 section which is ultimately the founding reason for the political instrument that the state is. So we are in extremely affluent societies and yet we are not, we're not being provided or we're not being cared for in a way to proportionate the resources of our societies. This is definitely a worldwide problem but it is particularly infuriating to live and see this in Germany. The solution to the pandemic combines highly repressive and unfair measures with free market procurement and not a very good and efficient one of that. And I would like to ask can we offer a different solution that is based on a cooperative principle that collects, coordinates and galvanizes all the powers of the state and mobilizes all the resources of all of us who are not doing systemically relevant tasks at the moment. There must be things that we can do to help research, to help production and distribution of vaccines. And this is not an agenda that we can have only for Germany, for we will not be out of this pandemic unless we take care of the whole of humanity and the whole of humankind. So it is this moment where we have to live up to our internationalistic ideals that if we can't do it now with short feedback looks, seeing people die on a scale of weeks due to our lack of capacity to coordinate for collective action, then how can we ever have a glimmer of hope of tackling climate change? So I say we should offer, VM should offer a plan that is led by the state in order to tackle the pandemic and combines all the resources that we can mobilize. And the second issue I would like to touch upon is rent. And again I'm more in the mood of asking than providing solutions but I do think that it is one of the two or three major issues that we could raise in the electoral campaign. The reason being rent is the quickest instrument to create debt and maintain this interest-based absurd and insane system. And the second reason is that in the daily life of people it is the first expense category. So it is a very present issue. The neoliberals want to increase the supply to extend the land grab into the hinterland and another possibility is rent caps. There is the Vienna model with public housing but it takes a lot of time to build or to secure. There could be expropriation of second homes or vacation homes. What is a credible policy that we can use to approach the citizens of Germany? That is the question I would like to put to you. Thank you. Asmir. Hi. I'm first time here so I'm sorry that my video is something is wrong with my camera so you cannot see me but I look same like this a bit older. I'm from Munich. I'm also from Bosnia and I was trying to involve also last time on the elections and I think that it's very important to move to activism, to move to maybe involve more artists and more people who can provide let's say some kind of audience or to move into more public let's say because I think that yes there is a lot of people in Munich also in Germany who are trying to search exactly these issues what we are talking about all and but they are not politically active or they don't they are some in some kind of the depression let's say of the to move through to the politic. So I think it's quite important that we start to move more in that because there is I'm also now a member and I see there is a lot of documents and a lot of political issues they are already quite good tools and they have their background and I think with this also the all the global politic is going into that direction so with SDGs so the goals and everything what what is so I think to move and to show there is a movement who is who have a we have a method how to move this forward it's more important than to have a background how so like a like a political philosophical background I'm not against of course but I think there is a need we start to be more more present in the in the in the cities and also I think it's very important to move from the cities like to work really locally on the global subjects and I see that also in in in Munich it's very important because the Munich is a global village and there is a lot of point there we can move people with the subjects how to to be local but also be a global and to feel the Europe yeah to be a European thank you Reiner and I would say the floor is open so if anyone wants to respond to any of the points raised just write stack in the chat next up oh no sorry that wasn't Reiner it is it will we will hear from Reiner now go for it forgive me no problem I'm also new here so hi to everyone for me it's quite a pleasure to actually see people getting into politics and doing what you are doing I personally was quite lost I even I even phrased it the way that I said I kind of lost hope and I was talking to friends and family and I'm from Germany and so this is kind of important here I guess and they all said we don't know how who who we should vote for and actually now that I stumbled across the M25 and see what you're doing I feel like that I'm I can bring some sort of optimism and fun to the whole story like I'm also I'm a new one we can manage to actually get new people you know it's it is difficult it is difficult for everyone but let's not focus on the difficult stuff but let's focus on the goal and actually the the good spirit and the long-term goals we have I think most parties are lacking exactly that and I feel that when we can spread the word I don't know how we can do it like in in Germany white or Europe white and but if we manage to get the word out I think we have so much support there's just no other alternative to it so keep up the good work thank you for having me and yeah hope to talk to you soon thank you Reiner optimism and fun two words we don't often hear in progressive politics so nice to hear them here Johannes yes very good to hear them and I think there there is hope I think it has been mentioned and mentioned before you know we cannot you know we cannot we could just cannot be pessimistic we have to be optimistic we have to come together and develop and policy and ideas that can inspire people and I think we're doing that at the moment and I just wanted to mention that briefly we have a document that we are asking our membership at the moment for feedback on it's called what Europe must do now our progressive European policy agenda for the 2020s and it covers all those it has proposals already for all those topics that have been mentioned decent public health shared prosperity a green piece not green piece but a green piece especially in the Mediterranean zone and I think we are working on this together but I hope someone can also put it in the chat on YouTube so people can read it I'm happy to share it and I think these ideas are out there and but the most important part is actually the one that has been mentioned already also many times is that we actually get organized so Thomas has also mentioned it again we'll meet this this Saturday in the park maybe people from Munich or wherever you are you can do the same on the 1st of May to start the local group of DM 25 for example it's called the DM spontaneous collective at DSC so let's let's get let's get this going thank you Johannes Thomas a quick word from you and then again we're going to open it up to anybody that has any final thoughts because we've been at it for over an hour now so quick word please Thomas because you already spoken and then anyone else go very very quick just our future steps we will meet on Saturday as Jonas mentioned and we will make a community community day on the 9th of May for a democracy in Europa DM 25 in Germany and for DMS in Germany and this will represent our first results from our program commission and we plan to have a party convention in October get the program done and then raise it to the in all member votes and get these the pillars that that we started with in 2016 now concrete and that you can vote upon these ideas and our program that's our concrete steps in this year from the democratic movement thanks thank you Thomas and if there's no one else that wants to speak then we will wrap it up there thank you to everybody for participating in this interesting conversation this this initial discussion on what we can do in Germany thank you out there for listening and for all your comments in the chat and see you same time same place in two weeks from now for a discussion about the UK