 Alright, I went live so we are Live, let me bring up a OBS on my end. Hello everyone and welcome to my life and another anime podcast for this week We're a first gonna be talking about guilty pleasure animates Which there's a lot of different definitions of that apparently and then after that we're gonna be talking about cyberpunk So we will warn you before we spoil the dog shit out of cyberpunk We can't wait to talk about cyberpunk edge runners. So that's what we're gonna do Joining me this evening is the director of undying games Owen Owen. How you doing? Hey mongus. Thank you for having me here. Pretty good. Thank you. Excited to talk about these topics today For sure everybody else East as well And then we also have twitch streamer youtube content creator just creator extraordinaire dapper dice. How you doing dapper? good morning everybody and I'm interested to see what comes up of this first half of the conversation Then we have just all-around good dude with a great beard the Viking Jedi Thank you for having me. I'm also equally excited to see how this conversation goes I'm wondering if we're gonna get any like, you know, spicy arguments like we did last week, but I hope so I hope so too. I'll find a reason to pick a fight with you man goose. Okay. Awesome. That works for me All right, so For guilty pleasure anime that there seems to be three interpretations one was just straight up Uncensored titty anime people people were taught Felt that that was a guilty pleasure anime The other one was what I found interesting I and you guys pointed out yoke again Osoma or food wars as a As a guilty pleasure anime, and I finally realized it's an anime about guilty pleasures I was like, I never even thought anybody would interpret it that way quite literally Yeah So and then the other one would what I was thinking is any anime that you'd kind of be guilty to let people know that you actually Enjoyed but uh, let's uh, let's start the show as we always do. Oh, and what do you've been watching this week? So this week I was actually finishing up, you know the seasons last episodes I finally finished watching high school of the elite second season finally Watch the last episode of overlord, which I'm very excited to see what's gonna, you know, come up next And as a matter of fact before we started this I actually watched the last episode of this season of It's a wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon, which is Probably one of those titles that will come up on this subject So, uh, yeah, I mean it's been a it's been a pretty busy week for sure in the animal world Dapper guys, what do you've been watching this week? Nothing as of this week though I just was thinking back to one that I have watched and ones that I do need to finish Not to do with guilty pleasure in any capacity, but one that I do need to continue watching is spy X family Yeah, I'll just be a bandit here soon Exactly, I do want to catch up before that and I also need to be ready for I'm also planning to re-watch my hero because season Six is coming out this month along with Something I think it was jujutsu kaizen's also coming out with something this month, too Or was that demons layer? I'll think deep as this one thing October October, I think it's jujutsu then. Oh, isn't she I didn't know I didn't know season two of jujutsu was coming out that soon I thought I thought when we talked about it two weeks ago like hey, by the way Don't forget to watch this because something's coming out soon. I could be wrong though. There's a conversation there because that's Firmly believe that my hero and jujutsu kaizen are very overrated enemies, but wow that was our last week's conversation I finally found something a subject where I probably the Viking Jeve is kind of I'm picking a Viking speaking about King Jedi. What about you? What do you what do you watch this week? So I actually because Owen wasn't here last week He posted in our group chat like his list of like, you know What he would consider like top anime from this these last like, you know season of anime so I took a break from the list that Mingyu's put together for me and Jumped into that. So I finished a comma a got kill which was I think really really good That's from the Mingyu's list But then I jumped into classroom of the elite which I had not watched before and I watched I binged it I I love that I watched I watched all both seasons like in I think yeah I think it like a day and a half maybe It was awesome. So so a big one there and I just started this morning Overlord which I've I think I've gotten through five or six episodes so far see so I've watched the first season season for a month. I'm on season four Yeah, I apologize if I said that wrong, but yeah No, so I took some out of the out of the Owen pages this week to To try and get some of those but I'm excited man I've never had this much anime to look forward to watching so Every time we start this show you guys mentioned another one. I was like, oh shit I still need to catch up on that. I need to catch up on that one And so there's just not enough hours for me to be able to play all the games that I want to play and watch all the anime I need to have like something plugged into my brain while I'm sleeping so I can like consume stuff You know what I mean? You need a BD so you could just live it all Matrix or something I don't know but yeah, so those have been my anime. What about you Mingus? What have you been watching? Huzuki's coolheadedness which was suggested for by a viewer for the 1010 animes. It's really funny I've really been enjoying that finished off over Lord finished off licorice recoil, which I know Owen fucking loves that one And by the way, it's licorice. I don't know how many content creators I've seen pronounce it licorice and that like or call it Lyco Rico It's like how what like I can understand mispronouncing some shit But they say licorice very clearly it's very clearly licorice, but they say it very clearly the show licorice recoil Fucking light. Anyway, yeah, I'll get mad about dumb stuff. That's what I do I mean fair when something's that obvious. It's it's fair to be a little People just make such a blatant mistake. You know what really grinds my gears But uh, let's move on to these guilty pleasure anime the fans Guilty pleasure animes the ones that are people sent in was Midori days heavens lost property Dragon Ball which kind of surprised me Yeah, Yori. Now, you're you know, yeah Rukuchan High school DD Chobot's high school of the dead and a death note, which is another one that confused me But they did explain that they felt it was like pretty damned edgy So they were a little uh, but they still they still really liked it and it is an edgy anime But yeah, I think death notes um Very good anime. I wouldn't be guilty about watching death note at all So that's those So who wants to start off who was the who wants to talk about their guilty pleasures? I mean, so I don't mind starting off or letting one of you guys do it But I do want to also point out like one of the definitions that I kind of thought of because I kind of agreed with all of the definitions That were presented that I could see you know guilty pleasure fitting into all those categories. Sometimes I would think like with my list It's like would I be you know a little like weird? Maybe if my grandma watched in Well in general I would still like recommend it to anybody who watches anime anyone who wouldn't you know Maybe know what's going on or expect it would be like, why are you watching this? That's a little bit weird And so for that reason I like even though I wouldn't stop watching it necessarily I would probably be like grandma you don't want to watch this like Like I was little is I started watching Precisely this is this cyberpunk anime and literally five minutes. There was this scene where I guess You know 18 plus is seen that if someone just walked into my room is gonna think that that's what I'm watching Yeah, so I Think that's part of it for me is that it's just like you know Taking that into consideration as far as my quote-unquote guilty pleasures Well, I have no real guilt about any of these anime or anybody else's choices in anime I can see like you know where maybe people would be a little On edge if someone uh that's not familiar with anime would walk in and be like why are you watching this? Yeah, that's that's kind of how I took my take and then my other take on it was um ones that maybe aren't like Like mainstream, but I still find enjoyment from them like you know I don't not that I wouldn't recommend them to other people or say that I like them But they wouldn't be necessarily like you know the hero academia's the or the neruto's or whatever like where You can recommend that to almost anyone and they're probably gonna be okay with it Some of the ones that are more like what I would consider off the beaten path that are Maybe not something you would expect from a guy who's six foot two 240 pounds and has a beard would watch Um, you know something like that. So that's kind of how I took it was guilty pleasures, you know I mean that that's one of mine is slow loop, which is obviously targeted targeted at seven year old girls yet Like it's a cute little anime about fly fishing and uh, yeah, here. I am a 40 year old man. Just watching the shit out of it Loving it He's basically me with Gabriel's dropout, which was the one that I'm like he's supposed to find him is that I I will not get paid enough to uh To basically say that I like it, you know, but you're one here right now telling the world that you like Gabriel's dropout I haven't seen that one. I haven't seen that one. I haven't seen it Pretty funny. So Gabriel's dropout is about this archangel Gabriel, right who is supposed to be top of the line best angel of heaven and basically, you know, perfect scores perfect grades whatever gets sent to Uh, to earth to kind of start his you know their their project and as soon as She arrives to earth She just becomes a bomb like literally she does nothing She You know gets a computer and the first thing she meets is an mmorpg and she becomes Neat, you know all she does now is a statement and you know just play mmorpgs While you know eating, uh You know chips and drinking alcohol and living everything like completely messed up While lucifer who's the opposite in heaven goes to hell I mean goes to uh earth and then it's the opposite right and it's it's a little bit funny because This is just a simple school anime, you know, where where these angels and demons go to school To try to learn about humans and it's just a funny overall anime where these two hate each other but love each other in secret Uh, by love. I just mean like they have a really good friendship, right and it's just a very funny Funny funny funny anime. I mean, it's just that's the only way that I can describe it. It's just for for the chills, you know Uh, Deborah guys What's your what's your entry? um when it comes to the One that I would consider most my guilty pleasure anime is monster misune. I believe is how it's pronounced I totally butch it probably but um, you know, obviously there's a lot of ecchi in in that anime Um, but it's grandma would love it, right? God, no um No, the reason that it's on that list is one because of the ecchi is like, uh Probably not going to show this one to everyone. I know especially other anime fans But I do like this story because uh, it does tackle some Some definitely heavier topics about accepting who you are how you fit into the world You know, some people questioning their place like this is what I am This is what I hold, but is this right for the environment that I'm in So there's a lot of like mixing those things where One of the characters is really proud to be what they are but being what they are is a problem for everyone around them So do you change who you are for the people around you? Or do you just tell them to accept it and then you don't change? So, you know with conversations like that and because obviously There's monster girls and just monster people in general um There's like well, you're not Human Why should we care about you? So, you know you get into the the heavier topics there and that's what got me into it It just happened that there's that you which also got me into it But if you guys are it's that specific reason that yeah all of those If you guys are unfamiliar with monster misumi, you may know it better is everyday life with monster girls I definitely watched it for the today's It's pretty it's actually pretty good. Like it's an enjoyable anime Like it's one of those like sort of uncensored titty animes that actually Draws you into the story and you can enjoy it if There was ever a time that I wouldn't want somebody to walk in on me watching that one It's when um the harpy girl has a phone stuck down her fucking the front of her shorts And she's like because she's kind of a lolly and she's like Getting off of the vibrations and it's like I would not want somebody to walk in right now While watching this because then they would think I'm into fucking little lolly girls Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen it in a while, but yeah, there are definitely moments where I'm like, you know, maybe even I could skip this Scorched maximus monster misumi was the first anime you ever watched Well, welcome to anime everything only gets better from there That's pretty intense that is pretty intense. I like that I do agree though. It is one of those kind of guilty pleasure anime right like I for me I had to stop watching it because sometimes it was just too much of the I mean it goes into one of mine as well like food wars Like I I love a lot of aspects of of monster misumi with like the story like dapper was going into It's actually a more It's like a deeper anime than I think people would would give it given like, you know If you just watched the intro for the first 30 seconds where he's being crushed by a snake that's Obviously enjoying it too much. Um, a very attractive snake, but which is weird to say It's yeah, it's definitely one of those that you maybe wouldn't recommend to people unless you know them really well That that's not going to be something they're going to look at you weird for after Um, but yeah, I could see being your first anime is pretty rough though That's like having a high school dxt be your first anime. I'm like Speaking of by the way, the immediate response has started off with that and then went to dxt So that's great. You you went horizontal And what would you enjoy here's a weird thing that they do against it in monster misumi that I seen them do in several Several animas is like this whole Thing where they stroke the tail and then like it gets them off But that is so weirdly suggestive like yeah, like why am I supposed to be enjoying this because I don't Um, it's it's definitely one of those more interesting ones because it's like why would that even make sense Why would you not? Why would you leave that? Yes, arachnia spider girl best girl. That's what I said. Yeah, I'll in that one I think spider girl is the best girl, but uh, I didn't watch a few times people prefer spiders I didn't watch a lot of it I think I stopped like because again, it was just one of those things where it's like I couldn't watch it with like my daughter came home or something like that It just was it would just be a little too weird. Um, but I definitely Can appreciate it as a guilty pleasure for sure. Um, mine was uh, I already mentioned it Well one of them I have I have four total but one of them was uh food wars And I think a lot of people could maybe See why like I think overall it's still a good anime, but it does It's moments where again my grandma were to walk in. Um, you know, and I try to be like no No, no, it's about the food and how beautiful It's tasteful. It's tasteful. Yeah, well, it is Right that that first one with the peanut butter and squid combination was uh, really set the tone for what you're gonna get yourself into if you watch food Where it's um, but it is a good anime, right? I feel like it's got some good Oh, it's a great anime It's it's it's really funny in parts where it's supposed to be funny It's serious when it's supposed to be serious like it does a lot of things. Well, it's animated very well The okay not just for the uh for the for the tits and ass the food Dude, okay, so I watched this one to start with with my daughter and my wife and The moaning and groaning part was weird, but man that food looks so good That was the the best drawn food of any anime ever. It makes you hungry It makes you not watch this anime if you're on a diet. All right No Or before you go shopping for food any because you will buy You want to make everything that they're making like it just looks so good. And um, yeah, it's pretty pretty cool In fact, I actually went on to a few youtube channels after that to where people were making the food That was showing up on the anime and trying to recreate that and it's like But I ended up learning a lot too. Like it was actually kind of cool I didn't really know that much about food or foodology in general And so I don't even know if that's word foodology, but I just didn't I don't fucking know it sounds smart though I Still you have food in that title you continue That's probably one of mine That would be a little a little odd. Maybe if someone were to walk in and not know what was going on Um For mine, I'm going to a bit of a different route here And I want to talk about and we I haven't brought this up in the discord or anything But I did put it on the thumbnail ariforeta um From commonplace to world's strongest from somebody that Hates the standard isekai stuff ariforeta is the most basic bitch Fucking isekai bullshit 13 year olds goddamn power trip wet dream goddamn formulaic Asinine goddamn anime, but I fucking loved both season one and two of it And I'm a little guilty about that because i'm feeding into this isekai Goddamn madness because it's not even a good isekai like macho cutense good isekai re re zero Good isekai there are good examples of isekai out there ariforeta is not one of them, but I Goddamn loved it and i'm a little guilty about it because i'm perpetuating the isekai I know it doesn't really matter much what the american audience watches it matters a lot more what uh Japanese audiences watch, but I just feel that i'm contributing to To the fucking isekai fad By enjoying ariforeta, but god damn it. I can't help it. You sell out. You sell out I feel like a sellout. I can't believe this because you used uh, you know For not being original Yeah, exactly exactly Because a very good beginning right it begins with this character who just decides or not decides really that is betrayed by Basically his classmates and gets left behind to die, right? There's literally just a handful of people who Really care about the character and by that I mean like maybe two people everybody else don't give a crap about him And he just has to survive through hell like getting his body parts eaten by monsters And you know grow to a point where he is like extremely strong, right? Even stronger than anybody else So you kind of root for him because he's such in such a deep hole That you just start liking the anime and just start watching it, but aside from that Then it really is not that good of an anime just because you're really good for it Like yeah, that that's so original that the character has to defeat various monsters and then gain their abilities I've never seen that in an anime before. You know what? I mean, but god damn it. I loved it. I loved it I love that anime Add to the list Mingus I will say one thing I've seen in ira fureta that I've never seen in any anime is uh A giant iron dildo getting rammed up a dragon's asshole. I've never never seen that before in an anime Good. That's why he liked it That's why I like that. No that happens like fucking well into late into the sea into season one, but Uh the only the main thing that pisses me off though is he goes with like the little lolly girl Like that's his main squeeze even though he has all these perfectly hot fucking women all around him throwing themselves at him And he's like no, I want this fucking nine-year-old like Oh, no, she's a vampire that's lived fucking three thousand years. No the fuck she's not she's nine I'll care Moving on who else has got one who's also got a guilty pleasure anime they want to talk about I mean I'll go for it go for it defer Yeah, I don't really have many guilty pleasure anime is one because I don't watch as much anime as I might come off as Um and a lot of them I you know, I'm proud to show my friends but I mean Two that I did see that were interesting as as we were rotating through the uh panning anime beneath us One was dragon ball, which I guess I can understand. It's it's long It's it's arduous and there's a lot of campy comedy in that but one that kind of caught me off guard I saw a beyblade in there Yeah Huh did someone say that or did you just find that I just threw it in there because I think you should be guilty if you Enjoy beyblade. Oh my god In that in that case I enjoyed the anime when I had beyblades, okay It was cool as hell and the games were fun Yeah, how how old were you when you had beyblades? Uh like 12 13. There you go. There you go That's like picking on somebody who still enjoys pokemon or yugioh or any of that stuff Like you can't get mad at somebody who enjoyed an anime as a kid and still Still 10 years old pokemon still back That's what I'm saying. Well beyblades are kind of cool. Like I mean there's nothing wrong with a beyblade I think mingus is just a dickhead I just think anime like that. I think like dragon ball and the ruto Beyblade pokemon whatever it's all basic. It's like the basic It's like your fucking starbucks and goddamn candles and so if it's basic you should be guilty of it No, I mean like it's fine. It's fun to enjoy some basic ass bullshit But just admit that you're a basic bitch and that you like basic Wow Well, we found the argument point for today Geez If it's not Unless it's some title that's 17 words long or one word long If it's neither of those it's too basic and you should be guilty of it because you don't want to dive deeper into anything That's what man goose is going to die on that. I just that's one of my pet peeves Those when somebody like tells me how much they love anime and then I ask them what their favorite anime is And they're like dragon ball. I'm like what all have you watched dragon ball Like don't tell me you love anime when you've watched one fucking anime, you know what i'm talking about Probably not even all of it. He has a point there though. No, and that's perfectly fine Yeah, that's perfectly fine Especially if they haven't even watched the anime because you don't watch all of dragon ball. You don't Nobody's watched all the dragon ball. It's impossible Might as well say you've watched all of one piece Yeah, I can't see through that I do agree with that point though If that's like the only anime you've watched or similar and that's the only anime you've watched then to me That's like you're like the bro of of watching anime. Like it just doesn't it doesn't Doesn't do anything for me. Like, uh, I'm not gonna like shit on you and tell you that it's a bad anime I just don't think it's you're not really an anime watch here If that's just like I don't think like if you say oh, I'm a gamer and like oh cool What games do you play? Oh, I play madden or I play NBA 2k or you know like, okay? Do you play anything? Oh, no That's just it. I'm like It's like angry birds Yeah, you know, yeah, don't tell me you're a gamer and then tell me some fucking phone game. That'll really piss me off Fortnite mobile. Yeah, Fortnite mobile version. Where are you playing like Evelyn mortill not so long ago? No Yeah, I fucking didn't like it. That's for god's sake. You did not he was bitching and moaning the whole time Oh, we're we were recording for for beta males for that and we're like, all right Well, let's like, you know, see how far we can get into it And like you like he started off okay with some of that because the voice lines were pretty cool And like he was excited to see some of the characters and stuff like that And then as we got into like the gameplay gameplay. He was just complaining the whole time He's like, god, I can't wait till we stop playing this and get this shit over with There's too many pop-ups man. There was too many pop-ups. It wasn't great. I'm just fucking annoying He was so mad while we were playing like he really didn't want to be there Like he was really we had to hold his hand. It was pretty bad, but it was funny. It was good content One of the but back to anime Yeah, one of the definitions that was also given about guilty pleasure animes was like In the show, it's about guilty pleasures and giving into those or maybe trying to avoid those. Sure Um, I'm trying to remember what the exact name of it was But one that immediately came to my mind after hearing that one was like, uh, how heavy are your dumbbells? I believe how heavy are the dumbbells you lift? Yeah, great anime. Yeah, that's it. It's actually a surprisingly good anime. Um Definitely one where they talk about guilty pleasures giving into stuff like that because obviously it's about working out Um, it's it's not like the dude bro heavy lifting kind of working out though. It's like, hey, you're a beginner What can you do to get into working out? What basic things can you do? What can you do at home? What are the things to eat so stuff like that so you get characters giving into temptations like Today's a cheat day. Just like it was the past two days. Yeah So that's definitely a good one if you want to One zero basic workout routines, but two it's just a nice little slice of life anime Yeah, they do little cut scenes that actually explain the different workouts and explain like recovery and stuff That's got one of my guilty animes too was uh Satan Academy joined the pack. Um It's an obvious super Fucking obvious b-stars ripoff like Complete in total like I should not enjoy it Because it is such an obvious b-stars ripoff, but god damn it. I liked it better than b-stars and they do that a lot too little informative things about animals, which is kind of cute, but uh the anime overall was kind of cute and funny and I just I don't know b-stars was Maybe I was a was in the mood for that serious of an anime when I watched that But I was was in the mood for something kind of goofy and simple when I watched Satan Academy But I just really like they've got a like they talk about how koalas eat poop When they're babies they have to eat their mom's poop to get their gut their guts used to digesting eucalyptus Eucalyptus leaves. So one of the characters in the anime is a koala and she's constantly trying to make food that tastes Literally like shit It like cracks me up. It's funny Pandas are stupid Pandas are dumb dude. There's a koala Koala's even dumb Koalas I think are one of the dumbest mammals on earth and they have std's. They all have syphilis Yeah, no, but pandas are also pretty dumb. They can only eat one thing and they're really bad at it I don't know. It's also not good for the digestion either. Yeah, whatever. It's fine pandas are dumb That that's jenni dumb hot take for tonight. Yeah. Yeah So I put on one of mine and this is kind of like a slice his life and it's to me It's not really something I'm I'm guilty for but I definitely wouldn't feel like I'd recommend it to everybody unless I already know what kind of anime they may be like But it's my roommate is a cat. It's way more Of like a chill out relax kind of anime that's kind of cute and it doesn't you know It's not meant to be like a really in-depth or you know Intense anime like some of the animes we've talked about like especially on our 10 out of 10 list I wouldn't say it's a 10 out of 10 anime. It's a cute anime Like I think the other one that maybe people would put in there is like fruits basket So if you like fruits basket, you'd probably like my roommate is a cat. I didn't watch that much fruits basket So couldn't be one of mine But I know when doing some research people put that as one of their guilty pleasure animes was fruits basket And it fell into a same similar theme for me So I felt safe putting it as a guilty pleasure as one that I enjoyed watching that I probably Knowing the kind of anime I typically like wouldn't have enjoyed, but I really did enjoy it I thought it was uh, it was really fun. Um and and cute the cat was so adorable I'm not even a huge cat person. I'm more of a dog guy, but but uh, I don't mind cats I it's not like I hate cats or anything like that. Um, I've had plenty of cats in my life But it's just I don't know. It was just cute. It was fun. So that's that's my second add on We haven't heard from Owen in a bit. What was another one of yours, sir? um The problem is that I had already for example selected high school dxd here, right high school dxd is one of those enemies that I I don't know if shamelessly say I have like I have previously watched And I think that high school dxd has an amazing storyline That is inside The fan service, which is obviously one of the biggest things in that anime But high school dxd is basically about this guy who ends up basically fighting multiple gods and then you know wanting to uh Save the person who saved them, which in this case is Rios Grimory, which is happens to be a devil, right? So he's a ends up becoming a devil on her behalf to try to protect her, right? That's his whole story about it But he happens to be the biggest perv in the whole universe, right? But I mean, I guess that one right there would be one that I would recommend for the story if you don't mind fan service for sure High school dxd is really good. Um, what? Where it fell off to me is the is the moment that kaniko also fell for ise Because I love that all these girls are falling him kaniko is just so it was so aloof like the cat that she is The entire time and she would always call him out on being a perv It would never fucking was always busting his ass And I love that about that anime the second she fell for him Which is like in season two or season three that anime just went downhill for me because I was like, oh man Not even she's fucking fawning over him. I was like fuck that I want kaniko to be the badass that she was throughout the entire thing I kind of felt that same way with uh kami got killed the when uh Like the one girl the the tinier one whatever she she would also be given the main pumpkin Fucking gun. Yeah. Yeah. I I thought she was a great character And I kind of liked the same thing It was like she was of the main characters only one that was kind of keeping him Slightly at a distance and then and then they swept I don't want to give away too much of people Well, I guess it's been out forever. I can do spoilers It she switching around to them now being in love like it was like such a quick turn around to where it was like Basically like two or three episodes basically where they just made it to her all of a sudden This is the love interest that's going to happen and I'm just like Uh Like I just hated it Like it was like the characters were fine And just that whole thing felt so forced and unnecessary for the rest of it Like they could have just kept them on opposite sides to an extent while still You know respecting each other's teammates or whatever it is because they were more fun When they were bickering in in fighting about random nonsense Then they were all of a sudden becoming Love interests like that to me it didn't need to be there And so if that's similar because I didn't watch all of high school dd So if that's similar then I could definitely sympathize with that take because it's just like it's frustrating It's like you just let characters be the characters that they are like it's fine I'll have 100 agree. God damn. Um And then and we talked about that a little bit For a comic i kill is that's the biggest problem with that anime is the rapid Mood swings like the tempo of their mood swings and that anime is just terrible Yeah, otherwise. I love it. I think it has some of the best moments in anime and some of the best characters, but God damn it if it's it's it's definitely not a top tier fucking anime No, I think on high peaks and low valleys. It sounds like yeah It really does it really does and there's I think and there's not enough room in between those high peaks and low valleys It goes up. It's a straight down Straight down. Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. It's a good anime. Like I think on my list I put it at like a four out of five because I still think that there's a lot of For those exact reasons like there's a lot of really cool parts of it and the story itself As a whole evolves and and finishes up pretty nicely And so I liked it as a whole like I thought it was a good anime Definitely not like a you know five out of five anime But there's enough good things in there that you can almost kind of overlook the nonsense Like almost not fully But enough that you get through it and still enjoy there the the way that they tie it all up. So But that's that's going off from it cool dxd It's like nails on chalk chalk on a chalkboard every time you guys pronounce the x nails. Oh dude. Yeah It's there in the title. Did you not see it? And there's and there's just a pure awkward silence when you ignore it I Well, I'm glad I'm glad there is I feel like you're you're not saying it while saying it because you'll go like high school dd High school dd. No, no, that's how he said D. Yeah, you Yeah, you paused where the x was like you wanted to say it but you didn't say it out loud You just said it in your head and think about it every time now. Yeah, you're welcome It's weird. It's like it's like you were taught to read letters as they are Oh Um Another one of the animes that I saw while The animes were scrolling through Uh that I have no interest in truly watching but I've seen enough clips of to know why it's a guilty pleasure anime Uh ghost stories specifically the dub I threw that I threw that in there because of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if Viking Jedi are oh and either of you know anything about the dub of ghost stories Oh, just Watch some clips on youtube first Yes, please. So so so quick little backstory on ghost stories and why it would be a guilty pleasure anime Uh the anime itself Flopped in japan like hard flopped So when america got access to it, they said And a just have fun with this And they did They did It It sounds like it has a story in the dub But just some of the lines they oh my god some of the lines in ghost stories Oh, it's it's it's it's comedy does not trans uh does not age well I'll have to say at least on some of them They just dubbed whatever the fuck they wanted to dub in there and it is it's Fuck and it's the official dub. It's not like even like that's the thing. It's not it's not uh It's not an abridge. It's not a youtube joke. Any of the clips you find online are the official dub Like there's a little girl and there's a rabbit there the rabbit goes touch me She picks the rabbit up and he goes touch me harder Oh my god, they just made a jewish joke. Yeah, they make jewish jokes constantly throughout Yeah Humor does not Oh my god fucking ghost stories, man, holy shit Yeah, and in that rabbit clip she's like, oh, I miss his voice His demands touch me His little quips touch me hard And it's not like a like a rabbit voice either. It's like it's like a deep dude saying like touch me Touch me harder. It's oh, I love it so much. It's such a meme of an official dub So so that definitely if I had actually put effort into watching it I would definitely put that on the guilt Dark comedy every time they have workers like Like the one guy's digging and he says something to the to the boss the boss goes just keep digging that hole hole digger It did like a couple episodes later. Just keep carrying that board board carrier That's like a reoccurring thing throughout. Oh Ghost stories phenomenal Uh, I'd only want to watch it just because it's all I'm just watching some of the clips that you are just mentioning out right now Like this dog right here has a human face And he's asking who are you calling a dog and it's I like, yeah, I don't even think I'm allowed to say it. Well, we're Most most of the jokes that you would not be able to see It's good if you want a little laugh, but it is dark humor. So take that in mind All right With that being said, do you guys want to move on to cyberpunk? Just spoiler Alert everyone here and we can do a little bit with we can do a little bit without spoilers, you know But we're not going to linger on it for too long. Maybe like 10 minutes. Maybe Okay, so I am officially calling a spoiler alert right now for cyberpunk though because we will I'm gonna spoil. Shit I don't know what to ever say it You know, I just wanted to give people a chance like hey, if you haven't seen it go watch it Things look forward to but no we're right into warning. We gave warning that's fair. That's fair a weekend and some and uh Yeah, no, it's it's too good of an anime to not talk about while the the iron's still hot in my then I'm perfectly fine spoiling I just wanted to give people a chance, but No, they can have a chance. I mean I didn't finish my list. I still had kill a kill on there and uh Uncle from another world as my did you guys watch uncle from another world? I I don't know if anybody else watched that I've got about 34 episodes into it and lost interest Yeah, it's one of the current anime. So it's on netflix. It's currently going I think it's not quite done yet, but it's a weekly anime that netflix has been putting out Um, I thought it was cool I it's again one of those ones that I wouldn't have normally thought I would like but it does like a reverse Isekai kind of thing so her the premise is without doing spoilers because it is ongoing Is that the um Protagonist uncle was in a coma for like 20 years or something like that and while he was in a coma he was in another world and uh, basically living at what we would know as an isekai life And then he comes back and the the funny parts is like they poke fun The the nephew is like expecting all these tropes of what you would expect from an isekai Anime and the uncle does like the complete most boring opposite of it Like he was like he didn't do any of the cool. Shit that you would expect Like somebody who got put into another world had access to all these powers He does do cool stuff, but he doesn't do like like he doesn't fall for the the you know, um The female lead and he doesn't like get caught up in the politics of stuff. He's like very Boring and it's just it's really funny. It's a lot more clever than I think People would have expected given the premise And it's I don't know it kind of captured me a little bit So it's one that I'm really enjoying it's kind of again a guilty pleasure in a sense that I don't know if everybody would like it But I think it's something that if you Maybe like the idea of isekai's you might like this reverse isekai concept and Like he doesn't have a cell phone He didn't know what a cell phone was because he was in in you know, or like modern cell phones So he wanted a like a razor flip phone. Yeah a flip phone. Yeah That's one of the jokes because that was is that was a cool phone when he got knocked out So I don't know that's kind of becoming a thing now like the uh, the isekai the isekai enemies that try and Like subvert expectations as far as isekai go Like there was that one recently. I forget what it was called but like The main character's job was to assassinate people that came into their world from from like japan My god execution way of life the executioner's way of life. That's what it is. Yeah, like that first episode like Like she's on she's all nice to the kid and he's talking about Oh, I could introduce mayonnaise because that's like a thing that they always do is like Introduce mayonnaise to the world and she's like, yeah, we've had mayonnaise for a while But the thing is all these isekai people with all these crazy powers are ruining their world She's she's all nice to him takes into a church and then just out of the fucking nowhere stabs him in the goddamn face Like literally in the side of the head just Put it in that put it in the list and that sounds too fun. I would love that The first episode was good and then it just started to drag out I ruin my fun going. Okay. Don't ruin my fun. I was about to say I lost interest about six seven episodes in so I Well done the list now isekai and fantasy are my favorite genres. So it's I I give them a lot more I think uh, room to to run with I definitely like is the guys So my liquor is recoil first. That's the one that you gotta watch. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you put that I was like all right. You mean like a race 10 out of 10 animals like a riko I think yeah recoil That's that's next after I finish overworld. I think um Oh, no, no, I got a devil's as part timer season two because I've been waiting for that one for a long long time So I gotta do that one and then I'll do the licorice one I've got the one after that. I've got the one after that on your list. Okay, then you're watching You've got the recoil watch after like stay after the credits episode 13 Is the second time I'm mentioning it now I'm doing it live after the credits So what about uh kill the kill any problems with that one as a Don't understand why you listed that one as a guilty pleasure. I thought that that's a classic fucking I so the only reason why it was just because of the kind of extreme fan service Like again, if grandma were to walk in like, you know, it would be one of those things where it's like I couldn't explain myself even though like I think it's a fantastic I wish there was a season two even though it could be at my detriment Right because it was so good the concept the the world that they built was over the top and ridiculous and fun and I don't know. I fucking loved that anime. It was it was so so good But I can see it being kind of one of those You know mainstream but still kind of a guilty pleasure Like you might not you wouldn't suggest that to somebody who's never watched the anime before right? That wouldn't be the first thing you would introduce them to so I still kind of feel like if Again somebody who doesn't watch anime walked in and saw you watching kill a kill the real little eyebrow raise like what do you what are you doing? One problem I have with kill a kill was the fact that they had so it's an amazing character creation right character development Let's make these characters and then let's just go ahead and kill them all. Why not? I'm still this they cannot get over the girl with the lollipop I cannot get over it man. It's been so long since I've seen Kill a kill. Oh The redheaded the redheaded girl with the lollipop. Okay Wait, are you thinking of a comic? I think you're thinking of a comic I am in the wrong anime. You did not hear anything. Yeah, you're thinking of a comic I kill and I agree with you By the way, that yeah, that hurt one of the one that pissed me off the most And I wasn't sure if it was pissed me off in a good way or bad way like because Because I was I really liked her character for the same reason. I think that them putting that to The other girl and the main protagonist together as a romance thing also pissed me off And I was like, dude, she was kind of like the one who just said and spoke her mind It was just brutally honest in a fun way like, you know, she was a badass and they killed her often like Three episodes or whatever it was. I don't know Still good the way she went was kind of cool But just not that's a comic got killed though. They kill everybody. They really do it is what it is Yeah, speaking of spoilers I think by the same Uh studio Do they do the same studio as cyberpunk? I don't remember because I think they did the same Oh So I was trying to figure out what you guys were talking about You know, there's actually a definition for the girls that you guys don't like Right, it's called sundae, which is basically an objective. Oh, I like I like sundae girls. I don't like girls I'm fair girls who hate these characters and then later on fall in love with them. It's like they've always liked them They just don't show it. I think sometimes it's rushed too much though. That's the thing It's like it's sundae the entire time and then in one episode it flips on a dime out of nowhere That's the part that makes it like Maybe that didn't that could have gone better Yeah, but I I know I'm very familiar with that. I don't I don't dislike that character Sometimes I do sometimes I do when it's like Too much like just constant screaming and being annoying Uh, like what was the one the zombie one that that you what are you guys recommended for me? That was me. Uh, is this a zombie? Yeah Yeah, dude, literally in the first episode you have a tiny girl screaming at the main guy Like it was just immediate and like then she's living with them. I was just like what's come on, bro That's too much. I can't I can't deal so I got over that Like that's the that's the trope that I don't like that's the version of it that I don't I didn't I loved it in a comic. I kill I thought she was great I thought she was a beautifully well done character way more depth and fun than just being I'm loud and I'm upset with this main protagonist because edgy like yeah Well, that's the thing with this is is this a zombie is that it's all done to make fun of tropes Like she is specifically designed to be that trope and to make fun of it like right and then you've got later on You've got the one girl shows up with the huge titties and she's a a vampire ninja assassin and it's like That she um She has her move swallow return strike And she it's different every single time. It's never the same move like they that's what that anime does It just makes fun of tropes. Just like give it more is what you're telling kill kill is this Kill a kill is the same studio that did cyberpunk. Oh, no shit. Oh same as new panion stockings Kill a kill or a comic I kill Kill a kill. Okay Oh, and are you on board now with kill a kill versus? No, I'm just saying like I remember that the studio shared Something with cyberpunk and it was uh infernal cops, you know, uh kill a kill all done by studio trigger Which also did cyberpunk edge runners Nice kill a kill is the one where she uses half of a scissor as a weapon That sounds right. Hey guys first and their clothes give them Yeah, their clothes give them powers. Yeah for and stuff. Anyway, we can move on to cyberpunk now if we if everybody That's how we avoid that's how we avoid spoilers But oh oh Breaking news Season three was just announced for the devil is a part time Oh sick. Oh That is exciting, but I do see a little bit of spoilers. Damn it. All right, continue Well, since we're still talking about spoilers cyberpunk Yes, we're about to spoil the shit out of it. So if you haven't watched cyberpunk get the fuck out Yes, and then come back right after you finish the series because this will be Yeah, this will be an episode after the live So if you're watching this as a video come back right as you finish It's really we will be very insightful It was one of your 10 out of 10s, right? It was one of my 10 out of 10s Yeah, I think dapper enjoyed it a bit more than the rest of us. So dapper lead the way on the cyberpunk discussion Yes, uh, what this is an anime that I'm trying to show to as many people as possible. Um, and Part of the reason for it is I enjoy watching, you know, short form anime So this one being exactly 10 episodes is really good And it follows a formula that I that I personally like We're we spend a few episodes setting up the world. So that way if you didn't know the world You can get into it very easily. Um, a lot of it going into it I was typing the exact same message literally Incoming It does a good job setting up the world and then lets you be in that world for a little bit Then it ends the story, you know, it's a it's a small series. So you got to end the story somehow But with this one rewatching it, I'm noticing things that I never noticed the first time Which obviously you do with any anime But one of the biggest things that I did notice is there's this recurring theme of cliffs And taking a leap of faith. It's not ever explicitly said, but it's commonly shown So when you're in, um, David's hometown and leaving his apartment you see him jump off the The staircase onto the trash and then when he's in, uh, Arasaka center It takes that small step onto the road and then, you know, other moments later on where he's, uh Stealing the Arasaka equipment at the end of the series Right before he goes nuts Um, and there's the massive cliff right there at the end and at the very end At the very top of it all he's standing at the edge of Arasaka tower At the biggest height of his life looking down at his lowest So there's this reoccurring theme of cliffs and standing at the edge of them and stepping over that edge It's not something that you'll notice if you're looking through it the first time But looking back like you can see how much danger the situation is going to be in By what he's stepping over at that moment That's one of the things that I just wanted to point out right out of the gate I think that's very astute and I think that is a bit of the theme like He does what it takes to reach the top so many times But he always does just that little bit more to drop himself over the edge Just throughout the entire thing. Oh, yeah I I did not put that together, but it does make a lot of sense now that you're you're mentioning it. Um Yeah, it's I mean It's even stuff that like his his mom talked about what were him climbing to the top of the of the ladder Basically the corporate ladder That's very very interesting. I like that. That's a that's something I didn't pick up on so pretty cool Now something somebody said um when we were talking about 1010 enemies They they were talking about how much they hated cyberpunk and how they thought it was the worst anime Of of this year and I was very I was interested. I'm like, you know, why do you think that is and I understand his reasons I I don't agree. I think it's one of the best enemies of this year, but I understand his reasoning which was Um, they could have done a lot more with david But I think within the show within the confines of the show in the environment that he was in I think david made the decisions that a lot of people would have made in that particular, um In the in that situation the scenarios it was the decisions he made were were grounded um as opposed to your standard anime thing which would have seen him taking the um The sandivista is that what it was called the sandivistan Oh the sandivistan and like figuring out cool ways just to use that without gaining any other Um technology or anything like that. I think that's what we normally would have seen out of out of an anime But no, he just fucking he gets he's reached a height with the sandivistan The sandivistan whatever the fuck And he could have stayed high with that thing, but he takes it over the edge once again And starts adding more and more and just doing too much to where he's he's he's mired himself once again I think that to me that was probably one of the the things that I was disappointed about um, and and while again, I do kind of agree with you that the You know, it's he didn't follow the typical storyline approach to it or the the writers didn't I guess it's the transition that they showed right so, um again spoiler alert when the Boss of the of the group, you know dies and then he becomes like literally it's like, you know skip the The training montage now. He's the boss. He's got all these new upgrades him and you know What's in ed lucy are living together and they're in his penthouse suite Like, you know before he was still living in his old apartment that him and his mom had and weren't paying bills So it was like this sudden shift and jump to who he was as a character And all the new modifications that kind of threw me I was like, so maybe if they had done like a little bit of like a, you know, montage or something to build to that Um, I also thought it would have been cooler I agree with the critique that for him to because this is the thing I love that they built him up as supposed to be this super intelligent kid Like he was going to the school. He was getting all straight a's like despite his upbringing despite Like, you know where he's supposed to be in the status of life He was rising above that and being smart and being and whatever he was intelligent despite those things and I kind of was hoping that that would have Been more to the forefront and instead it just became I'm Going to grab all the power that I can and that's not in what I would think an intelligent person would do Like I would feel like if he's as smart as they portrayed him to be He would do things a little bit more intelligently and they never ever in throughout the whole thing showcases intelligence At all it's just constant constant power grab and I I just found that to be a bit of a letdown Why even include the fact that he's this super smart kid in the first place? Like why even build that up as a as a as a part of who he is as a character If you're not going to use it in some capacity, that's my gripe. I still think it's a beautiful and great anime That's just my gripe with it as a as a whole is I just hated that they just did that When they didn't need to and the fact that he just basically threw away lucy Like I hated that I hated the fact that he just foregone like all the the beauty of their possible growth for Obtaining this thing that he didn't need to obtain because he felt like he needed to save her and She didn't need to be saved like you misunderstood and and that could be into itself Like you know, that's just me now upset with the way he chose It still can be a good thing about the anime And the other part I just I I was bummed. Yeah choice. They were Let me say this real quick They foreshadowed the shit out of his intelligence Only to use it as a justification for offering him a scholarship to get back into the school Like that's the only payoff we got from Talking about how intelligent he was. Yeah, and that's kind of bullshit to me And that is completely understandable. I totally get all those grapes. What's up stormhawk? Spoilers spoilers here spoilers are being talked about Cyberpunk edge runner spoilers. Yeah, so yeah To the um to the extent of his intelligence and it not being as much of a role outside of the scholarship That was kind of the Points and obviously, you know, it's completely fair to Say, I didn't like that that they set that up and then it went nowhere But that's the that's what I felt the point was you you tell this you you tell the world This character is really smart. They're doing the best that uh, and they're they're incredible with what they have But then to do nothing with that shows that He's throwing his life away. He's he's not trying to use that. It's not that he didn't have it It's just that he never attempted to use it The point was for you to also kind of like he's the main character. David's the main character But the point is also to be like come on. You could do better And that's what a lot of the characters say as well That's what lucy tries to say to him throughout all of it. You could do better You don't have to be a cyberpunk. You don't have to be an edge runner. You could do more with your life I see I took it differently than that It's not even so much about like the the letdown of like, you know You have all this potential and you're not using it like which I get like and I think that's a that's a Fairly good story one that's been told before and in some aspects. I guess to me it was like this was just I feel like there's moments where like you can have intelligent Intelligence matter in his his decisions Even if it's like at his own detriment, right? Like there's they just never used the fact that he was a smart guy even while making mistakes Like or making choices that we wouldn't have wanted for him to make It's the fact that he was like this really smart kid doing It was like that it wasn't even like he was smart and making bad choices It was just that he was just making choices like they were instinctual choices rather than thought out choices and I don't know like you have like again to me if you're a smart person and this is just Humanity I feel like most intelligent people people who are educated or at least have some education or have natural You know intelligence You're not just going to have your base instincts be the focus point of your your drive like like it's just not This just doesn't make sense It doesn't fit what I would consider human nature and since this is a human nature show What makes it pretty and cool and interesting in the cyber world in general makes it interesting is that it exposes all natures of of humanity in my opinion They do it beautifully in the game and they do it good in this in this I just felt like they ruined His intelligence being a a part of who he was If that's the case you could have just had him be a punk kid Whose mom was forcing him to go to a school that he shouldn't be in like they didn't need to build that up at all They could have just used it as the fact that like she was spending all of her money To make him go to this school hoping that he would do well But no they showed him him also being really good in that school Like why why add that extra thing they didn't need to they didn't need to add that You know what I mean like that's why I take the grip That's like they just they had this really cool build up of a character and then I don't know I totally get it And it's understandable, you know, there are definitely I can definitely see why it just felt like it goes absolutely nowhere Be right back into the Lodge edge runner No, I I personally didn't finish this runner yet But one of the things that really got me was the whole scenery on which This anime gets placed that like the developers of this movie Really did their research well How would how would it be to have a futuristic studio like this, you know Or how people are able to like have different modifications within their body like Kung fu or like different knowledge depending on how much money you get you have all these privileges like Like medical attention like the moment the you know, the mom dies And the paramedics arrive into the scene and they go save her. They just let her die And it starts giving you hints from the beginning, right? They have a washing machine at home Yet even the washing machine that they already have Requires money to be to actually work. And that's the first thing that got me. I was like They need money for everything Everything in that anime says money is the most important thing in in this entire environment and Casuals everything around me. Yeah, corporate society It was it was pretty impressive what these guys did, you know Well, and it's also like the complete disregard of of life too like that Even the doctor who's sitting there. It's like in our current modern society Like they will do everything they can to save your life Even if you don't have insurance, even if you don't have the money to pay for it, right? You'll just be in massive amounts of debt, which a lot of people are in this country But they will they will do this stuff, right? Whereas in that world, they're like, oh, well, she didn't have the premium insurance So she died. We did well. I mean, it's not even that inherent either Like if you actually go back and see the scene she actually lives through the operation the first time Um, she's like, oh, she's gonna make it. She's stable. Whatever. Yep. We did the best we could with your Poor plan is almost exactly what he said like we did what we could with your discount plan And then we come back a scene or so later and it's like she she didn't make it like why well She just kind of gave up But hey, we've got a plan if you want to send her body somewhere And every everything has to be paid for and like both times She's like, there's a reason people pay for insurance. There's a reason people pay for insurance um and in in cyberpunk because because uh For you all and the people that worked on the game actually had a good hand when it came to the show as well So uh project cd. I believe that. Yeah, for sure. Yep. Uh, they had a heavy hand in all of it So you can go visit the sites that are in the show in the game, which is awesome. Um But that's why it feels so close to the game if you have played the game and if you haven't the show represents the game The game's world very well If nothing else, um, so it's a very corporate heavy society You know everything's you got to pay for it. If you can't pay for it Then you got to sell some of yours for it It's depressing especially because as mentioned when they're going to pick up, uh David's mom from a car crash. She's like, oh Not in in not not a policy holder. Just leave her here and then they just walk away As you hear david like mom. No mom It's it's got wrenching. Yeah Side note for anyone that didn't know, uh, david has the same voice actor as tanjiro in demon slayer No, shin in the dub in the dub I don't ever I'll ever watch dubs there. I don't watch American television. I look up Like japanese dubs for it and then watch subtitles for yeah, uh, yeah But but for the dub tanjiro is the same voice actor in demon slayer and uh cyberpunk so fun fact for the dub um Another theme that kind of goes without saying but is also explicitly said I think twice Is you know david's progression as a character and how he grows throughout it Um, so as we know when the mother dies he gets the jacket. It's a dope jacket by the way Um, and then when main dies he gets his arms because he called dibs on them earlier Right, which I found a little funny the first time I saw it. Um I was like, hey, I got dibs in your arms and then when in main's dying He's like gotta grab these arms And then gets out with them, uh, but You know as lucy says is like you're you're carrying someone else's dreams Why are you doing what don't you have your own dreams? And and later on in the anime we see david literally carrying those dreams with all of his body He's still wearing his mother's jacket. He literally has main's arms. He's not living his own dream He's living everyone else's and replacing himself with those dreams. It's sad to see for sure Again, we are spoiling edge runners right now if anybody just came in by the way A lot of spoilers right there out at the gate, uh, for anyone that just showed up, but um Yeah, it's interesting. That's cool. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good. Uh, but that's one of the things that goes Oh very much, you know implicitly that David's literally replacing himself with literally everyone else's dreams and then even at the end when he gets into Uh, the mech at the end. He's replacing himself with what arasaka wants Which is him to be in that mech And he loses himself throughout all of it all for other people. It's sad to see And not for the right people either No, god like as as lucy points out he could have his dreams He could he could live for her dreams if he even wanted to but he's living for his mom's dream and main's dream And they're both gone. So like what's the point dreams too almost like as lucy kind of yeah Yeah, and david even mentions like I don't I don't want to be a corpo I don't want to work for arasaka. That's not the life I want And yet when she dies He takes that dream with him when main dies a man running a gank He takes that with him. They're not healthy dreams, but he physically replaces himself With those other people's dreams and it's it's unfortunate to watch happen Um, I think that's part of the reason why like it feels like what I was mentioning earlier with In what uh, I think the guy who was saying that he didn't really like the anime I I don't agree that the anime is bad. I do think it's a really good anime by the way I I don't I don't have it as a 10 out of 10, but I definitely think it's like an eight and a half to a nine It's it's a really good anime and the animation the music is really really good Oh, yeah, um and the animation is is really really good And of course the world because of the video game is very very very interesting and cool And and I really love the universe that that cyber's taken But I think the downfall of David is part of the reason why it felt really bad to have such a dramatic shift And that's why I'm saying like for me it I don't even necessarily have a problem with like this whole thing of him wanting to the tragedy of his character living for the people that have passed It's that they don't really do a very good job of like I guess I don't know how to it's that like again from the moment where Where main dies and then they do like a flash forward. Basically. I have a problem up entirely Yeah, he's like he's all beefed up. He's got like a bunch more modifications He's running the show now. Like it just felt like it was just such a weird Hard dramatic shift of nowhere. Yeah, well, especially since when main died He was still a rookie as far as they were all concerned like and now he's the boss Like somehow he's gonna take over for any of the other character. I mean it is what it is Has happened in anime before it just to me that's I think because of that dramatic shift it it makes I never found myself rooting for him for him I found myself rooting for him for the side characters which all were for whatever reasons attaching themselves to him and I think that was what was still kind of, you know fun to watch is them Trying to pull him out of his own way in a sense and that was very well done I think it was kind of really cool and And beautifully done that you could see the love that these characters developed for him and he just couldn't Pull himself away from his own demise, which is cool as a story. Oh, yeah Even Becca who had obviously just embraced that way of life Still wanted more for david right And and that's again, that's a that's a very cool story. Like I don't disagree with the the decision to have him be I don't know. Do you know what it almost felt like that the transition from Game of Thrones from, you know, like the the season six denaries to season eight denaries where you're just like Who's this person destroying the world now all of a sudden with no context or whatever Like, you know the madness that is hey, we didn't say we were spoiling game of thrones We said we were spoiling For too long Same thing is spoiling a comic I killed dude. It's an old joke. It's like I don't care But yeah, the the start contrast, you know, again, it's supposed to be the point It's like who did who did david turn into who is this guy now? What what has he done with his life to get to this point and also goes to the point of You know holding on to main's dream main wanted a community that he could hold together And give everyone a shot so he gave up Everything else to focus on becoming the head honcho there um as for uh As for Everyone latching on to him, you know, they all do it for different reasons and some of them Never really do kiwi's a good example for that. She never really cares that much about david even at the end She doesn't care about david It's all about getting back to fair day. Yeah, um, but like People do it for their own reasons rebecca does it because she likes him and which is adorable as fuck by the way Lucy does it because you know she shared his dream with him And he took that in stride. He didn't like laugh at it like other people seem to have Uh in the past, you know, he took that in stride like oh, that's a that's a beautiful dream I'll promise to get you there You know, uh, so people follow him for their own reasons and You know, it's all individual Which is which is really cool. Yeah, um Uh scores brings up the comments. He wasn't a rookie when wind main died. That is true He wasn't a rookie but he wasn't exactly like second second commander or anything He was still kind of the new guy the lowest guy on the total poll and that's what I mean more like he was They over that montage of them doing jobs. It was still within a few months of each other Like it wasn't like he had it progressed an immense amount He was still a teenager basically out in high school or whatever like it's like and then they transition to after main dies to him being The the the boss of this new group basically that everybody's like, you know, rallying behind and they're sending rookies to him Like get the fuck out of here, bro Yeah, but main main had Obviously shown him the ropes before he had I just I I guess I take issue with the transition rather so much as the end result That's where I'm at They should have shown more of him taking over for main struggling with it a little bit They could have done a music montage like they did at the beginning of the show They did a great job integrating david into the gang through that montage of like, hey, I need jobs I need a job. I need a job. Come on. Give me something. Give me something And then you see I'm just working with the others even if it is small shit Like like giving the dude his hands and then that was going on a jog with lucy, you know They could I guess they could have done that and you know that might have made it flow a bit better, but Middev brings up a good point. Um Like just david just never really felt like he fit in and um Then when he realized it was unstable So he decided to use his time to fulfill the dreams of others But I would counter and say that people gave him plenty of opportunities to step back and and decrome a little bit Oh, yeah, like multiple times rebecca's like, hey, we're we're back even rebecca house Yeah, yeah, she changes her output like she changed like she There's a there's a small moment where she's like Where he was like, have you tried a different approach? She's like instead of hot headed and out there, you know dark mysterious and edgy as fuck Um is basically what she says. Yeah, and then later on we see her more of that soft connective person like Hey, what was that today? Are you sure you're okay? You know, maybe after this next job you you slow down on the chrome. Just relax a little bit So other characters and lucy does it too as well Like later on is like, hey, maybe we should slow down and take a step back from it all But david's at this point too far gone to the chrome that He's he's starting to lose it. That's what we start to see is He thinks he's so special that he can handle it all and he did Up until he was more machine than man and then he starts to lose it Which is you know something that's pretty common in that world Is just that he was always told you're so smart you're so special you can handle this you got this So we always took that as if I can handle it then why would I stop now? I mean, I think he only heard that message really from his mom, right? Was that that and then he heard it from his he heard it from his mom And then after using the sand devastated 10 times the first day he got it Wow, you can handle chrome that well even later on when he is chromed out His ripper dog's like dude You've got so much chrome and yet you're still going. How can you string sentences together? Then even at the end adam smashers like you are so much mech How can you say more than two words like even as he's at his finale? People are surprised how much he can handle And it was because of his cat compatibility with the chrome that they wanted him to Basically use that exoskeleton Yes Yeah, that's the biggest that's the biggest reason they gave him that uh scholarship bag is not because they thought he was a good student But because they wanted their sand devil stand back. So he could you because I was a test subject And he even hears that from tanaka, right? They don't even want to send a piston back. They just want him because he's obviously very compatible special, right? He's told that by everyone Uh, even like the characters never told them that like the the corporals never told him that he was special in that way Like he just he just assumed his own specialness because of his ability to use The the sand I can't say it. What I'm devastated. Yeah, um, yeah Yeah, but I mean no as they're interrogating tanaka and going in a brain dive into his mind He does say I brought you back because I see you I see something special in you He does say that I mean he definitely might have been saying it out of trying to live considering You know, he was chained up half naked to a bat to a toilet while his mind was being Uh searched for information, but yeah, but he does say that because he again He might just be trying to live but he does say that He's like I I brought you back because I see that you can be better than this and then david's like Oh, you're gonna use me And then he's tanaka is like, oh, they're just using you. Don't you see that and david's like, oh, but arasaka wouldn't either Yeah, but but I mean he's told it a lot more than just his mother But it's it's no justice for why he should keep going Uh, and eventually he says it himself when he's standing on the top of the arasaka truck out in the desert It's like I'm special. Okay. I I've been told enough. I just need to accept it Shoot the harpoon and then he goes grabs it Yeah, uh, but I mean, there's there's so much going on it. It's it's beautiful It is a good anime and the music is really good. Oh, yeah Actions scenes are really good back a best girl all the way. Oh, yeah, I disagree, but I can see why you would say so Who did you lose these best girl? Obviously. I'm not talking about hottest. I'm talking about best And still lucy still lucy. Okay I think so Dude, she she started she went back and put herself back into the dangerous situation by going into the deep dives Because she saw what they were planning to do with david and she and she couldn't explain it to him without revealing The the the danger because then he would have to he wouldn't He wouldn't be able to do something about it Right, he wouldn't he wouldn't keep doing the things that he was doing Which was at that point from her perspective small jobs or whatever and then He gets the offers right to do some of the bigger jobs where they the the political minds at play start to really reel them in Um, and she tries to prevent that in a in a I think a really cool way And she's she's got the cool hair. She's got the moves She's got the the weapons that are super neat I mean the other girl just yells a lot and shoots machine guns and never hurts anybody I mean, I'm just saying like it's like it's very very boring. Yeah, except for when she shoots them in the fucking head You know outside of that and then uh, when her big brother gets shot. She's like you fucker you stole that kill from me I love Becca. She was humorous. I don't think she yelled She didn't yell that much unless she was in combat, which I think is fun She was in combat or angry. Those were the two moments. She did it Yeah, he wasn't just a You Are not a Becca connoisseur like I am good, sir But she also grew from that like she didn't just she wasn't that hot headed short sac the entire time Like as mentioned in the latter half of the series she softens up She does care about david because even like the first time she interacts with david, you know outside of the job She's like, uh david my man and then she's like, oh, you're fucking adorable david because he's happy that he got a money like She always cared for him. It's just it grew as he grew because she Likes him, you know, that's that's pretty obvious But it's not something she's trying to do for like she doesn't like physically like him in that You guys said best girl. I'm not saying she wasn't a good character. I think she was a great Let's get that out of the way. I don't know why you don't like her. I didn't say You piece of shit I think medev brings up another another great point I think they tried to keep david pretty one note because his role in the show was to progress the story If he carries the story forward then everyone else has given the opportunity to grow It also lets people put themselves into the story making the main character more generic equals insert yourself into the story Which I think actually fits really well into the fact that it's um, you know Based in a video game world, right? Like, you know, um, which you become, you know through v the main character, right? And you have your story to drive I kind of agree in the sense that that maybe is what they were going for But I typically find that if you're going to be immersed in a show you have to feel like you are represented by the character and I I don't like to think of myself as a stupid person I wouldn't say I'm an overly intelligent person either but I have enough intelligence to realize how stupid I am Right, so that's that's saying something And I think david was supposed to be somebody who was more intelligent than he Then he got to showcase and not I take issue with I and maybe it's just a personal thing Like maybe it's because I'm a dad or whatever. I really hate it when someone has potential And and they didn't doesn't use it but that's the point. I was I know but it's not That's the thing is it's not even so much like he has potential in in his intelligence and then doesn't use it It's more like they just disregard his intelligence as part of his character outside of saying that he's intelligent And I think that's the part that I take issue with like they never it's like, okay He's this really smart kid and deserves to be in this place But they never actually showcases I guess like it's just but it's not even I don't know I mean he's given as as mentioned earlier. He's given multiple outs People try and get him that option. Ardisaka even tries to give him that option Like hey, you're intelligent. You can come back to school and he's like no, I don't want to This is the life I choose right so I get it again. I just I just don't like I don't like I don't vibe with you. Yeah, I don't like it for that reason regardless of why they chose to go that way And I guess if they were going to do that they could have done it better than they did in my opinion But that doesn't take away from how good of an anime it was still and it was a very good anime Tyrion Lannister in season 8 of game of thrones is this exactly 100% Tyrion Lannister is actually a really really good point Like they just like they take this guy who's like I drink and I know things and then they turn them into a Bumbling idiot in in season 8 and like it's like come on Fuck off I didn't really watch game of thrones that much to tell you Oh, dude, one of the best shows ever made seriously one of those assholes. It's like I read the books I read the books too and I Will tell you that it's like it doesn't cover everything in the books I know this is a side tangent But I'll say that they do a very very good, especially in the first six seasons Of of bringing that world to life in front of your face and the acting is Top tier dude. It's like Sopranos It's to me Sopranos used to be one of my favorite shows of all time It this by far unseat Sopranos because I thought Sopranos was beautifully done too. I mean edge runners Yeah, edge runner. I do think edge runners is actually beautifully done I I think and that's what I kind of agree with with min devs point is that like the side characters were way more interesting and fun than the main character Because I guess they were maybe wanting you to insert yourself as the main character and feel like that you the but I just never got that immersion Maybe I'm the one missing out and that's why I didn't enjoy that aspect as much as maybe somebody else would But I do love the anime and I would recommend it to everybody to go and watch it And which is why I also didn't want to wait more than a week to talk about it I do think it's a really really good anime. Yeah, I mean in the music again I'm going back to this music that first song I had me hooked dude. I was bought the fuck in dude that song with him walking out Just sailed it. I was I was hooked But I watched the sub but I watched the sub version by the way not the dub version a scourge book smarts Yeah, does not mean street smarts, but I think that they Showed that david had a fair amount of both right and didn't use either No, but there's even a there's even a moment Where they're trying to figure out How to get to knock at the second time And uh kiwi's like, oh, would you look at that? He was a he's a dropout from autosock academy And then main's like wait. No, you're a great a student What the hell as if you would ever be and then squeak kiwi's like no no no top of the class He had both. Yeah, he had both Um And did nothing with it like it wasn't even like he was setting up like intelligent like jobs or anything Like that's what I'm saying like if they would have used it Even if while he was being an idiot edge runner, that's fine. I don't have a problem with that But be the smart intelligent one not the one that's just like You know gullible at every chance to earn a fucking dollar like at this point Especially he's living in a fucking penthouse and he's acting like you know getting I played the game. I know I'm just saying anyway, that that that bothered me. Uh mid dev We did talk about those ones already earlier in the episode I agree with you uncle from another world was my guilty pleasure I think it's still a really good anime, but it was a guilty pleasure anime for me And I'm glad you agree with me. You're I'm agreeing with a lot of what he's agreeing with me about a lot He's a smart guy, obviously. Yes But you know back to rewatching giving you more insight on it like Uh, we go back to early on where lucy as I mentioned earlier again Like we see david putting on the dreams of others and lucy's like, you know, you don't have to do that And the first time you hear that, you know, it's like, oh, she's just trying to help him. That's kind how adorable Uh And then you realize she's talking from experience of being forced To live our sakas dreams, right? So knowing that the second time it makes that scene more impactful as well to where Mm-hmm to where it's like, oh, she's not saying this just to be kind. She's saying this from experience How depressing To say the least there all right Yeah, so Said everything I'm needed to say you guys want to start ramping it up There's one more thing I want to say before we end if that's perfectly fine. Yeah, that's good Yep, uh, they did cyber psychosis really well here Uh, and not from a perspective of the game, but just cyber psychosis in general It they make it sound like it's just oh, you're wearing too much chrome Oh, you're too meddled out, but it's more than just that it's the trauma from Everything leading up to that every almost every time we see david or any character Starting to go into cyber psychosis. We see flashback of traumatic experiences of when his mother died of When main dies of when he takes out as a bystander because of a psychotic breakdown Like we see him cut back to that too. So it's just The cyber psychosis was shown well as more of a symptom of ptsd More than just metal over the mind It just it doesn't mix well if you have too much metal and your mind's breaking down It just doesn't end well So I think they did a good job with cyber psychosis as well on this show Watch it even if you haven't watched it go watch it if you have watched it watch it again See what you missed the first time Of I that actually brings up an interesting point that I thought they did really well for for people who like Didn't play the game or whatever and I thought uh arcane did a very similar job to this like you can watch edge runners and get like They they sprinkle in the information you need to know about how the world works and the way things work And and the ups and downs of this world While not beating you over the head with it like it's not like you're made to feel stupid in a sense Like that you get a very very quick grasp of the way the world works. I feel like and and and I think that's intelligent writing and and animation to showcase those things You know, you basically would have to have your brain turned off to not figure out how all the stuff works And the progression of it. Um, which is I think is really really cool. Um, but yeah And my favorite scene by the way is when they fought the guy who was peeing off the the edge of a of a thing Such a dark scene, but dude, I it's such a dark scene, but it's probably they didn't really fight him. Did they? It was a fight explosions happened guns were fired people were killed people were very injured Very injured. Yeah Two people were decently injured. It's probably my favorite part One of my favorite parts of the show and it was that part in in particular I thought that like the whole like eyes Changing and moving around was showcasing. I don't know. It was just it was really really good scene I liked it a lot. That was probably my favorite scene personally But yeah, I am also ready to to to wrap it up. I actually do need to pick up my kid here shortly, so Uh, oh, what are you still there? I was still here. All right Any any fine, you know final any final words as we wrap things up tonight Not me Hi, there you go. Hi. I said everything I had to say about it I'm probably gonna continue watching it though. It's really good. I'm sorry that we spoiled it for you Oh, it's bummer. We actually said not as many spoilers are like expected in all fairness. Yeah We never actually said what happens at the end we hinted at one thing happening, but we didn't say explicitly What happens at the end? You know what owing can watch the rest of it and they can let us You can come back with a report card of our spoilers. Was it super spoiled like, you know spoiled milk Or was it more like tempered, you know? Yeah. All right jedi any final words any any plugs Uh plugs plugs plugs. No. Oh, I guess ftm most everybody who's probably going to watch this will know about ftm That will be on sunday live. Um, and I'm I'm excited about that I think this week is going to be a little bit of a lighter week for ftm Since nothing has happened yet yet, but uh outside of that, um, the I guess the only other mini plug I'll will give this is more of a future plug kind of like what dapper does I do think that once uh over prime or predecessor or both are out I will stream those because I think I'll enjoy streaming those games So um, you can I'll stream it on my youtube channel So if you're not already subscribed to my youtube channel feel free to there's not really anything for you to do there now There's some old vods that I did but uh, if you want to catch me live when those games come out I will be probably streaming those live. Maybe I can convince mangos to do the same at the same time with at the Maybe we'll see but uh, yeah, so that's probably my only plug. 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I appreciate everybody coming out Uh, if you're watching this live stream appreciate you watching the video if you're watching that and um I do want to remind people that anime is not what my channel is now a lot of people seem to think that I've abandoned everything else for anime This is just in addition to not um precluding but uh That is going to be the uh my life in another anime podcast crew signing off you guys have a good one Like a fun side piece, you know, that's all it is It's because it's the only thing with info these things Channel members i bloodhunter joe I'll mix for men blasters king raven So It's the kind of subject I'll throw that would be my favorite. I haven't watched as much is the guy though That's the whole thing is like see i'm i'm growing as an anime