 So with the involvement that you have now with some of the careers team at, let's say, Schroder's, is there common things that you see that are good qualities in candidates and those that are not good? Yeah, definitely. So I do sort of help out on the assessment days and the insight days and things like that. The one, I think the standout quality that does really separate a candidate is intellectual curiosity. And I know we've, you know, me and you have spoken about this before. Everyone knows that, you know, the finance finance sector, all the different industries offer a lot of grad programs and there's a lot of variation within that. And a lot of recruiters know that a lot of students will just sort of, you know, machine gun, take a machine gun approach and just try and hit every company in every sector and, you know, throw as many applications out there as possible and hope, you know, just play the numbers game, which definitely has a merit. You know, buy everything out there, just as far to you know, it's probably 100 grad schemes in the city, maybe more of a decent size. I think that's impossible to, you know, you have to have, you have to be, you have to discriminate a little bit between them, between them so the applications are high quality. But I think having intellectual curiosity, like genuine intellectual curiosity about an industry and showing that and demonstrating that is absolutely key. The demonstration that being so important because the amount of students that I meet, you know, we do sort of speed interviews and things like that here. The maps, you know, I will always ask, what are you doing outside of your course, because some will do finance and naturally they'll be doing stuff related to the industry anyway but what are you doing outside of your course in your spare time to further your knowledge or, you know, get some skills that are relevant to your, that would be relevant to your career. Now, everyone that tells me I love investing, I love equities always have done. If they struggle to answer that question, then it's just not that compelling. They're not making that much of a compelling case. So, you know, to the interviewer that they, that is genuine. It's like saying, you know, if you ask me, you know, what football club do you support and I say I love United always have done you know, you know, did you watch the game at the weekend and I don't even know who they played, and I've never been to old Trafford, and I don't even know who the star players are, you're not going to believe me that I'm genuinely interested in Man United. You know, having intellectual curiosity then demonstrating it is super key. I mean, to my point that I mentioned earlier about picking subjects and things like that. If you follow what you love, I don't think that's a problem. If you're applying, you know, for jobs because you feel you know you just should go into finance because you did a finance related degree or your mates who are applying for finance and that just seems like the right thing to do. I would encourage, you know, students to really try and find a bit of finance that they think genuinely appears somewhere they can enjoy the most, that they can have the most fun. Because you know it's a tough assessment process to get the internships and tough jobs is then tough when you start working these companies. If you don't, I think genuinely enjoy it and generally attracted to at least some parts of the role. I just don't think you'll last the course. So, you know, you're working for a long time. So, you know, I think it's to not do something that you at least not everyone can walk around loving their job. You know, that is, you know, that is a sort of dream situation, but that's sort of not the reality. But I think you can enjoy a decent amount of it to make it worthwhile and enjoy your career. So to make sure you demonstrate that well with examples to assesses is really important. And that can be, you know, the go to one that a lot of people will I do and the finance society at university, and that's fine. I've got to understand the amount of people, you know, if there's 150 people in your, your university's finance society times that by 30 universities, plus international, you know, the US universities and everything like that. You know, most people are probably going to have that as they go to evidence for intellectual curiosity. You know, so I work in equities. If someone says they love equities, they love investing. You know, I would hope, you know, a good quality candidate will be running a portfolio or investing themselves doesn't have to be with real money. I didn't have any money at university invest, but you know, you can run a paper portfolio, you know, simulations, etc, etc. You're probably going to ask honest be asked on a stock pick. You're going to want to have at least probably two or three up your sleeve now you don't need to be quoting, you know, the 2014 cash flow statement but you've got to have a view. I'd encourage that view to be different than the market view. If I always ask, especially if it's equity, you know, and someone says they do, you know, they they have, they have a portfolio they invest in stocks I always ask them, you know, tell me about one stock. I'm not an investor. I work on investment desk. I'm not an investor. I'm not going to ask someone about, you know, the valuation multiple what adjustments they're making to balance sheet, etc, etc. I just want to know, has this person thought reasonably sensibly through the investment case of a business. And then the other thing I'd say is pick a stock that's not Tesla, Apple or Facebook because the amount of times I hear those, or people give a stock recommendation it's one of those. You just not differentiating yourself. Also, you know, most PMs and most fund managers will know that the investment case for those stocks better than any student. So, you know, if you if you pick something, pick something that's just really interesting to you, if you, if you, if you like sport, why not pick, you know, Man United, or why not pick Adidas, or you know, just something at least a little bit different, a little bit more niche and you can, you know, you can talk about that probably in a far better way than than a company that everyone covers in the city. So yeah, sorry, long, long answer to a short question. Number one, intellectual curiosity evidence it as much as you can. Yeah, and then like my final question then is that beyond application so now that you're at the level of experience that you're at in like direct to position. Yeah, what thing would you say has been something that you've had to learn in the workplace that you've had to work hard at to then help that process. Then doesn't necessarily where it could be technical knowledge, but for most people I guess it's not always that because you've got to manage. You're working in a large organization and so on. So how's that journey been. Okay, so I have three points. I promise I won't talk as long as I did for the last time so so that the first one I will make around the technical ability. I'm not naturally technical at all. My role I'd say has a reasonable amount of, you know, technical knowledge that it's needed I need to speak well about equities to clients I need to have a view on these things I need to understand the investments. That's well enough both of you know the team I work on but also peers and competitors. But ultimately, you will learn the technical side, whether you are technical or not. I know that the technical side of finance puts a lot of people off. There are elements of finance that are very, very technical. I can imagine, you know, things like trading. Some quantum fund management stuff is very about actuarial. Attracts very technical people but there's, there's this bit of a myth around finance that everyone, you know, can do the black skulls equation in the city in their head or whatever it's, it's a complete myth that I think everyone loves to keep up. And because, you know, people make them sound clever than they are. If you're not technically minded, please do not be put off by Korean finance. There are just a thing you learn it and be the bar for how technical you need to be. It's a lot lower than anyone will probably publicly admit in finance. So that's just one thing that I've learned all of that. And most of that I did my CFA and whatever, but it's not that when I speak to students and it really puts them off a lot of stuff in finance. It's, yeah, I find it quite disheartening because the industry needs to have a better job on that, you know, marketing itself to people that think about the world differently. In terms of my experience and the two things I'd say I've learned. One was definitely humility. So when I started, especially when I started at Schrodinger's, you know, I was 26. I'd just been an international hockey player for a few years, played in Holland. And, you know, I was then a graduate. I was, you know, I wouldn't say I was getting a photocopy and getting a tease. Not quite that bad, but it definitely took a while to, to, to just, you know, I think I probably thought I was going to be doing a lot more exciting things in my first year or two than I actually was. So sort of just being humble and just being quiet and listening was really, really important for me. Now, you know, I know a lot of other people have different experiences going into their grad scheme. So probably isn't as much of a sort of skill that they have to learn, but linked to the second one. So this is something I see across interns graduates not here, but most places is this is just patience. I was definitely a bit impatient at times when I think over the last few years, you know, just wanted to progress super super quickly, you know, you know, it was hungry to progress to get given more work to get given more responsibility. And I think most places are very good at nurturing and developing talent over time. But you just do also have to be to be patient and, you know, it's great to have hungry graduates and people like that that do want to take more on things like that. But the firm will give you enough work to do you will be pushed in terms of your learning not just on the job but most likely exams and any other assessments and things that the companies have. I would just encourage everyone to as you know, as my parents and colleagues encourage me to be just just it will all come just just in good time and there's an advantage to being young and naive and inexperienced. On the grad scheme, you have free license pretty much maybe not all companies but the ones that I know to email pretty much anyone in the firm to just have coffee. That's an amazing thing to go and do. If I emailed someone from our real estate division or our fixed income division said, oh, you know, someone quite soon said, oh, can I just have coffee and learn about your role. They're going to think that I'm going to want to job there. Because why does someone that's at direct level wants to go and do that unless there's something business related was there might be and that's, you know, completely fine but it's a graduate. It's a class to go and do that to definitely go and do that, and then just be patient and just, yeah, just don't be too, don't be in too much of a rush.