 Hello everybody. Time for the Q1 2017 Quarterly Analyst Hangout. Something that I try to do every three months or so, as a benefit to the folks at the analyst level, the co-executive producer level, anybody who's helping us out at a dollar a show, that's the $20 a month level, gets a chance to ask questions live while we're in the slack. If you ever have questions of this, and you're not able to support it at that level, you can always just email them feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We'll try to get to them as they come along. Folks are going to be popping in throughout the hour, hopefully, Rich from Lovely Cleveland has arrived. Hey, how's it going, brother? It's going pretty good. Just joined a lovely Saturday. Fantastic. And of course, Roger Chang, our producer, jumping in. How's it going, Roger? Good. Sorry, sorry. I was having net cam issues. I don't know. Net cam? An old tech TV phrase. Web cam issues. It's Google Hangouts. It's just this one that works sometimes. Well, cool. One of the things I always do on this update is sort of let you know where we are with funds. And I've changed up how I do it every time I do it. So, you know, if you have particular questions, again, email them to us and we'll get to them in the next analyst Hangout. Or you can ask them in Slack. Gadget Chaser, for instance, is asking in Slack right now. Does the Slack actually cost us anything? A financial question? No, we don't pay for the Slack. At a certain point, if it gets to where the folks in the Slack who are supporting us at the highest level want a feature that you need to pay for Slack to get, we might do that. But right now, right now we don't need to. We just use everything that's there for free. How do you guys feel about Discord? That would be something I would float out there because Patreon actually integrates with Discord where you can give people certain roles based on their patronage. Are you there if you guys use it? I have not used it. I've never used it. I've heard a lot of good things. We mostly use Slack at my work. I would also think maybe not having it rolled. What's the Facebook business one that's like a Slack competitor only because of the social features, but I'm not sure. I actually just came across an open-source project that lets you do a host your own Slack, which lets you do full archiving and stuff. Obviously you need to take care of the hosting and stuff, but I thought that was an interesting alternative, too. Do you remember what it's called off the top of your head? I actually posted it in my work Slack so I can check just a second. Yeah, take a look. Good question coming in. Teeglass1976 even says he prefers Slack over Discord. I think most of the folks in our audience probably do feature-wise for the purposes that we use it for. If you don't know about our Slack, basically you back us at the $20 a month level and once a month we invite all the new people in and you get to chat with each other. There's a bunch of channels in there. A lot of people swap in tech tips, talking about things related to tech in their work and stuff like that. Howard also prefers Slack. It's a cool community that's been building in there and all of us are in there. I'm trying to get the co-host to jump in there more often. Of course, we're all busy, too, so. It's called Mattermost. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to jump. Mattermost, that's the open source one. Open source, yeah. Okay, cool. And then Gadget Virtuoso wants to point out HipChat was Enterprise Slack before Slack. Ha-ha. Zoom. If you're not familiar with Rich, by the way, Rich Truffalino helps me out on Daily Tech headlines, helping write the headlines and anytime that I can't do headlines, you'll hear Rich's lovely voice on there. So thank you for doing that, man. Absolutely. I should also tell people if you're not familiar with Daily Tech headlines, you should probably check that out as well. See, now Howard's putting Mattermost link in the Slack. So if you're in the Slack, boom, boom, boom. You're getting this stuff. All right, let's take a look at the finances. Oh, wait, hold on. A Beatmaster in our regular chat says, can you link me to that? Let me get that Mattermost link over there to Beatmaster. But yeah, finance-wise, we had a very good fourth quarter. Hold on, let me get back to the actual page that shows me that stuff. So yeah, we had nice rises in patronage from September to October, October to November to November to December, December to January was a drop. So we finished 2016 strong. It's not unusual to drop in January. It's after the holidays, everybody starts looking at their bills and was like, need to pull back. And we had a drop January to February as well. So again, not a ton, not a huge drop. It's in the financial terms, it's really just flat, to be honest. But we're talking about the amount of pledges processed to not the amount you see. The amount you see on the website is a best estimate based on history of what we would get. But then at the end of the day, it's what actually gets processed, what credit cards make it, and all of that sort of thing. So the reasons that people are giving, and by the way, if you do leave our Patreon, it's super helpful to tell us why. The vast majority of people leave because financial conditions changed. And I even get some very nice people who will write in and say like, ah, I ran into this trouble, I'm really sorry, I hope to support again, and that's totally fine. I 100% understand, especially at this day at age. But the other reason is people who don't listen as much anymore, and that's going to happen too. I've had that happen to myself, where a podcast that I used to listen to all the time, I find myself just not listening to. And so that's fair too. I would say though, if it's a time matter, A, you can always skip. B, there's daily tech headlines, which is only five minutes a day. And C, there are other things that you can get besides just listening to the show. If you're getting some value out of the Slack, for instance, at that level, or if you're able to take advantage of the weekly update to kind of keep yourself up on the news when you don't have time to listen. We try to provide lots of different ways to take advantage of what we're doing without having to spend 30 to 40 minutes every day listening if you can. Well, and I think kind of along those lines, the new anchor.fm daily tech headlines like is even more, like if you really are compressed in time and you literally have like a minute to catch up, that's like a super great, because you can just grab it in bite size. Each individual headline is its own little chunk and you can come back to it when you need to. It makes it really easy. Yeah. If you don't, if you hadn't heard about that, Ron Richards of All About Android and Damn Fine podcast is doing that as well. And he kind of helped me get into it. It's an app called anchor, anchor.fm if you want to find out more about it. And it has bite size audio that you can flip through. So what we're doing with daily tech headlines is we put in the little bits of the headlines individually. So that way you can listen to them and if there's one like, oh, I heard that or I'm not that interested in that, you could just swipe and move on to the next one. And I love being able to take advantage of other ways to distribute the content that we have. We also get to calls on that app. It's really cool. Yeah, it's really cool. We started getting some from people, just making comments or asking questions. So that's kind of fun too. You might want to check that out. Back to the questions. Howard says, do you have a schedule as to when you thank people on the episodes? Is it random or do you have anniversary dates, et cetera? That's a great question. The little thank yous that I give at the end, I usually pull from either PayPal or Patreon of people who have recently either just started pledging or changed their pledge. The thank yous to people on anniversary dates and stuff, I will do that sometimes. That's sort of random. So I pull from different sources and there's a monthly update that goes to everyone on patreon.com that has thank yous based on anniversary dates and all of that as well. So it's a good question. Maybe I should start putting some of that stuff in the main show as well. I don't know how you guys feel about that. One thing I don't think people are taking advantage of is the monthly update and the weekly update. So if you're at a dollar a month, you get the monthly update. If you're at $5 a month, you get the weekly update. And because all of the episodes also go out by email, some people may just be blocking email or maybe go into their spam folder. But you may want to look at patreon.com because we do have some really cool stuff going up there. And, well, now we've just got people talking about how much they're supporting on Patreon in there, which is great, which is very cool. Let's see. What else we got going on? Do you guys have any thoughts or questions before we move along? Any chance those emails will stop? Oh, any chance those emails will stop? Thank you, Gadget Virtuoso. Any chance those emails will stop? I think what he means is every post on Patreon causes an email and it's all or nothing. So to make the Patreon only RSS feed, which has the pre and post show work, I have to post it to Patreon, which then sends an email every day. What I do in the meantime, I've asked Patreon several times, Heather at Patreon knows this because I've been hammering her about it, to give me the opportunity to say, do not send an email for this post. They don't have that suggestion yet. So what I've asked, what I've done in the meantime is all of the posts that are just about episodes have the word full at the very beginning of the subject line. And if you're getting these emails and you want to see the weekly email and the monthly email, filter on an email from Patreon that has the word full in the title, can go into a folder or even get deleted if you want. It won't affect your RSS feed at all, obviously. It's just gonna, it's still gonna post there. But that way you don't have to get that email about the episode, but you will still see the emails that are the weekly update and the monthly update. Does that make sense, Roger? Kind of. Well, if you're not clear about it, then nobody's gonna be clear about it. So what's confusing you about it? Really, part of it is that I don't visit Patreon every day, so I just, I get, part of it is that I just flag all Patreon emails and they go automatically into my updates. So I very rarely, I notice them when they come in, but for example, I got one for the link to today's Hangout for the analysts. I mean, I don't really have too much of an issue. But you just filtered them all, right? Yeah, that's kind of bad. The thing to do would be to filter just the ones that say full in the headline, but I get that that's extra work, right? I wish people didn't have to do that. You know, I... Go ahead, sorry. Is there any way, I mean, would it be possible to just, you know, if maybe people want to opt out of getting update emails entirely, which I don't necessarily think is a great idea, but if we gave an audio cue at the end when we know if those posts are going up regularly, just say, hey, remember to go to Patreon and check out the weekly... I've been trying to do that in a kind of an offhand manner of like, hey, today I posted this topic so that people think, but yeah, maybe we formalize that a little more. Because they are, I mean, the weekly updates are every Thursday and the monthly updates, I think I have scheduled to go out on the fifth of the month, every month. All right. Steve I says, based on the feedback from the survey, what are the things that are working well and what are the changes you want to make? Yeah, it's... With the survey, I was kind of testing the waters on a few different ideas, but also just checking in to see how things go. So shall we go through the survey results? You guys into that? Sure. So should Daily Tech News Show focus on more single topics? This is the idea that I've been pursuing of taking some of the load off of Daily Tech News Show from being the everything you need to know every day, which is a lot, 30 to 40 minutes, that's a lot if you're like, I just want to keep up. That's what Daily Tech Headlines is for. Hey, here's the top stories of the day. And having Daily Tech News Show be more about here are the stories we can have an interesting conversation about. If there's something super important, we're going to mention it. We're not going to ignore super important things, but we won't try to go deep on the number of topics, kind of reduce those number of topics so that we can spend more time having a quality conversation on it. And it sounds like you guys are in sync with that. 39% said keep it as it is, but 50% said, sure, you can focus on more single topics, but don't lose all the top stories of the day. I mean, it's one of those balancing things where you do want to at least nod to those stories that are trending that day. But one of the things that Tom and I were talking about is how do we want to approach some of these single topics? Do we want to have a group of people, along with the contributors and a guest and stuff to go really super in depth on these things kind of like Charlie Rose, or do we want to do more of... And this is purely on approach, or do we want to do it more of a kind of a talk radio where it's just kind of banter banter kind of thing where... I mean, I'm sure... I'm wondering if I'm making any sense. Yeah, you are. I think we can mix it up too. Like, we can have certain episodes where it's, you know, a couple of top stories of the day. Again, never want, you know, going on the survey, never want to eliminate that. But we might sit down with a guest and have a bit of a longer conversation about one topic and maybe only have three or four top stories that day to make room for that. Another day would be, like you're saying, the more banter where we have a couple of guests on to just kick around a topic, which is kind of what we normally do with our main topics. And it's, yeah, it's one of those ideas that Tom and I have always been kicking around really just to make sure that we do do it, but at the same time, we're not necessarily alienating people who aren't on that topic level. I guess if, for example, if we go into Internet of Things security, do we, do people who are not all that interested in that feel like they get left out because there is no other content within that show kind of thing? Well, and to be fair, you know, you don't have to listen to every episode either. As long as we're still bringing a majority of topics that you enjoy, right? Next question, if DTNS became a slightly shorter show, say 20 to 30 minutes instead of 30 to 40, you would love it, wouldn't care, dislike it, hate it. And this is me responding to the people leaving our Patreon because they say they don't have time to listen anymore. And I'm like, okay, well, if we made this show a little easier, and I know a 20 minute show is a whole lot easier for me to keep up on than a 40 minute show, hour show, hour and a half show, especially daily, you know, hour and a half shows that are weekly, I have a hard time keeping up with. So our results were here, like 35% wouldn't care, 35% dislike, it's perfect as it is, and then only 9% would hate it. And I think that says a lot, 9, 20% would love it. So I don't know, I feel like that indicates we could shorten the show a little, keep it under 30 minutes and people would be fine. Yeah, I mean, I have, part of me wants to do a shorter show because as a producer, I find it tends to liven up. Yeah. The stuff, the discourse, because we are kind of like, okay, we're on the time limit, sort of. That's one of the compliments we generally get in our reviews is that they like that we move the show along as it is. Well, the previous, oh, sorry. That kind of goes along with the last question in terms of focus and in terms of maybe shortening up the top stories. So instead of doing four to five headlines to start the show, getting it down to two or three, maybe just making those more substantive discussions and I mean, that's one way to shorten it up obviously. But I think those two kind of go hand in hand if that was an approach you'd be willing to take. Yeah, and also, but we'll get to that. The next question is pie or cake. 44% pie. Woo, dodged a bullet there, just edging out cake at 41%. I would have had to disown the audience. What counts as 15% other like donuts? Yeah, I guess. Just leave it, that was survey completionism as you should never limit the options. You should always have a catch-all. I do want to give a nod to Tech Dad who mentioned at the slack about our previous question. I like the pre and post show sometimes better than the actual show, especially if time is limited time or start to get behind. I mean, it's one of the things actually that we've discovered is that people really enjoy our pre and post show discussions because they're not always necessarily tech-related or even tangentially related to the topics we've talked about. It could be something like, oh, you know, I'm running late and we'll have a nice... I think it does add an element of cinema verte where people can kind of feel like, oh, I'm actually part of it. They're getting ready for the show. You know, someone used to make a best of those for the patrons. They did. They were great. Pretty cool. Took a lot of time. And then I made him help me with headlines instead. So that's my fault. What main discussion topic would you like to see discussed? This goes straight to that heart of, okay, instead of having another conversation about a cell phone that came out or the, you know, 100th story about, you know, Uber autonomous cars as our main topic on a day where we should mention that. We should mention those stories, we could dig into more evergreen topics. What would you like to see? And we got a lot of great ideas. In fact, some of these have already started to affect, you know, the topics that we've been picking, right, Roger? Yeah. I mean, like it's very interesting. And I'm not sure if someone just filled out the four multiple times, but security shows up wet. A cognitive bias there is you're going to prioritize the first thing you see. Well, no, but I've noticed that it does that same topic does pop in throughout. Not as regularly, of course. But it's, I mean, it is something that I think people are very interesting, although when they say security, are they talking just, you know, I mean, security is a broad topic. Right. Do you talk about infrastructure security? Do you talk about your home? Network security? Do you talk about online activity security? Do you talk about security issues? For example, things related to legislative things that, you know, might be either passed in law or submitted as a bill regarding, you know, the government's ability to see into your digital content without your permission, stuff like that. So it's, it is, I do find it interesting that we did see one person put FOSS and Linux news in there, which is something I don't see very often mentioned in our general emails. Yeah, true. And again, this is more tell us some ideas, right? So that we can think about whether there's something we want to rotate in. It's not a democratic vote that we're trying to take here. So even if there's only one, that puts it on our radar to think about. The shotgun approach you've been doing works great is another one that somebody said. Whatever is timely is one that's somebody saying, hey, make sure that we keep them. I think I want to keep hitting topics that are emerging and we haven't talked as much about. Right now, that's Internet of Things a little bit, although we're starting to have talked about that quite a bit. Machine learning, AI, autonomous cars. Keeping in front of the technology that is interesting and we're learning more about. While keeping an eye on if there's anything really interesting happening in the mobile space or the app space. I think I missed it. A lot of Internet of Things in here. Yes, and that kind of definitely goes along with concerns for security or at least those two could definitely go together. I think the reason we're seeing a lot of interest maybe in more security topics is because we're kind of hitting a point where there needs to be a little bit more nuance, kind of like how we've gotten with net neutrality where it's not just enough to report on something as being net neutral or not that we're starting to get a little bit more shades of gray and that the DTNS audience I think is really interested in learning about those nuances and same thing with security as we enter an age where everything is going to have a sense or everything is going to be connected. Security kind of shifts then at that point and I think there's going to be a lot of interesting areas to touch on in that. I like this one. Surprise me. I think that's what we try to do. I'm going to skip past the guest ideas because we don't need to talk about them and discuss them here but thank you for the guest ideas and keep them coming. We're always looking for new guests. Yes, we want Molly went on almost every one of you said that we wish we could get her more often but we will get her back. Do you listen to Daily Tech Headlines was just me trying to find out how many people in the DTNS audience where I was promoting this survey knew about it and 67% said no, I only listen to DTNS 28% said yes, I listen to both and then there were a smattering of people who only listened to Daily Tech Headlines or did not know that Daily Tech Headlines existed but most of you knew about it. There was a small percentage who said no, I don't listen to either. How did I get into this survey anyway? Again, trying to be survey complete there. Brief news items before the top stories that's something I played around with like what if we did a top five head brief headlines like these are the things that are going on and then the top stories is more the current discussion that we have and then we have a longer topic. That might be too much but it seems like a lot of you like that. You like having a little one-liner when it's just like, hey Gmail updated so you can play video in the browser without having to download it. Isn't that cool? We don't need to have a big discussion about it but it's a good thing to know. Some people are confused by it because they're like, well why are you bringing it up if you're not going to talk about it? I don't understand the functionality. How are they any different from the top stories? They seem like brief items we won't talk about or explain but here's a headline. But that's all you need. I think that Gmail one is a perfect example. You can now play video embedded in Gmail instead of downloading the video. There's not much else to talk about. Is there? Am I wrong? I think part of it is because maybe not that story but there might be there have been a couple episodes where we have done kind of a where we do the pre-news news notice and you and whoever Justin or Scott or Patrick will talk about it a little bit more, which makes it seem just like like it's a top story. That's just us not executing very well. Maybe what that is. 100% of you responded you were ready. I'm very happy to hear that. That's great. How important is the recording time of DTNSTU? Because this is another thing I'd like to have is the flexibility to do what we did with Lertad. Patrick and I are talking to another guest that he had on the Phileus Club from well now I'm I'm blanking on where he is from. But he's to have him on to come on and talk about his experience in his country. But yeah, it's good to know that 84% of you think that the recording time is not important as long as you get one a day. And that would be the intention is that we still do five shows a week. Maybe we do like we did with Lertad where we do Monday through Thursday and then Saturday. We wouldn't do that terribly often. And also Roger and I have talked a lot about doing some guests as pre-records because it's the only way we can get them. Some guests we can't get or it's awkward to bring them into the live show and make pre-records for those. That's something we really would like to move forward on just because one of the issues at least with booking guests is time and not everyone has that same time window available to them and having more flexibility on that would allow us to widen our guest net, so to speak. Yeah. Include them in the show. A question about pre and post show being available in video and to patrons on audio but it was split into quarters. 29% enjoyed it occasionally. 27% say it's not important they could do without it. And that's why we have the regular podcast feed. 20% never miss it and 16% didn't know it existed. 7% think it's the best part of DTNS. That is about what I expected. In fact, I expected maybe more people to say it was not important than did. Yeah, no, it's a healthy amount. If you look at a little more than a quarter say that it's not they could do without it. But if you include the enjoy it occasionally with the never miss it, it's around 50%. If you include the best part of DTNS and all that, it's over 50%. So it's good to know that people are also very engaged with that part of our show because we've gotten emails or comments or questions regarding content or stuff that we've talked about either pre or post show of the actual DTNS episode. Here's what I'm actually not going to talk about a lot. What is the one thing you think would make DTNS better? Because besides Molly Wood, we didn't really get a trend. What are you talking about? Supercats? Cowbell? Yeah, but that's not a trend. That's what I'm saying. We didn't get a lot of people saying Supercats. No, we got things like, I think this part of the audio could be better. Or I wish that the RSS feed from Patreon worked better outside of iTunes. It was all over the place. So to me, that's good. There's lots of great ideas in here that will get me thinking and fine tuning. But it didn't seem like there was one that kept coming back unless did you think so, either you guys? Really, I just kind of locked in on more Cowbell. As you would. I like less flooding of Tom's basement. I think everyone would enjoy that. There's people like less politics and other people. Why do you avoid politics? Which makes me think we're probably hitting exactly the right line. Other than talking about FCC, stuff that actually impacts how we interface with tech. It's not like we go out of our way to be a C-SPAN analytics podcast. What is one of the things you hope DTNS never does? Stop and go away, take ads, quit, disappear. These are all heartening responses. Thank you. Jump the shark, cease to exist. Switching formats to the daily toner news show. I can promise you that won't happen. That would be jumping the shark. If we intend to jump the shark, that's the way we would do it. Yeah, this is almost all, this is where you see a ton of trends, which is don't stop and don't put ads. Don't sell out. In the very important question of should we give Sawyer the dog a biscuit, a dog ice cream cone, or a massage, or more time on DTNS to express the canine perspective, overwhelmingly 38% said more time on DTNS to express the canine perspective. We'll work on that. I do leave the door open now where he can come down. He has not deigned to do that. You may have heard him barking from upstairs. Anything else on the survey was mostly keep up the good work and thank yous. Those are very much appreciated and of course have we told you lately how much rock is good too. Obviously we didn't cover every single response on here or even a representative of every single response because a lot of them were very specific, but that gives you the gist of what we got and I can't emphasize enough how helpful it is when we do these surveys that you guys fill them out because it really is a gut check for us. It's not like we're going to only do what's in the survey, but there are certain things that I feel certain about doing and there are certain things that we as a team feel certain about doing, but those little things on the edge were like should we cut back on top story? Should we increase top story? Should we change the time? Those kinds of things are really helpful to take the temperature of the audience, so thank you for that. Any other thoughts on the surveys from you guys? Really? There was a lot of really good feedback and I think it's always helpful for me at least because it's the only way I can kind of get a gauge on the stuff we do and if we're doing it to the satisfaction of the audience or not. Also, because it's very easy to be very blinkered to get an idea of the topics that we are canvassing are ones that our audience is also interested in. Rich, anything else? I dropped off for a second, so I did not hear that last part of the conversation. Oh, sorry. No, I just wonder if you had any of the last thoughts on the survey before we. No, just, you know, it's awesome that everybody, you know, likes the show enough to give their time and give their opinion. Clay Clymer says, where can we rate the show outside of iTunes? He doesn't have an Apple ID. Wherever podcasts are listed, you can rate them in overcasts. You can rate them in downcasts. You can rate them in pocketcasts. Yeah, wherever you're listening to the show is where you can, where I would say it's helpful to rate it. Yeah, I think Google play whatever does like thumbs up. I'm not sure if they do stars. Yeah, you could thumb up on the YouTube, all kinds of places. All right, Howard wants us to add this day in tech history to the Daily Tech Headlines episodes. I would like to do that too, Howard. Here's the thing that makes it a little longer and not everybody likes it. I did an actual today in tech history podcast for a long time and it only ever got close to a thousand downloads and it declined over time. So I use the tech history on the weekends for Daily Tech Headlines to sort of keep something in the feed and keep it from repeating on the Amazon Echo and things like that, but I don't know. I know you would like that and I would like that, but it doesn't seem like as many other people like that. I wish we could figure out a good elegant way to roll that in. Maybe it should go into DTNS instead of Daily Tech Headlines. You do it at the top and then like, oh today in this tech history but what up and then you swing into the show. Yeah, that's something we could play around with. And it'd be easy to put on to the just the anchor feed if you just want to do that too. Right, that's true because then you can just skip right past it. I used it in the anchor feed on the weekends anyway, so yeah. For the single topics, Howard would like to have a couple of extra voices. He really enjoyed the episodes where Scott Johnson was asking questions and that forced really good explanations. I don't think that five minutes shorter really matters to daily listening. Those are all, those are Howard's thoughts. Teaglass 1976 suggested brownies might be in the other category for Pyre Cake. Rob O says, headlines banter on main stories guest topic. I think the recent Allison Sheridan FinTech episode was kind of the perfect episode for me where the guest dovetailed with current events. Yeah, that was very serendipitous. I would like to say that we kind of had a far-sighted planning for that. It worked out well for that episode. Howard also says, I like that Daily Tech headlines has a lot of quick hit stories and I almost think you could skip more of the less interesting stories at the beginning. I think he means of DTNS. But that really depends on the co-host Justin Robert Young always has interesting commentary about every story. So make sure to leave time for him to mention portal to hell, hashtag portal to hell. Rob O says, FOSS is really inside baseball and tends to be very technically siloed. That's a good point. FOSS being free and open source which if you didn't know is an example of what he's talking about. That doesn't mean I don't want to cover it but I want to cover it in a way that is interesting to the open source fans for lack of a better word but also accessible to the people who don't know because that is helpful to open source for people to say, oh I didn't realize that existed. I didn't realize that was an option. So I try to keep my eyes out for those kind of stories. Klee Klammer says, do you get analytics other than the total downloads? Sort of. I mean, honestly, what we pay attention to is the Patreon and the PayPal. Those are the two main indicators of how well we're doing. Total downloads from SoundCloud and archive.org and YouTube. We keep an eye on. They're of interest. But I wanted to repeat this explanation a little at some point and this is a good enough time. If you don't realize the way I imagine DTNS working is this. In a normal show that's advertising supported you're paying for the show by supporting the advertiser. So some of you get a free ride by not buying anything from the advertisers but enough of you are buying from the advertisers that it supports the show. And what happens there is a dollar you spend with the advertiser gets kept for the most part by the advertiser and they spend, they pass a small amount of your dollar along to the show. With this model that DTNS has we say, instead of you having to go support an advertiser to support the show and them keeping a cut of the money why not just cut out the middleman you can spend less money support the show directly. We won't have to take into account the interest of a third party that's not interested in the show they're just interested in selling to you and everybody is happier. There are still people who can free ride the show, right? It's the same model where not everybody is supporting the show directly but now you're supporting it directly instead of supporting the advertiser. So the important numbers to me are the Patreon numbers because of that. That makes sense? Yes, to me it does. It's interesting for the audience to say yes it makes sense. Howard says just FYI the show is probably one of the best, most consistently solid podcasts I listen to. Thank you very much Howard for by all means that's what we're shooting for so that's very nice to hear. Andy Beach thinks Daily Toner would make a hell of an April show. I kind of answered Steve Ice question I think. He asked what's more means more to your stats is there a platform which holds more weight yeah that's basically what I just answered Clee Clemmer says I didn't hear you say no to DTNS the musical. I will say probably not because unless you want to hear I don't know how many of us can actually sing well I mean anyone can sing but singing so other people enjoy it is a different matter entirely. Yeah I think that's that's fair the question is not would we say no what would you say please don't please stop well the other issue is I mean we're just gonna sing the book or is this gonna involve choreography in which case we need to change camera setups for sure well top-stuming you know does Daily Tech Headlines just become a libretto in that situation? Yeah I think well it just becomes like a jukebox musical where we just yeah we's hitting that could be that could be a goal we're gonna have to factor in singing that a milestone for the show if we hit a certain level we won't do DTNS the musical the musical sort of Damocles hanging over all listeners Kledothimer says the explanation of analytics versus advertising reminds me of broadcast versus Netflix in many in many cases it does although Netflix and broadcasters slowly kind of muddying the waters a bit especially broadcast as they some networks are trying to push into that kind of subscription model territory well maybe more radio versus Spotify since you can get it for free yes public radio I guess oh wait you're saying you're Spotify yeah oh right okay yeah but we don't have to pay a license fee to everyone anyone bonus yeah don't say I shouldn't say that suddenly tech meme and Google news will come knocking hello oh this is a good question Klee Kleimer by the way Klee Kleimer apparently stands for Cleveland Kleimer so another one of those there's a lot of elevation here so he has a lot of work cut out for is there no it's so flat yeah I was just thinking like aren't you at like seat like river I thought this was like a secret fact about Cleveland I was unaware of unimaginably flat isn't that what made that Cleveland or the the fire of the river even more threatening it's because back in 16 alright anyway yeah go ahead he wants to know what a podcast network is will you say you're part of the frog pants network what does that mean it seems like a common website where hosts are friends with each other is there something more Tom I I don't know that Scott even really knows what the frog pants network is exactly but yeah it's a bunch of us who want to help each other out so we don't frog pants doesn't necessarily want to be a network of the Scots thing frog pants number to Scots thing but he doesn't want it to be a thing where you have to be a member and you have to submit to Scots control he just wants it to be a thing where we all help each other out the kind of like what you're saying you know host or friends with each other and we help each other out so we promote each other shows we appear on each other shows and we have a central place where we can point everyone to say hey you know we're part of this network if you like our show maybe you like these other shows over here and Diamond Club is almost even harder to explain because Diamond Club is your network except it's not really a network but it is kind of a network which is all of us who are on Diamond Club are part of it but all of you who participate in Diamond Club are part of it and it's created and managed and developed by you by the people in the audience and granted folks like T2T2 it's Arjun Muffin Tenbeck and I shouldn't start naming names so they'll forget people who are very involved there's so many of them are sometimes seen as maybe ringleaders or organizers but they're seen as that just because they do something so pretty much anybody can get in there and start doing stuff and yet it's entirely separate for me I don't have anything to do with it if I want to do something on Diamond Club I have to go to those people and say hey would it be cool if I did this so that's something that I'm really proud of that that Brian and Justin and Andrew and I talked about when we first started doing these independent shows is let's have a central place where they can pull in whatever they want but they manage it, they run it and so that's even more independent of us any other thoughts on that? I want to know Robert Metis is frog pants is kind of like a good old fashioned link ring yeah on steroids I guess it's more than just a link ring everybody remembers web rings nobody remembers I totally remember that's the little thing at the bottom of the website go to the next show in the ring Andy Beach says I think frog pants is a very loose collection of podcasts whereas other networks are truly an organized group of shows that all are produced in a very similar manner so you sort of know what you're getting from show to show we don't have a format that everybody has to fit in on frog frog pants I'm old too Robert Metis Howard remembers web rings so does teaglass 1976 well it's a self selecting group here isn't it uh yeah let's see uh have you considered enabling youtube super chat is a question out of the rsc we started turning off youtube chat because we weren't looking at it and it was ending up just being a place where people were spamming and so if we couldn't moderate it my policy is if you're not going to be involved in something you shouldn't encourage it so we started turning it off and to turn it on to do youtube super chat which is where people can pay to get their chats elevated we'd have to turn that chat back on so I guess the short answer is no I think there's a reason to do super chat um everyone everyone seems to like the IRC so yeah I mean I don't get in there all that much but every time I do it's like a super awesome experience so and that's because people are in it and moderating it and you know invested in it uh text jeb says where is ace detect reading that stuff from it's from the analysts slack so that's the perk of the analysts slack is that you get to ask the questions on this analysts hangout show we should bring back web rings he loved them several people are typing in there it's a lot of web ring opinions what is the one changer improvement we can expect in the upcoming quarter for the show asks steve I what is what would be the one changer improvement we could expect a lot of it is what we've been talking about the idea of maybe some tighter shows maybe some some better selected I did better selected topics we're really working on coming up with topics that are different and interesting I think that's the challenge that I've said that that we want to set for ourselves right roger definitely I mean having having topics that are I wouldn't say unusual but something that we don't necessarily touch on but are just as interesting and just as impactful to the best of us I think is would be great and being able to do topics like that you know not all the time but enough so it does give a nice spread of ideas to various things that isn't necessarily surrounded by you know security with any kind of social media platform or you know technology or you know something that's a little I personally enjoyed the one with Annaly where we talked about basically fat grown tissue stretching growing human flesh on robots it's a fascinating topic because the end result could impact a lot of us especially those who require any sort of any kind of transplants or stuff like that it does spread open a potentially wide benefit to medical science yeah I want to find more topics like that that stand out and are perfectly legitimate interesting and fun to talk about security is one of the biggest challenges right because with security you very easily can be just covering the same thing over and over again but yet it's obviously very important people want to know more about it so how do you cover it in a way that's actually helpful useful and interesting that's the challenge there and often times I mean we kind of jump off those from a story regarding data breach that's what the news covers right is oh there was a data breach and so what you end up is me saying there was a data breach this is why you shouldn't worry too much because all the headlines are screaming at you to be afraid and I try to balance that with like there are reasons to be concerned I'm not trying to pretend they're not but I want to be a counterbalancing factor at which point then it just becomes repeating the same thing over and over again right exactly and that's kind of where we don't want to be necessarily but when you get five different media outlets with the same trending story even though the breach might have happened five years ago like well Steve I has a follow up how can we help with the refinement of the topics what do you need from us thank you just keep the feedback coming for one thing whether it's here in the slack like Steve I is or if you if you can't support us at the slack level in the IRC chat in the emails on the website letting us know what you think about topics is extremely helpful contributing to those topics I love when the guy wrote John about color and his experience with using smart livestock colors like that's the kind of stuff we want so if you if you're sitting there thinking like oh what I do is boring think about it again like if it's got technology and you don't hear us talking about it it may not be boring it may be that we just don't know what's happening so that helps and I am increasingly relying on the subreddit for interesting discussion topics the subreddit is somewhat helpful in deciding what goes into the top stories in the daily tech headlines I still look at it for that it's one of the signals but it's where we found a lot of these more interesting discussion topics that we found later so keeping those fun and interesting discussion topics not sensationalistic but but legitimately interesting and unusual topics that that's super helpful and if you could give examples of what you're talking about for example like oh can you discuss security about yada yada if you could give us an example like oh you know if you could talk about you know what ports close or whatever my router or any kind of good etiquette when it comes to say at the home network and things like or something like that where you can kind of flesh out so we're we don't potentially just take the topic but do maybe the wrong thing with it so yeah if you just like talk about routers like that that could lead us to talk about it in all kinds of different ways so if if you want to talk about routers what is the reason you want to talk about it or if it's internet of things what is the reason you want to Rich you were about say something too I think yeah if one of the things I'm trying to do with daily tech headlines and we've talked about this time is to try and bring in some more not unconventional sources but stories from places that we don't hear about as often I try and keep up on BizTech Africa I try and look at Nikkei for more Japanese and Korean focus news but I really don't have that great of resources for that so if there are great publications that are reliable and that have like focus tech coverage I really don't want to be reading like four or five Japanese newspapers every day or translations of that but if there are good sources for some unusual stuff I would love to put some more headlines and you know a lot of times right now we're going like you know Reuters reports that Israeli news is reporting that mobile I got sold or something like that so it's like I'd rather just go to the source so yeah when we can of course when we can't if the report was in Hebrew or Japanese and Reuters is the place where we can read in English we're gonna have to do that but yeah the more of those other sources we have the better or if it's in the information t-falstead says I understand avoiding politics but I'd love to see stories that reflect how tech is affecting society I feel that's what we are doing where we definitely talk about politics when it's actually tech and so when it's net neutrality when it's security policy or cybersecurity or encryption we talk about it when it's affecting society when it's sometimes I think and I'm not accusing t-falstead of doing this I think it's a legitimate suggestion but sometimes I think people want us to talk about their political issue and they're trying to come up with a tech angle to it right and that's the thing I try to avoid is you know what that really is just politics that really is just a diplomatic relations issue there's nothing technologically interesting about it isn't going to change how we live technologically it's not that effect so yeah so an example that I think t-falstead probably means that is legitimate is taking away jobs the automation effect on jobs and I think that's something we could cover more and cover better any news on Peter Wells says Klee Kleimer Peter is going to be in the US for the Samsung announcement and he tried to get me to come out to New York and hang out with him but I just couldn't do it but yeah he's working hard he still has plans to launch that independent Australian focused podcast and I believe he will so we'll give you any more news when we have more news but he's still working on it TeagleS 1976 tell me more about that later on he says I'd like an episode that dives into a lot of the legal stuff we've seen in the news lately with a legal expert and there are a lot of different things like that that we could dive into some of them would just be law episodes at which point go watch the second law would they do a great job covering that but I know there's a few of these things where the law regarding tech is a little fuzzy and that would be interesting anything else you guys how much for me War McGill says I think tighter shows are good as long as the pre and post stays organic yeah I agree what is the fantasy feature you would add to DTNS if money or logistics was not an issue I would like to do a show remotely from an international capital not every month but every quarter like DTNS on the road that would be kind of cool Jenny and I talked about in celebration of the fifth anniversary like what could we do because we're coming up on five years in a little bit and it's a ways off obviously we just celebrated three year anniversary so we're in our fourth year but when we get into the fifth year what do we do and one thing I would like to do is that kind of thing that kind of remote broadcast from from places where we have listeners right so wouldn't it be cool to go to Taiwan and hang out with Sean who helps us with our video feed just Sean no one else well no but you know what I mean you know what I mean like you know talk to Sean just anybody else who wants to come or go to Estonia see if T2T2 actually is a bot or a real human being if he'll let us he's just an old mainframe for a new purpose he's a cray his old excuse but yeah you know like come up with cool stuff that's a fantasy thing I totally agree any last thoughts from you guys before we wrap this up I have to say you know all the things I've worked on that TV web cable this audience is great there is a tremendous amount of constructive feedback I mean like on the other shows I used to where I would get feedback but it wasn't there were definitely constructive but that made up like maybe 50% of the comments I think the DTS audience is outstanding in being able to you know give to give out critiques but they give it and they explain what they mean and it's not just kind of it's like oh you know I didn't think that particular topic covered the actual situation you know an offer or whatever and I think it's great because we can't shape the show without your feedback Yeah 100% agree Rich anything else from you? No I would just echo that I mean again Daily Tech Adelines by its nature gets a little less feedback but everybody's been super constructive and helped make the show better Thanks everybody for all of that for helping out and enabling us to make this show which would not be here except for you for those of you who support us continue that support we appreciate it it means the world to us you've changed the way we can do things and I can't express that appreciation enough again if you like these hangouts they happen every three months not at exactly the same time we have to work around various schedules but you know every three months we try to do one of them if you are helping us out at the $20 a month level again that's a dollar a show then you'll get advance warning of when they're happening you'll get to have access to the Slack or the IRC but that's a perk that we give folks and everybody else can watch them on demand afterwards or send questions in advance by email at any time and we try to just keep you up to date on how it is we do the show what we're thinking about and all of that sort of thing so thanks again and we will see you on Monday with Veronica Belmont or the next show that you watch after you happen to stumble across this see ya