 Let me talk, brother. Let me talk. Because you spoke, you said... Get rid of your phone, and I'll listen to you about it again. Wait a second, I'm not finished. I'm not even finished. This is the worst audience ever. So you refuse to buy that phone? Why would I? I don't think it's immoral. I've told you what's happened. I don't think it's immoral. And it never fits to chop off their hand for the rubber. Are you saying all rubber is a product of pants being chopped off? Is that the claim? Oh, here we go. I don't care. If I go to the Congo, treat them right, make them all happy, raise the living standard, and chop their heads off. That will be okay with you. You change them all, James. I'll say it now. Change what? They want me to get rid of my chicken! Chilly tonight. Chilly, chilly. Hello. How are you going? Good? I filmed this footage from some farms around the UK. So, eggs? Yeah. Do you eat chickens? You're vegans already? Okay, great. Fantastic. You like it? You like tortured animals? They are actually serving body parts in there, eh? I got this footage the other night in a farm. Yeah, we filmed this. Do you eat animals? You don't eat the animals? Just do we eat the animals? You love chicken, eating chickens? You sound like you don't like the cruelty? Yeah, no, of course not, no. Where was this, too? In the north of England. They're all factory farms over here, mate. All the chickens factory farmed over here. So, it's a parent shed. So, do you know the chickens? The chickens for people to eat, right? Yeah. They come from a mum's and dad's shed. So, those eggs have to be fertilised for people to get little chicks that they eat. So, these are their forced breeding sheds. Now, I filmed this footage the other night in England. Horrible places, they all die on their faces and it's cruel. They put the roosters in with their hens and the hens can't escape them. They go raked over and over and over. Oh, it's actually a rooster. But, uh, go vegan, go vegan. How do you power in that tunnel? From my, uh, vegan powers. No, no, no, battery. Battery, brother. What's that? It's what you tell people. Well, uh, I filmed this footage in the UK just over the last couple of months. I'm just telling people to stop supporting animal agriculture. What is that? That's how they make the chickens. This is actually an egg farm. Oh. Yeah. They all get culled off though when they don't produce eggs and they'll go to, like, processed chicken. So, people will eat these birds as well. Why do you eat the animals? Tastes nice. Yeah, I know. Do you think it's worth that? Uh, I actually grew up vegan. Really? Why? If they can make, they can taste my chicken. Well, it does, dude. You can get mad vegan chicken now, really good. The vegan butcher does a really close one. Yeah, there's vegetarian butcher, you mean, that one. Vegetarian butcher, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He does. What about squeaky bean? You had squeaky bean? Oh, what's that? It's in Tesco's. Okay. Or VFC is another one, vegan fried chicken. There's some good ones. Really good ones. Chicken, they've got, no, there's some, I think most of them are good. Right, you can't do jerk chicken. But they're, squeaky bean have got jerk chicken, but it's not on the bone. No. Yeah. Yeah, but that's a- I love animals, but- You eat them. You don't love them. You essentially, through your actions, show us that you actually hate them. I love vegetables and I eat them. Yeah, but vegetables don't feel anything. We don't care about them. How do you know that? Because they don't have a brain or nervous system, come on, mate. You know they don't feel anything. A carrot doesn't feel anything. A carrot doesn't feel anything. Oh, well, like, obviously you feel something. A carrot definitely doesn't. Well, how does it react to the sunlight and grow? And how does it link with water? Just because it reacts doesn't mean it feels anything. You need a brain, a central nervous system, but plants can grow towards sunlight. That doesn't mean they're feeling anything. To be aware of you, that you're even here, you need a brain consciousness and- I'm not going to argue about eating animals, except- You already agreed it's wrong. You kind of did, you said, but- That's wrong. I don't know, I'm not vegan. Let me explain to you why it's wrong. For health reasons, but- Let me explain why it's wrong. For the animal chain, mate, lions eat animals. Yeah, lions do horrible things. We don't want to copy lions. They're nice things. We don't want to copy lions. Why does he eat lions? Lions will attack each other. They rape each other. They eat their own cubs sometimes. So they're the ducks, ducks rape each other. Yeah, exactly. But ducks don't eat animals. We shouldn't copy animals is what I'm saying. I'm trying to say, naturally, through nature- I don't care what's natural, because rape is natural, murder is natural, I don't care- No, it's not, mate. Yeah, it is. No, it's not. It happens in nature all the time. That doesn't mean it's natural. It could be a defect as well. Well, I'm just saying, killing is natural. I don't care if it's natural. I care if it's ethical. killing is natural. Yeah, it doesn't make it OK. But you don't say, oh, it's OK because it's natural, bro. I'm just going to kill you. We wouldn't breed as many cows if we weren't going to eat them. Exactly. So I think it's wrong to continuously breed cows just for the sole purpose of killing them when you know that you can be vegan and it's healthier. You actually know it's healthier, which is interesting. I know it's healthier, and I know that it's better for me. But I do like the taste of meat. I do. It's a pleasure. I don't see a problem with it. Do you think we should do, like, use pleasure as the only sort of measure of what is moral, what's not? OK, pleasure overrides what's moral. I've got a lot of protein from moral. Yeah. So I'll get protein from plants, instant protein. Even though I know that the protein in the meat really originally came from the plant. Your second hand protein. No, but it's packed with protein because that's all they eat all the time. What makes you think you need all that protein anyway, starters? And what makes you think you can't get that amount of protein from plants? But I'll go back to what I said. The only reason I still eat meat is the taste. Yeah. And that's a pleasure response. It takes time. So, like, if you're going to do everything based on pleasure, you can be doing something. I'm not going to do anything. Just eating meat. Yeah. Even though it's immoral and you think it's wrong. I don't think it is immoral. OK. Why not? Why do you think it is? OK. Let me explain. You're conscious. You're experiencing the world around you. What happens to you matters to you, yeah? Which is why you have rights protecting you, yeah? Yeah. Someone, if I attack you, police will be like, no, they've got rights protecting this person. You can't do that. Right? I agree with that. Yeah. Do you agree with that premise? Like, that human should have rights protecting them from psychopaths and people trying to like, you know, humans should have rights. OK? Yeah. OK. So, animals are conscious. Yeah. They're aware of what happens to them. What happens to them matters to them. Yeah? Like, if I hurt a dog, it doesn't matter to you, necessarily. It matters to that dog. Are they that way? Well, if you kick a dog, you don't think they're aware of... I wouldn't. I wouldn't. No, no, no. I'm just asking, are they... Does that matter to that dog when you kick them? Yeah. So, when I kick a pig, does that matter to that pig that I kicked them? Yeah. OK. So, what happens to them matters to them? Yeah. To them? I wouldn't kick it. Yeah. OK. What happens to them matters to them? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because they're an individual, they're experiencing their reality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. That's why I think they should have the right to live in peace. Just like you do, and I do, and they do. And certain animals do, like dogs and that, like in this country, pretty... You're in a bit of a shit if you torture a dog. No, but in China, they eat dogs. OK. I think that's wrong too. OK. OK. But here, it's fine. I wouldn't eat a dog. There's no reason I wouldn't eat a dog. Yeah, because I know why. Because you're conditioned by society. You're conditioned to eat chickens and other animals. Yeah, because in England, they've got a very good relationship with their dogs. It would seem funny. I wouldn't eat a guinea pig. But morally, it's the same as eating a pig or a chicken. I don't know if you eat pigs. Do you eat pigs? You eat pigs? No, I don't eat pigs. Oh, do you eat... Is that for religious reasons? OK. You're Muslim? No. No. Christians. Christians don't eat pigs. Some Christians don't. No. Some Christians don't. They think... OK. There's all clean and clean meat in Leviticus. Interesting. Adieu to what Leviticus says. OK. A pig is all clean. It's got to chew the curds and have pie foods to eat it. So when did we start... When do you believe we started eating animals? Human beings. Are you religious? I might believe in God, but I don't subscribe to a particular religion. Adam and Eve left the garden reading. OK. We're sinning when we sinned. Yeah. OK. Wasn't it something about the fall of sin? Yeah. OK. Yeah, yeah. OK. Let's go for that. So you agree that it is a sin. It probably was a sin. But when everything became sinful, is when we started murdering all the animals? After sin, they needed blood to be a transgression of sin. A sacrifice of blood and the first sacrifice was the lamb. OK. You know, the thing is, you could take the Bible literally, but a lot of it is symbolic. Well, we're not talking about a Bible, because that's what we're going to disagree with. But Garden of Eden was vegan, just letting you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Is it vegan in the Garden of Eden? Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. So we got that on our... It was fruit, vegetables, pulses. Yes. And if you stick to that, it's better for you, apparently. Yeah, and that's part of design. Like, people are eating too much meat, meat, dairy, they have heart attacks, and that doesn't make sense. We're not designed that way. And cancer. Yeah. And when you see this... Red meat to cancer. When you see cruelty to animals, it probably doesn't make you feel the best. I don't think it should be cruel. OK, well, wait a second. Lions are cruel to animals. Lions are cruel to animals. And you said... Oh, they're just hunting. No, no, no. They are cruel. They're not after them. They are cruel. They grab them by the throat. They kill them when they eat them. No, no, no, no. They are deliberately cruel sometimes. Oh, I don't know about that. I've just seen the ones that hunt them. But they take a long time to kill them. They'll rip their face off the foot with their heart still beating. They'll do horrible things to the animal. Really? Yeah. Well, what about... I'm just don't know about most... Like, all I'm saying... I'm just saying... I'm just saying... I know you... I'm just saying you said... You said lions eat animals. So, therefore, it's OK for us too. So, I'm just like... No, you were ready to dismiss me with that. Yeah, yeah. And I take that vote. So, you take that away? I went back to the only reason I ate me is because of taste. OK. And then you said... I said, what's wrong with eating it? OK. So, you're off the lion's thing. I was just making sure you're definitely one. I'm off the lion's. You're off the lion's, all right. But I'm still into treating the animal right. OK. Looking after it. And at the end of its life, killing it quickly, aimlessly, and having a meal. OK. So, you get all of your animals from some magical farm that treats them right the whole way through. If I could, that would be perfect for me. No, no, no. Do you? No. OK. So, you're actually against your own philosophy every day. You go against it. I'm not against it. I sit in an ideal world. I'm not saying that it's the only reason I'm going to eat me. But OK. So, you're creating a hypothetical that you don't actually adhere to and... So, right now... So, it doesn't exist? Right now, you actually buy animals who have been treated cruelly and you eat them. I don't know how they've been treated. You're telling me. I really don't know. I've not looked into it. This is the first time I've looked into it. OK, that's good. I'm not telling me. I'm not even sure. So, you don't even know where your animals come from. At least you're honest. Yeah, they come from the abattoir and then they come from the farm. And what farm? What farm do you do? I don't know. OK. So, most of the chickens here, I'd say you're big on chicken. I've seen they come from beaks. Are you big on lamb or mutton? I love my lamb. Love your lamb? I cook curry goat every week. In fact, three times a week. So, you eat goats? Yeah. OK. OK. So, the chickens open... I cook it. I've got a Jamaican food company. OK. So, I cook curry goat and rice. I cook jerk chicken and rice. So, you sell this product as well? God. God, you're deep in, mate. You're in deep, bro. I don't know if it's... You're making people feel guilty here. No, that's OK. I don't want to make you feel guilty. You feel guilty because you probably think it's cruel. So, you don't wear leather shoes? No, no, no. This is called an appeal to hypocrisy, where people go, oh, I feel bad. I want to point something out, and he's doing wrong to make yourself feel better. Oh, that's left of the phone. Yeah, yeah. The phone. Because what you're doing, it's not an appeal to hypocrisy. It is. I feel that you've put me under defensive. So, now you're going to try to take me and see what's... It happens all the time. I'm not. Not a tag of it. Pick apart. Pick apart me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to see if you're perfect. It's all right, it's all right. You can join in. You can observe if you like it, yeah. I'm trying to see if you're perfect because... I'm not saying to be perfect, by the way. Right, so what I'm really trying to do is, I believe there's something that you do. That's just as bad? I enjoy, which is natural, which some people exploited. What if I came to you and I said, there's a sweatshop in Asia where these children are making no jackets? Would you not buy that jacket anymore? I would look at the sweatshop if there's full... If there's slavery in that sweatshop, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd be right. Well, this is the first time you're doing this to me. I love my chicken. If you come to me on the TV screen and you go, hey, bro, you've got that jacket there, whatever company it is, right? Here's the footage, right? Here's the footage. Who would have phoned even? No, but there's nothing wrong with this phone. I don't think it's immoral to buy a phone. No, no, I didn't say that, but... I don't think it's immoral. I don't think it's immoral. I think it's broken by it. All right, I'll give you a clue. If this was a piece of... This phone has cold trade in it. Cold bait. Cold tan? Cold tan. Or Colbert? From... No, cold tan. Contained from the Congo. It's not necessarily from the Congo, but a lot of it's from the Congo. There's a mining company in Australia that's now started doing it. At one point, it was only from the Congo. Okay. Yet, so the average wage for the people in the Congo is $1 a month. Wait, wait, wait a second. For who? For just the miners or for everyone in the Congo? Everybody. Okay, so that's not a problem with... In fact... Well, wait a second. That's not a problem with the mining. That's a problem with the country. It's still being exploited. So, wait, wait. If you don't work in the mines, how much do you get? It's the same. Well, then what's the matter with the mines then? It's all bad over there. The people in the mines are being exploited. More than the people outside the mines? How have they been exploited? To not tell them how much they're mining. How much are they being exploited? They should be getting a fair wage. But wait a second. Forget getting the most valuable metal in the world, which every computer and every mobile phone needs. You just told me that it's the average wage for the Congo. Yeah. So why is it any worse in the mine than it is in the Congo? The gross... No, no, no, because you're looking at the wages here, even though the Congo is vastly different in its economy. I'm looking at the wages in... Let's go South Africa. It's still ridiculous. And there's still been exploited. The Congo should be as rich as Saudi Arabia. But the whole country is bad. The whole country is bad for wages. I'm just saying, how is it worse in a mine than it is any other industry in the... No, it isn't. Okay, well, there you go. They're being exploited. Then it doesn't matter. I'm still adding to it by buying the phone. Is working for a low wage the same as enslaving an animal and chopping their head off and chopping them up into pieces? You're enslaving a human being. They're not enslaved. If they're getting paid, they're not enslaved. They're too bad, though, but you're quite... Why are you even prone to mislead which ones worse than the other? They're both bad. Can't we just not do them? That's what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say he's bad. I would say they're not the same. They're not equally bad. He's saying not to each of them. I said, all right, if you don't want to each of them, get rid of them. Do we have to pay for which ones worse than the other? Can't we just do them? They're not worse. No, because I don't think that what he's saying is analogous. And I don't think what you're saying is... Well, why does it matter which ones worse than the other? I'm just saying it's why they're better than either of them. No, because... You don't care about chickens. I'm not caring about human beings. Well, wait a second. Let's calm down a bit. Let's calm down. I want to explain to you why that matters. No, but surely... Can I explain to you what... Yeah, but you two are getting way too weighed up and poor. No, no, no, because we want to live in a world where neither of these exist. Are you going to Hallelujah? Yeah, yeah, right. We're kind of getting a little bit like... I'm trying to say he's just standing. He only brought this up. He's... When he's gone, no. Okay, this is why. No, this is why. You're saying you're going too far. No, no, no. What he's doing... See, this is why it's a problem. I'm putting him back to him. No, I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They're both bad. Look, look, they're not bad for the same reasons. This is why I'm saying it. They're not bad for the same reasons. This is why I'm saying my problem. No, they're not very different. Because if you were taking those people in the Congo... Let me talk, let me talk, let me talk, let me talk, let me talk. No. Let me talk, brother, let me talk. Because you spoke with... Listen, listen. Okay. I'm saying... Okay, hit me, hit me, go, go, go. Get rid of your phone and I'll listen to you about it. See, this is why it matters. That's it. No, listen. This is exactly why it matters. Because what he's doing is... No, this is why it doesn't. They're surely... You're not even letting me talk. You're not even letting me talk. I'm listening. Okay, let's go. I'm trying to explain to you, but you're talking to me. I'm ready to listen. Okay, while it matters that these are not analogous, it's because he's going to go, well, you got a phone so I don't have to stop eating chickens. Wait a second, I'm not finished. I'm not even finished. This is the worst audience ever. What I'm trying to say... Is it? That's all. Wait, one sec, one sec. What I'm trying to say is, is to make it analogous, you would have to take those people in the Congo against their will, put them in a factory farm, torture them and cut their heads off and serve them to me, and that direct supply and demand chain is causing them to be chopped up into pieces, that is analogous. But you're working in a country that has a low wage across the board who are mining coltan, and if you take that coltan industry out of their country, their country goes bust and they probably get forced into real slaves. You take that industry out of their country, it's no one else. It's what I'm saying, is it brings money into their country. If you refuse to buy that phone... Why would I? I don't think it's immoral. I've told you what's happened. I don't think it's immoral. And if everybody did that, they'd say, I don't think it's immoral. How much coltan is in this phone? This much? They're both bad. It's not a piece of someone. You can both free their very bad. So if you refuse to buy that, they would have to improve the standards they're working. They should improve the standards across the board in the country. I gave all my human beings and chickens. You're allowed to. You're allowed to. I've given them to their God bless you, my brother. But you don't have to torture chickens as well. People are being tortured. I'm going to come in with a video and show you what they're living like. It's disgusting. In the whole of the Congo... It's disgusting. I don't agree. They should raise the standards of the whole country. But I'm not responsible for that. Yeah, I know, but you're contributing to one of them. Get rid of it. Get rid of it. It doesn't matter. Yeah, but just because that exists doesn't mean that... You're telling me about one farm. You buy a chicken. Okay, let me say this before you leave. Before you leave, my brother. It's not a one farm. I've been caught up in that same thing. One sec. Can I... Because I want to talk to you. It's just because of all the animals and human beings. No, I don't care about you. What do you do? No, I don't. Hey, why are you set up? Now, that's a bad... That's a cop out. Because if this was happening to humans... You're using it. That's what I think. No, no, no. Get rid of the phone and I'll listen to you. If I was saying, hey, man, that dude over there is kicking that dog over there, kicking him to death and you go, well, you got a phone. Well, why is that different? You're going, oh, you're a hypocrite, man. You got a phone. No, no, no, no. My argument is... You're trying to tell me about chickens, yeah? He's trying to tell you about something. Sorry, brother? You're trying to tell him about chicken. And then he goes... He's listening, but he's trying to tell you about something. You're not listening. I'll listen to him. I know the Kongos. I know the Kongos. We all know what a dead one is. I know the Kongo cold tan thing. I don't think it's... I don't think it's that bad. And I don't think that's that bad. Shit in the world. But also, what you've got here... They're not chopping them up into pieces and serving them to people. Do you know what they did for the rubber? I've only started on one thing. We've got any rubber on you? He's just trying to say... They just chopped off their hand for the rubber. If you didn't come back with a certain amount of rubber, they could kidnap their sons, kidnap their wives, or chop off their hands. So what are you saying? So do you think... I'm going to get rid of your rubber now. Let me say... Let's see, you've got any rubber. You're going to get rid of your rubber. So you're saying... Are you saying all rubber is a product of hands being chopped off? Is that the claim? Oh, here we go. I don't care. It's all chicken. All chicken is a product of a chicken being chopped up into pieces. No, you told me there's some farms where they're organically raised, grass-fed. And they get chopped up into pieces. I'm treating right. But you don't... You don't buy from them. I'm treating right until they're endowed life. But you don't... You don't buy from them, brother. They get killed properly. But you don't buy from them, brother. Do you know? How do you know? How do you know? So, okay. Okay, let me say this. If I go to the Congo... If I go to the Congo... If I go to the Congo, treat them right, make them all happy, raise the living standard and chop their heads off. That will be okay with you. No, no, no, no, no. That will be okay. I'm not talking about... Chopping their heads off is fine. No, no, no. Oh, no, you can't... No, no, no. Raise their standards. Raise their standards. I'm not crying a chicken to a human being. No, no. How those people are treating this just as bad, whether they treat it or not, whether their heads are chopped off or not? I think it's... It shouldn't be living like that. This is disgusting. Chopping animals up is way worse. No. No, it's not. Billions of animals... As I said, I get more about human beings than chickens. You can't say it's worse, but you can't say... Having a... Wait a second. You can't say it's worse. Would you rather work for a low wage or be chopped up into pieces? I'm not saying murder doesn't happen. By the way, I know there's bad stuff that happens to animals. It's awful. I'm not saying it's good, by the way. I'm just saying that... This will be by an instrument. If we all said... We all said, right, get rid of my phone. And what's that he just whipped out? Is that an iPhone? I think right now is the perfect time to point out that my man's actually has an iPhone. So he really doesn't care about the ethics of buying iPhones. What his agenda really was, and I think he made that very transparent and clear, was that he wanted to avoid responsibility for what was happening to these chickens by finding something hypocritical about me and running with it. This is all about him avoiding responsibility and it has nothing to do with the ethics of iPhones. If we all said... We all said, right, get rid of my phone. It wouldn't stop anything. No, it wouldn't. If we all did, it wouldn't. No, it wouldn't. We knew the best it would. Because it would take... It would probably send them into more poverty. Bill Gates, I saw a field of poultry. Because being chopped up into pieces is way worse than working for a low wage. Why would you even say that? It is. If you were a chicken, you'd beg to differ. But you can't put yourself in the animal's... That's a chicken. Are you saying an animal has more right than we do? They have no rights at all. You have way more rights than I do. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm just saying no... Are they more... I'm not saying no. That's a chicken bite. I'm not saying if I have to choose between... I'm talking about being... Yeah, but that's not the thing. All I'm saying is choose a different meal. No, I'm talking about... I'm not saying between... I'm just saying just choose a different meal. What's your name? What you're doing here, yeah. Fine, spread it in a way. What's your name? What is your name? Joey. Joey has a chicken got the conscious level of the brain as much as us. No. Right. But there's humans. There's some humans that don't care. It allows me... There's some humans that don't care. But brother... To feel pain more and to be aware of things. Yeah, but I'm not choosing between you and a chicken. It's just it. I'm just saying... You just told me to cut off the chicken's head. It's worse than having people go down a mine, a mine for Coltrane, for $1 a month. It is worse to have your head cut off. So I'm not listening to you about the chicken. God bless you. You don't want to change, that's why. You don't want to change. You change about the chicken. I'll say it now. Change what? Get rid of the phone and I will stop eating chicken. But wait, this phone's already bought. Whoa! This phone's already bought. So, bro, this phone's already bought. I've already bought this phone. All right. If I don't buy another one... Get rid of it. But all you have to do is stop. You want me to get rid of my chicken. I don't buy a phone three times a day, but you buy a chicken three times a day. Get rid of my chicken, I'll get rid of my phone. But you buy one three times a day. Chicken. How often do you eat? That's how I earn my living. Go vegan. Vegan Jamaican. I do vegan food as well. You do? Send it my way, brother. It was interesting. That was appeal to hypocrisy on steroids. What happened is we had a pretty productive conversation and then he started looking at my phone. He's like, what can I pick apart here? Shoes, they're not leather. Oh, wait a second. Where the clothes made? Phone, he's got a phone. All right, the phone is morally, buying a phone is morally the same as causing a mass murder of billions and billions of sentient beings for a sandwich. So go into the store and buying animal products three times a day is the same as buying a phone, which has a small, I don't know how much coltan is in the phone, microscopic amount. I'm not saying coltan mining is like the most amazing industry on earth. There's probably some slavery that happens. We can't really pinpoint it. But mostly what he was talking about is low wages in the Congo. And then I asked him if it was like, is it just strict to Congo mines or is the whole country got low wages? Well, if the whole country's got low wages, then it's not something that's isolated to coltan mines. So I don't know if boycotting that country is even a good idea. And then you just take all their jobs away from them and then what do they have? You probably force them into worse work, worse pay, worse conditions. I don't think working for a low wage in a country that's already on low wages is morally the same as torturing and cutting the heads off of billions of beings. So you can eat their bodies. It's just not morally on par. Those two things are not analogous. I know probably the chickens probably prefer working for low pay than having their head cut off, being stuck in factory farms in their own feces imprisoned and then sent to the slaughterhouse. I mean, I'm not saying one's good. Some countries have generally bad economy and they're unfortunate. A lot of these industries coming into their countries bring a lot of money in too. But if you were taking all those people rounding them up for slaughter, then you could start saying they're the same thing. But I think what he wanted to do was have a cop out that was like, okay, you got a phone, I'm not going to change. I'm going to keep three times a day buying the flesh of murdered animal slaves so I don't have to change because you got a phone. He'll keep continuously supporting that industry that chops up animals, kills them every single day, every single day and he'll never stop now because he's got that one thing that I had a phone. So I don't think that's honest. I don't think that's just he wanted a way out and he got it in his own mind. But that's it. What's up, brother? She's stuck in a farrowing shed. She's beautiful. You're eating her? I am. You're eating pigs? What's wrong? That's what we got to live. That's how you have to eat them to survive? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't eat them. That's what's on offer, huh? But you can get vegan stuff. That's what's on offer. We do like vegan stuff. But wait a second. Do you think this is bad? Like what happens to the pigs? If it's inhumane. Yeah, they're all factory farmed over here. If they're full, they're bad at everything. Yeah, but you just have to not... Because when you pay them money, you're sort of supporting it, aren't you? But what's the alternative? Vegan. But what if you're going to make vegetables? No, vegetables are vegan burgers, vegan sausage rolls, vegan everything. You get vegan everything, brother. Ah, it's not the same as that, man. So taste over life? Taste over life. So cruelty over taste? Taste over life. No? So this is cruelty, though? Taste over cruelty? No, I still have it every day. Yeah. Okay. Is that a real fur? Is that a real fur jacket? I don't know, it doesn't look like a real one. It's not real, is it? No, it's not real fur. No, it doesn't look like it. Sorry? Am I real? I think so. Hope I'm real. What am I doing? I'm showing people... I took this footage in the farms over here, in the UK. No, I'm just trying to show people what happens in factory farms. A lot of people haven't seen in there, have they? Okay, so... Being kind to animals is not your thing? It's not everyone's thing. You don't really care about animals? Not really. Can you do that for me from a choice, please? Sorry? No, no. Sorry. If I cared about everything, like being... I'd be in a different place. Yeah. I mean... Matter of choice, innit me? Yeah, we do have a choice to be cruel to the animals. That's true. I'm not being cruel. You don't think so? I'm not being cruel, please. I'm fighting myself. Because you're creating the demand for the cruelty, like, without you that doesn't exist. I didn't bring it. I didn't bring it. No, but you are like... So you're paying them to do this to the animals when you give them the money and you take the meat off of... You know, and you eat the meat, you're creating the demand. They only do this to the animals for you, for everyone here who eats the animals.