 George Bruno with the 21 report. We're at the 21 convention the final event of the decade And I'm having a conversation with Alexander Cortes. Welcome. Hi George. Good. Good What a great speech. Thanks. Absolutely felt good. Yeah You flowed. Yeah, I never really know I I'm of the belief that you truly have knowledge of a subject or knowledge of this you inhabit that that you should Riff on it purely by instinct. So I'm not favorable to extensive planning that way Henceforth might even the watches my talks. It's very non prescriptive. Yeah, so but I never quite know how it's gonna be received either That's sort of like the risk you take right it's fun Yeah, the guy seemed to like it obviously afterwards. They got a lot of positive feedback and questions I think the power question was if you are the best in the world, that's something. Why aren't you getting paid for it? Wow? That I just saw guys kind of squirming in their seats You know because everybody's competent at something but not getting paid for it Yes, that was a well as you were there. I see witnessing it, but that was sort of the Let's say the final moment of my 20s, but that was sort of the transformational moment where I had a Ex-girlfriend that asked me actually get yourself good at this like I'm not making more money It was there. I almost look at that exact question. Yeah, I didn't have an answer to that. Yeah Yeah, and it was just one of those moments in time like, okay I need to definitely rethink that's just how I'm living life. Like what are my values? Like why am I in this position in the first place and obviously they can be taken to different directions in terms like your personal story What your character is, you know, why have I not planned? They can be very psychological, but I realized on this on a day-to-day basis that Yeah, money is a sort of a scorecard for whether you truly know how to present yourself to the world be valuable Be useful to people and if you're really lacking for that You know constantly or you're just in a position where you feel like you are you feel that you deserve more Okay, well you feel like you deserve more, but how come you don't have more then? Yeah, you know that could be self living beliefs that could just be this year general lack of care It could be a lot of things and that's that's there. I know for a lot of them today Especially with the role to begin the economy at large for a lot of them are sort of underperforming that area You need to work on that because that fundamentally comes down to all systems of self-worth as well. Yeah, self-worth self-provotion your own expectations except for yourself that becomes a very deeply probing conversation As someone who is reinventing myself for the third time in my in my life and also Becoming friends with you at that time when you made that transition and watching just having a front-row seat and watching this happen To you has been nothing less than amazing. How did you start? How did you how did you just like I? guess Alcoholics have to say I am an alcohol. Okay. What was your step one? I think step one was admitting to myself that I have had no clue what I have been doing for a period of time And I said this and you know the talk I just gave right for almost all my 20s really really like probably 18 to 28 Even like being a tanger. I never planned for the future. I never planned for anything I had I didn't have any force like that way of like I want to become this. I'd like to do that Yeah, that's why I don't consider myself like a good role model for like most qualities It's like I'm a good example of someone right I certainly devoted myself to something I wanted to get good at teaching. I wanted to learn the body. I want to you know master this domain of physicality But there was nothing concrete I could say that I actually was aiming for other than just the sheer day-to-day discipline of doing it which has its own rewards but You know also when you you know operate so devil may care You know the devil will come for you and that doubles yourself So I hit that point at you know at 27 where I was just looking at like okay with my life on paper Oh, I have this job But so I at least have a job right so I'm useful to somebody else. I got tons of debt. I can't afford to really do anything I'm trapped in this situation. I'm completely restrained by you know these subsequent limitations I haven't taken care of this. I've taken care of this. This has been a current correct problem for myself for a long time I've nothing ready to be proud of other than I could you know point to like a body of work Well, I've done this for people certainly. Okay, you know, what do you have to show for yourself though? I really don't have anything. I have a car that I'm late making payments on Yeah, the whole thing was it was rather this is a very very lame situation. Honestly, yeah, so yeah, and But I was at that point All that said I this needs to be reversed So I wouldn't very much in the opposite direction like okay I'm gonna go from not caring about money because I'm supposedly above caring. I'm beyond caring about that There's yeah, you're making amazing. I'm making excuses. I was making excuses I'm actually gonna start caring about money, but you know that conversation of going let's say from you know poverty mindset to a rich mindset That really comes down to how this is also Conversation as well before but how do you value your time? Yeah, then then okay, how do I value my time? Well, what value do I have the people like what route? I really have people. Why do people find me valuable? Then you have to actually talk to those people me and then you have to Align yourself make that congruent with how you feel about you what you think about yourself when your beliefs are Yeah, and hopefully you have an audience you have a market or you have people where you know with how they perceive you And hey you perceive yourself is hopefully somewhat the same same thing It's accurate what you think your values are and what they find valuable you hopefully that's the same thing You know how you might talk about the value of time. Do you believe what you do in an hour? It's worth more than the hour itself, you know the formula that I use for wealth over and over my Again again, I tell people's you can get a compound interest Obviously a power compounding you can get into solving the problems you can get to you can there's very many various definitions You can use but fundamentally Can you do something? It is more valuable than the hour in which was done and created That's those are valuable things if someone makes if we so makes let's say gold jewelry a ring something Well, this has value to me beyond when they first made it Yeah, if someone teaches you something that really solves a painful problem Well, that's that could be ten thousand dollars ten thousand dollars many dollars in value Yeah, a lot of you know what marketing is like okay I'm how we get how do we market a product and create demand for it and it's this big sort of like business Like it's not okay We have people and we need to put a desire into them or find out what they desire and if the longer they've been wanting it The more value valuable it's probably gonna be You know those things that you know we dispose of you know very quickly We don't consider that valuable at all those things that we hold on to those things that we struggle with that's valuable Yeah, that was like the mark mark the moment for fitness I'm like you finish most people's in the mint struggle feeling good about themselves And we go about their body feeling good about how people see them see them how they move all these all these big things I'm like that's really valuable like I should be making more You know, I should have more to offer but then if you're gonna offer more you have to clarify what you what you're offering Which then you go back and assess your own value and how you're defining it So it's sort of this is where it's your cycle to keep repeating And I'm not necessarily the mindset to say that like pure you know making money is sort of the highest good But it certainly will reveal what you're good at and it will make you better at it and that process once you begin it I can go in for a long time. Yeah, and whenever your particular Want level is that you want to? Perform whatever you want your livelihood to be term. I would choose a company I have her much money you want to make Find out what that number is that fulfills your needs that you can be hopefully somewhat happy at or content Yeah, and then like I said reverse engineered, you know work backwards from that process And that was a I mean that took a few I'm telling this now that took probably about three four years to like fully figure out Was that was that humbling for you very? Yeah, I Yeah, I'm known for being a very arrogant guy I don't shy away from the fact that I definitely have a presence that way that you know puts me at odds with people But at the same time I told anyone that anyone that knows me well knows this like I will take any kind of criticism It doesn't bother me to like to tell me what I'm feeling yet like they actually tell me I don't mind I know you know the personic oftentimes can proceed or people's presuming you're not receptive that like nobody actually tell me So I mean that was very humbling in that way since it was actually the first time in a while like people actually told me anything You know, but I also contrast that with like you well You can't tell me anything like don't tell me what to do But you like don't tell me how to act but do tell me what you think I'm lacking Yeah, which I think if you're gonna offer you kind of construct criticism towards people people never want to hear about what they did wrong Right, but you can always tell somebody that there's more in you I think I see if you start doing this you could even do more of what you wanted You know, that's a much better way to approach it. Yeah, I learned that through training people for coaching that Nobody likes being criticized that way like you messed up Yeah, so I fall like sort of John Wooden ball like no actually I see this and you that you could do this even better I know I know you've got this in you. Okay, and this you know this this thing you think you're messing up You're not really messing that up It's just if you take this quality that I know you have and you apply to that that will no longer be something that you feel bad I'm mistaken at or that will no longer be an area where you have to start with. Oh, it's a very very good way to reframe it And I think you know, we're also sort of being kind to yourself as well There's a certain amount of anger and rage and fire that you need to have as a man We're like somebody's good to hate yourself. I'm like how do I get in the position that can be entirely useful But you can't stay there either. Yeah, you want that to be a kind of it firm process Yeah, that's another way to go about as well You are a significant figure Especially in the past three years. It's up knowing you In the man a sphere the red-pilled world and you've seen it change you've seen it evolve What is your commentary on how you've seen things evolve? Well, the the man a sphere as I sort of perceived it when I I found myself in I guess around 2018 I guess like I'm part of this community now But I was not I was never with that guy that found it because like I was like strawberry girls And I need like a mucking leg and sex like that wasn't it it was I started talking about fitness on Twitter And then I serve, you know service discovered these ideas. I'm like, yeah This this sounds large in joy, but like truish like you're doing some basic things about behavior And then like there's a whole conversation dialogue I didn't rise really the extent of it until like probably like the 2018 like wow if these guys have been talking about this for years I mean like almost more than a decade but The you know the fundamental you could say issue with it was that it was all of it was women sex oriented So masculinity, you know being a man Let's just say yeah part of being a man is how you get along with and get what you want for women But that's not the entirety of what being a man is We don't remember men in history by having women they had sex with you know We always say like English count things con so he's the one can just con at a thousand wives. Okay. That's one guy You know how many people to Benjamin Franklin sleep with or yeah, you know George Washington, you know, you know Marcus Aurelius Yeah, I keep naming historical figures. You know her promise. Why I mean when they don't you know That's really guys anyway, honestly that like there's an element to that like man-to-man or like, yeah, it's gonna be confident Obviously it's sex. Yes, great. Cool. Yeah, we all women But there is certainly more to life. There's really more to a man's being so The mass beer like the inception of it, you know going up that's like it's like the message boards these you know forums You're dealing with like I would obviously say this punitively and I don't mean it to be punitive It's gonna sound punitive It's a bottom tier of men like it was men who really struggled so much at the sheer Active is trying to get a woman to hopefully sleep with them like that was there like they big life struggle like that That's not a high consciousness at all. Like there's there's guys obviously like yes I acknowledge that it's difficult But if that's the thing that's been crippling you for 20 years like you as I said like in my speech like you are blind to yourself Yeah, like it just so happens that we reveal that you know a lot of other areas need to work on them that so We've seen happen the man's beer prayed last three years that the conversation sort of mature like, okay Let's actually produce a more complete beast. You know to kind of quote Don Let's more produce a more complete man where it's not just game sex-focused. It's also let's say it's it's income It's it's your livelihood. It's your fitness. It's how you show up. It's actually it's your legacy It's what you want to create what you do. It's what you teach Let's throw all this together and let's actually let's talk about these individual aspects of it and then let's let's integrate it Yeah, and you've seen like there's been a resulting, you know conflict from that obviously Then also to like with all the I guess you'd say the red pill PUA stuff There's also certain orthodoxy that develops that I think developed and whether someone agrees disagree I don't give a shit. Honestly, you can disagree But this the sheer amount of rage and anger and you know, how dare this be spoken of outside like the context of correctness I'm like this. This is a bottom-tier conversation. Yeah, like I you know make it myself personally and you know Maybe I'm the national jet alpha. I'm like I didn't struggle to the level where I need to keep talking about I don't know what you know, hypergamy and in game and regularly stings for the next 10 years You know, hopefully you get to a point where this is not an issue for you You just are able to have functional relationships, right? Whether that be with one woman or that be with multiple like you just have relationships into your satisfaction If you spent 15 years doing that like you haven't probably solved anything for yourself, right? And you saw that I've seen that and some like the PE guys now like they're in their 40s And they've gone through this life cycle like I slept with X mouth chicks But now they are a point where like, you know, actually I wanted to be with one person Actually love is good. And then like love was love was like the dirty word like that everyone they want to use for a long time Oh love now like, okay, that's actually talk about people caring about each other. Yeah, that actually does drive most of what we do Right And there's also the fact to a lot of these guys are just lone wolves like they're operating You know, it's it's this them trying to pick up the girls. Cool. Great. It's fun Men don't create great things by doing it by themselves Most things we associate with greatness are actually cooperative efforts Even the men that we know as generals or war leaders like things that they led men into something It's not just them doing it themselves You know, you know, there's certainly exceptions, of course as there always are. Well, Hercules was one guy Okay, like you could there's certain logical exceptions cool, but those are also mythological figures They had actually had very complicated mythologies to them It wasn't just one guy taking on the world any of it was that was also an idolized form masculinity Historically men who accomplish great things they did it with other men together You know, it's not I talked about that in speech as well a lot guys there are They're uncomfortable making friends like there's no they lack fraternity that way to even be around men and having a personal conversation Like they're afraid of other guys almost like I want to be intimate that way or that's gay That's I've just never done that before I can't I have no closeness with other men. I'm like So you see you can't be intimate with women. Yeah, that's the say that's a big stroll You don't have to have no friends. I'm like, you don't know you don't feel good about yourself subsequently because you're basically apps with areas I'm like that's not good position to be in so I'll be active on a forum. Yeah, so you can be active on a forum anonymous forum. Yeah Well, well The 21 convention has evolved as well as the man is fear You've been part of it for the past few years. Mm-hmm. I Think you and I spoke I Think your first year was my first year. Yeah at it and you've watched it evolve What are your observations about how the organization has evolved? So I came into was 2018 so I mean the evolution of it has served Yeah, I can say so it's sort of in the evolution of both, you know Anthony as he's gotten older because obviously he's in the 30s now But it was just the change in the conversation with like sort of closing the decade where the earlier conventions Obviously they had that current of this game women sex great But then as guys got older naturally these men's you know all the times like okay Maybe I actually had competency in that area now what there's other things I want to improve on you know Also, there's this bit. There's been general There's been a lack of There's been a dearth of let's to say masculine energy in the world like yin energy like you know the men are in short supply now men with the capital M and As that's be as that has become more let's say culturally Relevant that's sort of risen to the top of the social consciousness finally I think that's created its own sort of market for like the you know twin convention world Okay, there's men they don't just want to talk about this area of life They want to talk about a lot of different areas so now we can actually like provide some leadership in total void a lot of the Conversations I have the guys today. It's not you know myself. It's anything girl game driven It's like it's worse personal responsibility. It's planning. It's you know telling them you know like learning how to struggle be brave Resiliency pain tolerance, you know certain this you know very short like fatherly brotherly sort of qualities you to try to teach the buddy You know the woman parts sort of a small aspect to that and I Found it's been my experience with both mentoring men and myself the more you define yourself by your masculine nature The easier else everything falls in place. Yeah, sir. You move your war you move the world around by the way you're being And there's not that need to sort of overanalyze and problem-solve it and so much Like you carry an energy that sort of does that for you and then you're also recognized as having your own sort of sense of personal Leadership you have a story of yourself that yeah people finally will respect Yeah It's interesting watching Watching you and your girl. Yeah, and There's a lot of people who never saw that side of you and I think it's inspiring that I honestly think that I hope so. We're all we're all tired of being lone rangers No, I mean I said, you know I said before like that you can't be afraid to love and you can't be afraid to have connection with somebody. Yeah, you know like It's this weird thing that that's why I came to odds a lot of the red pill stuff for a lot of it It's sort of like risk mitigation. I found like you're may getting risk for something that's inherently risky situation Like every relationship carries a risk You know if you're afraid of being burned that valley, they'll get into a relationship Or don't just have relations period or keep them at very much arms length You know the reality is if you become a little close with anybody, there's gonna be hurt feelings Yeah, yeah on both sides like it's not gonna be it's never gonna be a smooth scenario You might look that way externally, but obviously internally nothing operates that way Yeah, but you know the men I've known who have had who are successful with women whether it be monogamy or whether it just Be coming girlfriends. They're never afraid of anything. They carry no fear about them like well if there's a scroll it manipulates you Maybe she'll she might she might try I'm like yeah, but probably will happen in some of okay big deal Yeah, but they're also not naive either like that's the thing about being like sort of a dangerous man in a good way You know the more dangerous you are the more keenly where you are if you're a woman's ability to be dangerous back Right, so anything you could recognize at each other It's the men that were very naive, you know So sort of their own ability to be dangerous where they're always you know, they're always fearful Yeah, so you that's why I said you could have it's your like alpha red pill knowledge You're still a coward, right? You haven't changed them about yourself alpha coward. You're still fundamentally a coward Yeah, and you think you think you know things, right? Interesting. I think it's kind of interesting that you and I are Being looked at as kind of like the leaders of the 22 convention. Oh coming up Which is for women? Who want to be married? And want to be mothers someday and that the entire convention is going to be taught by men That'll be interesting. I'm gonna be what is your take on that? There's this idea in Grease an idea like I said The other conversation presentation I gave her like a gas Athenian like wisdom is a woman You know the sense that a woman provide contrast or building your nature, you know That said like you know wrote at the 22 convention like okay, it's gonna be women I think women are probably gonna show up just wanting to understand them better. You know, that's really the cover That's really what it is. Like I mean a relationship stuff like I'm not I'm not relationship expert that way But here's a great relationship. I do consider myself very insightful in fact like okay Here's what like a man is if you understand what a man is and then you can better understand yourself Hey, you can find some healthy contrast that you probably will see yourself up for a better relationship Yeah, now whether that's you know the short term long term marriage and like whatever But if you want that's why I see lacking for the modern world relationships. Like it's not it's not how should I say It's not the dynamics of like what the love is. It's just they understand each other Yeah, I've met so many women where they just don't understand men at all They're like they have no sense of like what a man's personality is what a man's nature is I've subsequently there's all these men understand themselves So you try to have these relationships where both people are trying to be equal to the other ones And how they're both like mimicking the behavior and everybody's unhappy. Everyone feels misunderstood You know or the other woman has to be the one that the count leads because the guy wants to be the more agreeable one Yeah, or he wants to hurt like you know be a participant all the decisions because that's supposed to do yes What do you want what do you want? It's like just chop and choose something Yeah, or you know, maybe sometimes, you know, she wants him to be abrasive Yeah, that's actually enjoyable to deal with the guy. It's difficult me on vice versa And there's a level play playfulness there Yeah, but where you end up with like show the modern day and Rodney where everyone's just like everybody else and they're thinking and their actions and That makes for very like low-tension scenarios that way. So like you don't learn anything in that kind of relationship. It's just yeah It is very like a transactional Yeah, whether you tend to be or not and it's boring. Yeah, then you have people were like they have no use for each other at all So hopefully 22 gun. Yeah, I think that's probably what I would someone thought it might probably get into actually think about it Like it was like the nature of man. How's it contrast that with women? What does this mean for actually like forming bonds with each other? I think That is gonna be a video clip right there for the it's gonna advertise 22 right there. I really think I mean that really You stated everything that I was thinking cool. Yeah, absolutely. That's gonna be awesome Sounds good. I think it sounds yeah. Yeah, it's interesting you you are a voice For your generation an important voice of sanity clarity and reason and You have not only young men looking up to you. You have older guys looking up to you I appreciate that George, which is really cool. Hopefully I don't leave you all the cliff. I Don't think that's gonna happen I've been telling some of my audience that 2020 is the year that they get unstuck mm-hmm How would you advise someone who feels stuck? That's a great. I'm actually gonna pitch something with that. That's actually a good question So so myself so there's actually there's three aspects of this There's three aspects of this and I think this work on a pragmatic level You have your you have your mindset. So well, I'm designing with Ed and a lot of more antenna goes He so we're designing like a course essentially that's gonna cover mindset How you think about yourself what your beliefs are you have your physical body which for almost everybody That's obviously a source of self-confidence General energy levels this feeling fit being able to breathe easy that helps you You know really enables you to do anything like that you want to do if you have that Then you have your presentation You have how do you show up to people and a lot of it's just how you dress how you look at yourself what you Think your personality is how you model that so the course we're designing It's gonna be to very color. We're calling it like the optimized man course to me mindset fitness presentation and Having those three things in order feeling good about yourself thinking rationally clearly being able to make decisions Dressing well having people look at you. Well, that's not an accomplishment of itself But it gives you the means to accomplish anything you want You know in any situation You know really whether it be a job interview whether it be learning your skill whether it be just you know Being around in people meeting people and you'll probably be well liked people will perceive you in a way It's favorable and you'll feel good about yourself. You look good. You feel good. You feel good. You do good So, you know and stuck in yourself in that sense I think for a lot of young guys, especially they just they don't feel good. They don't feel good about themselves I'm very friendly level. This I don't feel good about who I am right now. Okay. I can't I Can't fix your imposter syndrome and obviously turn you into a new man tomorrow But if I can have you stamp a little bit straighter about a posture And you can feel good of being stronger if I can show to you how to change your body If you can change some of your beliefs You know, maybe you can fake it to you make it you have some confidence He's not having a negative mindset or negative narrative and you're a little better dressed with a v-neck cut shirt and pants It fit and shoes are dirty now I mean something to have a positive effect and then you know, what was that little trifecta? Oh The v-neck with a pants it fit and not dirty shoes Yeah, crew cuts are gonna stay Crew cut t-shirts. Okay guys if you're still wearing crew cuts 2018 you are falling behind All right, you're doing yourself disservice v-necks or where it's at Every guy looks very right, you know this right right crew crew next that's like your dad's t-shirt from like 1970s You know, yeah, so but I mean it is that basic You know like mindset is such always a big subject. You know something like fitness can be such a rabbit hole Yeah, I mean you like so all these things to me this they're their own Domains of you know depth and breadth you really want to make that your thing Yeah, and to ping upon what man lacks like yeah, maybe it is your mindset Maybe you do need to go to therapist. Maybe you do need to like you know being a support group You know that just work for men. You're not conventional therapist. You know fraternity of excellence You know or maybe you need that kind of reinforce me to work There's a lot to impact there. You know, maybe it is like you're finished a little for a lot of guys Like I'm changing myself real stuff. I'm just fat. Okay that we can fix it Or you know for a lot of guys may they do these two things You just you're duty like you're very poorly dressed like you're trying to go out trying to meet people Trying to you know whether be girls Friendship you know getting a raise or just you know feeling like looking in the mirror like great to attack life Your dress can geeky. Yeah, and I you don't know how to dress and that's okay, but we can teach you that this is it's fixable Yeah, all these things are fixable. There's fixable. There's a course of action for them Yeah, if you do those three areas, I can't imagine still feel stuck in life. We're like, oh, yeah I don't know what I want to do. I'm like that's going to give you some direction Yeah, it goes back to the idea of definition discipline the more you define yourself the more you have some contrast to your character The more you act with consistency on a daily basis your actions You have that effect where you slowly become the thing that you're acting out Yeah, you have that point and things will start to become clear to you I'm not a fan of the anymore like the deep analysis like let's deep dive Let's find what really the answers are fight them out through your living Yeah, don't find that you're not gonna find out you're thinking you can be made to think anything if I sit here And I give you a prescription as to what your all your problems are. You know mostly mentally. Yeah, some people might buy that It's like, oh, he had all the answers. The answers are in you. You know, don't ask me You know, there's this idea of like So someone's got to have some answers, you know, so people asking is like, oh, you got to give me some answers You see me get yourself together like where the answers if I ask for the answers like There must be something give me yeah, and my answer that question is no no I don't have the answers. You have the answers. They're fucking in you So if you can do these three things as a man Your fitness your mindset how you think how you present yourself to the world. You'll find out what you're really about you know, don't ask someone else to be your Daddy guru, you know, tell me the way I need to think feel live and act. Don't ask for that. That's in you You know that your basic principles you need to fulfill are just being strong physically being strong mentally and looking like you're Physically capable and you are aware of how you're perceived everything else. That's your journey Is there such a thing as somebody who is unfixable? I don't can everything be fixed. I think everything's flexible. I'm not I mean, there's there's contrasting ideas to this I could say in one hand like I know I have my family worthless pieces of shit Men where they are just it's been it's 60 years and they contribute nothing Yeah, they are drain everybody like you can always you can pull up with any bad examples like well I know guys are just beyond something. I'm sure there are at the same time I would never tell anybody like oh that you're irredeemable like your life like nothing can be solved Like if you if you want to believe that then that's true Yeah, if you don't you don't like life is life fundamentally is this consciousness and at large the inverse is this belief driven If you think it it can be brought to being No matter how ridiculous it might be You can find too many there are too many examples of people who defy the norm and defy Right-wing reason and are able to achieve things and do things and change themselves to me by the power of the mind So if you want there's no one to believe like I can't be I can't be solved for You know, I'm beyond saving. All right Yeah, like good luck to you with that Yeah, but for everyone I would never I would never time with that and I've seen it too many times people that have surprised me We're like why you really changed. Okay, so clearly we have we have this transcendental power to change ourselves This a lot of us don't really have into and utilize it If you think it it can be brought to be a conversation with Alexander Cortes. Thank you. Thanks George What was your experience so far with the 21 convention? Oh, I'll stay I'll stay professional all across the board really good energy with a lot of people and I just like this It's very positive Positive direction this George. This is a this has been a first-class event. It's fantastic. You guys are in a really tight ship I've been to a lot of conventions over the course of my business career And I can tell when things are well run and when things aren't and this is a very well run operation I was very impressed. It's pretty incredible to see where Anthony's brought it Especially from last year, which is my first year here to see the upgrades. He's made it's been incredible I've got my notebook and with every speaker. I've written down about two or three lines under each of the speakers of just Just the key prime stuff that I got that's good. That's great. It's very surreal. Yeah, really enjoying it I'm happy to live in such an era where it's such a thing like this is possible I have never seen a group of guys like this a group of 200 men were focused squared away Working on their values just never met a bigger group of wonderful guys It's kind of neat because I've been to a fair amount of conventions in my day But you never see one where the guys like here you can just see Ed Latimore talking to Tanner about boxing Yeah, you just sit down and then you tell your boxing experiences. Everybody's kind of pinging off each other Yeah, it has been fantastic And it's been four days of guys all on the same page working in the same direction fascinating meaning some of the people Hearing their stories. Yeah, you got people traveling from other parts of the world to come here just to see yeah some of the speakers Yeah, I think it's impressed me. Everybody here is very serious. Yeah, they're taking it. You know close to their heart What a great convention. Thanks, George