is a great thing. That's great to hear. I mean, I know just, you know, when I've heard the comments about concerns about light pollution in Amherst, including at the TSO meeting that I'm always struck by like the Amherst College seems like they do a pretty good job of having light fixtures and a lighting plan at night that is really localized lighting. And that, you know, if you look at contrast at like the UMass campus, and I know James Blundenthal came to like one of the TSO meetings and presented, but I mean, you know, the UMass is so lit up at night. I mean, I have friends who live like in Hatfield or other places across the Connecticut and they can see UMass. Like I'm sure UMass can be seen for many, many miles, right? And so you don't get that at Amherst College at all, which is really to Amherst College credit, though the fields that are on Route 9 on North Hampton Road, sometimes those are on all night, which I'm not sure why that has to be. Well, I mean, I went through a similar process at Georgia Tech was part of the group that did the walks. Did the, I mean, at least on the state college campuses they're basically looking to make it as visible as it possibly is so that you can see anybody around you, right? And for safety's sake, purely for safety's sake. And so they were certainly looking way back when I did it to increase as much, you know, to provide as much lighting as possible for that sort of situation. So it may be a difference in philosophy between the private and the state colleges. Sure, yeah. But it is, I feel like some of you- Kim, we can't hear you, sorry. I was going to say in the box, right? I mean, Amherst College doesn't have Amherst College got plenty of, so. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like UMass it's a little overkill. I mean, all night long it's like very bright, like all of campus, but- Yes. It's a recognition of the fact that, you know, grad students or anybody undergrads walk around at two in the morning and they want to feel safe. And you don't feel safe when it's twilight. I think there's a balance, right? Anyway. I'm just reminding everyone that our meeting is short. No, I think that's good. Okay, so in terms of our next meeting, do we want to... I'm not sure, unfortunately, like when the next TSO meeting is because they normally have a schedule, but I haven't seen their new schedule. I mean, we typically try to meet like twice a month or so. And so we could decide to have our next meeting on February 2nd or we could wait until the 9th and then it will be like school vacation week. I mean, what if people in February is a short month too. So are you suggesting February 9th or what are you suggesting? Well, I guess. I mean, I feel like February 9th, which would be three weeks that maybe that makes sense. Yes, I agree with that. But then we probably wouldn't meet then two weeks after that because then it would be like school vacation week. So maybe we just have one meeting in February. Do you guys think that that makes sense? And I mean, we have not been getting any referrals or anything from TSO. So I feel like... I mean, just so long as we can get, find a date that Guilford can make. Yeah, no, of course. So why don't I reach out to Guilford? I mean, if Guilford can't make the 9th, then we want to say the 16th then. Yeah, why not? Okay, all right. Let's try for the 9th and then do the 16th. Okay. And I know, unfortunately, like, I mean, Christine typically needs to leave at 6.30. So unfortunately, she left before you had time to talk about it. But if we, maybe if we could play like with the, like the starting time or something, I feel like she has an ongoing conflict where she had needs to leave by 6.30. Yeah. So. Yeah, that's fine. You can just... I mean, so maybe some meetings, you know, we could meet at five or something, unless that's too much of a conflict for people. Sure. I think that could be it. Okay. Great. Okay, thank you all. Yeah. See you guys. All right, take care. All right, take care. Take care. Bye, Jade. All right. Thanks, Jason.