 This is Joanne McManus from the Nebraska Library Commission and I'm the project manager for the Library Innovation Studios Project, which is our spearheading here at the Nebraska Library Commission. I want to introduce our presenters today. Debra Dregos is with me. She's also with the Nebraska Library Commission and having her library background, we had asked her to help us develop Library Innovation Studios policies because of her library training. We also had assistance from Wax Wheeler, who is with the Nebraska Innovation Studio at the University of Nebraska. And he is our designer here with our Library Innovations Project. So you'll see both the Nebraska Library Commission and the University of Nebraska always helping on this particular project. And of course, Max has the background of having worked at Makerspaces and so that has been very helpful to us. I just want to mention our partners for our project before we get into the meat of our presentation today. Obviously, the Nebraska Library Commission received a grant from the Institute of Museum and Library Services. So we always want to thank IMLS Nebraska Extension and Nebraska Innovation Studio at the University is also partners in the project and help us throughout. And then of course, the Nebraska Regional Library Systems are also partners. We also have a local partner and you can get those local partners at your library and add them as you go. Who is invited today to this particular webinar is the library, the host libraries that will be upcoming for our Cycles 5, 6 and 7 through the end of the grant. This particular presentation will be on our website and will also be helpful to anybody who is setting up a Makerspace. It won't necessarily have to be ours. Obviously, we wrote it with our Makerspaces in mind but these are just generally good policies for Makerspaces in general. The resources that you have in front of you and you can also find on our website is Library Innovation Studio policies. The current version was just revised and you have those handouts. I sent those to you but you can also just post off our website and the Library Innovation Studio pictures there of those particular handouts. Hopefully you have them with you but they will be available on our website as well. Okay, and really today's agenda is the summary of that draft Library Innovation Studio policy but I'm going to turn it over to Deborah to get us started but we really will be, Max and I will be interjecting along the way because obviously we all have room. Just can't wait to visit with you about it. Okay, so we actually looked at policies from about a dozen plus different libraries that have Makerspaces and if more than four or more of them had the same individual policy you'll probably see it in our policies here. We picked what we thought would fit best with what we were intending to do with this Makerspace Innovation Studio project. So what we are asking you to do is to review the policies. Some of the policies that are here that we'll talk about today are actually required as part of the grant. Two of them that are in red are optional so that's up to you whether you decide to include those or not and you may add other policies as desired. Okay, there are some blanks for you to fill in and those are highlighted in blue. There are some instructions also either highlighted in yellow or the text is in red and those sections you will take out after as you are completing the policies. But once you have the finalized policy you do need to have your board approve it and then you will need to submit that approved policy to Joanne. Okay, we start off with general policies and in this PowerPoint presentation we've mostly summarized the policies. We haven't put them up here word for word. So we start off with general things like posting the hours that the studio or equipment are available. We do realize that you might not have the staffing to actually have the equipment available to Makers during all of the hours that your library is open or you may set up times outside of regular library hours to make that equipment available. So we just ask that you actually post what hours will be available the equipment will be available to the Makers. The agreement is that you do not charge for the use of any of this equipment but if you they are using consumables that we the commission is providing you do need to collect the monies for those items. Joanne will talk to you about consumables later on and you will be receiving a price list for all of the consumables that we provide and those prices do include the taxes that which we will pay to the Department of Revenue so you don't have to worry about those. Okay, we do ask that you allow any visitor who has taken the training or whether at your library or one of the other libraries that has participated in this project to use the equipment. There are some minimum age requirements that we will ask you to post and we'll be talking about those a little bit later. We actually have a chart that tells you what training and what age requirements there are for each different piece of equipment. We also really want to encourage entrepreneurship that's one of the main components of this particular grant so makers can use the equipment for both personal and commercial use. We do ask that you make sure that the consumables that are for sale are not immediately accessible to the patrons because you do want to make sure that you are collecting the monies for those items and then you shouldn't be offering refunds for any consumables that people have actually purchased and used. Yeah, it's really easy and Max can speak to this that really anytime you're making something you do have some bugaboos where it doesn't quite work out and you ruin that t-shirt or whatever so I don't know if you want to throw in that that's just a part of making or... Yeah, I mean that's something when I talk to people about using this equipment I always plan to bring two of something this is the thing I actually care about this is the thing I'm going to practice on and if I make any mistakes I'll do it on the practice one now I'm ready for the actual piece that I really care about. Yeah, so sometimes they are buying a consumable and then it doesn't quite turn out like they wanted but they did use the consumable. Users may bring in their own consumables for almost all the different pieces of equipment the one exception is for the 3D printer that filament is very specific to the 3D printer that is part of this project so they have to use what is provided by the commission for that piece of equipment. If they do bring in their own items for some of the pieces of equipment we do ask that you approve what they're using because and Max can talk more about the noxious fumes and things that can damage machines that you do need to be aware of. Right. When you take the train the trainer trainings to learn how to teach people how to use this equipment we actually go over approved and banned materials for all of the machines all the equipment and you know how to identify those where the lists are so you can readily go find that information and get someone really quick answer. And then the last item on this screen is that the maker agrees the library is not responsible for failed projects and that relates back to them like consumables again but also if they bring in their own materials they really need to be aware that there are no guarantees with these machines. So if somebody has a some textile that is very important to them but they want to do embroidery on it they really need to be aware that there is no guarantee that that embroidery machine is not going to jam or make a mess out of that textile so they just need to be aware of that and these policies are required reading as part of the studio use and release agreement so the makers do have to read these and understand all of these policies too. The agreement has to be signed and if the maker is under the age of 19 they do need a parent or legal guardian to sign the use and release agreement We do mention that in the policies that all of your other policies your other regular policies related to behavior or anything else within the library also applies to the studio and therefore you do have the right to suspend or deny access to the studio for anybody who fails to follow the policies. Thanks. Sorry, Chris just popping things up and then confusing me here. No, just double checking the things. All makers do have to participate in training according to use and training chart that we will talk about here just in a few minutes. We do ask people to provide their email addresses when they are trained become certified to use equipment and are entered into the database because we do use those email addresses to contact people just to survey them as to what impact the use of the studio had on them so that we can use that in reporting on the grant. Ken, earlier Deborah had mentioned if someone receives training in a different library the certification database is how we maintain that information how we track all of it so it's really easy for you to go in look up a specific person and see whether or not they have received training on a specific piece of equipment. And we have seen a lot of experience with when that studio moves to the community 30, 30, 60 miles away somebody knows that they want to etch some more glasses and they will follow those studios to the next community. So having that database that you can get into to check their certification is really helpful. And Max, I don't know if you want to talk just a little bit about the training and how important it is to make sure people are timing. Right, so I would sell people training is making sure that you're not going to hurt yourself and you're not going to hurt the equipment. We go over the standard operating procedures so basically how to use this machine. It's not going to go over how to be an absolute artisan master on this machine but it's going to get you to the point where you are more comfortable and you're qualified to use this stuff. So it covers a pretty broad swath of information and ultimately gets you to the point where you can safely use it. There are just a few pieces of equipment and we'll touch on those a little bit later but things like the iron or the steamer that don't require actual training. We ask that you give them a few guidelines but there's no real training required but they do have to basically agree to use everything in a safe and proper manner. Okay, the way that you determine whether somebody has been certified on a piece of equipment is up to you. One suggestion is that makers sign in at the front desk and then staff can therefore verify that the person has completed the training but we've made this one optional. You can choose whatever way works best for you. So you might establish a studio equipment reservation system or you might use some other way of determining whether the person has received the training or not. You also may choose to limit the amount of time that someone spends on any one piece of equipment. You've got 20 people who are really interested in using that laser cutter. You might want to say one person can only use it for an hour at a time and then the next person is up. So you might want some kind of reservation system or you might want to say first come first serve but you can still limit the amount of time that someone is actually using for it on it. Some of the equipment must never leave the library during the hosting period. Once we set it up it pretty much stays exactly where it is as it is. You don't really want to be fooling with it. However there are a few other pieces of equipment that may be checked out for programming or promotion with local project partners and those local project partners are not just those entities that we've identified as being partners, the UNL extension, et cetera. It's also your local partners. So any group or entity within your town that you have partnered with to promote this project those people may also check items out for programming, et cetera. And that will be up to the library. On those machines that we allow out of the library the library can say no, we don't want anything leaving our library but it will be up to you on those items that we would allow on how you're going to handle that and how you identify those local project partners. So you might say it's fine for the school, the public school, obviously the extension educator could be the chamber of commerce. So how you design that is fine with us. Obviously people that you work with and will be supporting your project. And then there are a few things that can be checked out by the patrons like the camera. We don't insist that they can only use the camera inside the library. Might wind up being some very boring pictures. So to actually take a look at the chart that we've been talking about this chart is actually on the last page of the policies that Joanne sent. And you can see that we've identified which pieces of equipment require the SOP or standard operating procedure training. We've given a minimum amount of time that the training should occur. We've identified safety equipment that is required for some of the pieces of equipment. We've specified which items can be checked out according to our guidelines. But as Joanne said, you can make it more restrictive than that if you wish. And then we've also listed the minimum ages for people using it either unsupervised or supervised. These are the minimum. So you can actually decide to change an age to a higher age, an older age, but you cannot make any of these a younger age. And then you'll notice that there are a few items like, as I mentioned, the iron and steamer, the glue gun, label maker, that we just asked that you cover a little bit of housekeeping, you know, five minutes, reminding people to unplug it, put it away, do whatever. Okay? Okay. And then we've also had a lot of questions from library staff, especially the children's library, where they say, well, you say that no one under 12 can be certified on this machine. And we know we have an 11-year-old that would really like to use that. And really, it really is going to fall back on, okay, so it's not necessarily the 11-year-old, but it's somebody who's taking responsibility. Max, do you want to kind of go over that? Yeah, so let's just look at the very first one, the CNC router, for example. Our age minimum for unsupervised is 18. So if you have an 18-year-old that comes in and takes the training on it, we are fine with them using the equipment without any oversight of any kind. Now our age minimum for supervised is 12. So say a 13-year-old, sorry, a 12-year-old comes in and wants to use this equipment. For that, we'll need someone that knows how to use the equipment and can spot potential problems in the area monitoring, seeing what's going on, and ultimately being able to stop something bad from happening before it occurs. Now say you've got a 10-year-old and an 11-year-old that comes in and wants to use it, they fall below that minimum requirement. They'll need someone either above the age of 18 that can use the equipment and basically they're the one responsible for pressing go. They're the one responsible for actually making the thing happen. The 10-year-old can certainly give them guidance on I want this design here, I want it to look like this, but ultimately that of age person does need to be trained and qualified and responsible for the project. Likewise, if it was a supervised person, then they will just need to have a third person that knows the equipment and can kind of spot those potential hazards. And really we also see from library to library and depending on the time of the staff that you might have at the library, it's possible that you have somebody at the library that is fulfilling that supervisory role and other libraries say, well we don't have a staff that can just go over to that CNC router and help with that. And so they're bringing in their dad or their big brother or whoever that is also certified. So that supervised person could be somebody at the library, but it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be. You can say we really don't have the staff to do that. We had a question and you just went and answered it before I could even tell you what it was. Rose wanted to know so the supervision can come from the library staff and you just get before I could even say she had something. Yes, she says thanks. Preemptively answering your question. So any other questions before we go on? That's it for now. If anybody has any questions, you can take them into the questions section if you go to Webinar Interface or you can unmute yourself and just jump in and say, excuse me, it's so-and-so from the library and I want to ask about whatever. Okay. Next is our restrictions. We do ask that the maker not use the studio equipment to make any items that are prohibited by law, unsafe, obscene, et cetera. Whether how closely you monitor everything is up to you. As we mentioned, these are policies that the maker is required to read to use the equipment so they should be aware of this and you can monitor as needed. I have two specific cases to give you an idea of what we're talking about here. We had a patron that wanted to 3D print a dagger for a costume. We decided that ultimately, even though the dagger wasn't sharp, couldn't really cut anyone, it still posed a little bit of a hazard as far as stabbing. So we said a no-go for that one. We also had a police officer come in and want to laser engrave some stuff on the side of his firearm and we ultimately said no for that. Just from the perspective of we really don't want to get involved with anything related to that. In addition, the laser actually isn't capable of marking out that specific thing, but that's all another story. And then of course, just like with your cop gear, you have to tell people that they need to follow all the applicable intellectual property laws. We do ask users to leave equipment in the same or better condition than they actually found it, with the one exception being that if they create a robot with a Lego Mindstorm and it fits in the gray tote, they don't have to take that back apart again. Makers should be aware that they need to take precautions so that they don't cause a mess or damage to any of the equipment. And of course, we do ask no food, gum or drinks anywhere near that equipment. We also want makers to be aware that the libraries, we don't expect the libraries to be responsible for any items that people might leave behind or might leave on the computer. At one point, we had planned on making the computers automatically erased. And that didn't quite work out with the software. So we have not implemented anything that would remove or change digital files, but there's no guarantee that the next maker who comes in and uses that computer might not change or delete what was already there. So if people want to retain what they created through CorelDRAW or whatever other software, they really should save it to a flash drive and take it with them. And then of course, the next one's optional, but if you have supplies that have been donated or you're providing some supplies, you could put in a policy asking that makers avoid wasting any of those supplies. Okay. The next set of policies relate specifically to safety because we do want to make sure that makers don't hurt themselves or others or damage equipment. And perhaps Max might want to take this safety slide just because you always do our safety training. Yep. So you'll likely hear a lot of the same stuff from me again when I'm in your libraries or when you're here for the training in Lincoln. But first and foremost, we do have specific equipment safety procedures. So make sure that you're following all of those. We do have some specific attire that is going to help you be safer and more successful. So we're talking gloves for heat press. We're talking making sure that any loose hairs tied up, long necklaces put away, things like that. We really recommend close-toed shoes. If in the event that you drop something, it's going to potentially damage the shoe instead of your foot, which could be an issue. And making sure that anything that can get caught in this equipment, we have a few pieces with exposed machinery, making sure that it's tucked away, taken care of, and not going to get otherwise caught there. We also would recommend that you not use headphones or ear buds or cell phones while you're operating the machine. My big go-to is I had a teacher once that really recommended you be where your hands are. And that's really important with this equipment that you pay attention to what's going on. A few seconds here or there could mean the difference between being able to salvage some of your work or having to throw it away. Right. And say, for instance, if you're doing something on the 3D printer and for whatever reason it's not sticking to the base of the mat, you can see that it's going awry, stop the machine, and then you'll probably only use two grams of filament rather than 50 grams of filament, which is really going to decrease the cost of what you're having to buy. Right. And I can say too with the sewing machine, you don't have to sit there watching it take every single stitch in the embroidery, but you need to be close enough that if you hear it start going, you need to stop it right away because it's jamming. And speaking of, you do need to be present while all this equipment is running. The exception to that is a long 3D print job. It's common for those to run overnight or in some cases over a couple of days. That's the time if you're not being there the whole time that's running. But you do need to be able to respond very quickly if there's an issue on one of these machines. If there is an issue where maybe a part breaks or it's not behaving correctly, get in touch with one of us, either someone at the library commission or get in touch with me via our forum or just some way basically let us know that there's a problem rather than letting this machine run for a couple of weeks either at half performance or just not really working. That way we can get new parts out to you and otherwise fix the problem. Same thing, if you do have any injuries that result from this, make sure that the makers report that to your staff so that you can address those concerns. If you have a sharp corner on something, you can sand that down and potentially prevent other people from getting hurt from that. And really the majority of the machines that we provide in the library innovation studio setting is really, most of them are very safe. For instance, a laser cutter, even though it's doing a lot of stuff in there, it doesn't actually operate unless that lid is down. So it's not like you can put your hand and get it hurt. Now in a regular makerspace it might be different. That laser cutter might be a whole different brand and work differently. But there still are a few things like the heat press. It gets very hot that you could hurt yourself. For the most part, all of the equipment we have was chosen because it's difficult to hurt yourself on it. You have to be almost out of your way to purposefully try to do it. Speaking of hot things, we do have some items that you get very hot and you could potentially burn yourself if you didn't know they were still hot. So makers will need to make sure that they unplug and turn off this equipment before they walk away. Preferably they stay with the equipment while it's cooling off. At a bare minimum, though, they need to take that up to the front desk and communicate to the desk worker, hey, this is hot. It's going to be hot for another 10 minutes. Then they can kind of figure out what to do with it from there. In general, any unsafe behavior is something to avoid. This is kind of the catch-all. Just don't be a goof this. Don't run around trying to break stuff. You might, as a library, want to limit the number of people that can watch some equipment as it's running. It can be difficult to be here and focus on what the laser is doing if you've got 40 people cycling through trying to watch what you're doing and asking a lot of questions. So you might need to kind of limit only two or three people in that area at a time. You may need to deny access if people fail to follow this. So general stuff that you may have seen before in your library, if someone is flagrantly violating the rules, we give you the permission to say, no, thank you. You're not allowed to cover this equipment anymore. Okay, so we kind of went through all of the items on the policies itself. Does anybody have any questions? They think we still have plenty of time left in our one-hour webinar. Yeah, if you have any questions, you can either type them into the questions section or I'm just double-checking here. I didn't miss anybody. Everybody on my side, you are unmuted. If you have a microphone, you can just use it to ask your question. But most of you have self-muted yourselves. You'd need to unmute on the GoToWebinar interface that little microphone icon there if you did want to ask something. I might want to mention one thing as we're waiting for those questions to come in. One of the policies mentioned not to have the consumables that we bring in and just to give you an idea of what we bring in to have at the library is filament for the 3D printer, wood, glassware. Both of those are for laser cutter. Wood is also for the CNC router. For the heat press and printers, we bring in t-shirts, aprons, bags that you can heat press or design on. There's also aprons for the embroidery machine. Vinyl for the vinyl cutter. Obviously, people don't want to order a 10-yard roll of red vinyl if they only want five inches of red vinyl. And I'm sure there's other things as well that I haven't said. But you'll notice that one of the policies says that those consumables shouldn't be readily accessible to people in the library. We do know there are some exceptions. For instance, that 3D filament, many libraries keep that box right next to the 3D printer because it is kind of a heavy thing. And so if you think that it's in a position where you can easily monitor that somebody isn't just picking up a roll of filament, making that 3D print job and walking out with you without you noticing it, then it actually is fine to have it right next to that. And same with the vinyl. A lot of people keep that vinyl next to that vinyl cutter. But again, it's if you can monitor it. Right. We've seen some libraries that choose to keep all of that behind the desk so that you have to go specifically ask someone for it. We've also seen plenty of cases where people leave it out. We have one question that has come in about thumb drives. They want to know if thumb drives come with equipment or need to get some on hand for patron purchase. We do supply a quantity of thumb drives. They're 16 gig at $8 pop. And so you'll have it. Those will come. And so you'll have those. And my big push you'll hear a lot is I like cloud-based services. So I recommend a number of online storage options. Google Drive, Box, Dropbox, all three services that work anywhere you've got an internet connection. And we have another one here. Do the laptops or computers access to a printer at our library? No. Now it's possible that they might be designing it and want to print off what they've kind of already drawn out. The only first of all in our studio we provide four desktop computers. Those desktop computers are hooked to our major machines, the laser cutter, the CNC router, the vinyl cutter and the 3D printer. And then we also bring in two laptops. Those laptops also have Corel drawn on them. And those can be used to design other projects. The two printers that we bring in have specialty ink. So they're really not to print off what you've been working on or something that you found on the web. But those printers have one has pigment ink and one has sublimation ink. And that's what you're going to be running through with the heat transfer paper so then you can do a print on that t-shirt or that bag or that ink pump. So... You don't need access to an office printer for any of this equipment. If you did want to print off homework or whatever, then you would just go through your regular policy and if you are offering that service to patrons, then go through that. I did think of one thing that they will need a color printer for if the patron wants to do it. So one of our pieces of equipment is the button maker. Somebody might bring in a picture of their 20 grandkids and they want to print those pictures on bright white paper and so they would be using the library's printer color printer if they want to do that at the library and then of course you're charging them for whatever you would normally charge for that color print. But with that they would be using the library's computer as well. They wouldn't need to have the studio a studio computer hooked up to a library printer. Right. Any other questions? Type them in or unmute yourself and ask. We do have a project web pages on the Nebraska Library Commission website and that is the address. If you can't think of that address and you go to the Nebraska Library Commission website you can search for either Library Innovation Studio Maker Spaces anything similar and you will find our project web pages. This is the front page the main page as you can see in the green box to the right. You can get to training videos and Max can mention a little bit about those. Webinars today's webinar will be as well and you can find also great webinars there for you to bring yourself up to speed on getting ready for your hosting period. We have pictures of all the equipment and how they operate equipment instructions so Max mentioned you might want to mention how you can get to those. Those equipment instructions are the digital copies and we do provide physical copies and finders of all of our standard operating procedures for all of our equipment. So if you are at home wanting to do some research before you come in to take the laser class you can open that SOP up and do some reading for yourself and just kind of get in the right mindset. Joanne had also mentioned some of our training videos on the previous page. There are a couple of training videos for the general safety that I give as well as the slack part forum that we use look at that, I'm wearing my last suit and then a little further down to date we do have some kind of prep videos for if you want to see in general what the final cutter is capable of doing or what the scene to your outer kind of looks like while it's operating these two to three minute videos will give you a rough idea and kind of hit the high points again it's kind of a little bit of preparation for training to just get you in the right mindset. We also have a great page called Community Engagement that will help you get your local teams ready obviously we have a welcome webinar on there that you can click on that's where we visited a little bit about how to organize in your community there's a worksheet on forming your community action team how to form your training team there's information about event planning and then just all kinds of good information there's also a communications tab on the right and that thanks to Tessa Telly here at the Nebraska Library Commission we have a great media kit templates for posters and press releases there was a PowerPoint above if you want to go to Kiwanis Club and start talking to them about what is coming to your library you can just download that PowerPoint and edit it however you like there's just a lot of great information about media on this communications web page I should say so do take a look at everything that you can find on our web pages because in most cases it's up there and of course we did this not only for our host libraries but of course since we got funding from IMLS the Federal Library Agency we want to be able to have this available for all libraries in the United States whether they're doing a similar project or just looking to have and make a space in their library and they want to know how to promote it they might want to look at our instruction sheets obviously our instruction sheets are tailored to the equipment that we purchase but it will also give them a good idea of how to develop those no other questions have coming while you were talking thank you and then just some final thoughts for you thinking about your particular hosting period coming up we do have every time we have a new cycle of libraries that we'll be taking on those four sets of maker space components that we have we have a training in Lincoln that you send a few trainers to and then but then we also hold training at your library some of your trainers will be trained twice once in Lincoln and then again in your library but each training whether it's here in Lincoln or at your library is to train your trainers we're not training your general public but if you have identified those people that you think are going to be good trainers for any piece of equipment then that's who we're training and it might be that you go oh the Lego Mindstorm can't think of anybody but I know a young man that might be able to be a good trainer on that and then invite them in to come to that training too even if he's not totally committed maybe somebody can learn that piece of electronic the robotics here on this particular contact information again that's major when McManus the project manager Cynthia and I is our project assistant and she works with me hand in hand and so actually when people email in and ask questions or once more consumables or whatnot I generally ask people to send both Cynthia and I an email that way one of us will be in the office and can respond to you and of course always keeping in touch with Max who is our trainer out at the Nebraska Innovation Studio if you're really having trouble with piece of equipment Max is also a good contact person any any last thoughts last minute questions you want to ask we still have the chance this is Jody from the cook hi Jody as a procrastinator and everyone in the last group that host one of these things all of this information sounds just overwhelming what would be your suggestion and kind of a timeline to start either watching the webinars or visiting one of the libraries that has hosting them right now or would you start you do want to get started in advance you're in our last hosting cycle so you'll be taking training pretty much the end of February next year and you'll be getting your equipment that very well first week in April next year you do want to you don't want to wait until next January to start thinking about this because first of all it takes a while to find people that will serve as your trainers a lot of our libraries do not have you know an abundance of staff and so you really do need to tap into your extension educators people high school might be the person that has the quilting shop there's just a lot of people in your community that are already kind of crafty and and so it's good to start thinking ahead of time and presenting what is coming and then try to get people interested so you can develop your community action team and identify your trainers as far as you mentioned visiting library that currently has the equipment I'd recommend take a look at the schedule and if you are going to be in an area with library innovation studio in it now or if you'll be there in five months call the library director call up whoever is with that project that library and I'm sure they will love to show you around explain their experience answer some of maybe your really hands on questions or if as you're thinking of stuff go ahead send it to any of us and we will get you some answers get you going but yeah the earlier you can get out to a site and see kind of what it actually looks like I think that'll maybe help you feel a little more comfortable with the process grant Nebraska will have a maker space in the cycle right before you they'll get theirs in mid-November and so maybe taking a few people from your committee over to grant after they have their equipment and just that's a bit of a distance yeah well maybe he's close and hey on these things there's the end toward the end of June but McCook is just far from I think Grant's not too terribly far from McCook if you want to take your I'll have to look at it Deborah thank you much I was going to say we're all looking forward to seeing your shining faces whether in Lincoln or at some point on the road so I don't know if you have anything else to say but I wanted to say thanks for coming and glad to hear from some of you and don't feel free to call or email anytime I get lots of questions that I don't mind responding to them okay well thank you so much everyone Rose Levis just is so excited much thanks for this opportunity okay thanks everybody alright thank you