 My name is Falcon Liu from Play Nitride. I'm marketing director and in charge of new business development and also all things about marketing and technologies. So at Play Nitride, on your website it says you want to change the world. You want to bring new display technology, the micro LED. Are you talking about 89 inch 5K ultra wide micro LED? Is this real? Yes, actually we want to change the world. We use micro LED to share lots of different ideas in our life. Not only the laptop or TV, we will show later there are different options or different solutions for micro LED technology. And here, this one, the first one, what we showed, actually we showed last month in Taiwan, touch Taiwan there is an exhibition and this is an 89 inch 5K 32 by 9 curved micro LED display. And I'm sorry that because this is by video so maybe you cannot feel that it's very big and curved and good picture quality. Maybe we can link to the clips here, maybe post the videos later so people can see the 4K quality. You have 4K of this video, right? Yes, yes. So that's a big leap from when we did the video in 2019. You had this size right here. This was transparent, right? Right, right. And you call it pixel LED? Yes, technology will call it pixel LED display. So what's the status on the pixel LED or is that basically the 5K 89 inch? Oh, actually there's different technologies. So now what we show here, this is 5K display that we call pixel and matrix. So the technology is micro LED on PCB. So this is a PCB based technology. And the previously showed the transparent technology that's micro LED on TFT. So we will have different video to show the micro LED on TFT's progress. And you also have a small one there? Yes, and that one actually we don't have anything about this smaller one this year. And actually this is passive matrix even on TFT. But this year we have micro LED on PCB, micro on TFT and also micro LED on silicon. When you say PCB, that sounds like, you know, like it doesn't seem to be something that's like, it's not transparent, right? No, this one is not transparent. The key is PCB is printed circuit board, just like the traditional driving board or anything in your electronic devices. But with this PCB, the beauty thing is that it's like 5 inch bigger, 5 inch size. So we can use these small pieces and tiled it to a very big screen. Just like we saw something like a traditional LED screen, a very big screen. So it's tiled in by module, a lot of modules. And this technology in the same thing, but it's using micro LED with much smaller pieces and much higher pixel density. So are you in Taiwan? Yes. And you actually manufacture it right now or it's just prototype manufacturing line or what's the status? Because if you have an 89 inch 5K, that means you're already doing a lot of these micro LEDs. Okay, for different technology, we have different progress. So for this 89 inch, actually, this is the first time we demonstrated to the public. So there's a very limited output right now for for some of the cost potential customer their evaluation. So it will start the mass production later after they check the evaluate the devices. And for micro LED on TFT, something is undergoing will go for mass production soon. So that 5K display 89 inch, did it have zero depth pixels? Well, I can say almost. Because the technology is different, so we can easily do running the inspection and repair the or change the depth pixels. So for this one, because it's PCB based, so easily if there's anything wrong, then we can just plug and play just remove the module with defect and change to a better one. What's the pixel density? You say 59 pixel per inch? Yes, this is the same as 75 inch 4K. All right, so this is like a specific pixel density that is defined as micro, right? Yes. Do you have also other videos you can share? Sure. Okay, let me change the video to the second one. Right there. So what does this one show? This is the dimension micro LED on TFT. So the first one, this is a 1.39 inch circular display. That is 338 PPI, which is the highest PPI for micro LED on TFT. So your expertise, is it mass transfer of these LEDs? Is that a little bit what you're doing? Okay, we, pretty nice try, we have the wave epitaxy process and we make the micro LED chip by ourselves and then mass transfer from wave to the back plant like this case transfer to the TFT back plant. So we are expertise including all the key parts to make the micro LED display. All right, so there's a big, it's like, I don't know if I want to call it like a gold rush, but it's the big next thing in the display industry, right? Everybody wants to try to figure out how to make the micro LED in the best way. And some people are making them on like wafers for like a small displays, micro displays, right? And others are trying to make them big, like Samsung is showing the wall. How is it different what you're doing compared to the Samsung wall, for example? Okay, their technology, I think they are very, they are very good for tiring technology because they have lots of experiences. So they don't know how to make the display become a consumer product. That's their strong point. But for the micro LED chip or micro LED transfer, the mass transfer itself, play nitride has better technology and understandings. What's the background of the team at the play nitride? How do you have this expertise? How do you, how do you figure out how to do this? Are you coming? Is it a team coming out of the university or? Oh, okay. Well, for the very first founders and also the beginning that most of people are coming from LED industry. So they start to form a company. And then, because we need to do something about LED. So we found lots of topics and macro is one of them. At the beginning, this topic is not with high priority because we don't think it can happen so soon. But one of our key customers just joined us, just working with us and pushed us to the market. So that's why micro LED progress is much faster than I expected. So we started from 2014 and only seven years, there's already something can go for market. That's much faster than like OLED or the LCD technology. So how soon can this be in a mass market? Well, this year, but you can find in the consumer market. But I have to say, because this new technology, so the price is super high. So they call it a luxury segment, not only premium segment, but we believe this is the first step. So once it can go for mass production, then later it can go become lower cost very soon. Because the advantage of the whole LCD monster, which is the industry of the LCD is that the price is so low, right? So is the micro LED going to come in and provide larger sizes, better colors, more contrast, more brightness and hopefully match the price eventually? Okay. I think that most of the broad aspect will be much better than LCD. However, just like OLED, OLED currently is the price still higher than LCD. So I think the same thing will happen in micro LED technology. It's new, so it was starting from emerging applications or something that new LCD or OLED, they cannot make it. For example, like transparent or the tiling to ultra large or any aspect ratio screen. So that will be the beginning and later the cost going down, but I don't know if that will replace LCD in the long future. But for the next five years, the cost will drop going down like 90% compared to now. And if I just show one of the videos we did at Display Week 2018, where you got a price at the eye zone, I think, right? Right. There's been a lot of progress in those three years. This was just a small display. That's correct. That's only three inch only. And it's passive metrics, only 128 by 128. Now we have 89 each with 5K, only three years. That's pretty cool. So I guess the R&D labs at Play Nitride are a really interesting place to visit or I guess it's top secret, right? That's right. Yeah. But where your colleagues or yourself, are you doing like all this R&D? Is it like in clean rooms? Are you wearing a bunny suit and wearing special gloves to handle all these things? Or how does it work? Okay. Just like the display industry, Microsoft also need to manufacture in the clean room. So we need to wear the bunny suit to the clean room to work on this display. So we already have a production line and you can capable to provide our big customer to make their TV with a certain volume. So compared to our understanding of mass production, maybe the volume is not that huge, but it's a start. So we already starting the productions and provide to our customers. So I have it like right now I'm using a 65 inch. It'd be awesome to get bigger. Is it one of the dreams of micro-LED is to provide much bigger screens for people, like 120 inch. Okay. 150 inch. No, that's the limit. We don't have limitation. So the key is tell me that your wall size of your living room. We will feel all of your living room. And even some of the, I heard some of the very rich man just said, please feel my airplane. They are private jet. They want the micro-LED inside and they can like just like, you know, see feel like you are flying in the sky without any walls. So that means it's not heavy. No, it's very, the module itself is very thin, thin and light. Light. So it's not going to be a problem on airplanes. But how about for all the people who are not so very rich? Can we, can we expect like 2023, 2024, maybe 2025, are we going to be able to fill our walls with these kind of displays and affordable, like affordable? Oh, I think it depends on how affordable. But because the bigger size of course, the price will be higher, but you can count it like a ratio. So like 65 inch become like a 130. Then it's double of the size and price maybe double or more. So maybe we can expect it something like that. The price will be linear to the size. Because there's a magic company in Taiwan called TSMC, right? And the whole world depends on TSMC and they make so many chips. It's like completely insane how many they can make, right? Are you able to plug into this kind of mass, mass quantities because that's how you get the price down, right? If you can design your technology so it can be mass produced. Yes. Okay, that's something like for called mass production. Of course, that's our plan, the future. But it takes step by step just like just like TSMC that it does not happen in one night. They work for 20 to 30 years become like this. So we, of course, we will, I think the micro ID, the speed of expansion will be very fast. So we will see that as I mentioned, after five years later, the cost will drop to 95% copper. Lower like 95% copper to now. So which means that there will be lots of micro ID chips producing and lots of micro ID display in the market. So I'm just going to show the 2019 video. Maybe you can skip. Do you have another video you can show? You told me you had three videos, right? Right. What does the third video you have show? Okay. All right. I'm going to share your screen. Yes. So the third video that shows what I mentioned micro ID on silicon. So that's something maybe need to work with TSMC or this kind of company because right hand side, that's a $1 coin in Taiwan. So it's like 1.9 millimeter. So this is only 0.39 inch. So is this the wafer technology? No. The driving big plan is wafer. It's on silicon, CMOS silicon. But on top, the display is using micro ID. And this is four color. So this will be best good for like AR glasses or for the projectors applications like HUD. How high resolution do you think this can be? Is there any chance you can make like a 4K display that fits in a smart glass? Okay. I think that's not a problem because the key is we need to get a CMOS back plan with that high pixel density or high resolution. So demonstration we have here because this is just a newly development. So our development purpose back plan. So later we will have a higher resolution and higher pixel density product later. How do you do full color? Is it like just a no problem for you to do full color? You can see here this is a full color one. And how we make it, this is kind of secret. I cannot tell the detail. All right. So just to sum up, you have three different ways to make the micro LED, is that right? That's correct. Three, right? So one is the transparent one? The micro LED on PCB, that's for bigger size, ultra large size powder. And second is micro LED on TFT that can make like a circular one or the transparent one or anything for higher pixel density. And the third is micro LED on silicone. That's for like this showing for projectors for the HUD for AR glasses. Is there some chance that when you do the on silicon, that they can be used for very bright projector and we can like project them whole wall with using micro LED as like a competitor to DLP or LCD projector? Yes. So for, for example, like this one, the four color brightness is about 20,000 needs. And we think we can make it higher to more than 100,000 needs by the new, our new solutions. So, and for single color even can be like several hundred needs. So this micro display is space, but specially make it very high grinders because that for AR glasses or for projectors HUD that they require very high grinders from the source because lots of loss in the optical system. So going from full color to single color, does a 10x difference in brightness? Could be because the, could be because the, you know, a full color means that you need to put three different micro LED chips and that you need to tune in the white color point. So you will reduce the, the sum of the performance. But if single color, then we can make three, three chips all in the same, the same color and we don't need to consider about the white, white point color that it can boost to much higher grinders. When you, when you talk about TFT and you talk about TFT being for transparent, but actually it can also be not transparent when it's TFT. Sure, sure. And how, how, how, how becomes like the performance of the TFT version. Okay. Okay, micro LED with on TFT native transparent because micro LED chip is very small. So if we want to make it non-transparent, which means that we have feel some of the black material in those transparent area. So that can be very, very high, very good counter-racial and very high good color performance. So maybe let me switch back to the second video that also there's some of the videos that shows the non-transparent ones. Because, yeah, I put your video on. Yeah, like this. Yeah. Yeah, you can, you can see the left hand side that's micro LED display and right hand side that's an LCD screen. So the color and grinders and contrast micro LED is much better. I guess one of the big challenges, but hopefully you figured out is the, the life on these because people like to use their displays for, for decade for some reason, you know, how, how likely is it that these kind of displays or is it possible to configure them in a way that that pixels don't matter. So if they happen eventually, but then they will still look perfect. I mean, great, because they'll be like replacement pixels somehow in a pattern or. Well, that's something you need to consider. It's kind of new technologies, even the LCD or all that they cannot repair by itself. So the way probably what we will do is we will, of course we will do running the test to make sure that for like a long, more 10 years or longer that it can ensure all the pixel is still alive and working well. So that's the same, the same way for LCD or OLED, but they do. So the key is we need to decide a good, make a good design. So make sure the reality will be good enough to maintain for 10 or more years. How about the, you know, like the, the OLED displays are set to have what you call it burn in. This is not going to have this problem. No burning, right? No, it's just, it's just like a, it's in organic. So turn it on, give the current and it's up and turn it off that it's off. So there's no any burning issue. Nice. And how about going full brightness? Is there an issue about doing that? Or is it some, sometimes I wonder if some of these displays that advertise 2000 nits and 1000 nits or four cows, even I'm not sure the ones that are very bright on the market, usually LCD with the quantum dots. Or it could also be like when, when people talk about the OLED display is having a peak brightness around 7, 800 nits. Is it only something that happens just a little bit in just a small part of the screen and they cannot just run it all the time in this brightness? How is, how would it be for the micro LED? Is it also going to be too hot if it's too bright for too long or is it okay just go full brightness forever? We can keep it full brightness forever. But the key is not the micro LED chip itself. This is, we need to consider about all the driving or your power system. So if you make it to the full white forever, which means the power will be very high. For example, if you want to keep 2000 nits forever, then you need to provide the power for 2000 nits. But if like for some of the technology, for example, like OLED, they will drop the full bright brightness because they have the power to the whole system. The design will be easier. So it really depends on the product spec from customers or their application. So if they want to keep it all white, maybe like micro LED on PCB, that kind of solution will be better. But if there are some constraints for total power, then micro LED on PAP, they will be full white with 1000 nits. But for peak brightness can be 3000 nits or 5000 nits. That's another option. So let's say we have a micro LED going full power 2000 nits on the whole display compared to an LCD with quantum dot 2000 nits full brightness on the whole display. Which one is using less power eventually? Well, under the full white, it's hard to say theoretically micro LED will be better. But actually we need to also consider about the TFT design structure. So that's something we are evaluating with our TFT partners right now. So they will have different some of the new designs to reduce the TFT power. One dream that I always have when I when I want to have a smartwatch and I mean in the past I have some or they have reflective display right? Is there any chance that the performance is going to be great in direct sunlight? Or is it just because you can do so much brightness that you are competing with the sun? Or is there any chance you can also reflect somehow not really but like I don't know, like not have the sun be a problem? Well, the solution, the easy solution is make it very bright. So then we can compete with the sunlight. And that's what we're doing right now. So with the very high brightness for especially for the wearable devices. But your idea is good. Maybe some of the reflections can be added and that's some of the secret project we're working with our partner right now. Nice. And actually on your on your website. I'll just try to show right here. Sorry, I'll just bring it up in a second there. You're showing that you want to target phones, laptops, TV, smartwatches, everything. Is that true? Okay, that's our plan, but depends on where it depends on our customers. So actually we talked to all kinds of display applications. But they have different applications have different thought for this technology because something they want to do the replacement. Some of them want to make something brand new design. So the application or solution will be quite different. And also some cases they need to consider about the cost of the price. So the timing for different application will be different. But most of them are discussing with us thinking about how to make the micro to their product or their applications. All right. They're right here. This is your websites. I think Oh, there I have it. Yeah, sorry. I can't. I can't figure out how to get it up right now. Oh, there it is. Yeah. So this is your website. plainitride.com. People can read more. And there you have this cool display where you're showing that the whole the whole like NASA headquarters. And then there you have it, right? You're showing phone, tablet, laptop, and the car. TV and 2024. They're all going to be micro led with your technology. Maybe. I think not. That's how we hope. But the technology introduction that depends on the one is the evaluation. They're evaluations, tempo or speed and also need to consider about their product strategy. So I cannot say when which application will be happen. Which year. But I can say that all of them are talking with us. And some of them already get the demo kit or some of them even starting to discuss about the detail of the spec. What could happen. So there is, there is right here. Let's take one comment right here. TFT glass is a good option for high current. Okay, I think maybe not. But it really depends on the spec of brightness. So if you just want like a 1000 needs or 2000 needs TFT, maybe still good enough. You want to keep it much brighter or you need one to keep it a longer time. For example, like you want to keep 2000 need for keep it running for whole day. TFT, maybe not a good option, but the TFT still improving. So I cannot say that TFT is not a good one right now. But maybe some challenges, but maybe I think they will get some solutions. So on your website, you're talking about that you are virtually exhibiting at the display week and we're doing this video as part of the display week 2021. That was virtual right, but you also had a touch Taiwan which was real. It was a real event like one of the first ones. Yes. How did I go? How was it that touched Taiwan? Okay, it's I think end of April. And based on the statistic, I saw there's about 30,000 people to do these issues. And I believe most of them dropped by our pool. All right, so there were big booths and people interacting in the physical trade show and right there in Taiwan, right? Right. In the real case, you cannot see the booth like this because crowded and full of people. Nice. And there was some stuff before some latest news. Up to Taiwan 2020 that was last year, but was that virtual or? Oh, it's also the real issue. So but that was before the whole strange thing, right? Yes, the last year, but only at that time we only demonstrate like a much smaller micro not not 89 inch 5k, but it's much much smaller display because at that time. It's just we just come out some of the samples only. And can you describe a little bit the company? How big it is? How many people you are? Is there a secret about something some information about that? Okay, we are pretty nice. We were located in Taiwan. Park and we have about 350 people working here and around half of them is R&D and the others are sporting and also technicians working in that. And we have yeah, it's starting from 2014. So right now we have a production line running also here. And actually we have several rounds of fundraising fundraising. The valuation right now is more than 300 million US dollar. And isn't it like some some kind of like some talk of using micro B as a LCD back backlight source? Well, actually in the beginning, yes, some people talk with us about it about using micro B as a backlight. But I think this will be the same question is why not using OLED as the backlight. So since the micro LED can be the display, so you make the backlight means you use something because right now it's new and expensive. So you use something new and expensive only for backlight and LCD performance only improves a little bit. Then why not just use micro LED as the display directly. So so finally we don't we don't make the micro LED for backlight. So so you saying that using for backlight and using for display is nearly the same price. No, of course, the using that for the backlight will be cheaper than the display because the micro D quantity will be less than to make the real display. But it's the same thing because it's using the backlight still LCD. So most of the performance is limited by LCD. So micro like micro D backlight compared to maybe call right now many of the backlight. The only benefit is we can make more zones or we can make the zones smaller. But the difference between the local teaming backlight right now and micro D backlight the difference is not that big. But the cost will be much, much bigger. So maybe that's not a good idea to use the micro D as the backlight. Do you use any quantum dots with your technology or that's not part of the deal right now? Or you cannot say quantum dot is or we summarize this called color conversion technology. Color conversion technology also has some of the R&D project for that because some of the customers they think they prefer to use content dot as their display. But as I keep mentioned, it's really depends on the applications because for example, like automotive applications, they consider about sunlight and reliability. Maybe quantum dot is not that good. Some of the car makers they say they don't want to use quantum dot for car automotive screen. So some of the cases maybe they don't have the indoor maybe they prefer to use quantum dot because they think quantum dot has some of the advantages. Is it easy for you to change whatever pixel density, whatever size people want and just like you can just like turn some buttons on the machine and it starts making different ones. Or it's like a huge different like you have to design a different molds and a nano technology size and stuff to do each different. So you you prefer to stick to a specific pixel density. Okay, just like LCD or OLED, if we want to change the pixel density or change the resolution anything, then we need to like, we need to have new toolings like photo mask, because different photo map different resolution requires different photo mask. So, including TFT and also the micro D chip, we also need something new. It takes lots of money. And of course we can do the customized but just like a CD or OLED, if you want to customize your design then you need to either have big quantity or you need to pay the tooling fees to make this. Is it possible that in the future we will see how you make them or is it's going to stay secret for less next 10 years. I'm joking. But because I'm not sure. I'm not sure maybe some of the parts maybe will be showing the future, but maybe the most core technology will keep secret. Because I guess you need to connect each LED and somehow I don't know how it works. It's hard to figure out how that works. Yeah, actually maybe we can, there are some of the, we make some cartoons to show the ideas, but the detail because you know it's micro LED chips which is less than 50 microns or for our case less than 30 microns. So, if you even take the camera there, you just see the machines keep moving, but you cannot really see the details at all. There aren't, they don't exist any cameras that can film so small yet. You need the nano cameras, micro. But for the camera, you will only focus for very small area, so you just can see, oh the chip is up and then there's no chip and chips up. I think you will, we will think about it to show some of the information in the future, but now it's difficult to both on how we can prepare the video. Another is, most of the process is still in confidential right now. Is it also confidential where the materials come from or is it a lot, is it perfect to be in Taiwan? Because in Taiwan there's all the different partners you can have for the LEDs, for the thing, for the materials and everything. And right there, it's right there, it's your neighbors. Yeah, so we got lots of materials or equipment from Taiwan, but it's not limited to in Taiwan because also in Asia lots of the, like Korea, Japan or sometimes in China. They have lots of different equipments or materials, especially like Japan, they have very good material or some of the equipment that's with very high positions. So we are not like limited to use any of the material or equipment. We just try to find the best one and they can solve our challenges and then we can make the production with better yield and better quality. All right, because I don't know what the latest market analysis is in terms of who's dominating the world of LCDs. LCD I guess is China I guess and OLED is maybe Korea, I'm not sure. And then what is Taiwan's market in LCD or OLED or is it going to be the leader in micro-LED? It's hard for me to really know what's happening. I need to do some more videos. Okay, in Taiwan, actually LCD still dominate, but the LCD development, their technology is good. So for very high new things like AK or 120Hz or something like sleep holders, Taiwan can make it develop it and make it very soon. But for OLED because that requires lots of investment. So currently Taiwan, we're not so focused on OLED at all. And so that's the reason micro-LED will be very important in Taiwan. So we believe this will be the new generation of this technology. So most of the Taiwan both display makers and all the ecosystem, we all have some of the projects or some of the development for micro-LED. But of course, play nitro is only focusing on micro-LED display technology. And it's possible that you might partner with companies in other countries that maybe will say, hey, we want to make these in Korea or we want to make these in China and you're open to all these possibilities in the future, I guess. We're open to the whole world. So we're talking to our potential customers in Europe, in Asia, both Japan, Korea, China or Southeast Asia. And also for the equipment vendor or the material supplier, we also use the from worldwide anywhere. So actually for us, there's no any limitation at all. So just maybe some time zone difference takes the communication longer, but there's no any limitation or problem for us to work with people in the world. And you talk a lot with the companies in the Silicon Valley or maybe how about startups? Can they talk with you and say, hey, we want to do something special and you might be interested to do some interesting prototypes with them? Actually, we talk to a lot of startups, but the case is that we only can provide our standard demo kit at this moment because if they want to kick off a new project, maybe they don't have enough funding to kick off a new project because they need to pay a lot of money not only to pre-nitro, but also to TFT makers. The TFT makers will charge a lot for the back plant design. So for startups, it will be difficult to kick off a new project, but maybe they can use our current products to build their prototype. There's no problem. All right. Do you think there's a future where all the smartphones are going to use micro LED? Because smartphones is billions of products. It's a lot of people using them. The smartphone we hope so, but the smartphone maybe you will be the most challenging because smartphone, the display of smartphone, the cost is not, the cost is low. And the quantity base is very big. So for micro LED, because it's new technology, so currently we do relative high cost and also the volume is not that big. So we think the smartphone business, it will happen. You will happen, but not the first or the second one. Maybe you will happen later. I love the Pico projectors, right? And these little projectors. And I want my dream is to get a Pico projector with 4K that's really bright and so small. And hopefully, I don't know, hopefully the micro LEDs can help in this area, I'm thinking to make it happen. And I'm hoping one or two years. Can we see something like that in one or two years? Well, I'm not sure. We are, because we all have something new. I mean, like 4HD or higher, these beta resolutions, samples next year. But it depends. Usually, if you want to make the consumer product, there will be lots of the evaluation or evaluations and make the running the gravity. So the product lifecycle, after a kick of them, you can see the real product in the market usually takes one year to at least one year. But usually it will be longer, maybe 1.5 years. So even we can provide the display next year, but it still takes time. All right. So Norman is sending a message right there. Can these be made onto a flexible subsurface? You see that question? We did not demonstrate here. Actually, last year, we joined an ounce with AUO. They have a 9.4 inch flexible display. So the thing is the same as the rigid one. So right now the rigid one is TFT on glass. So the flexible one is TFT, usually TFT on polyimide. So that's a very, just like flexible OLED, it's a very typical process for TFT makers right now. And we just made transfer the micro-ID chips on this TFT polyimide, because it's very easy to make the trend flexible. Is it similar to that one you were showing in 2019? Oh, actually not that flexible. Why we show that at that time? Because there's a single PI without TFT. But for TFT, because there's some of the design requirements, and there's not more driver ICs, so it becomes like a war. One-dimensional bending is easy, but if you want to make a two-dimensional bending, then there will be some of the challenges, just like flexible OLED. All right, because I really think it's interesting to see those slideable phones, foldable phones. Right now they're a little bit expensive, like some of the companies sell them for $2,000. But we're interested to see if micro-ID becomes a challenger in that market. Oh, we hope so. But it really depends on the, we can make it, there's no problem. But because as I mentioned, there's lots of tests that need to be done to make sure you won't get any phone that complain it. So it really takes some time to do all these tests. All right, so thanks a lot for showing your display week 2021 booth exhibition here on my YouTube channel to show some of your latest tech. And looking forward to see some more, I will link to your videos. Maybe we can link them later. If people want to see them in higher quality and to see more demos, it'd be interesting to see what happens. And I hope we see millions of devices shipped and it will all come from your technology. And that would be cool. That would be awesome. It's going to be a historic video. People can watch my videos to see playing I tried 2018, 19 and 2021. And 2022, we'll see what happens. Yes, we are looking forward to it too. All right. And thanks. Thank you very much. And thank you, everybody. Thanks everybody for watching. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everyone.