 We just try to livestream the stream crash and I had to restart it. So sorry about that So we're gonna try this again. So welcome and hello happy Halloween Happy early Halloween everyone and welcome to the dojo verse today I thought we'd do something fun do the bonus live stream and just kind of talk about our favorite martial arts films that we're gonna give just a few minutes for people to come into the chats before we get things going but I'm Very laid-back discussions. They very casual and all objective is just to kind of you know There's so many different martial arts films out there, you know, we all have our favorites Sometimes we got involved in the martial arts because the movies you grew up with Other times we found movies later that represented the arts that we fell in love with so sometimes it was the reverse I just want to hear your stories and maybe get some ideas full disclosure There's a lot of martial arts films. I have not seen I didn't grow up watching a ton of them I had my favorites and I had my favorite actors and that kind of stuck with those and watched them over and over So I didn't diversify a whole lot in recent years. I've been trying to watch a little bit more I did not grow up watching the kung fu movies that most people did I was never really that big of a fan of Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris and didn't watch a lot of those I watched Steven Seagal. I watched Van Damme You know, I thought those were pretty fun at the time I love the best of the best movies for all of those who know me on this channel You know the cry-to-kid movies have a special place in my heart So that is a lot of you know where my influence came from So I didn't watch a whole lot of diverse movies growing up in terms of martial arts But I do have the oddball oddball one here and there and I thought maybe today would be a good chance to get some new ideas and We're still waiting for some people to come into the chat. Just want to make sure that this thing is working so far okay, and Basically We did an interview recently with Derek Wayne Johnson. He's a really really good guy and Welcome sir. How's it going? Welcome to the chat? So we did a video recently an interview with Derek Wayne Johnson He's a filmmaker and a martial artist and he has produced some wonderful documentaries namely King of the Underdog which is in a documentary in which he Made on John G. Allison the director of the cry-to-kid and Rocky amongst other films It is such a wonderful documentary and he's did some rocket documentary So he's got a lot of great work So if you look back to the channel if you look down in the description I posted a link to the interview a lot of what we're gonna talk about he and I talked about at the time So we're just gonna kind of go over some ideas talk about why martial arts are so fun Why we like to them in the movies what movies get right what movies get wrong our favorite ones? And we'll just kind of take it from there. We're gonna have some fun with this So just give another minute to you for people to get started and then we will get going So I hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far Halloween is this coming up weekends It's coming up this weekend. It's kind of weird. It's on a Sunday, but so Well, let's just get started. I will talk about the first question was What are your two favorite martial arts films two of them? The first one is based on story. The second one is a guilty pleasure. I'll go first Once again for those who know me know that my favorite movie is the karate kid That one is the one I grew up with on story It's got a very special place in my heart part two Especially has a very very personal connection to me not quite ready to share on the channel yet but I have a very deep connection with the more the karate kid films and Growing up. They were always my go-to they inspired me to join the martial arts It was the first time that I had seen a real-life kid or a Portrayed real-life kid have real problems, you know up to this point. It was Chuck Norris. It was Steven Segal It was Van Damme. It was Bruce Lee. It was short snagers alone All these one-man armies that would go up against you know, it's militia or terrorists or whatever and beating everybody up Those were escapism films the karate kid was the first one I saw growing up that actually showed a real kid in high school with real problems just trying to get by and It was very relatable and especially when you bring in the constant the bullies Most of us or many of us at some point in time have encountered bullies or kids that picked on us So as a kid like when I was lucky enough not to have a Regular bully, but I had kids that picked on me bigger kids and the thing that I hated and scared me the most is when they shoved me I Was a skinny little rail you wouldn't be able to tell that now, but when I was a kid I was up, you know a rail of a thing and When a big kid shoved me that feeling of helplessness like like I was you know powerless to stop it I they were much bigger than me much stronger than me that scared the heck out of me So when I saw the karate kid, it made me realize well, you know, you don't have to be afraid of that There are answers that there's ways to have confidence and learn to defend yourself So when it comes to story elements those you can probably guess that the karate kid is my favorite movie as far as guilty pleasure Which was a martial art film that I think was just fun all story aside There's probably a few that fit that list But the one that's jumping to mind right now is I believe it was a made for cable film called blood moon back in the 90s It's not a good movie, but it was fun and it was before I started watching the Jackie Chan stuff But it didn't age. Well, and when I go back now and look at it The choreography is pretty terrible. It's predictable, but at the time I hadn't seen stunts like that I mean the the choreography was very intricate and it was Jackie Chan esque in which they intertwined with the environment and it was fun. It was quirky. It was corny. It was almost like Like a poor man's version of Mortal Kombat not a great film But that's what I would put on if I just kind of wanted a cheesy martial arts film in the background So and then a lot of other, you know, you know overnight movies that run HBO, you know The Don the Dragon Wilson Cynthia Rothrock movies those movies. I love those growing up. They were always a lot of fun So that was my personal experience. So I want to see what some of you guys are saying out there What were some of your favorite films? Chuck Norris and David Carradine were great in the lone wolf McQuaid and iron iron and silk was also good I have not seen those so that's one of the objectives today is there's a lot of movies I did not watch growing up martial arts films. You know, I had my favorites and I kind of stuck to those I would watch them over and over but there's a lot of films I haven't seen so I'm kind of excited to see where this discussion goes because there's a lot of stuff I don't know about and I'm hoping to take some notes to go back later and go back and read this chat and get some good ideas I did just start not just start. I started a couple months ago the it man films with Donnie Yen I've watched the first three. I still have number four to get to They're fun. They're good. I like the choreography What I don't like though is it kind of blurs the lines It's it's not historically accurate and it's it kind of feels weird to me that you're watching the movie based on a real guy like that And the trying it's almost like they're trying to portray historical accuracy But there's definitely elements of fantasy in there and it's um back to the one-man army. They're really fun They're really cool, but they're not my favorite, but I think Donnie Yen is a fantastic actor I think it's a fantastic martial artist. I'm watching them for him is worth it alone. So Yeah, no retreat no surrender Yeah artist and crane I saw no retreat no surrender a long time ago. I don't even remember it I need to go back and watch it again. I think I was a kid when that one came out Let's see a karate kid is a classical number two was neat. So gardening. Yeah, I'm gonna get to this one day This is not something I'm ready to talk about in the channel. But part karate kid part two is When I was I came out in 86 so I was seven when that came out I saw one and two pretty close together like one was already on TV and two had was just coming out So I really grew up watching both of them, you know Continuously so they both kind of were always on and I have a very deep connection with part two which I'll get to someday But so it's more than like the karate kids films to me are more than just oh, you know watching a kid Good Friday didn't just it was more than just inspiring me to get into karate There's a lot of core values I have in life that I that some of the threads and roots go as far back as karate kid But yeah, I agree karate kid one and two are spectacular. I like karate kid three action I love karate to three. I know it's not great a lot of people hate it But I think it's good enough as a trilogy. I think they work but personally speaking I think one and two were perfect on their own. They're they're great bookends to each other and When we talk about what makes great martial arts movies work is that to me the karate kid is more than just a karate film It's there's a really really good story there and it's the chemistry between Daniel and Miyagi You've got this really beautiful story of a son who finds a surrogate father and Miyagi is there and fulfills his role For him and he's there to help Daniel do his trouble and what I love about karate katoos It flips that script over a little bit now You've got this man who needs a surrogate son who steps up and now he's there from Miyagi for his trouble So I really love how the two films complement each other. It's a wonderful book ends The last dragon. Yes I'm gonna admit this guys. Don't kill me. I have not seen that yet. I have it I didn't know about it growing up. I only really find out about it a few years ago Which I know is a sin. It's a crime I've seen the trailer. I love 80s. She's I love 80s movies. I have it on my list. I've got it I'm gonna go back and watch it. I accept any flaming and and any Ostracizing I get from this. I know I should have seen this by now, but um, I'm really looking forward to watching that one Vandamma I liked a lot growing up especially in the 90s and Steven's to go like I Don't like his movies his later movies but his earlier films were kind of fun and That was the first time I'd ever seen a keto on film So it was something new like, you know, I was used to karate kid in Chuck Norris, but Segal was something new. He was fun Thank you so much, Mike. I really appreciate it shoot fighter one and two William Zabka Oh, yeah, I've not seen those breathing fire American kickboxers super fights mission of justice to be the best To be the best Wow, those are awesome. I think I've seen I might have seen shoot fighter when I was really young You think I would have seen that multiple times with William Zabka American kickboxer I believe I watched some of these names I think I saw way way back when they first came out a lot of films were on when I was a kid I watched a lot of movies, but they blur for me The shoe fighters I need to go back and watch those. Actually, I think I'm going to take a note of everything on your lists Martin yeah, Martin Cove. You think I would have seen those So I'm definitely go back If I'm a complete sucker for enter the dragon, that's the bar in terms of martial arts movies for me I don't I don't disagree with you. I did like that film. It's kind of funny I saw that after the 95 Mortal Kombat came out and I'm watching going hey They ripped off Mortal Kombat and like well, no actually the Mortal Kombat ripped off into the dragon. That is a classic one Absolutely. So thank you so much Mike. I just want to thank you again. It's very generous of your contribution Some really good suggestions there. I am going to go back after this stream I'm going to take notes and I'm hoping to get some really good suggestions. And that's a great start right there Reading fires below young and the Chinese kids from Goonies. Oh, yeah, yeah below young. He's from um Bloodsport, right the the big guy that that that Van Damme fought. Wasn't he also another dragon? I'm not sure Uh, the last dragon. Yeah, a lot of people are recommending the last dragon I think that's gonna be my next film to watch. I like said I own it. I have it I got it recently not recently but I got a while back I just never got around to watching it And I'll probably do you send a dojo on it because it just looks too fun to not watch it Uh, and it's funny to talk about movies like The 80s were a weird time because there's so many martial arts films And you're talking about an era where Martial arts were in movies a lot But the american public wasn't as savvy as they are today in terms of different types of martial arts You pretty much had kung fu karate taekwondo. Those were the three names. You really heard thrown out there So there's a lot of movies that I think were able to use martial arts as sort of um a gimmick And you can really get fantastic with it like the last dragon You can tell they had fun with it And you've got your bad ass is like chuck norris and van dammen those guys So you had the one man armies and you had the heart felt stories like like the karate kid and Going into the 90s They took it up another notch with the matrix of mortal combat going more fantasy based But there's a lot of films in the 80s and the 70s that were kind of weird like I'm probably one of the few people on this earth that don't like big trouble little china I never liked it. I've tried watching it a few times and I know there's You know watch that you can definitely see some mortal combat kind of hand picked some influences from that but I don't have fun with that one. So i'm not sure what you guys feel about that um king of the kickboxers Yeah, very very king of the early 90s cheese. Yeah green and fire Perfect weapon and bloodsport. Yeah, perfect weapon funny story about that I found that on I want to say it was hbo When I was a kid There's a lot of movies that I wasn't allowed to watch growing up because I was young and and what what I would do Though was my parents didn't know was when I was really young I would sneak out of my bed at night and our house growing up in texas We had this long hallway that went right into the living room And my bedroom was around the corner So I would actually get up at night and while my parents were watching tv I would peek around the corner and I had a straight shot view right to the tv So I watched a lot of movies at that time. I watched jaws. I even ghostbusters the first time that way And then when I got a little bit older into like middle school and yeah, when I was got to middle school age I was lucky enough to have a tv in my room And when my parents went to bed and I wasn't tired I would turn on the tv and watch movies and I found best of the best that way I found the perfect weapon that way and lethal weapon And I loved those movies all of those and I got totally addicted to lethal weapon films The perfect weapon I thought was so cool at the time I had not seen a martial artist move like that on film And the music was the right tone and it was just a good pump up Action film and I loved it and the funny story about that There was I had no idea what Campbell was at the time This was about one or two years before I actually joined the martial arts And when we moved here to Florida, my parents found the ad in the paper for karate classes Then they're like, yeah, you want to give this a try? I'm like, yeah, sure. Okay I went to the school and When I got there I saw the poster on the wall for perfect weapon. I'm like, oh, hey, I love that movie And I was like, oh wait, is this is this that style? Excuse me. I got really really excited But only a few months later just because we came down for a seminar. So that was an awesome experience So I didn't even know it was a Kempo movie until I was already in Kempo was able to look back and go Oh, yeah, I see it now. So yeah, perfect weapon holds a special place in my heart for many many reasons. That's obvious Best of the best definitely was one of my favorites That was I should put that up there for story as well because It is a taekwondo film or it's a martial arts film pardon me But it really is the characters come first There's not a lot of martial arts in it. It's mostly training montages and training scenes There's you've got a cool bar scene and you've got determined at the end The rest of the movie is very very story driven and I was so touched by that And watching Philip remove he was one of my favorite martial arts for a long time growing up just because his Kicks are so crisp and sharp and precise and so intentional that I wanted to move like that I never could of course, but he was definitely one I looked up to and There is a sequel to which I'm sorry tekin. Oh tekin. You know, I haven't seen any of those Uh, I was not big on the kung fu movies. I didn't watch those. I had a lot of friends that did Um, I didn't watch very many of those just pieces. I got into the Jackie Chan It's funny. I knew the name growing up because there was a cartoon series So I always knew his name and when I was in high school my friend and I went to go see rumble in the Bronx It was we were bored not bored, but we had some, you know, we had time after school We're like, let's go to the movies and we saw that was out trailer. Look good. I was blown away I was blown away. I was the first Jackie Chan film I'd ever seen He was so different than everything else out there. He wasn't the one man army He wasn't the fighter. He was the scrambler. He was the escape artist His stuff is half parkour as much parkour as it is, you know, martial arts So he was such a trip and such a joy to watch that, you know, I got addicted to his stuff So I started watching more of his films as they came over here Not even realizing that he had a whole library of films that he'd done previous So that was a fun experience. But my thing with kung fu movies And I'm kind of curious to see what you guys think my I like films that portray the martial arts either realistically or fantasy in a certain extent that You get you have film like I'm like Mortal Kombat. That's fantasy based So you can do the weird wire So if you do the floating the freeze and the really cool magic effects if it's not a movie like that I like something more along the lines of john wick or karate kid It's not, you know, it's not the most intense martial arts in the world But it feels realistic because they're real techniques And you've got the best of the best which feels realistic and even think even john wick is fantasy as it is The actual hand-to-hand fights. They're gritty. They're raw. They're graphing. They go to the ground They're brutal. They feel like a real struggle Martial arts films that feel like a real struggle are my absolute favorite. Thank you again, Mike black dynamite best No, tell me about that one. I don't think I know about that one. Who's in that? So, yeah, so So the kung fu movies growing up. I didn't like the half like I know they're fantasy based, but I'm not a huge fan of wire work It's something about the look I'm more impressed when I can when the actor can do or this least the stunt person can do what they're physically doing Unless there's a reason like a character can fly or has a special power I'm not a big fan of a ton of wire work and that's just my own personal opinion I think that's why I haven't seen as many kung fu films But I do but like you got to feel like kung fu hustle, which is a comedy that movie is great I've watched that several times and see it kind of fits that mold So, so what do you guys think? So what are your what are your favorite guilty pleasures? Let's go like that your favorite guilty pleasure movie all story side. It could be cheesy It could be stupid. It could be funny. What are your guilty pleasure in martial arts films? That that really says the raid 1 and 2 I've seen parts of those and the scenes I have seen have been amazing that I also have those as well I am going to go make I'm going to go back and make an effort to watch those The three ninjas made me want to do martial arts as a kid. I watched so much ruin the vhs Save I was about 12 when the first one came out and I enjoyed it I can't watch them so much right now. They don't really age well, but they were fun And they got worse as they went on like the first one is by far the best But it was like home alone meets like Ninja Turtles almost in the way. It was that was a really fun film Rainbow does wing chung. What is kfh? I might have missed the early part of that. What is kfh? Easily it the man movies for the guilty pleasure. Oh, yeah, tell me more about that one because I want to watch more it man stuff Paper tigers. Yes paper tigers was fantastic guys If you have not seen that yet that movie was so fun It had the perfect balance of humor It had the perfect balance of heart the martial arts were great in it. The choreography was great That's a fun one. I would definitely go recommend that one. Oh, oh kung fu hustle. Yes. Yes I would even say it's not even the guilty pleasure just so much as a pleasure that one had a good story to it And it was just all around fun all around fun and had a decent production value to it Yeah Black dynamite is in Michael J. White. Oh Yeah, okay. I like him Yeah, I need to go watch those How do you like crush and tiger hidden dragon? I know that was directed to someone else I was expecting more that that was one of the films where I didn't know anything about I'm like when it came out in the theater I was like, you know, let me go watch an actual traditional kung fu movie See what people are into I wasn't expecting the wire work and the flying and that was weird to me And that might be one of the things that was so jarring because I was expecting More grounded martial arts. I need to give that one a chance again And I know there's a sequel I need to go back and give that a chance again And maybe I'll like it better now knowing what it is and I I have more of appreciation now for a lot of films Like that the night day when I was younger. I know more I've seen more and it's been long enough I want to give that one a second chance American Ninja 2 Those were I don't know if I can go back and watch those I saw those as a kid They were They were funny Or they were like in a cheesy way So, yeah, there's a lot of great A lot of great suggestions here blood and bone. Yeah As far as the it man movies the mainline series is good. If not realistic, it is good It's there's a lot of concepts in there and the choreography and the way they film the fight scenes is very engaging So I will give it that and like I said before Donnie and I think it's a spectacular martial artist He actually really captures the role well, even though it's not historically accurate It is they are still fun to watch the point like I am going to go back and watch number four Um Never back down red belt. I like red belt. We did a synod ojo on that Um, it's not my favorite one, but I thought it was pretty good for what it was Never back down is another one. I have to go back and watch So, yeah, okay, so there's a lot of great suggestions here So I think it's good to have our guilty pleasures because you know We all find our own different values in the martial arts and you know, it's we draw We know what we're going to draw from sometimes it's based on the art that you're training in Sometimes it's an actor. Sometimes it's a story. So yeah, a lot of good stuff right there. Um, Let's see Let's talk about the way martial arts are depicted in movies and that There's a lot of key differences that audiences will pick up on. There are so many movies that portray martial arts It's such a Unrealistic way and those that are realistic and I think there's um merit to both ways You've got films that I think if you're going to do a film that's a serious take Like you're really trying to get the audience engaged on an emotional level Um, like to identify it with real struggles and real characters. I think you have to go to realistic route You got to be careful a lot of the jump spades off and the fantasy moves and all that because you might lose your audience And that's why I think the crotty kid does so well is that if you watch the crotty kid That there's not a lot of fancy martial arts in there like every single move people do in this movie You can conceivably do like in the few months training in karate Like they're all front kicks around because they're basic techniques for the most part But then when you watch like the remake that with it with jade and smith It's all there's wire work. It's it's high flying It doesn't really fit the story so much because it's not believable that a kid's going to learn that level of martial arts In a month or two So I think if you're going to take the approach of a realistic character driven film I think the martial arts should be a little bit more grounded. So I'm drawing more two realistic techniques Um, but even movies that are choreographed and taken themselves seriously There's a lot of stuff you got to watch out for in terms of realism and I think one of the main things is everybody in these films these action films can take like an Numerous amount of hits like they're taking 30 kicks to the face. They're getting back up and wiping your lip. That's not very realistic You know, most people can only take a couple if that And you know, the one man army is also another trope. There's a lot of tropes out there My personal pet peeve and I know why they do it But like especially in kobra kai kobra kai does this a lot They're to me is an overuse of the crescent kicks in in martial arts films Those are not easy moves to pull off and especially in a real life fight It might not be the best move to pull off unless you are an expert at them But you see it so much and in the kobra kai series it seems like in every fight scene somebody's doing a crescent kick and I think one of the main reasons that is it's an easy kick that looks fancy But then you can still see the actor's face, you know, a lot of spinning stuff, you know That's how you hide stun actors and and you don't always get the action But a crescent kick looks good on camera. You see the actor's face. You get a facial expression It's very cinematic and it's in its nature But realistically, I don't think you would really see that many crescent kicks in a real life fight So that's one of my little pet peeves Beverly Hills ninja with robin shoe and chris farley is a blast. That really is a blast And I saw that right off of Mortal Kombat. So robin shoe was fresh in my mind Guilty pleasure teenage mutant ninja turtles. See this one's interesting because here is a film That is a gimmick and it is fantasy But the martial arts are portrayed in such a Fantastic and gritty realistic way at the same time They're not there's not a whole lot of wire work if if any at all at least in the first one It's got a very gritty feel and you've got these outlandish characters Pulling off realistic looking fighting techniques. I think it's an interesting mixture Because that movie's got some real grit to it. It's dark and it's It's it's it's a very serious tone, especially for a children's movie I don't know but the martial arts and especially with the fight again with shredder. It's not it's violent I mean those turtles got the weapons out. They're going for killing shots Like Leonardo was swiping with that sword. They're going for killing shots So I think that's kind of an interesting mix where you have such an outlandish tale They could have gotten away with so much martial arts wise But it felt more realistic and I credit that to pat johnson a lot of his movies were like that Including Mortal Kombat that his fight scenes were a little bit more realistic Whereas robin shoe The choreographed and directed his fight scenes which did a lot more confluent wire work. So I love Observing and looking at different style choices like that and seeing the direction fights going because with martial arts You could do so much. I mean you can go in so many different directions And I do worry that I've talked to people and the thing is like I think martial arts we have to caution Ourselves on is that they portray our movies portray martial arts in many ways unrealistically And I had a viewer just a couple weeks ago telling me that he learned all his martial arts from movies I'm hoping he was just really young But he insisted that he was learning karate for movies and not just like not like instructional videos like By watching the karate kid and watching the Hollywood films He thought he was learning and he was standing in the ground. He thought he was learning the martial arts So I was trying to let him know that You know, there's a lot that's left out You know, you can't just watch a few movies and know a martial art any martial art Whether it be MMA or Brazilian jiu-jitsu or karate or Keppel or anything Just by watching a few Hollywood films and I think that's a real cautionary tale that Sometimes movies make martial arts look different and better and cooler and unrealistic and You see that a lot and Thank you again, Mike awesome kickboxer for Sasha Mitchell showcases plenty of arts. Yeah, it does I don't think I saw number four. I saw the first couple I I think I saw one was he's also part three. I believe I saw that one I love them on best of the best wasn't my favorite show But I do love the episodes where he did the martial arts in the show. That's also kind of a guilty pleasure What was I going? Oh with the cautionary tales is sometimes there's unrealistic expectations I was training with a guy back in 96 or 7 he was a guy in our class we were teenagers And we were talking about doing lessons about you know defending yourself against multiple people And he looked at me. He goes. It's not that hard. I'm like, what do you mean? It's not that hard. He goes all you have to do is duck and he'll hit each other and he wasn't joking He was dead set serious and I'm like No No, and I know a lot of movies portrayed it that way, but no that's not realistic You can't expect to duck. Yeah, it's possible if there's a big brawl going on people are gonna hit other people You know buddies are gonna hit each other But you can't expect to just duck and have the two bad guys knock each other out that is not unrealistic And I also have a distant cousin who felt the same way He would him and his wife would go out in dangerous areas in this downtown Detroit and that was his Belief too when we warned him like you don't want to go there. He's like, oh, don't worry. I'll just I'll do the duck So I think sometimes movies cast an unrealistic expectation For those who have not trained in the martial arts So that's the only downside I see to having martial arts and films is sometimes People who don't know better don't know better and if they try to emulate what they see they can find themselves in trouble So you mean step by so he's in two three and four. What did I say? I thought I said step by step. Did I not So Sasha Mitchell was in two three and four. I think it's nice. I think I saw two and three. I didn't see four Um Street fighter's assassin's fist. Is that the that's the fan made film, right? I've seen part of that That is excellent. The bar is always excellent. The last samurai was amazing. I love that film and I definitely my guilty pleasure That one I I would I went into that one with very low expectations, you know, all I knew was oh, it's tom cruise doing a samurai movie Okay, this is gonna be fun, but it really was it really was well done and it's it's a hard it's a hard watch And they they I kind of credit them for the bravery they had making that movie So I actually was pleasantly surprised with that film That could have gone wrong and cheesy in so many different ways and it was handled in my opinion I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who probably take exception to it. I'm probably finding inaccuracies with it But I thought it was told very respectfully. I thought it was a good pace and it was a really good Heartfelt realistic film. I was pleasantly surprised with that one Steven Seagal choreographed the movie the challenge I didn't see the challenge but Steven Seagal, Steven Seagal is an interesting mention because like I said when I was younger I really liked this stuff I stopped watching him when he started he started doing wire work and I don't know if he continued with it I saw a company. I think it was the glimmer man around that era He started doing some weird wire work and the combination between that and him never getting hit anymore It lost its lure allure to me like I'm like, okay This isn't fun anymore And it's just like he's just standing there doing less work and the movies are getting more and more mundane His earlier stuff was better and that's kind of when I started to drift away from his movies And that's when I started finding movies like Jackie Chan and and more dynamic finding styles Only the strong only the strong was good. I want to go back and see that one again as well But I remember liking that one Jackie Chan's who am I was great the raid. I've seen the only parts of those I didn't care for sidekicks too much. Um, I thought as a kid. I saw trailers. I'm like, I went to that going Okay, it's a karate kid ripoff. It's really not it kind of is it kind of isn't that one wasn't my favorite Jet Lee is awesome And uh, psych is rapid fire showdown a little tokyo. What's showdown a little tokyo? I'm not sure that one Challenges before became popular. So it's one of his early films. Okay So, yeah, so let's see. Let's go into the next topic. Let's talk about I want to talk about what do you guys think about There's we definitely seem to be in a trend right now with action films with older stars Like the people we grew up with in the 70s and 80s still doing these roles Like you've got Stallone and Schwarzenegger to some extent, but like Stallone is Like the example here this dude is like 70 and he is still doing his stunts. He is still Moving like a guy half his age and with him I don't feel like I'm watching a 70 year old like he can go run and jump and slide and do a role And I just buy it at no point in my mind Do I question? Why would he be able to do that the work? He's on a rocky like he is hardcore And I think he's a great example and you've got move guys like Liam Neeson and Jason Statham And a lot of these guys would get it up there in age, but they're still pulling off these roles So what do you guys think is this a trend that's going on or is this just We can't let go of our favorite our favorite guys growing up So is this in the salvaging or do you think that we're in an era where we're showing that? Yeah, the older guy can still fight, you know We don't just stop losing the martial arts at age 30 or 40 that you know if you keep training and practicing The more you put into it the more you still are able to do So what do you guys think about that because I'm actually really enjoying this all fun Yes, is another good example Daniel Craig. He's starting to get up to a little bit Jackie Chan He's definitely getting up to an age. He doesn't move like he used to but I hope I'm moving like him at his age, especially with all the injuries he's had I like that the older guys are bringing it. They're absolutely bringing it Kung Fu Legends continue that was fun. I that's I would say that's a guilty pleasure. I watched that growing up Wrong So what's going on? randomly, yeah Fist of a legend with gently gently. I haven't seen too many of his films just a few of them Roadhouse was fun. That's definitely a guilty pleasure so Yeah, so I'm liking I'm liking the older movies and Jason Statham even panderas is getting it on it too And there's a new expendables coming out. I love the first expendables. The whole concept was great Let's take all these 80s action stars and let's throw them together in the movie And let's kind of do a spoof slash homage age and act Aging action movies Or 80s action movies and I thought that was such a fun ride Didn't care for two so much. Three was kind of fun. Let's get to the point now They're almost kind of becoming their own trope like they're kind of becoming what they're making fun of But I still find it fun. I still think it's great to see some of these guys coming back in Billy blanks. Yeah, I like to watch you Billy blanks a lot growing up The answer karate says if they still got it, they still got it bill Wallace may be old But I wouldn't want to fight him. No, no, he's definitely still got it And um, it's funny. Did you guys see Billy blanks when when Cobra Kai season three came out? Billy blanks teamed up with Netflix or YouTube or whichever one did it And um, they actually has a Cobra Kaibo It's basically a full taibo lesson in the Cobra Kai dojo. I thought that was so funny Um, such a great way to market that and um, it's a it's like a 40 minute lesson It's an actual taibo lesson that he's doing in the Cobra Kai dojo from the show So I thought that was funny and there's another one Uh, that's the Miyagi Dover version. I forget who's in it. It's more of a peaceful Tai Chi type yoga video I haven't watched that one all the way through but I thought those were such great ideas so fun to do Wesley Snipes and blade. Yeah That's what I like about that like blade another one is There's a lot of fantasy in that but blade And and let's just like it's nice in general The way they portray him and film him doing his fight scenes It's almost like you can feel the impact of his strikes when you watch demolition man um Watching demolition man when he hits the other actors like they're very sharp and they're very deliberate And there's a brutality to it and in blade and I don't know if it's just a sound mixing or the way they film the butt I love watching him move and fight and even though it's a total fantasy film The moves themselves feel grounded and they feel like like they're you know, he's got an elbow guy in the face it's really going to hurt them and That's kind of like the best thing about blade that I watch is just the fighting It gets weird sometimes, especially when it comes to the swords and you know, it is vampires So there's only a certain amount of realism in there But there's something about the choreography in the way that Wesley Snipes moves that I really enjoy it And I would actually hope you know, wish we'd see more of that if you're still able to do it Uh thoughts on John Wick movies. Is martial is it martial arts or an action movie? How do you define it? My personal opinion. I think it's um it's a It's a martial arts movie. Let's let's not beat around the bush. It's got a lot of action to it, but at its core the story goes just deep enough to justify the martial arts and that's fine I mean, I'm totally fine sitting there for two hours watching Keanu Reeves tear it up because he's bringing it and He puts so much work into his roles. He puts so much training. He doesn't just show up and walk through the motions He puts so much work and dedication and effort whether it be the gunplay whether it be the grappling You know, he went and he learned martial arts for from the matrix and he kept with it so John Wick is a martial arts film And that's pretty much as deep as it goes that says only as deep as it has to go And I'm happy if they keep making them because so far the first three have been really really fun to watch Back in the guilty pleasure. It's like you just want a really good impact high-paced martial arts film That's a good one to go with Thank you. Once again, Mike appreciate it. Billy and Mike blanks teach free karate the orphans. Do they really? I did not know that that is awesome. That is awesome. Scott Atkins is good. I just recently learned about him I've seen a few was I've seen pieces of his I've watched some of his interviews really really talented talented martial artists Some with John Wick's moves are Kemplowish. Most of you just do yeah, there's a lot of grappling and that's I love the grappling Because he's not he doesn't just do a throw and turn to face the next guy He'll do a throw Or he'll actually struggle with the guy He'll like kick out a leg and the disruptor bounce then do the throw and then stumble and go to the ground with them and then fight on the ground and the guy is not just laying there It doesn't feel choreographed. There's a real struggle like the guy's really trying to pull his arm off And I love that intensity because it puts so much high stakes in the moment That I think that it makes me invested all that much more versus just trade off trade off I block you punch, you know back and forth where it's obviously choreographed to me A lot of the John Wick stuff doesn't feel choreographed. It obviously is I mean the weight the precision the rolls the gunplay of course it is but it's it's got such a flow to it That I think that's one of the best things about them is that it's it's high high high fantasy martial arts in certain ways But it feels so realistic the way they portray it and like I said, I could just watch them all day keep doing that So, uh, I I enjoy the 80s jack-o-chan films like drunken master. Yeah, I've seen a couple of those I've seen a few as older films. I have a collection. I've been putting one on every now and then to go through You guys did you any of you guys ever see uh, what's it called enter the fist? It was a spoof back in like the late no the very very early 2000s like 2000 2001 That was so bizarre I had to laugh at that I don't even know if I'd call it a guilty pleasure because that's not really one I would watch multiple times, but that was such a weird film And it just reminded me because you know a lot of the 80s Kung Fu movies that I think they they spliced footage in um It was such a weird spoof. I don't even know what to say about that. I'm just curious what you guys think The Kyokushin trilogy I have not seen that So let's see what else um So when you guys watch martial arts films like what connects you to the movies? Are you looking more at the story like how the art might be portrayed? So you have a movie like like the perfect weapon that really gets into The meaning behind Kempo and a lot of films that do that they get behind the meaning of the art Do you are you drawing more to that or do you like just watching people kick butt? Are you drawing to a specific actor a martial artist movies that cater to specific style? What do you like? I personally I like seeing a mixture of stuff. We we grew up. I mean karate kung fu taekwondo was always on that That was the go-to go-to fighting styles in the 80s and 90s and Um, I'm liking that we starting to see branch out like you had a keto with you know kickboxing you know with van dam and Steven seagull, but I'd like seeing a lot more Diversity now we're starting to see Wing Chun in there a lot. We're starting to see Uh grappling in there a lot a lot more stuff Jiu-Jitsu and and and brazilian jiu-jitsu is coming up. Of course. I'm amazed. There's a lot of those movies coming out um, I love seeing New cultural Uh applications of the arts because you know, we saw the same stuff growing up, you know the same, you know karate if you're gonna do karate film like like um Kurobe kurobe kurobe Get that out That was one. I've seen pieces of that I really want to go watch the whole thing because I think I like it when They really put emphasis on the style or on an art or in the fine style like the focus is doing martial arts In a realistic way again. I've repeated that a few times. That's just my personal go to A good it man film portrayal by by denis to Call the legend is born. What is that? I'm sorry This there seems to be a lot of it man movies coming out now Which is which is cool and they seem to be very different from each other So when I'm done with the it man series, there's there's other ones. I want to watch but um Man, tell me what you guys think on that So what are the tropes that you hate in martial arts films like what is it? You cannot stand what they do I've already said, you know, I I think that the Crescent kick is way overused um I think they make it too easy to pull off someone's spinning moves or When a hit that really should do that much damage knocks a person out That drives me. That's where when a person gets knocked out and they stare They're out for like a half hour and they snap awake, you know If you miss after that and they're ready to fight again, that bothers me. That's not realistic at all So what do you guys think what I hate the one punch knockouts? Yeah The one punch knocks someone out. I mean it can happen. It's not very cinematic But sometimes movies make it look too easy to do it um And it's this is even extends past the martial arts because this this is actually a really personal pet peeve of mine Something makes it look too easy to knock someone out A movie like lord of the rings, which is kind of weird to bring it up in the martial arts film But this one always jumps in my mind There's a scene at the end of lord of the rings, uh, the first one fellowship of the ring where the The or the the orcs are trying to take the ring from front or they're all fighting at the end And the orcai these big massive beastly creatures are coming after the hobbits and they pick up a rock And they throw it at them hits them in the helmet and they're just falling back like they got shot by a cannon blast I'm just like How is a hobbit going to throw something hard enough to hurt a beast of that size and also they're wearing armor And they're just they're just knocking get knocked out like they were shot That kind of stuff drives me nuts and the vice versa too is You have it where a character takes like can take a full blast strike to the face with a metal pipe And they just turn her head and wipe the chin. No that jaws across the room somebody's not getting up after that So I I don't like that. I know there's movies that are fancy that can that can play a role in it, but Your average action movie that's trying to portray a serious story when they do that That that loses me a bit the easy the too easy of knocking people out or you've got people who have like iron jaws They're taking chainsaws to the face and all that and they're just like, okay, that was a good shot. No, no that's that's too much So what else what do you guys think? The movie's called the legend is born and it has a son ipshun Oh Interesting I hadn't heard of that one. So the legend is born What year is that from is that a recent one or is that from a while back? Kuroobi portrays the differences between gojiru and shodokan nicely. Yeah Like so I've seen parts of that one. That's I've got a list. I've got a long list guys so I'm gonna be If I wasn't making youtube videos, I'd be watching more of these but Yeah, batman begins brought us the yes. Thank you great great example That was my first introduction to the kc fighting method Batman begins when I first saw that before I watched the behind the scenes I was immediately enamored at His fighting style because it was very different than what we'd seen before and it was such a great choice I mean, you've got the kc fighting style, which looks great cinematically And I do believe they use it for jack reacher as well but it makes a lot of sense at least systematically but It makes a lot of sense for close quarter combat and for a character like batman to utilize it He made it look brutal And it flowed nicely and it was something new. It was something different. So I definitely love it when I do things like that Is kc still a practice system? It is I believe it goes by a different name now. Is it the fence lab if I'm not mistaken or is that something else? I've looked into that one just a little bit. I do believe kc is still top at them They they have retooled and they've they've changed the name But it is still around moulin. I love moulin the animated film. I didn't care for the live action one as much Um, I don't know what you guys think about that. I I love the moulin disney movie growing up um, I thought I had a lot of heart and animating Animating marshards is not easy because it's one it's harder to animate those moves and You have more ability in terms of style. I think for to make animated marshards work You have to really pick a style aspect and go with it and kind of really commit to it You can't be passive on that it's not it's more than just doing a stunt work You really have to integrate it's the animation animation style But the live action moulin The marshards were great and the action was great what bothered me about that movie was actually the story that The original story moulin was a whole point of this girl who could stand up and prove that she was part of the team That it was it was a group effort She wasn't just some girl that's gonna sit wayside to be a homemaker that she had the capability to fighting like anyone else Whereas the live action film went back to the whole one-man army sort of thing So that teamwork aspect was it was a little bit But then it went into whole thing of moulin taken on everything by herself And that kind of lost me with that and I kind of thought it lost the spirit of what the original one was Um, that's just my own personal opinion. I'm sure a lot of people would disagree with that So Yeah, so let's talk about animated films. I haven't watched too many animated films. I do remember I want to say it was in the mid 90s the street fighter animated film My friend had that and I sleep over we watched it. Oh, that was so fun. That was so cool Anime really lent itself to marshards because they have such a flavor and such style and such an energy to it that it's The fighting only almost becomes a character itself And I don't watch a lot of anime in general But there's just the little bit that I've seen I really enjoy batman the animated series was pretty fun too They weren't complicated fighting scenes. They were a lot more realistic But they were smooth and they looked you didn't see cartoons do that a lot, especially not in america We had you had punches and you know just to cuss a bit But to see a character like batman perform marshards and ninja turtles even was on a similar Fashion it was really is interesting. But like you you just have a movie like that street fighter animated film I thought that was awesome. Like I watched that and it was just like The they would throw the punch like they conveyed such a sense of energy That it actually got me excited to get into marshards even more like I had just been in karate a couple years at that point It really made me want to go train The kung fu kung fu panda 3 really spoke to me mainly because I was adopted also I enjoyed the kung fu panda films. They were so much better than I expected when I saw the trailer I'm like, okay cheesy kids movie, but they were pretty fun I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I actually enjoyed watching those So let's see. So let's let's kind of wrap this up with one more question What remake or sequel would you like to see to your favorite marshards movie? So what marshards film would you like to see them remake or do a continuation of if you could choose today? my choices would be remake Probably I would have to go I would probably go with Mortal Kombat. I know they just made it again I felt a mess missed the mark for those of you who have not seen We did the synod ojo on the two comparing the two Mortal Kombat movies together the 95 version and the new version I didn't dislike it. I was very disappointed in it in the remake I think they could have done a lot better And I think it could still be done better remaking the story of the original game In a in that same gritty dark tone, but being a little more faithful to the characters and story and kind of going down that route I'd like to see that be remade again. As far as the sequel goes I would have loved to have a sequel to the perfect weapon I think that time has passed or I guess you could still do it but have him mr. Speaking to me in more of a more of a teaching role But I would have loved to see another perfect weapon. I would have loved I think the sequels they should take away are the best of the best movies Like the first one is great The second one is watchable if you just want kind of a B action movie Three and four were horrible to the point like it ruins the series for me But as far as a sequel I loved the ninja turtles movie the first one the tone the grit everything about it was perfect I would have I wouldn't mind another one In that fashion like I got excited a few years ago when they were making new live action films But what we got out of that was your typical michael bay garbage And yeah, I had high energy, but I didn't like the look of the turtles I didn't like the tone of the films and it just it was a little bit of a mess to me I didn't really like those so much But I would love to see a sequel a true sequel in the spirit of The original Ninja Turtles films even if it's a reboot of a story wise But that tone like they they made the costumes work the lighting was gorgeous The fighting was was great. The story was fun And it's still hold like I still watch that movie the first turtles movie holds up So I wouldn't mind seeing another one of that quality too was okay I mean, I love to as a kid. It's okay now can't say on the third one So I think they could definitely do better with that So let's see last dragon sequel or remake Like the base of what I saw from the trailer like could definitely see them bringing that back I would love to see another movie at least in that style I think they really committed themselves to going with with with a look and an energy and like just a little bit I've seen I'm excited to watch it So I'd like to see remake of drunken master. Yeah, there's all I think a lot of those movies Could do well with an update So let's see best best I'm trying to think of another one. I wouldn't mind seeing a sequel of You know, I've got my mind on perfect weapon. I would love to see another perfect weapon I think that'd be kind of cool. Let's see. I mean they did they rebooted bloodsport and they brought back What's his name? Van Damme back into it in a different role. I wouldn't mind seeing the sequel the perfect weapon with just speakman Maybe he's the head of the doger now. He's got a young student with a hot head like him and he's got a kind of Remember what he was like and kind of teams you could that could be fun. I could definitely go for another one of those I would appreciate a more recognizable Kempo moves in perfect weapon two Yes, although I know they really did a lot of dramatization But there's actually quite a bit of Kempo stuff you could pull from if you watch the movie back the first one back in slow Motion, there's a lot of techniques you can pull out and you see a lot of where he used techniques as a base for some other maneuvers But there's quite a bit in there. There's some What's grasp of death or grip of death is in there. I think reigning lance is in there Five swords I think is in there somewhere and you've got long form four and six mixed together at the beginning with some Gojiru sequences So there's definitely recognizable Kempo in it, but I would I wouldn't mind seeing more Um, I didn't watch street night and from those that point on his movies kind of weren't as good I mean perfect weapon was his best one by far And I'm I will admit I haven't watched a lot of the later ones. Just I watched his first few And the stories weren't quite I kept was waiting for another perfect weapon and just never came Um mortal combat scorpion's revenge. Yes. Yes. That's also on my list. I want to see that And there's I think a new one just came out. Is it a new a new anime? Mortal Kombat film came out, didn't it Billy jack a lot people are mentioning Billy jack I don't think I've seen that one to be honest Street night. I liked him. It was bad. Yeah street night was pretty bad and They kind of went downhill from there I really hate to say that because I like him a lot and he's a fantastic martial arts And even even if you watch like the fight scenes of the movies There's a lot of Kempo in there But it never had the same foundation and root that the perfect weapon had like the perfect weapon was just the perfect Kempo movie It was just it had the perfect amount of fun It had a lot of action to it and he was fun to watch and it was nice to see the art actually featured At least respectfully in a film. So I would definitely like to see more of those. Yeah, just speakman was supposed to be in speed I have heard that I've heard him say that in an interview. I've seen that in other behind scenes articles that he I'm trying to remember exactly what happened that he was slated to make a movie called speed And it was a different premise if I remember correctly the premise was Instead of a bomb being on the bus and the bus couldn't stop He had to take the bus to different stops and there were different things that happened but There was a change over at the studio The script got sold something like that So another studio picked up and he got taken off the project and they got and they got totally retooled It became what speed is today, which I would love to know how that was turned out That could have been awesome that potentially could have launched him into a career You know like like Jason Statham works the loan or something like that had he kept going on that path But I think that was a bit of a raw deal because I mean Steve I mean speed is a fantastic action film It's it's great suspense and I'm really curious how they would have interwoven mars charts What did they have to retool for that to happen? so Yeah, I I want to see a remake of red belt So it feels like the story works out a bit better this time around it felt lost especially towards the end My thing with red belt. I liked it. I really like what they tried to do with it I just think they tried to do too much that plot is a little too intricate. There's too many moving parts for that to make sense and I don't think it does the concept of the red belt justice for those who are you know put me into the belts I don't like the way that was handled. I think the actors were great Um, the jiu-jitsu they showed was was well portrayed. Um, I think and I think bjj really deserves A really good treatment. It's such a beautiful art and it's such an effective art And there's so many applications that they could put in movies and well, of course We see it in elements like like john wick and such but I think I think bjj deserves a really good film red belt. I thought was a good attempt, but I agree with you. It could be retooled. It could be told better than the way it was We make a game of death that could be fun. I could go for that Like see red belt sequel. Yeah, so a lot of different options. Um, you guys are throwing out some incredible incredible, um Suggestions I gotta go back and really make this list It looks like the last dragon is probably gonna be the one One I'm gonna watch next just this it comes up a lot and um Like I said, I'll probably do a Senadojo episode on that So, um, I think we're probably gonna end it for here for today Like I said, we're gonna we're trying to do more live streams We want them We want to do this engagement more often. Um, you guys are fun as heck to talk to you I'm I'm really enjoying these sessions. We can just pow wow bounce ideas off each other And every now and then I think it's fun to geek out over stuff like this So I have some homework to do So if yeah, if you guys want to see these the Senadojo episodes When this when this episode publishes I know youtube's got a process for a little bit when it when it publishes If there's any specific movies you want to see done as a Senadojo episode and maybe even an angle like what you want Focus on go ahead put it down below in the suggestions or in the comments and I'll I'll take a look at them I think, um, I definitely think the last dragon is gonna be one. I have that one requested a lot So that's probably going to be the next one and there's a bunch. There's a bunch So, yeah, leave those comments down below and I thank you again guys so much for joining us I know it's a little bit later in the evening, but I really appreciate you jumping in This was really fun. Thank you so much for just kind of geeking out for a little bit We'll do this more often and I hope every single one of you has an awesome Halloween if you've got any plans Please be safe Have lots of candy. Have fun. Thank you guys again so much. Really appreciate you and we will see you again soon Have a great night everyone