 Hey this hangout is live Yeah Thanks for hanging out everybody Listen, we appreciate you showing up. We really do Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I do have a car for John John That's what do you yell as you run into gen con for John? or John Have you ever been yourself Justin? Yeah, I was that was last year I was supposed to go today but My back said otherwise Jury's got back. I do I do I got La face with the Oakland booty And by Oakland booty we mean back pain we mean the bulging disc I Between my L4 and L5 a vertebrae I am Citus in my hip and My doctor who I was finally supposed to see who's theoretically gonna give me a shot that'll make it go away is out on medical leave Hmm like doctor heal thyself. Come on. Yeah, then heal me when you're done. Then he'll be Yeah, you know, I'm starting to get a little impatient on supposed to get this cortisone shot. Mm-hmm I'm also like Yeah, man, how long does it take you to get the packaging off like let's Get this show on the road here people. I mean like heroin addicts do it Well, why can't you wait? Can we figure this out? And they need jobs? So They just need to invent that telemedicine sarcophagus that you lie in and yeah, doctor remotely does all whatever they need Yeah All right, ladies and gents shall we Let's roll. Oh I just realized I didn't do that. Hold on just a second. Okay Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by you just you find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday August 17th 2017, I'm Tom Merritt Justin Robert young alongside How are you? Oh? Tom I'm living the dream. I'm very very excited to be here yet again with everybody for What I think is a stellar day of tech news that there are there are I'm not gonna lie to you guys Sometimes we do this rundown and it's a real stretch We have to we have to really figure out a way to polish up You know put lipstick on a pig but today is not one of those days We have news on news on news, you know, it's funny you say that I don't mean to sideline because you're right. This is the this is a thick day with good solid topics Why I do this is I'm always puzzled when you guys say that Patrick Beja everybody everybody's like, oh, there's just not much out there today Huh, and I'm like we talking about there's there's this this this this It's just it's just sometimes they're They lend themselves more easily to discussion than others. Um, you are a unique case And there's a reason why people have gone years and years and years every single weekday hearing your lovely voice in their ears talking about tech news because you indeed Speak the language of the forest. You you do not you never get lost in the trees You know them as your home and one of the children of the forest is our producer roger chang I don't even know what I meant by that roger But uh, just wanted to make sure I did forget to introduce roger who pops in every once in a while How's it going roger? I am good. I will pop in at the appropriate time when popping is required Excellent. Uh, let's start with a few tech things you should know Nielsen is launching nielsen esports to create reports focusing on sponsorship valuations investment strategy Of course audience measurement this to combat the perception that esports is already bigger than the mba. I guess Well and to effectively give uh a esports a valuation point in which they can go look for the appropriate kinds of sponsors And then have a metric that advertisers can say okay. Well, we paid x for this tournament This tournament is bigger or is projected to be bigger. We will pay y for it We want measurements that we can all agree on is why nielsen exists Alibaba reported profits rose 96 per cent year over year and revenue grew 56 growth mostly came from e-commerce and significantly Business outside of china grew 136 led by shopping sites lazata and ollie express Yeah, so we talk a lot about silicon valley companies working hard to get into china Successful chinese companies are working hard to get out of china Uh, you know, we it's one thing to to think about the difficulties of breaking a market with vastly different rules Uh, and those companies who thrive under those rules may have difficulties In reverse and by the way ollie express if you ever want some bizarre stuff Head give do yourself a favor and shapes through ollie express. There is some weird weird stuff there google's launching a feature called questions and answers for google maps for android and mobile search today feature lets users ask and answer questions about businesses that show up in the listing when you click on them on the map Seems like a cool idea and is a novel way for google to get into the more informational space As they're like yelp clone stuff is is oftentimes sparsely populated Uh, but i'm sure it won't get abused All right, here's some more top stories the essential phone now available to order in the us for anybody Don't have to be one of them pre-registered suckers like me Anybody can order it from sprint best buy and on essential zone site You'll get different shipping estimates depending on where you order it phone sells for 699 dollars You get a 260 dollar discount on that price if you do order it through sprint in a blog post essential founder andy rubin Promised that essential phones will get at least two years of software updates and three years of security patches Pretty much in line with what google promises for the pixel rubin also promised new accessories like the snap on 360 degree camera every few months Although as a pre-registered essential buyer i did not get the opportunity to buy the 360 degree camera add-on Even though i think i'd pre-registered for it. Maybe i forgot Save to say also that essential has had a little bit of a troubled launch here They lost some key staff members along the way the phone was about two months delayed from when they initially said it was coming out Tom is the essential phone going to make it to its first birthday Oh Ha it's gonna launch I fully believe that i will get one and be able to report back whether it's worth all of this hype and sturm and drong Which is the only reason i'm getting it Yeah, is to try it out Does it make it to its first birthday? I mean over under over a big question I think the bigger question not i'm not trying to avoid the question the bigger question is do we have an essential two? Or is this it is is it essential? And and then inessential Unessential yeah, I mean i guess that that would be more where i'm at is i say 50 50 Oh, you are the worst and you're you're just Remember what it's a yes or no question and you told me 50 50 No, you asked for over under i'm 50 chance. Okay, that's also not how you do over unders You choose either over or under you don't say well, there's no point spread with an essential phone No, but She's time. Okay. I'm gonna one day. We're gonna go to vegas and and I'm gonna explain all the zoola and you'll sit down and I swear There is some degenerate gambler that listens to this show that very much appreciates that I keep everybody straight on No, you're absolutely right. There's probably more than one Uh, the operando project that has released an open source privacy management tool called plus privacy for social networks Users can manage privacy settings for facebook twitter linkedin and others in the unified dashboard A single click privacy function will set all accounts to the most private values You can also show a data collection of apps and extensions and offer alternate email identities A feature still in development called privacy for benefit would let users trade private data for economic benefit This seems like kind of an open sourced version of last pass or one passwords specifically designed for social networks Tom Well, yeah, don't confuse people with passwords because it's not about storing passwords What it is what it is about is is easily managing your privacy settings So I I think I was thinking more of privacy badger, uh, but it's not exactly like privacy badger either It's kind of a mix between the two So so are you interested in it? I'm very interested in it I love the idea of being able to hook it up to all my social networks And manage my privacy settings from one place instead of having to navigate all these different interfaces Love the idea of one-click privacy when I'm like, you know what? I just need to shut all this down. Boom Love that idea. Love the theoretical idea I don't know how reasonable it is that companies might start to play to pay you To unclick those privacy settings and we shift the debate from Do I have to give my data away for free or not use the service to How much is it worth to you for me to give you this data? But here's my problem This is uh, this is a an organization. I'm unfamiliar with this is not the eff or anything like that Uh, this is an organization that is new to me and is supported by the government by the european union So I went to sign up for this because I love everything about it. It's open source That's great And the first thing it did is like, oh, you need to install this chrome extension Which wants to modify websites and run scripts, etc, etc and I backed right out of there because While many legitimate chrome extensions need all those permissions. I don't know you Yeah, and so I started looking around online I found a reddit thread from a few months back where they were taking questions from people and criticisms and responding And changing things and a lot of the things they said they would change in that thread They have changed. Uh, for instance, they give you a pop-up when you go to the site that says, hey We will be using google analytics during the beta period We're going to try to get rid of it after the beta period and that was something in the reddit thread that they said Yeah, we need to alert people that that's happening So I feel a little better after that But when I go and use privacy badger, I'm like, you know what? I know the eff I know they have good auditing lots of eyes on them. I'm going to to trust this Uh, something like this. I'm not saying they're not trustworthy But when you're operating a privacy tool that has a connection to the government I need a little reassurance from outside of your organization. Yes, or there needs to be I think more transparency on exactly what is being done and exactly why these these these permissions are needed Obviously when you're going to get into this world, you are going to need to be held to a higher standard Because you know, you are this is literally a who watches the watchmen kind of situation Yeah, and and it's you know, it's exactly what I would do if I were wanting to gain access to a bunch of people's private information And and social network passwords is I create this now This seems unlikely that they have gone to this length and got the government involved to make malware What I think could be a real concern is okay, but How far is the government involved in this? Could they could they take this data themselves somehow? Either, you know, not even necessarily directly but later on Demand hey, you need to turn this over because you're funded by us. I don't think it works that way either But what I'm saying is I'm ultra careful with things. I don't know So if you're on the operando project and can explain and point to resources about this or you're someone in europe Who's like, oh no, they're I'm very familiar with them. Here's their bona fides Send it to us feedback at daily tech news show dot com I'd love to hear about it because I don't want to disparage them without knowing but I just don't know But until then Eyes on you operando eyes on you Motorola published a patent for a method in which uh phone screens could detect cracks and apply heat to help repair the damage The practice is called thermal cycling and it changes material temperature rapidly It'd be applied to shape memory polymer overlaying the lcd or led display Hey On the one hand, how cool is that? Scratches just go away with a rub of your finger which apparently can do enough thermal cycling in some of this material Uh on the other hand, this is not going to be as pretty of a screen as your sapphire screen, right? No, uh, and I don't know whether or not people are going to want to have it Specifically if it's by default, you know, uh, there's the obviously decisions that people make all the time to put Uh, uh, you know screen protectors over the glass or to have Uh Cases like I do on my phone to make sure that if it falls down, it's less likely to shatter I don't know if we are at the place now Where oh and let me ask you this question What do you think's more likely? The consumer populace at large will want to sacrifice beauty for safety Or we will continue to evolve to either Understand that we always need a case or that we can hold our phones better I think it's more the second one Uh, we will decide we always need a case or or or even even on top of that companies will promote Their pretty screens as being more durable and scratch resistant Yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you on that. I think that now even now somebody with a crack screen. It's like, okay Whatever, uh, you you can suggest somebody to go get it fixed. It's usually fairly easy to get it fixed And uh beyond that It's not really even that much of a social problem Uh anymore, you know, it's it may be again, don't forget This is a patent and we tend to avoid talking about patents because a lot of times they don't end up turning into anything This was just so interesting because of the ability to heal the scratches There's no reason Motorola couldn't develop this into a pretty glass screen That also has the thermal cycling behavior, right? Yeah, and that would be super red Google launched a voice calling for google homes, uh, the google home smart speaker in the us and canada wednesday Users can tell the home to call anyone in their contacts as well as local businesses Calls are made to phone numbers So for now the google home can't be used to answer a call Calls will show up in the caller id with google voice or project five numbers if available Otherwise the number will show up as unknown When you're ringing them from your google home Uh tom are you ready for phone calling from google home or the other smart home speakers? I sort of them I first of all we had we don't have a culture that uses the phone as often as it did Even though we have mobile phones now people text each other to find out if it's okay to call So, you know the idea of saying, okay Amazon call Justin Uh Is not it's not as compelling as it was back when we all used phones all the time that we're we're hooked up on our wall Also, I think what this points out is the phone number system is a mess Yeah, phone number doesn't isn't portable. I mean it can be but you have to jump through a lot of hoops to make it that I mean I can make my google voice number Forward to my cell phone number And then that would allow me to show up as my google voice number But I'd have to tell everybody my google voice number and nobody remembers anybody's numbers anymore Anyway, they just look up the name in their contacts list Uh, and even people who have google voice or project five Can't use that number to call To to uh To what is it google homesparks can call anyone their contacts? But calls can't be used to google home can't be used to answer a regular phone call You can't say call my google voice number and i'll pick up on my google home Yeah, I mean they could do that technologically, but obviously that's a little more complicated than they want to implement right now So I think there's generally like something to be done Google voice would be a good way to do it that just says hey y'all just need one phone number that rings wherever T-mobile's been working on similar sort of situation, but it's all within the wall gardens Google's only works within google products. T-mobile only works with t-mobile products Makes me wonder whether or not apple's gonna have an inside track if they want to go this route with the Home pod because apple has been working on the idea of hey Somebody rings your number it rings on your watch and it rings on your computer and it rings on your phone Why not add the home pod to that the idea of fairly seamlessly switching from a call that you are on Your phone on to a big nice speaker Uh, it seems like something that is more Relevant in terms of actual use than saying. Oh, I need to call somebody Let me use this speaker that I've never tried before where it's gonna show up as unknown on their phone Yeah, as soon as you have to start thinking about which number is doing what it becomes less convenient Uh, I I would you want to know what I just get me text messaging I would so much prefer They a better as good as some of the voice technology is on these devices I would so much prefer just being able to text message with people through My my uh through my home amazon echo show does that Sure, and and, uh, I don't know do people use it? Uh, I got rick rolled by text jib the other day. Uh, He accidentally sent one to me No, that's is that just to other google show or to other amazon echo I yeah, I think it only works with amazon. I don't think it goes to sms. I could be wrong about that though Yeah, so you you need it ubiquitous. Yeah, for sure researchers working at the university of city in the nun young technological university published a paper in advanced materials Describing zinc air batteries that can hold five times the charge of a similarly sized lithium ion battery Now zinc air, which is zinc and oxygen In this case anyway Is often more expensive to make than lithium ion That's one of the reasons that it hasn't beaten out lithium ion, but These researchers were able to make a zinc air battery that used low cost catalysts cobalt nickel iron Making them cheaper to produce than lithium ion. So At the at the risk of going down the road. We've gone down so many times before in the show This is a very promising battery technology advancement. Justin It is indeed tom. I wonder should it ever make it to manufacturing Uh, the fact that it's lower cost is a good sign The fact that it can hold more charge in the same size is a good sign I would not be shocked to see this make it into some cars within the next let's say five years uh, you know and and The profit motivation is there. We we are at a very very interesting time where uh, uh a breakthrough in battery technology will be very handsomely rewarded in in not only You know consumer electronics, but but really so many different facets of of uh, of modern life But let's be honest. This isn't it is it? I mean listen, uh, hey tom over under. Will this ever become a thing? Well, wait a minute. How if there's no points, how do I go over or under so over under is just if I say there will be a an essential to In a year do you go over or under a year? That means that you are betting Okay, so you're going over under that this makes it to manufacturing in what yeah I'm you're going over or under on the date and what's the date? A year from now a year for sick air batteries Uh, no no no and now I'm now I'm back to the essential. Oh you went back to the essential. Okay. All right. So yeah, so august 17 2018 is there an announcement for an essential to under There we go see so you're saying they'll be sooner that there will be there will be one sooner There will be within a year an essential to announced. I'll never be manufactured. No, I'm just kidding about that I don't know And I'll go over on the five years for the zinc air battery There we go. Folks. If you want to get all tech headlines each day in about five minutes There are no gambling lessons. 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So in the memo he wrote quote having made that decision To remove them from cloud flare protection. We now need to talk about why it is so dangerous Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn't be allowed on the internet No one should have that power in the related blog post prince argues for a framework For removing content that allows publishers a right to do process And doesn't put the power solely in the hands of companies and their ceo's This is a great power and great responsibility moment for ceo matthew prince First of all read his blog post because he does a great job of telling you all the parts of the internet You've heard us talk about transit providers You've heard us talk about cds and reverse proxies like cloud flare before it's all lined out in here As a way to get to that discussion of the framework and if you're like, wait a minute I don't understand how cloud flare can take a website down if they're not hosted with cloud flare cloud flare protects sites from ddos It does lots more than that But that is that is the basic thing to understand Which is if somebody wants to flood a website with traffic to make it inaccessible cloud flare will kill those requests It'll hide the true hosts and make sure that only legitimate requests get through so when cloud flare removes its protection It's not removing the site from the internet It's saying good luck with all these requests. It makes it easy For hackers to flood that target site with traffic and make it inaccessible And in fact cloud flare had been contacted by hackers who said hey Please step aside and let us ddos this site. Yeah Uh two things that I want to just set up before we get into this conversation because I think they need to be separated. Number one, uh, the The the the CEO Matthew Prince It is very interesting in telling that he says, okay, I have this crisis of conscience Uh, and it is all happening After I have retroactively dropped the ax on the dailies starver So this is not him going back and reconsidering what he did He is just saying I did this. I feel conflicted about it That's so conflicted enough to to put them back on the on my reading I I don't want to speak for mr. Prince, but my reading is I still don't want them available on the internet, but I shouldn't get to make that decision on my own There should be a better process that that's what i'm saying That's what i'm saying is that is that it is uh, it is telling there now Now that we've said that and we've reveled in the fact that the dailies stormer, which I heard the record, uh, I think tom and I can agree is an odious bag of poop uh Let's put that in a box On what exactly the dailies stormer is and how Disgusting their ideology is let's put that in a box for now and talk about the greater framework Of what mr. Prince is trying to say and and and this is a really this is a really good point because this website Is not illegal in the united states of america. It might be illegal in other countries And so if you're in germany right now, you may say well, this is cut and dry you take it off You take it off the internet, but but in the united states Uh odious speech has strong protections and there's long reasons for that So we're not talking about a site that's illegal Yes, uh, and and we are talking about a precedent that could be applied to any site that matthew prince did not find Uh Appealing to him if he won't yes because as he said look he got personally Infuriated by that comment and he and he ripped them off the internet Like and and that was that was that over, you know Slap his hands together and we're done and he thought that that was far too easy now Let's get to what he wants to do He makes a really big point in this blog post to say that the standard by which we need to look at these things is not free speech But due process that free speech is not universal Throughout governments on the planet earth, uh, they vary greatly even in g8 countries that we think of as the the modern west Right, like you said, germany has very strict laws specifically when it comes to nazi or anti-semitic kind of uh Speech because of their history. They do not look at things in the same way that we do in america However, something that is more uniformly understood is due process and he is saying that combining that with the fact that There are increasingly few companies that you can go to to get access to the internet Means that there needs to be internal company side And and linking together regulation and framework for how this should be done And what is oh here go ahead. Do you think that that's a reasonable point of view? I like this. I like the logic he uses here to say Uh in the past Cloudflare has terms of service that say we can remove our protection for any reason That is the terms of service. Uh, and so any site could be found in violation And they have used that flexibility To follow the laws of different regions to be able to say to a website in germany I'm sorry. We can't uh reverse proxy protect you anymore because you're violating the laws of germany Even if that site isn't violating the laws of of the united states They have the terms of service that allow them to do that. He's saying first amendment rules are different That's not a good basis for a worldwide web But publishers should know the rules and I think that is that is fair Because that makes it easier for matthew prince when he gets upset to say, okay, I'm upset Am I upset with reason? Are the rules that that are out there for everyone apply in this situation? And should I execute those rules and you have a situation here where? The rules are vague Uh, he says in his post you may believe this site should be restricted You may think the authors of the site should be prosecuted reasonable people can and do believe all those things But having the mechanism of content control be vigilante hackers launching DDoS attacks subverts any rational concept of justice And this is the hard thing to get your head around especially when you're talking about something where you're like that is clearly wrong is That's not enough Yeah, the reason we have a judicial system is to stop everyone who thinks they're right Uh from acting and making sure that we are beyond a reasonable doubt of being Right in applying the law that means sometimes bad people will get away with things for a short amount of time That means that you have to prove that they're being bad But the reason you have those protections for bad people is because you need them for good people You need them for someone who posted something that's a whistleblower Or posted something that is misinterpreted and a lot of people are angry about but is is in fact terribly important Something like the pentagon papers something, you know, like the panama papers Everybody's got arguments about whether those two leaks Were legitimate or not But history as far as the pentagon papers has has shown is that it was necessary Historically for the people to know this sort of thing and so you need clear laws about what's allowed and what isn't Well, and here's the other side of it is that unsaid in this blog post, but I think kind of looming in the background is We're rapidly coming to the end of this idea that the internet's the wild west Like we are we are going to be the final elements of this will be settled And that means the lawman will come to town and if you do not have Your house in order and you cannot show that hey look no, we have protocols in place We understand what this stuff is it serves the market Well enough, uh, and everybody kind of understands the bargain as they come in Then this will be an opportunist politicians A point of view to say listen if these people cannot regulate it themselves And the government needs to step in and make sure that these kinds of sites are off the internet And this is the same kind of problem that came for the entertainment industry They came from movies before jack valenti started the mpAA and you can think a million different horrible things about the mpAA Uh, and I certainly did as a youth loving independent movies in the 90s But the fact of the matter is that government would have regulated movies if he did not set up a regulatory board for which The body populace thought was doing a good enough job And I think what mr. Prince is saying here Is we need to get our house in order because otherwise It will be put in order for us by the government. I I think Uh that the problem here is not that matthew prince prevented a vile website from being accessible The problem is he couldn't tell you why beyond his own anger and his own opinion and That's what troubles him and it's what troubles me is one person's opinion isn't enough And you can say well We've got millions of people with the same opinion as prince. He did the right thing But you need to be able to demonstrate that and there is there is no agreed upon set of principles in the industry That you can point to and said and say it doesn't matter what anybody thinks We can all look at these rules and see that they were violated That's why you need them and and I really like your wild west metaphor because this is matthew prince saying hey Uh, we need to we need to hire a sheriff Uh to put some law in around here because if we don't the federal marshals are going to come in and run the town for us Well, just look we need to figure out a way that we can run this through a system So the next time that the daily stormer is out here saying that yeah, no cloud flare is cool because they're totally into our White supremacist stuff. He can say all right now to the protocol protocol says this you did this you violated this Now we're taking you off. Here's your receipt or or if the the opposite is true, too If you leave a website like that up And people start criticizing you or claiming that you're doing it because you like them You can point to the protocols and say no we hate them But the protocols say this and they haven't violated those protocols like it works both ways sure and and You know what those are is a very interesting discussion but You know at at the end of the day Something's something's got to give and also This is only gonna become more and more of a problem uh as you know, the the the culture war has come to the valley tom and This is the reason why I wanted to make sure that we could put What the daily stormer is in a box so we can have this conversation this larger meta conversation Is because it's very hard for people to do that right now specifically here in in the valley. It's uh, you saw how fast that that uh, you know Pile of gas soaked rags went up with google and and there were even some stories that we didn't put in The story today about old wounds of internal, you know censorship at other major companies This is a huge conversation that is happening right now And I I think for for matthew prince Let it's it's wise to say hey look Let's separate our principles From the framework the framework should be what it is and then we should wrap our principles around it As opposed to the other way around because because because when at a time when people can't agree on where the line is Yeah You know you need to start having that conversation Because the problem isn't the obvious ones the problem is never speech you like The problem is always should you be protecting the speech you don't like because That may be what so your speech you like maybe what someone else doesn't like and you'll need that protection I mean look, you know, I saw a thing today Or yesterday where you know the aclu which has certainly gotten a tremendous amount of Of good press and had record setting fundraising through the beginning of this year With some of donald trump's executive orders all of a sudden You know something that i always remembered the earliest memory i ever had was of the aclu was hey look They stick up for free speech and and you know they they even stick up for the kkk When when they want to do it because what they care about is free speech and yet now In this in this climate You know you wonder there was I saw a tweet today like oh, I don't know why the aclu sticks up for the kkk and it's like Well, you know listen right now. It's uh, we we are in a very very Volatile place in terms of us understanding where that line is but to bring it bring it back to technology Let's break and the reason why we talk about this story and we might not talk about other stories Is there's a lot of confusing issues out there about who gets to say? What where this one's going to impact you because cloud flare 10 of the internet goes through cloud flare and cloud flare is A site that can decide whether you get to see a website or not and so I would like to applaud matthew prince for Coming out of this saying the real issue isn't what I just did the real issue is that I was able to do it And I don't have good justification for it that is external to my own opinion. Yeah Uh, and I and I totally agree. I think that this kind of stuff is necessary because again It's only a matter of time before somebody does it for them if they don't do it themselves Hey, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show even got some folks Help with troubleshoot feed problems and stuff in there Uh, so that that's turning into a really cool group facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Thanks to all the folks volunteering to approve people and keep that conversation going By the way, if privacy is on your mind suddenly because of talking about operando or or the idea of websites being taken down Cindy cone executive director of the EFF Talks about privacy and its implications on the internet with rob reed in the most recent episode of after on Which I co-host with rob. You can find that at after dash on dot com It's the third episode in the series Go check it out and send your picks to some cool stuff to feedback daily tech news show dot com Real quickly scott johnson and dts family sergeant fudd writes Buyer beware with the movie pass program I signed up this morning after hearing about it on yesterday's discussion The website wasn't quite clear if I could use it in the bay area But I figured since they are based around here I should be able to and it's only 10 bucks Gave them my credit card. They're completely upfront about charging you right away But after paying and downloading the app I can't find a single location near me their website and facts need some work My recommendation is to stay off the bleeding edge on this service and wait a bit longer before giving them a shot All right. Well, first of all the website seems to be coming back And second of all you may find a lot of reassuring information in a cnet article from shan hollister who interviewed movie pass CEO mitch low He explained his system doesn't require cooperation from amc theaters or anybody else It just acts like a credit card. So the fact is you sergeant fudd you'll be able to go to a bunch of those places It's just that their website wasn't working at the time when you looked Six percent of theaters in the u.s. Are integrated with movie pass at the point of sale Allowing you to do things like buy concessions through the app And with the card But but a bunch of them aren't it just works like a credit card And there's really nothing they can do to stop it working unless they stopped taking credit cards That's fascinating, you know, and and it's a smart way to do it in fact, I would say it's the only way to do it because uh these movie theaters Are panicked and they are losing money and they do not want to have any kind of cheaper way Of of you getting into their theaters All right That is it for this episode and a and a thick episode. I was right when I said that earlier in the show Justin robber young. What else you got going on? Well, I'll tell you what I'm sure that there are plenty of folks who are listening right now That will be in indianapolis or already in indianapolis this weekend for gen con The 50th anniversary of the convention begun by gary gygax himself celebrating tabletop games The first one was 50 years ago at his house Before it was even gen con. He just had a little get together and then one year later started it at the geneva convention Or he called the lake geneva where it was but the geneva convention So uh, we will be there. Well, we I was supposed to be there John teesdale my co-creator on the contender and action news will be at the escape room Right around the corner from the convention hall. Just go to escape room indy Dot com for the address right up there in the lobby. John will be demoing Uh contender and action news. 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All right Uh, I will be right back All right, yeah, it's gotta go take his pills Um, I need to eat so I can take my pills Why didn't I get your google home call? I'm in your context. Should we wait till he you know what that's a reference to There's a song called mass text. Why didn't I get your mass text? That's what that that's why that's No, I don't know that song at all. Yeah, but I'm explaining why it's getting so many votes where you might look at it and go Wait, who's saying it? Tay Tay Allen Hmm Don't know it Usually look it up. Anyway carry on All right big thick news Uh prince among sensors. Hey, I just bought you and this and this is crazy. Here's a number call it maybe That if you don't know there's a song called call me maybe by carly ray jebson. That's probably why that's getting some votes All right Over under The esports gets a nielson rating of leet I don't know you chrome extension Google phoning home Mo news is good news essential launch a decline Trust us. We're with the government Screening our scratches scratch heal that self tom over under back to the essential new battery tech on manufacturers hype No new battery tech only manufacturers hype With great power comes great responsibility. I can't believe I like that one Matthew princes anger cloud flared up Storm clouds over the internet The tail too powerful. Do you see any that you like and you don't have to read through all there's a lot today This is great. I know it's uh I have the power Cloudy without a chance of storm really screen Could like silly string I like storm clouds over the internet. No, I don't like that one at all. All right. I don't want anything with storm in it Okay, uh Cloud flares silver lining not bad. No No, okay Oh, that's fair I just shot yours that you get to shoot bud Oh, no, no, the reason why is because it just makes the whole thing look negative Yeah, yeah, that's a good point which I don't necessarily agree with There was one earlier. How about with it with great power comes great responsibility. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm cool with that one too I mean if it's good enough for spider-man or peter parker We'll give it a couple more seconds while I export I'm pretty close though. Yeah Uh, it's it's you know, once you once you start inserting humanity into things it just gets really complicated And just and robert young Yeah, I like with great power. Let's do that one. Cool People had this kind of existential like Thought process was like radio It was like I'm a radio broadcaster. I gotta I gotta think about what I say Yeah, no, they did No, but I mean like, um Thank you. Thank you w scottis one for the peace spin What do we settle on with great power comes great responsibility Although although bio cow just re just submitted with cloud power Come with great responsibility. I saw a good cloud one. Oh, uh, no one cloud should have all this power Kanye west reference and I really like Uh, that's although looking at the one votes odious bag of poop Swipe to heal Well, I'm exporting I'm I'm leaning towards with great power comes great responsibility I'm willing to edit to with cloud power comes great responsibility And you'd have to make a good argument for me to change off of those. Yeah, I think I think let's just stick with the It's a serious topic. So yeah, let's stick with the great with the straight spider-man quote It's a serious topic. We need to stick to the classics or we can just go with big thick news Yeah, that's what I said Those are the words that I used. Uh, esports gets a nielsen rating of one three three seven Oh Yep, that's gonna be our slogan now up on the website Yep big news You like your news dick Nick and rich I will stop myself Riffing further on this How'd that j drew it work for you? You know, the games are just so long Yeah, is it kind of an attrition deck? It's well, it's just like The the the the name of the game is take their minions off the board and just continue to put massive minions on the board Until they cannot deal with it. Mm-hmm Which I like I like that style. I like either that or face Yeah, I the old the old the old face hunter was was fun for me because you didn't have to think like when you just wanted a break Yeah, I I can't wait until somebody cracks an aggro deck for this meta because yeah, there's no real I've I've been using a of what they're calling a face hunter. It's really a mid-range hunter uh It's like 50 50 though I only use it when I have a hunter quest and I'm like, well, this this will get me to whatever number of hunter wins I mean, I I did beat a mage um by double innovating double innovating coin on like turn I guess it was turn one or sorry turn two to get uh to get my my uh druid death knight Oh, wow uh And I won that one, but Uh, yeah, no in general. I don't know. I don't know how much I like it. I feel like I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna wind up either trying to find a more mid-rangey druid or um Or or just I don't know looking for some aggro Sounds like a song Looking for some aggro Oh Sung by better men than me Is news an acronym? Hmm news never enough wasabi thoughts Never enough wasabi sauce. It's the news That'll be our slogan after thick news goes away Oh dense thick news stories dts Sorry about that. That's me Gonna give me a takedown notice. Nope. You mean takedown. No, I'm telling you what Tell you what, uh, this this cloudflare blog in addition to the other things that it is Is a really good listing of all the parts of the internet I still keep going back to that like Content creators platforms hosts transit providers cds dns registrars registries isps Recursive dns like open dns and google and browsers. It's all the parts Yeah Let's do a top five on that top five parts of the internet As identified by an angry matthew prince Oh mass tech. Let's see the song Oh, I've introducing roger did to uh the mass tech song because there was an illusion to it in that One of the headline submissions. Oh really? He was unfamiliar with our dear tay with tay How did I get your mass text? I'm in your context Oh, man. God. That was so funny 2013 already. Wow four years four years Oh, man. This is drilling a hole in my head. Yep Wow, three, uh Three million three million views for tay-tay No kidding good for her Now roger just keep in mind. She's a friend Okay It's the best song I've ever heard tom. That's not what I expect you to say. It's not what I'm getting at I won't say anything. Just wanted you to get the reference. That's all. All right. I got it. Got it. Yeah Oh, man. Mass tech so good Look at this either. By the way, I don't say this enough lately ever since Ethan kane in the deal the old chat room Hit me up at the salt lake airport to do some show notes He has been Like jode the joe de majo of show notes like just in there every day Even in days when he's like called into service for other things He makes it happen and most of the time before I even post the dang thing. It's already in there. It's amazing. It's great Also, Ethan kane Saying that tay allen is the traditional first guest of the year on the ritual misery podcast that he hosts Nice. I don't know. Maybe I don't know. I can't say I'm elicitous. I'm teagan sarah Okay, that's fair All righty I was gonna say something Oh, I don't know what it was Say something in the post show. Oh, no it was yesterday Man, I keep forgetting. So did or did you put it in? There was an email Did we talk about it already? There was an email about post show stuff Uh, I really not Did we talk about it already? Maybe we talked about a couple uh, we there was one I put in Oh, yeah, so yeah, it was from tuesday Sonia miss music teacher, uh wanted to chime in on the discussion about lat being a latchkey kid Uh, she says i2 was a latchkey kid I was given a key to the house in sixth grade I know it was sixth grade because it breaks my heart to remember where the key was kept My mom put it on an extended length of chain and bolted it into my star wars tithe fighter lunchbox Oh, no At least I don't have to be sad that I didn't keep my star wars lunchbox since it wouldn't be worth anything Having a hole punched in it Ah Yeah, no, I had a I had a little uh key key fob Thing like a little just Hold it No shoelaces around the neck or string around the neck I also had money. So when I went went home in sixth grade as a latchkey kid I would stop by the corner store and grab a tequish and treat Because Roger grew up Because I like to you should treat I would always just have the key on me I know usually somebody might be home Yeah, that was the case I had a key but a lot of times my mom was home or one of my brothers or sisters was already home Uh, both my parents were active and get home until six or seven But yeah, and also I lived so close to the school There was nothing fun for me to stop into on the way home. I just went home Oh, there was so much We had the creepy guy in the van that gave out the kml 106.1 stickers that I told Tom about There's also the playground with the um, it had an f old f8 decommissioned f8 from the navy That was just like a playground thing you could sit in it and stuff Some kid got stuck trying to crawl from the intake in the front to the engine in the back So they cemented the whole thing shut. Um, and then they had to remove it because of lead poisoning Then there was the there was the swimming pool the public swimming pool and then there was the Stern grow huge park A couple of friends in the neighborhood. So we just hang out after I got home Well, man, those are the days Those were the those were the days when I could come home by the days Actually, I kind of liked coming home without my parents around. Yeah, you like that private time You just be messy. You don't have to worry about it Till they get home. Yeah kind of feel that way when Eileen is at home It's like you can relax you could breathe out a little bit And I could be messy nobody cares I'm actually not the messy one All right. Thanks everybody Adios, we'll see you tomorrow. Peace