 and so on, where it recedes, but we have a camera for them to continue to do business today. So, we wanted to proceed. I'm just visualizing that. I now remember what you were talking about. We had looked at that whole process of flipping the restaurant, the perspective of the front space, the humanity space, and so forth, and getting that door passed. By virtue of the shape of the rest of the building, along with the notion that the public space, if you have to go through a restaurant, or somebody had to get to leasing office and so forth, it wasn't working with the program, and the adjacency fee to commit the cooperation of the leasing office and so forth, was needed to meet the stream. And so, that along with the massing of the bar and so forth, that whole bar would have to push back, and potentially require a third of my share. So, for all the breach, we had to back off a little bit. We liked the lower mass and cherry, but that didn't push the lower mass over to close to the bridge, which is what we tried to avoid. That, together with all the de-weather concessions that Mitch had accepted, and that kind of left them with a lot of liver and vitricated liquids and so forth. All right, thank you. We will send Antonio Green. I came up a couple of times today. Can you please just say about what type of strategies you are offering to satisfy that department? Certainly, we will send Antonio Green, as what he does, as a nine-point student, as a... how we respond, and so an extra two-point student, will be at the wall, recite your protection, and then, like the leader in the chat, we have a water-collection group across here, made structural cars, and it's going to be here in the end, right here. We also have deep-send windows here, so it's a cut-out in the U.S. protection zone. We will also have a primary energy zone, but as prescribed in the lifetime, we will try to un-work these sides to a new situation in this country. Several moves like that, as well as efficient HAC systems, and things like that. When we talked earlier with the DRC, the steel hardware is on the south elevation, closest to the bridge, that seemed to have a lot more reference to the region's architecture than what it has now. Would you agree with that statement? Did it? It did, previously. The DRC version seemed to be about much better to see the structure of the bridge. Now, it seems basically a simple hardware would be, basically, just vertical and horizontal outlasts. Up here is where we have a simple hardware. Down here is where we have the next round of potential developments in the U.S. city. There's quite a lot of detail in how these inter-buckles and so forth will work in that respect, trying to be about the same sense of members that you have in the bridge without having to copy anything and try to do a powerful story. So you have these evocative elements without strictly copying it, but there aren't any connections and so forth. So those elements are new? Yes. I believe the hardware on that ground level, closer to charity, the first iteration that I thought or I can recall, seeing was that responded a little bit better to the bridge because I made that comment during the DRC that that was a great idea to see that exhibition here. It's essentially the same. This is my number in Spanish. It also shows an interesting public art here at the DRC that seems to be a bit more contextual and globalized much more than what you're showing today. In a sense, in the other part, we're hoping that through this process that we move forward and reserve a significant planning into the park area, to do that in collaboration with the city and the neighborhood and so forth, to come up with a new, better design that works together with the space under the bridge to have a common voice so to speak. And that process, bringing in a public art commission and so forth to really get an appropriate artist was something we just plugged in there around the area. That's a... If that does come to pass, it'll come to this body to make sure it gets it right. And then the last question I have is your decision to go for a certain area of a program as of the day rather than conceptual approval for what is basically brand new designed to proceed and what leads you to that decision? As I understand it, it's a good idea to get conceptual approval for any that's in a historic district anything that is of that nature because this is downtown Zangai. None of that is the preference of the Zangai in quite the contrary. It says if you go to HCRC, you've got to get approval for some kind of appropriateness to start with them. Do you have any questions? I do have one question. There are a number of staff stipulations for what is your position on those? Except everyone was. Questions. This is about the grounds here. I'm looking particularly at the parking and I see it looks like 127 spaces for rents relatively to 141. I think basically comments there might be some confusion on exactly how this parking works. Particularly, the parking how it ramps down and where you have a low-grade parking that you just elaborate on. Certainly, certainly. As James mentioned before, this is the downtown building so there is no parking requirement. How are we known for this to be successful that we need to have enough parking? So we push the building inside the parking line by 8 feet to accommodate parking here. People park on the street today and nobody out on board would occur to see here. So we're accommodating at least four or eight ball spaces here. As you come around the back here, there are visitor spaces up here and there's a parking terrace here for parking. Additionally, you will see that that happens under the sun moon as well. And finally, there is parking sorry, there's a digital parking underneath here. It's the parking that is seen. Thank you. As the parking person has been brought up and we have pointed out that being in the downtown zoning that we were exempt 1.5 to two spaces per unit, if they were anywhere else in the city, if they were right across the street, we would have to choose spaces per unit. But since it is in downtown, we were specifically exempt. So do you feel that it is appropriate that we can have less parking and then expect the surrounding community and neighborhood to basically subsidize your project by providing parking that would be useful to ourselves? Can you elaborate on what you mean by subsidize? Because the surrounding community is going to be supporting parking on there's public streets in front of their homes and around their neighborhood. Therefore, they're taking their neighborhood and supplying parking to your project. So when we look at it, this is a power neighborhood. Those are public streets. And we're going to best to accommodate that great extra cost from the last iteration parking that we would have otherwise. Now, there is also, as you've seen, an enormous parking lot here to serve the neighbor. And so that's in our community too much parking. We've done our best to balance the need for parking with the, and it's kind of expressed to some of the parking setting the building back and having that walkability and so forth. So what you've seen is the combination and true balance of all the different criteria to make and affect all these different things. So as we hand in the property or the building off the property line to do all these things it leaves us with less of a footprint to affect things like what you're talking about. So what you see is the ultimate resolution of all these different things in their proper way that there comes a point when you say, okay, well, that's what does satisfy the parking issue which is not our apartment very well. So that parking lot that's currently being used around the property we're taking that into account. That's clear, right? No, we're not. But it's there. And it is there and it's available to the residents that they can park there. No, it's a separate property. Making the observation that parking becomes more of an issue that there are other options for any development that happens. For your residents who are not able to get parking on your property since you have fewer than one per unit and I assume they're going to be rented out basically to whatever the market will bear essentially. And so how does that tie into affordability and you have 10 units that are considered horrible but they're not going to be a lot of So if I may, the areas you're turning into don't relate to the design so I just want to qualify that. I think they're good questions and certainly good concerns. To the degree that we're able to we're showing as much parking as possible and the added parking issue in the structure is very efficient and comes to great expense and it's the affordability I can't say that's true. So what I can tell you is 55 We're showing 55 efficiencies or studios that are of urban scale they're tight they're they don't have a separate bedroom and those all are our best attendant from a design standpoint affordability by virtue of their size. So that as I understand it puts the rent right about the low end of what rent is today in the neighborhood. Less than a thousand dollars. Again, that's not design. But also, of course I understand that the last design is no longer here and this is a completely new design and by the way I really do have to commend the design. It's beautiful. It's a lot much better done. It's very, very well done in fact. But there's still a few deficiencies that need to be addressed. It's really well done. And so, it's come a long way. Before it was a very exclusive situation and now it is being more inclusive and that public space on the side is great. I'd like to see the room at least that's a concession to very acknowledge that and that's against that. So, but again as far as if they're not able to if your tenants are not able to get parking there, where would be their places of place to? That's something we're prepared to answer only because what we are asking is because it's not required. Well, I guess that's part of it. We're designing above and beyond and this is what we're saying. 120 seven spaces is plus 12 and three. That's done pretty well and if we're required to have none. We understand that the reality is that parking is a fact of life at least for a good amount. Now, we have accommodated and looked at the different aspects of where the nearest and the SOPs are things like that and all those reasons help us embrace the walkability complete street that we're designing to today. And by your own acknowledgement it is not in the downtown center on Edge in front of them. And so all of this does play into the back and all of it is a proper project. There are other aspects that are of course that this is not the proper venue for example in all cities and things like that. This is not a recording hall. This is not a venue where there's no tourist location here. Although I do think that the court system and the legal system should have its time to play out and answer those people who are here. So we're a bit premature that we're here because of when there's some questions on that. But here we are. So. Well, you may want to clarify with staff and with the city legal staff as well. Our say is your purview is to address power as I have submitted relative to the design guide. And that's simple. And it's a approach to address that at the time that it's submitted by the applicant. If that were simply the case, then this would be an administrative process and it wouldn't be here. I'm afraid not. The applicant has the right to submit whatever they want to submit and then we have to tag on it when it does come through. I've got some questions about the role. Can you tell us how the massivists work on terms of the tourist region side, for example. There's a center block and then two lightings and then a corner blocks the turn. So this is your strategy for breaking it down from being born with. That's part of it. I'll point out here that as we showed the diagrams of the powerful presentation, this is a mass. This is a mass. This is a mass. This is a mass. And a third mass is this one across the block here. This one is further articulated by it's being broken down and set back with a foot balcony there. That's something these are additive. This element here steps out it spans over and it's further part down reductively from being rectangle. Then we've got the main bar and opening group as the bridge itself. We have this large pushback review from the street level which itself is modulated every three feet down here as a canopy terrace and then the terrace itself set back this small set back if you're getting dizzy and up and around. Then finally we get to this third mass here in the end which is down here a strong brick corner lower on this side. There's a terrace across here and as I mentioned earlier these are deep recessed windows and sliding doors and work areas across if I do have back doors or windows. And could we go back to the Cherry Street side design which was rejected forwardly didn't have any invitation in the street so can you tell us what the portal is that's sort of the portal is intended to exactly do that invites you brings you in into a bike parking bike parking area a little green space over looked if you will it also has another way into the little rest room it takes you either into the leasing office and or restaurant and then backing up a little bit there is an opportunity for art and signage with the benches here and you go through the door here to your left into the living room of the vanity space or the leasing offices would you give us a quick rundown again about the pallet and materials and work is obvious and the metals are in different kinds of panels yes yes we've got a cementitious panel here this is going to be a stucco with reveals control joints this is a different panel down here that's coordinated and back to the cementitious panel here so it's really an effort to ground the heavy enduring masses both with the brick here and then have a lighter usually lighter mass at the top so it's not as heavy very much like the bridge and then finally we do have the board form copy which is a little bit rougher trying to tip our hat to the industrial nature of the area I read a little bit on those elements that are rendered in green because the green elements are presented on the documents on the elevations some of it is some of it is plaster and some of it is cementitious fiberboard what you described to this that's a very good question here in the center the center bar is plaster and both flaking elements above the masonry is a cementitious panel like a hardy panel a nichicha something like that aquatone they're there for many the idea again is to have a smoother lighter material and there is an offset that they've been to read as secondary material so the green material on the outside corner of people around to the intersection corner where the orientation of that material starts to come horizontal exactly that's a cementitious panel a quick question I would like to thank you very much for the clear straightforward presentation that takes us through the whole process probably make us make and be able to ask questions very quickly considering the height how many units has the previous project from this project values the previous project project was on the order of about 142 units and the one now was 148 was 148 or 141 141 thanks to the you know we had a member who came in with us talked about the relief of this facade so we introduced this element here on the screen and that reduced it to 141 I would like to break down the massing quite so compared to the one we've seen before and in that kind of the permeability factor here I still have some concern about like talking about the project as it's contextual yet and it's really difficult to have 100% or a very successful contextual multi-family that's basically a single plan without looking at sections cross sections where we see the base at least the base of the building how it's relevant or it's not relevant to the one or two building on Lamar and True Street so do you have any of those discussed at the end that you're seeing we talked about relating not necessarily about specific drawing and the thought was we would take some of the lines from the buildings across the street fenestration porches and what not and those would inform the we relating mass that's what we see with the whole masses here and if you look at the windows and how they're somewhat different relative to the rest of the building and that is that exactly relating to the building to cross the street taking those lines in a playful way at a limit of to a core project but you can see here in the light world you know the scale and the relative relative heights of each and we can if you like to show your section I think to make up for the spacing that's to create that community part which is really great to have as art I really admire that you plug in some of the San Antonio historic condolets here and there I wish that they were all maybe in some area that could be more attractive to the community I still think you could do a better job kind of relating that base with more studies in terms of proportion and heights and materiality but also recess of the top floor so losing one unit from the previous scale to this one may need a little bit more sacrifice within a couple of other units to create that kind of recess and that maybe in a square project units available but it will do a big job and relating the building and kind of scaling it so we're still going to have a height but scaling it down on the base part I have a question in the design of the first floor first floor floor plan it's just a plan from one of the accessibility for the elevator on on the south side is the ADA have access through other ways of releasing office the only access through the like around the during operating hours these doors will be open here and here after hours there is a secondary way to get through to here which is the same picture yeah so that's enough for the with chairman over just make sure about the situation of these last question for the work lift right what type of work lift that was designed was about it the idea is to have general work lift areas with the hope that there would be a lower level in the mezzanine towards the back and it would be by codes it could be architects, graphic designers web designers it could be hair and nails things like that that are commercial in nature or not it could be someone's home that's all it needs to be but we're encouraged by our understanding from some of the different groups that are trying to establish every type of presence and things like the work we do very well are not only desirable but also bad well there isn't asking just to you know this is designing downtown design guy it is requiring that kind of interaction with the first floor so if there's something that's going to shut down at five there's not appearing to what's supposed to now the one in the corner the restaurant in the corner is very and I'm just wondering why you didn't deal with the outdoor space of that restaurant the same way that you have dealt with the one back on the south side again part of the street interaction is most likely restaurants will have like a few tables on the south side looking in the sidewalk and the house breaking down between the grass and trees and the sidewalk is barefoot and we see for that expansion except in the planter it doesn't case I guess the planter is still tight so could you explain how well sure sure that's a very good question the design guy talks about more comfortable corner corner plaza if you will so all the softscape here and the hardscape in front of the doors are opportunities for in future when there's a retail space so not just the shell space for tapping cables things of this nature even pieces of art and the wares and so forth so we're creating the opportunity for it but because for now it's a shell space minimum 3 pound to 4 feet for people to walk out of the 6 feet we're going to only 2 feet expansion no no but the planter is across here and this is set back 820 feet so there's a zone here that's 8 by 16 or even more than that so aside from some space space people get handed out in the retail space so there's plenty of room for some tapping cables and so forth so you're talking only about the section where that recess in nature in Church Street but not in Lamar Lamar does not have the room to have a corner because it has the planter 7 feet already and 7 feet just for people for the business and she 5, 6 and then on Lamar Street if the tenant here would want to do more than space out here there is an opportunity that was my question so the planter is a potential for that extension yes yes is it any level like it is except that it's two steps lower now it can be raised and there are lots of ways to address that right now since we don't know what what kind of retail person will be in there coffee shop or something like that ice cream and those sorts of things but we don't know request or schedule model I'm going to preface it with one of my concerns is the relationship of the height of the building to essentially the width on Cherry Street first the downtown design guidelines were under the building design reference the building design should respect historically significant districts and buildings including mass and scale neighborhood content so I would like to see if you can rank the schedule a section through this building that cuts across Cherry Street and then you have the residents as modeled up there I think we can accommodate you I'm taking the tallest building in the corner but you can see how we're relating across the street with a lower mass ending and as we probably thoroughly has that lower mass that's relating to the buildings across the street and I don't know if you can see that as long as I can as we go so it is you know chapter and verse the section we call forward in the downtown design that relieves the rest through the portal along north portion building across the street and back to the garden we pull the image back just a little bit to the top of the move it forward just a little bit so we're cutting through one of those residents it doesn't matter I'm just trying to get essentially a section there weren't any sections for sure the way we answer your question when we're relating to the historic context and the district certainly the the stepping back and so forth and all that having the canopy having the wide sidewalk all that that's part of the streetscape in terms of relating the massing breaking down we broke it down as all the different boys we talked about already and this setback in particular is how we reference and respect across the street neighborhood now if this were in the district itself most certainly we're looking at a little bit differently the part about how the lower portion of the building relate to the context across the street I certainly agree with it's it's the volume it does setback in as much higher than just interesting so I appreciate you walking us through that section live in there and that's not always easiest thing to do and now you're in auto safety mode so you're in trouble it's going to spin for a while so I have a question at I think last time that this commission heard this one of the reasons for why we didn't vote for it was that because we were drone-studying to study the height we do have cities that speak to the view so that was maybe a waste of time because now you've actually added another door just want to remind our commissioners that was one of the main concerns and now can you tell me I do understand that it's because you want to maintain the same amount of units but I would say to me it's still a concern it's the height can you just point to the design guide where that is troubling you most I have there's nothing in the design guidelines that doesn't tell me that this project is no way to do it or the guidelines but and it's a very hard situation as a commissioner and I want to say there was one thing and I think Commissioner Kamal did point out that I would say it's not really an answer it's the areas I do want to consider the communities here it's almost broken against the project there's not one person that's broken before the project it's not it's not a party I told you I understand it's not a party but we don't have any questions to answer them and I think what's good for the community is it is the commissioner the chairman mentioned that at the beginning it's if somehow and we asked this with a lot of applicants is when there are this much input from the community how can we the historic on the list now is there a way that in this project you don't want to go and I went up and hide you don't want to go down with that talking for example that corner where you say well there's a way that we can do some seating area outside that's an example of engaging the community that's not going to live in those apartments that actually is in the community maybe is not engaging and I think you see it with the program how they in all their projects have actually made it accessible for anybody even though they don't live there so I would like to see more of that even though it's not required to die because I'm guidelines I think it's that's more out of the head. Well those are all very different comments and we're not insensitive to to the appeal from the community and we've tried in earnest many times. We don't have that much pushback on projects they're similar it's very very important project very important for a community not only the people living there but much much agree much agree that there are good people here greatly concerned so many of them made very good points some of them didn't make very good points but about the passion I think we all felt some people didn't didn't have the right information so that's why we're trying to clarify it and some people misspoke you know some of the professionals that no matter miss quotes and things and excuse things all that we should have been said thank you all that being said our our day and day we heard this other process Commissioner Garcia is exactly right this is a like no matter if it were the guys upstairs and say appropriate not appropriate that's it and truthfully that's what used to be except that Mark Broder came up with this downtown design guide with the hopes to improve the level of design and I can tell you with all this and sir you can listen we've worked very hard to massage and eat out every bit of value that we can and in many cases we had to go to Mitch and say Mitch this is going to cost you more money this is more more parking in the ground this is all these different things and all the while he's wearing his hands and say okay I want to do the project I want this to be lasting I want it to be certainly something that we deserve now the folks that is behind me today likely won't agree because they see a different view we respect that view we ask that our view be respected as well and quite frankly all these concessions all this very very strategic development of this plan has cost Mitch a lot of time and it's also possible a lot of money we're frankly out of time we can't go back to the committee we can't go back to the community even though we tried we did have our DRC meeting it was very positive very productive and we have every expectation that the wisdom of the commission will come forward and we'll walk out of here with a proof is there anyway that would be open to reconsider some of that first four amenities and maybe look at options that would engage a little bit we're open to all that and listen to opportunity to make the project better after we see the proof yeah you please make sure that then stop interrupting women on their speaking just fine and to be honest none of you actually criticize the design or were really specific on the design and our review is the design guidelines and it makes it very very very hard to see well the reason we're hearing this all the day has nothing to do with the story we're hearing it today is because it's in the downtown district and these are the downtown guidelines which are quite different the thing that we are most concerned about I think looking at the downtown design guidelines is whether or not the project is responding to engaging the street level which is one of the most important tenants in it we didn't see that in previous design and now we see that the work units engage not only the canopy level but we would expect to see it at a once in a great commercial building that might have been built in the area at the time but well there's this continuous opening of doors and windows there which soon is not the case in the last commercial plus there's a portal down that goes to the interior directly to the street I have one last comment or focus in mind that might be I can avenue for a compromised kind of access between the building and the and the bridge starting from your second floor we see the massing started to shrink right and then you have the deck that's in the back but in the front tree street the massing almost the same way so and then there was that argument that wherever you go beyond the first story you lock in the bridge anyway I'm not sure about that actually I have to disagree until we see a perspective like on street sequential perspective like typical urban design kind of trick to see how things will look like as we walk and really added actually quite positive previewability and walking through the building putting access to art and parts and open space which was really good but one more point is if you flipped the mouth the massing starting from your second floor to flip it to be in the back you're still going to get the views of the same downtown which is towards the west and you're still going to get only just the first floor and a path to ride the equipment in that corner to the street on the bridge corner now we'll have at any point of discussion that scheme being discussed it sounds if I understood you correctly it's essentially taking this pan bar and flipping it that's exactly the thought that we were given from our DRC as you mentioned earlier and because of it's what it does to the activity of the bar and the interior corridors and so forth it doesn't work I know it's going to be challenging it's going to need to be tweaked a little bit with the with the hallway with the two like double loaded to the hallway starting from the typical floor but it may happen a potential because the hallway itself becomes the link or becomes skywalk to connect this mass and the mass when it when it pulls back I have old readings of a bar paper expended and studying exactly that idea and it was determined by the certainly the team and led by Mitch that that was not something that we could do and the price adding the fires there and so forth it just became very well in the same page it's going to be the same exact unit it's just going to be pushed back and your your walkway are the one that's going to be just added coast because you're pushing them back there is a walkway here we can push these back but they'll come out on this side which is closer to the no no what I mean is the whole thing the second floor to be the one and they think the community not being pushed to the back and the home has no problem that's exactly what we're talking about because there's a double order comes here and serves these other units if that were to get mitigated and so therefore we need that extra way out in case of a fire went at very expense and spent several hours and days and weeks studying that exact option and at the end of the day that along with all these units that would get moved from here to here but then closer to the bridge and obscure reviews this mass came out at the expense of the other one in up front it was understood that that was not a move we could make because of the fighting of the building as well as it's defeating the purpose we pulled this away to start with we'd love to push the back further really come at the expense of having fire stairs and making the flow not not efficient I appreciate everyone's time being here and I certainly can frequently sympathize with everyone who spoke against this project but the simple fact remains we are not the types of supreme we are not in a position to go back and undo the things the city council has done in the past respect to the design we have a recommended approval we have stipulations that have been suggested stipulations that have been agreed to my biggest issue at the previous meeting was that open space and that potential for another building between this one and the bridge that has been in the lead additionally if we go to Hackberry and Nolan we see a five-story building there in the middle of Dignity Hill Historic District a lot of those things I'm prepared to move and do so move for approval with some stipulations at this time oh I just have a couple of quick questions you mentioned earlier continuous parkway what are the extents of that parkway that you can show us in the plans and or the 3D the continuous parkway exclusive of course of entries into the building this is considered at least by the downtown Zygote as a parkway so that is the word close to 16 and then we have seven foot eight wide walkway and then more space we do have a continuous walkway here which is because of the building around the road is not square it starts at six feet plus five feet plus the parking space and gets slightly wider as you promenade down towards the right we're talking about that continuous parkway as far as here as opposed to treat rates and concrete this is what they call continuous parkway Cherry Street is absolute that Cherry Street is absolute that in the interest and only in the interest of having parking where there's not parking you do have green space sometimes my guy does qualify you know where there's a lesser active street like Ramirez on the cherry you can do the parkway and the on-street parking is essentially in support of whatever may be developed in the little more spaces yes can you explain to me again the dialogue that you had that brought the whole portal does the portal down here or the portal up here the portal up there you know as we were designing the assistance began to feel heavy and to bring relief to the street level all that works very well it's when you get above this level where this bar felt a little too heavy and so composition we brought this in and now there's second humanity it brings relief to the to the mass on both sides as well as a second humanity so if you live it's down here you don't have to walk all the way to the end previously the design has shown a central that this was off to the end so this gives you a more immediate humanity the question on the circulation for that the route plan be further developed to include mechanical mechanical that's going to be screened from the visible rights of way including the history bridge do you see any any reason we don't get a second the motion dies all right all right all those in favor say goodbye by saying hi all right those close the same sign all right we'll need to have a roll call so what's the you just need a majority but um if there's a time that we have to try again or you know the only reason I would ask to break it down at this point would be if someone would be willing to make a counter motion but you may wind up with the same vote again we can go through the exercise and having a different motion made in a different second and we can take the vote again and see if anybody's on the motion to deny second we have a motion in the second is there for discussion all right all those in favor signify by saying hi and I believe we'll have to let's do that for the record thank you hi come on hi Garcia as I said at the beginning the next day could work can you let me know which of the criteria that we didn't satisfy I think it's the commissioners there's a motion so if I may just real quick the motion wasn't qualified usually there's a you know people don't want to do that I usually make a very very specific motion so why in the instance of breaking a tie this is where we go