 And I do want to establish that we have our quorum. So I'll do a roll call. And then before I do that, though, I do want to remind the public that given the unprecedented circumstances resulting from coronavirus pandemic, Governor Baker did issue an order which gave us relief from provisions of the open meeting law. And this meeting will be conducted using remote collaboration technology problem. We'll go to our website and Katrina will give us guidance on that. So thank you. And we'll start with a roll call commissioner Cameron. Aye. Commissioner O'Brien. Aye. Commissioner Zuniga. Aye. Commissioner Stevens. Aye. I'm here. So we have established a quorum and we are calling to order the meeting today, public meeting number 77. Today is Wednesday, May 7th, it's about 10 o'clock and we'll get started with the approval of minutes commissioner Stevens. Sure. Thank you, Madam Chair. In your packet colleagues, you have the minutes of the May, excuse me, the May 13th, 2020 agenda setting meeting. I would move their approval subject to any corrections for typographical errors or any other non-material matters. Do we have any questions for commissioner Stevens? Ed, it's okay. Hearing seen none. Well, do I have a second? I'll second. Thank you. Commissioner Cameron. Aye. Commissioner O'Brien. Oh, commissioner O'Brien, you're just muted. But I could read that. Now my space bar didn't work to unmute me for some reason. Aye. Okay. Commissioner Zuniga. Aye. And commissioner Stevens. Aye. And I vote yes. I'll set on minutes and we'll start with our notes. Item number three, starting with our notes administrative update for we have courses on all of our agendas for meeting June 4th. Karen. Yeah. Good morning, everyone. I would suggest as usual, keeping that on. Okay. And can we plan on a good report on both reopening casinos and office? Yes, I think the, so what we probably want to decide though is whether you want a separate agenda item for the commission's approval of the COVID policy or guidelines that we've posed for the, for the licensees. So I was looking at the calendar. You know, I'm thinking, why don't we tentatively put that for the 18th? You know, we theoretically could do it a little earlier if we needed to, but that should give the casinos enough time. If we need to accelerate that, we could, but please put it on a hold for the 18th. Should we preserve time on maybe the 11th? Would it make sense to do it? I think that would probably be a better day because it gives everyone a little more time, but I don't know if we had a meeting schedule. I didn't want to be presumptuous. Well, while we're talking, maybe Jamie, I don't know if Jamie is necessarily, she doesn't necessarily on, but I can find out if that would work for us. But we'll put, let's tentatively plan on at least a meeting that week that would really focus on that. Does that make sense, commissioners? I think it does. I want to give people enough time. Right, and the fourth would be too early, but I feel like the 18th would be too late, right? The fourth wouldn't really work for you, right, Karen? I don't think so. We really want to get some best practices and get some information from the other casinos that are opening now. So we want a little bit of time to figure out what those lessons learned are in order to bring that to the commission. Sound good, Bruce. You all right with that? Yes, I am. Okay, good. Amike? Yeah. Thank you, and Eileen, I'll set. Okay, then we'll shoot for that week, the 11th, but we'll figure out a date that week, and I think that makes, and that's on the reopening of the casinos. What about office? So our office plans are continuing to proceed and working in conjunction with the guidelines from the governor's office for executive agencies. So that seems to be going fine. I think why don't we keep an update for the fourth? I believe that's the next meeting. And then at that time, we can decide whether you need some more information because right now the plan is, only essential folks would be needed. And so we have no need to open our Boston offices right now. So it is not as if we need to have everything set to go to reopen the Boston offices before the casinos open. Okay, so maybe just in the update, you would, and we could. We could. And also, I've been meeting with the group and also commissioner Cameron and commissioner Stevens. So they'll be able to, if they want to chime in on where we are, we could put an agenda item on the fourth, if you'd like them to be included, I'll defer to the commissioners to see how they want to handle it. Yeah, because I think that might be helpful just to educate everyone on what the executive offices are recommending so that the commissioners can chime in, maybe make it an item. Gail, what do you think? I like that idea. And I do think our staff really needs an update as well. It's really important that staff members I've talked to have asked me, hey, what are we hearing about the office and commuting and all those things? And so I do think the fourth would be appropriate and we could, yeah, I would love to say some things. And I know Bruce has had direct input as well. So that would be helpful. Enrique? Yeah, I think I agree. I think we should at least hear some preliminary plans. There is the potential for incremental costs. And I know a lot of it is in a state of flux in terms of what it might look like and therefore how much more it would cost. So at some point, I don't know, I would be ready for the fourth. At some point, I think we need to contemplate what those incremental costs might be. So to the extent that we would know some of those costs or be able to assess, that would be part of that discussion. Yeah, that or a future discussion. The point is that... Oh, you froze on me, okay? That's funny. We haven't seen you freeze, but you have frozen. He wanted us to hang on his word. And we are. I'm guessing that the point is that it may be evolving, but the idea would be to at least on June 4th, include an update that will be part of the agenda and not just the administrative update, not to minimize the administrative update, but it allows for more voices. That makes sense. Okay, excellent. All right, I'm really hoping that we, I'm gonna ask Mr. Grossman, do we have a legal issue if Commissioner Zuniga stepped away? No, he's probably gonna just join a freeze. So I think we can continue. We have our call on. So moving, anything else, Karen, for administrative update? I don't think so. I mean, that's the crux of what we're dealing with right now so I can see as we go and things are happening. So there may be some other matters before the 4th, but I can just add it at that time. Good. Mr. Grossman, regulations. Yes, good morning, everybody. Thank you, and I'll fill Commissioner Zuniga in separately on this one, but we do have one request. This comes by way of the Horse Race Committee. It pertains to a potential amendment to the regulations that govern the Race Horse Development Fund. So that's section 149.04. As you may be aware, and we'll certainly discuss further, and I'll invite Commissioner Cameron and Dr. Lightbaum to join me for this part of the discussion. It's helpful. The Horse Race Committee has been reviewing a new approach to determine the distribution percentage, which is otherwise known as the split of funds to be distributed between the two breeds, Thunderbird and Thoroughbred, from the Race Horse Development Fund. There's a regulation in place, the one I referenced that discusses it, but really only allows for the split to be conducted in the present way or the so-called old way. And the proposed amendments to these regulations would give the committee and ultimately the commission flexibility to perform the split either way, which gives the committee and the commission the ability to make sure funds are distributed a little bit more precisely. And so the committee is actually scheduled to discuss this further next Wednesday, the day before the commission meeting, but it would be helpful if we could place this on the commission's agenda in the event the committee recommends an amendment to the regs. And I can certainly fill all the commissioners in individually in the next week or so as to the ins and outs of this proposal prior to next Thursday. But it would be teed up for next Thursday? If possible, it's a timeliness issue in that when racing commences at Plain Ridge, we'll wanna make sure the split is in place. And so there have been some concerns raised about not having this in place prior to that. And historically there have been issues with splits being determined after the racing season has commenced. So if the commission is amenable to this and if the committee elects to make this recommendation, it may be helpful to at least tee it up for review on Thursday and perhaps even emergency adoption just so you have that option before you. Gail? Yeah, I think having the option is a good thing because I am wondering if the committee makes a decision on Wednesday if Thursday is enough time to get all the commissioners briefed on the rationale. So I think that may be possible if it isn't too complicated, the decisions of the committee and I can only speak as one committee member. But I think the option to have a vote is a good thing and if the commission needs more information or more time, we could push it two weeks which I still think would be before racing and before the committee actually makes a decision on the split. Well, I'm fine with adding that in but we'll just jump out of line our queue a bit but want to return to us but I do want to add for June 4th an update on horse racing. I'd like to understand what other standard bread tracks are doing, I understand they are opening around the country. I'd like to understand what we're doing about timing. I know that there was a short, short discussion on extending to an uncertain time and I think we need to revisit that, need to understand about what it would take to reopen at Plain Ridge with respect to what PPC would do, what we have to do and what the horse community would have to do to prepare the animals and to be ready. And then I'd like to go over also the plans, Gail you had asked for that on the health and safety plans and they did submit, but we didn't really discuss that and I have felt that we didn't, I know we made that decision, it seems like months ago but it was only a couple of weeks ago but we need to revisit that as the horse community does start to engage without fans in other parts of the country. Do you agree Gail? Oh absolutely, I think standard bread is certainly behind thoroughbred and a few have times to open but it's not a great percentage but yes, it is time to talk about it, we do wanna be responsive. So we'll get to that Alex, I know it was under review under this but we'll want to bring those up and then we'll have to carve out time next week I think for that because it will already be June 4th. Yeah, that would be wonderful. Okay, excellent. Probably you were thinking the same thing. Okay, good. So that would also probably give more context to the regulation discussion as well. All right, but what we could do is, as Gail suggested, put it on for the 4th at least to preliminary discuss what happened on Wednesday and then if we have to, we would have that extra meeting as well maybe if we needed to act which would give you another week. I don't wanna start piling on to that meeting though. Okay, great. All right, good, thank you. Karen, does that make sense for you? Karen? Yes, that's fine. Okay, good. Alrighty, any other regs, Todd? No, that's it for now, thank you. And I'm sure it's all gonna be very clear. Crystal. Okay, complicated, complicated. Number three, please. I'll set for the 4th. I think so, yeah. I agree, we're prepared. Excellent, I'm looking forward to it. And do you know how much time we should allocate? Marianne will probably appreciate that. Half an hour, Max? Max. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be a long discussion. And I think you think we need a vote for this? Well, I know the last time we talked about it, the other commissioners were gonna be brief. I don't know what the status of that is. I think the other commissioners stated in the interim. Yeah, is Carrie on? There she is, the unveiling. I think, I thought that this was, so this had been on the agenda in March and we were ready to go, we got bombed when everything started happening. And I think the plan then had been to just have an initial discussion and then potentially a vote the next time. So I thought that was what we were doing again. We had actually then been on for last Thursday and then we decided that with everything with the modern report, et cetera, it was too full of a day, so we bumped it out. So the question really is if the briefing is sufficient to vote on the fourth and we can, otherwise we can bump it out two weeks. It's not time sensitive, so either scenario works. So we have Mora from outside council joining us for the meeting. So I wouldn't need to notify her and she's available for the next meeting. I would check both dates then with her, with Mora and then see which one works. Okay. And could we schedule those two by twos? However, we're going to do those briefings as well. And Carrie would be conducting those. So are we talking about, because we had done two by twos before the March meeting and the commission hasn't yet had a conversation about this, that would have, the conversation that would have occurred in March. So is it just a refresher, the two by twos? Is that what we're saying? I guess any commissioner that was not part of living it live can ask to be refreshed. Otherwise we can just move forward. Right. Maybe it's just, if you could ask each commissioner if they would like to be briefed, perhaps recirculating the document now would be helpful. And then if you check in, and I'm sure it would probably be all of a half an hour, troop D and Carrie, perhaps you would do that unless you need Mora. But I guess perhaps the first step would be to confirm that she is available if you want her there for June 4th. Okay. Sounds good. Excellent. Okay. Moving on to item number four. Derek and Amike, the budget. Is the Derek on? I'm here. Do you want to speak a little bit to that? Good morning. Good morning. So we have our meeting with the licensees tomorrow to discuss our current budget estimates and for this coming meeting on the 4th, I really see it as a conversation to see what they bring back as far as discussion. We'll have a short document that lays out what our recommended funding is compared to the previous year, but it won't be the deep dive because we won't have been able to really take the recommendations from the licensees like we normally do work with senior staff and figure out what we can and can't do, but we will bring all their comments back to the commission regarding what they thought of our first cut and what it looks like at a high level. Amike. Yeah, that sounds good. And then we're still, we tried to have a second or a subsequent discussion at a later meeting, maybe for a potential vote and more of that detail. Yeah, we have it. That's the vote scheduled for the 18th. Right. Correct. Hopefully on the 4th, we can have the discussion because you won't see the details on whether you wanna have that vote on the 18th or have the 18th be a meeting where we give you the traditional package with updates that we were able to implement from the staff of the licensee recommendations and then come back at the next meeting in July for a vote after you've had a couple of weeks to review the material and get some public comment. Oh, sorry if I misunderstood. Okay, so we should probably think about our first July meeting is July 2nd, correct, Marianne? Sorry, yes, July 2nd. And that should give us some time. I saw a mark pop in. That should give us some time to get some clarification around the research and responsible gaming budget too. Yeah, we're having a meeting on that today actually, later on this afternoon. So all these things coming together. Yeah, a lot of moving pieces right now are pulled together for a package by the fourth, just it's more, it's gonna be a discussion with the high level memo. And that's fine. One of the things that's gonna be, I mean, I'm not uncovering anything new here is that there's, even though the budget is gonna sound, it's gonna seem very much in line with last year, there's items that have decreased that we were managing because there's been some incremental costs, some of which we cannot, we don't control. So that's the gist of the detail. And, but it's just to follow the procedure that we've always followed, getting that feedback and detailed discussion with license CDC is the next step. So I think we're all, we'll be all set for that schedule with the additional July 2nd meeting. Yes, the short of it is we're all set. Thanks. Can I just say there's no vote? No vote for the, on the four, okay. And likely, yeah, and likely no vote on the 18th unless the commission wants, has enough information from the meeting on the fourth to say we'll see the packet and vote on it on the 18th. We can evaluate that. It's always okay to reserve it, but. By the way, did we decide, and I'm sorry I cut off when I was talking last time, but did we decide that there's a June 11 meeting? And if so, could the 18 then turn into the 20 something? The 25th? No, we're still gonna stick to, the June 11th will just be an extra meeting to go over reopening for the casinos. Okay. So we'd go from June 4th for budget to June 18th for budget to July 2nd for budget. Okay. But you did, we didn't get a chance to go back to the point you were making, Enrique. I was trying to think of something funny that I could say that we assigned you in your, well, in your absence, but I can't come up with anything right now. It was actually, I thought the worst possible time to turn off is when you're talking over in these meetings. Yeah, because there was a good frame and Derek had a great line. Derek said, he's left us, he wanted to leave us hanging on his words, so. I shut myself up in some weird reason. No, I actually had, just in case people are curious, I had a number of files open on VPN and I went out and closed those and I was able to instantly. Oh yeah, you were competing, sure. I was competing with myself. Enrique, your point though that you were making was that you were raising the fact that with return to office work, cause we are all working very hard. Now, outside the office, there are likely incremental costs associated with particularly the cleaning, which would need to be heightened during this time and other costs. And so, Derek is working on the reopening of the offices. So that may have to be incorporated into the budgetary considerations as we figure out the reopening. But that's why it's important to have that comprehensive discussion because costs may be rising and we may need to think about all of that, right? Yeah, no, it's an important thing to consider. As we discuss how many people, what flexibility, if anything, et cetera. So, and that discussion means that your budget is going to have to also reflect those new costs, right, Derek? Will you be bringing that up with the licensees tomorrow? So we haven't really gotten straight guidance. I mean, other than as many people that can stay home should be staying home. And that's like until phase four of the governor's reopening plan and the executive branch as well as, they're recommending that for the quasi and the independents that are participating too. But there will be some in-person services that have to happen. And for those to happen, we are required to have the appropriate sanitization, the appropriate supplies, and the supply chain is broken right now. So the cost of these supplies has really gone up dramatically. We were working with the building on what the appropriate sanitization would be. At first, coming out of these working groups, it was at least four times. Through our contract right now, it's twice. So we would have to pay for two more in the high touch areas. So Joe and I are trying to get a price on that, trying to get a price on what's appropriate. And then is it four if you have 25% capacity or is it four for full capacity? And then you've got the cost. If you do have a actual case of COVID-19 in the office, you have to shut down and do a full deep cleaning. And these guidelines are coming out and through these working groups. So we'd love to share with staff, but we really don't have the finalized stuff yet because everyone's trying to work through it. And the price we got from the building for that is over $5,400 per instance. So, as you start adding those up, you can see why the guidance is to keep as many people home as possible if they can do their jobs from home. But we'll have that for you. And in the updates, we haven't built those into the budget yet just because we have supplies built in and we boosted up the supply line a little bit. But as far as additional lease costs for the cleaning that the building would have to do, we haven't done that because we don't have a final number or a final number of cleanings, additional cleanings that would be required. That's really helpful. It's also helpful for me to hear. I'm not sure if others knew that it was actually phase four. So that's helpful. And then secondly, I wanna make sure other commissioners ask any questions of you, Derek, but I think just raising it tomorrow with your meeting with the licensees that this is, of course, a fluid discussion is probably fair to put them on that that's an alert. And like I said, those discussions may change as these working groups change and as new information comes out. But right now with all the additional costs, the precautions to get into buildings, getting people over, transportation, adjusted schedules, queuing to get up into elevators. It's rather daunting. Well, we're lucky that we have integrated in with that resource through HRD because it would have been really complex. So good work. All right, any more questions for Enrique and Derek on budget and for anything for tomorrow's discussion of the licensees for them? Okay. Alrighty, moving on to the enhanced ethics update. I'm working on my revisions. I know Todd's worked on his with Bruce. A June 18th probably, I had hoped to impose that on myself is probably optimistic. So I would like to at least move it to, I'm gonna say June 25th is Community Mitigation Day. It's gonna, it would take some time to go over. So if we could have July 2nd, that would be great. If Bruce and Han think that's okay. There's no other way to kick off July 4th. I think that makes sense. Kathy, I think you skipped over item number five. Oh, I did. I'm so sorry. Cause I, you know, I saw budget year. So sorry. So budget item number five on Jill. Thank you, Bruce. Good morning, everybody. Executive Director of Mass Cultural Council, Anita Walker is all set to update you on the two programs that are a result of the Casino Revenue, Casino Mitigation Grants and a new Safe Harbors Program which is a program in light of the cultural organizations and the challenges that they have faced during COVID-19. So I think- We got her scheduled for first thing. Does that still work for Anita? Yes, thank you very much. Good. And I'm sorry. I looked at budget, discussion budget year. So now item number six, budget year 2021. We have that scheduled for the 18th for our vote. And that was what we just discussed. I don't know, I guess we just used a different, but it means for discussion year vote, but we'll just keep it discussion. Yep. And then- And then the July, early July for the final vote. And we should call that the final, the budget year 2021 vote. Okay. In early July. Not sure for July 2nd, but it's really a three-part discussion. We can just use the same. My eye went over it. Okay. Number seven, we just dealt with number eight. We're starting in with our Community Mitigation Fund presentations. This would be group one and we've got it down for a vote. Joe and Mary? Yes, and actually, before we go into Community Mitigation Fund, I just wanted to add one item in for the 18th meeting. We wanted to have something on for the PPC re-licensing. So, you know, because as- Joe, did you need it for the fourth? I'm sorry, I should have asked that. Actually, I thought maybe just in the administrative update, I can give two minutes because we're expecting a big tranche of information on June 1st. And we'll have had an opportunity to go through that and saying, all right, you know, they're making progress. We're expecting the final tranche of information on the 15th of June. So on the 18th, we'll hopefully be reporting that they've submitted everything that we need. And then at that point, we can have some kind of a vote and I'll have to work with Todd on what that vote's gonna look like, you know, to say that the application is sufficient and so on. And then we'll wanna work on a schedule for final approval, you know, for public hearings, et cetera, et cetera, on the license renewal. So if we can get a line item in there for the 18th, because I think we'll need to take some action on the 18th since there's a meeting. Madam Chair and Joe, this is Loretta. If I could jump in a moment. At the last meeting, we also spoke about a request coming from PPC regarding the renewal fee, a request to adjust the timing of the payment of the fee. I spoke with PPC yesterday. That request is going to come forth with. I wanted to check on any statutory requirements, attorney growth, and I had that conversation yesterday afternoon. So my suggestion is that you put that item on the agenda for the fourth. Okay. I believe it would require a vote because the payment of the fee is now a prerequisite for the completed application. So we'd wanna work our way through that as we move forward. So why don't we have on the fourth then a separate item, Joe, you can do your quick update. And then we'll move into the request regarding the fee. And then we can recognize at that time that we'll be taking action on the 18th. We'll need to take action on the 18th. If you needed more time, we can go up to the 20, is that the 23rd or could we go on the 24th even? 24th, I think is technically the expiration date. It would be so be midnight. Yeah, so we would wanna be no later than 23rd. Correct. All right, so that would give us a little cushion for anything that we couldn't address on the 18th. And I think the commission can say, if we had one or two things that were missing, that were forthcoming, we could still determine the application was sufficient potentially and saying, hey, we're gonna get that in a week or two or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, but at least if by the 18th, that if we really had something that we said, but we really want this wrapped up before the 24th, we'd have a little bit of a cushion, which I like, just gives us that time. Okay, so the fourth, Karen, does that work? Yeah, yes, that's fine. Okay, anything else on the, Todd, on relicensing anything else that you could think of? All set? We're all set? Yes, yes, I think that's fine. The IB does have one other item for the fourth, a quick item, a determination of suitability for an MGM qualifier. MGM? Yes. I'm sorry that I jumped on without asking everybody on the June 4th out of rhythm. So, Marianne, were you able to get that okay? I see you nodding your head. Is there any other item from any other division staff member for the four? I just wanted to, are we going to go ahead and put something on that agenda on the fourth for reopening of Plain Ridge? Yes. Okay, great. I thought the items, we can talk about it more precisely. This looks like a pretty long meeting that we're developing now, but we need to get this work done. Yes, and Penn has come up with their plan and they've sent it, distributed it to me and to the horsemen. So there's a new draft document that we can discuss at that time. And I'd like to really discuss timing because I don't know if others feel like I do but I'm uncomfortable with it being so uncertain right now. So, good. June 4th, Gail? Yes, that's appropriate. Okay, excellent, Alex. Thank you so much. Thank you. That will be a comprehensive discussion. We're going to get to a lot of your items under review. Maybe most of them will come up into the June 4th agenda, Alex, but that will be on June 4th. Any other item for June 4th? Okay, now moving on to the 18th, community mitigation, back to you, Joe and Mary. Okay, yeah, we're on target right now. We just started our evaluations this week and we have a pretty intense schedule of meetings over this week and next week. It's my target to try to get information to you folks by the 12th, by the Friday, because, you know, as you probably remember from years past, it is quite voluminous. And so I'd like to get you, even if I don't get you the whole thing on that Friday, I want to get you at least a quick chunk of it so you have a little extra time to review that. So putting the pressure on myself to get it done. So logistically, I'm going to ask the question. I'm sure that all of us commissioners are thinking about, I've only done this once before, but the documents were in paper form in a big, big, big, big, big notebook. Harike is smiling because I think that Jamie says one of her best tricks was when she said, oh, when you close the book and said, I read them all. And Jamie said, oh, but that was last year's. It took me a year to read them. How commissioners would you like to receive this documentation because are you going to be comfortable if it's electronic? In my opinion, the memo that used to come in the beginning, which was some 20 pages, but it was a fantastic summary. A lot of the documentation that follows is a lot of details that back and forth information with questions and that we, I think we have to be able to rely on the team, the procurement, the evaluation team. So I think I would put that as an optional, maybe consult it online on the share drive or certainly electronically, but in my mind, those are two very different sort of documents. Yeah, I think last year we did streamline the process. Two years ago, it was extremely unwieldy with the amount of information that was out there just because there was so much. Last year we did do what we call the summary memo, which was still a lengthy document, but it captured everything. So what we may end up doing here is sort of two summary memos, one for the first part and one for the second part. I said, I'm not sure I'll have everything done for the 12th, but I want to get as much to you as I can so you have that to look at. And then what we can do is defer to Mary on this, but I think we can set up something in the share drive where we can put all the backup documentation and make sure everyone has access to that so that when you're going through the summary memo, if there's something that doesn't feel quite right about it or whatever it is or you want to delve deeper into that particular subject matter, we can set up probably a folder maybe for each project or I'll work with Mary on what that'll look like, but my thought is if we had a folder for each project that you could go into and then look at the particular backup documentation for that individual project, that might be the easiest way to do it. Mary, any thoughts on that? Yeah, that's pretty much how the files do get set up eventually, so we've got the basics already set up for that. Usually what we do on the first meeting is we put in a packet the requests for supplemental information and the licensees responses. The commissioners have already received all the applications and they've been posted on our website. We'll additionally be posting the response letters and the supplemental information requests. Trying to think. So the applications are on our website. I know that we've been getting the emails, it just would be probably a little bit harder for each commissioner to gather all that together, but they could go online for the applications themselves on the website. Maybe that's just an email for sort of pointing us to the right direction will be helpful for that guidance. The summary will be, I like the idea of the summary and then being able to go to the shared drive for backup, but if it's already online, don't shift it to the shared drive as long as we know where to find it, the applications. Yeah, so we can put the majority of the information right on the website so that any information we've received will be up there from the comment letters we received and everything else. In the summary memorandum itself, we put prior, before the analysis, we do put the response letters from both the licensees and mass DOT. So that'll already be in your memorandum. We also, generally we do not vote at the first meeting. We wait until we've done all the applications. And the reason being, especially this year, is there's gonna be a lot of deliberation regarding, especially on region one, because the requests have been so much more than what we actually have to distribute. Excellent point. So Mary Ann, what we can do is, with respect to budget and community mitigation, maybe have actually enumerate number one, number two, so it's a continuing discussion for our notes going forward, that we would just have the vote at the end. If community mitigation spills into a third meeting, we'll have just the vote at the end. Yeah, I think I would like to maybe reserve some time on July 2nd, just in case. We have 37 applications to go through, which is at least 50% more than we had last year. So everything goes nice through, but we just never know. I think that's really smart. And also it's just harder when we do things virtually. So to concentrate. And the truth of the matter is, my fellow commissioners, is that we can take a break from a virtual meeting too. So if we have a long one, let's just agree that if you need a break, you can immediately chat and we can do that or we can plan on a break too in our agenda. So I welcome that input from you now, or as you look at the agenda is going forward. Even if it's a break. Yeah, maybe the community mitigation review might be the first ones where we structure that, or at least plan on a break after a couple of hours. Somebody may need to make a fluffer nutter for their kindergarten. Oh, just so everyone's aware, I have to hop off for part of the 18th anyway. We've got a fifth grade virtual graduation late morning lunch. So I'm going to be missing a chunk of time around 11 and 12 30 ish anyway. So. Okay, so, well, let's think about that when we order it. When we... Yeah, I was going to say, if there's some of the smaller things you vote up, we could front load those to make sure I'm there. Mary Ann, can we call my commissioner, Brian, on that? So from 11 to 12 30, we'd be glad to have that. That's what we've been told to hold. We're not 100% sure, but that's what we've been told. Okay. On the 18th? On the 18th. Can we attend? I don't believe so. I think it's going to be very closely zoom controlled. Yes. But I can tell you all about it. Well, we'll look for that update. That can be at the end of the meeting your commissioner update. Okay. Cause I don't think you'll want to miss a lot of the community mitigation because that builds on the dollar. So we'll work around that. The PPC renewal vote too. So that I would be, depending on how concise that is, that would, I would want that front loaded if it's possible. At the beginning before you leave. Got it. Right. Okay. Joe and Mary, can you work with Mary Ann just to estimate, once you have a chance to think about the amount of time. And then what we might do is, is start and then break for commissioner O'Brien and for ourselves. And then if we return to some of our more succinct matters and commissioner O'Brien's absence, and then if we need to finish up the community mitigation at the end, that would be okay. Yeah, that works for me. I mean, I've, I've got my whole day open around commission meeting. So great. Great. And just, you know, in terms of structure, we'll just try to be, you know, really careful that it makes sense for us. Okay. In terms of just being able to keep track of the details. Anything else on number eight? And so that will be part one of three. Okay. Then Mark on forms of gambling paper. Hi, good morning. That's not a great description of what will be presented on the 18th. So our Sigma team has published a article in an academic journal, DMC Public Health. And the title of that article is gambling formats, involvement and problem gambling. It uses the baseline general population survey data as well as the baseline online panel. So two surveys that were yielded before the opening of casinos. But it specifically focuses on forms of gambling, which types of gambling are more closely correlated with risky gambling. I think it sounds like a great presentation and an important topic. So that journal is, the article has been published and I will go ahead and forward that to the team. And will that journalist be presenting it? Or will you be presenting it Mark? Dr. Bulbert will be presenting. It's one of the principal investigators on. Oh, okay, great. And then you'll coordinate with Marianne in terms of scheduling. Correct. So we're gonna have the budget, community mitigation and Mark's presentation. Any other, and then PPC relicensing discussion, anything else on the 18th? Did I miss anything, Marianne? Those four items? No, I think PPC renewal. That will require, we'll put vote for the 18th on PPC renewal. We will have just a few days in case there's something outstanding. And then those items, anything else from anyone, from the members of the staff or Karen for the 18th? How's that? Okay, good. If you can just, everyone work with Marianne because we do want to accommodate commissioner O'Brien. Moving on to a number 10 now. That's scheduled for June 25th. We'll keep a vote off at this point because I suspect we'll want to go on to July 2nd. If we need to attach a vote, if we get ahead, we'll make sure to include it in the agenda. But that would be part two of three. Okay, number 11. That's a total mitigation meeting. It's a second of three. Right. And it's just mitigation. There's nothing else on there. Yeah, that's correct. That meeting is just dedicated to community mitigation fund, which is why we're hopeful we will get through it. You know, that I think. Oh, that's right. It's a seven days. Yeah, thank you. So I mean, it's really gonna come down to I mean, how long the presentations go on and how many questions and answers there are and how comfortable you folks all feel about, you know, how long you want to go with the thing. Like I said, I've got the whole day booked, so. That's right. And I can talk forever on community mitigation. Mary's smiling. So I'm not sure how much time we've put on June 25th for the commissioner's calendar. I know that we probably have limited it because of the idea that just virtual is difficult, but maybe if we did two hours in the morning with a break and then two hours in the afternoon or three hours in the morning with a break and then another hour and a half in the afternoon, let's just see how we do Joe. But we should put them. We'll just keep July 2nd, you know, loosely. Yeah, my thought was that July 2nd is just, I just wanted to have a little time reserved there just as a fallback in case we didn't get done. Well, and also in case we have questions from our June 25th that you need to follow up on, I think that's what I'm wondering about. Hey, Joe and Mary and Cathy, have you figured out the order or the grouping of the ones, the requests that we're gonna see at different days, it's just that there are some that are a lot more straightforward in my mind and others that are a lot more of a judgment call. You know, we haven't really thought about that, but just I think a little bit maybe on the first day we might wanna do a lot of the easier ones just to sort of ease into the process a little bit and because there's a number of other things on that agenda for that day. And then that leaves us on the second meeting, dealing with some of the more difficult ones or some of those ones where we know we are physically constrained on what we can give out and there's gonna be a little bit of back and forth on who gets the money and who doesn't get the money. And that's gonna be, probably those are gonna be a little bit difficult discussions at points in time, I would imagine. So I think that's at least my initial thoughts is let's try to do the easy stuff on day one and then tackle some of the tougher stuff on day two and then that leaves us a third day if we really need it. Okay, yeah, sounds good. Okay, so June 25th is not a regular day. I'm remembering that, thank you, Marianne. And so no more item on June 25th, but we are into July 2nd. We have, right now, Marianne, if you can remind us, right, for July 2nd, we have the ethics, we've got any mitigation? Any mitigation, yep. The budget year, 2021 vote. Yep, that would be the final vote. And then, that's it. So we'll go through what's under review and starting with the use of delinquency info. This is a discussion, Todd, with respect to potential change in the regulation or clarification in the regulation. That's right, you'll recall it came up as a part of a public comment in the sealed record section. It's just a placeholder at the moment. I don't believe it's time sensitive, so we can just keep it under review for now. Okay. But it's not necessarily even, it's mainly for discussion as opposed to a regular. It's a policy discussion, yes. It is, yeah, okay. Jill, workforce development grant update number 12. We could actually take this off the list. Off the list, I don't have any updates at this time. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Number 13, number 14, number 15, number 16, number 17, Alex. Yeah, if we could either put those maybe on the 18th or I guess the other possibility would be beginning of July. It's the 25th, not a, that's filled with. We've got horse racing on for June 4th now, right? Right. Are any of those items appropriate for June 4th? I mean, we could possibly do the recognition of the standard bed owners. You know, that's just gonna be a brief presentation. The other items are all things that would come up when, you know, closer to when they're going to reopen. And some of them may change because, you know, when they, I'm not sure if the same racing officials are gonna be available that they put on back in March. So can I ask this question, if it turned out that horse racing, we're starting sooner than later, would we be behind to not have addressed 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 earlier? It depends on what you mean by earlier. I mean, those items can all be, as long as they're done a week or two before we open, they're, we're fine. You just need that much. Okay, that was really, I could have asked it that way. How much runway? Number 13 asks about requesting to race in the Finger Lakes in New York. Is that still a live issue? It's still a live issue. We've been in discussions with them about where they wanna do the races and they're just not ready at this point to bring it forward. So, go ahead. No, I'm sorry. Alex, any big changes on the racing officials? Item number 14, is that the thing? I don't know that there are any because that was a list that was done in March and I'm assuming that their officials are coming back just like I'm assuming our seasonal staff will all be available when we do reopen. But as you know, right now, Steve O'Toole is furloughed and Chris McElaine is doing the stuff at the higher level as far as trying to come up with the reopening plans and everything. So, I don't know if once they get closer to reopening and they hire their seasonal staff back if Steve will have some changes to that or not. So... This is why this is an important conversation for the fourth because I'm not really sure if I understand exactly who's driving the bus here. So, in terms of does the horse community and the racing community wait for PPC to make its decision on the casino reopening or are they independent? Or could they be or are they combined? And so I'd like to understand that better because the fact that somebody is furloughed shouldn't be what, you know, what really informs our decision-making. We really wanna understand what should, what the right policy and decision is regarding when horse racing should start. So I'm looking forward to the discussion to understand that interplay between PPC and the horse community and there may be legal considerations, Todd. I think Karen may have raised it with you. It's a question as to, I know that there's a condition to the license and I just wanted to understand that more in more detail. So... Yes, and they're around the country, they've been different. Of course, you'll have to look at what happens in Massachusetts and what's appropriate here, but around the country, there's been all different scenarios. There's been somewhere, it was tied with the casino. There was times when it was gonna open after the casinos and there's been times when they opened before the casinos. Right. Of course, we have to look at the guidance from the governor's office. That's exactly what we're talking about. We have that overriding. Then my question would be is the opening of the track tied to the reopening of the casino or could they be separate? That's really, it's both a question in terms of health and safety of all involved, but also I think a legal question. And it's an economic question. Well, then that's interesting to me that you said it's an economic question because I'm not sure if the economic, I assume it's economic question for all. Correct. Yeah. So let's start with June 4 and get fully informed. Gail, do you have anything closer to this than I am? I'm asking a lot of questions mainly because I feel a little bit, I just wanna be further informed. You're asking because it lets me know that all the commissioners are not clear on the dynamics here. And they are, frankly, unprecedented. So there's not a clear roadmap, but I think the more we talk about it, the more information we have, the better informed we will all be. So our decisions will be with the best possible information. Do any of the other commissioners have any questions they wanna make sure are addressed on the fourth with respect to horse racing? And I can get back to Alex and Gail, of course. Anything further? Eileen, you've mentioned the Finger Lakes that seems to be evolving, but we wanna know about that to the extent also that plays into the purse discussion. Right. The purse discussion is scheduled for the fourth as well in terms of the regulation that Todd proposed. So, okay. Thanks, I appreciate it. Can I just confirm, are we putting the standard owners of the masks on for the fourth or no? The recognition request? I think what we can do is get back to you as to how to frame out all the agenda for horse racing. But right now, I think you'd like to keep pretty much everything that's under review, Alex, under review. Yeah. But there'll be some of those more, just really to understand the decision-making on June 4th. Excellent. Okay. Getting through, guys. Am I right? Number 18, Game Sense Impact Report. Elaine and Mark and Teresa. Yeah. So I think both of these are on track to be presented in July. I don't think the first meeting in July, but perhaps the second meeting in July, we could go ahead and assign a date to it. Well, that's fine. I just want to also point out that, as everybody knows, Elaine Driscoll has exciting prospects and they'll be happening. She's not, I don't see her right now, but is it possible that she would be able to be part of the discussion in June, given her work on this? Sure, no, actually it's my full intention that Elaine, that we cover this before Elaine's departure. And so maybe I'm just not fully aware of what that date is, but absolutely I'd like to get this rolled out before then. Okay, so let's just say it's either the 18th or the 25th is a special date. So we're looking at trying to squeeze it into our busy 18th day. And if necessary, we would shift it to the 25th so that she could be included. The 25th of July? She, her last, I'm speaking for Elaine because if she couldn't speak for a while, I just don't see her popped up right now. I believe it's the end of June. Okay, all right, great. And if it turns out that you need to finish it up in July, another discussion, we'll just do that, but at least have Elaine present with you. Does that make sense, Karen? Yes, that's fine. Thanks, we can circle back to Elaine on it. Okay, yeah, I welcome you. Magic waves, one to four, number 19 mark. Right, that, let's see, I have a note about that. If we could put that on at the end of July, it should be ready for the, it's either the last meeting in July or the first meeting in August. That should be ready. Marianne, have you had a chance to look at the July, the last meeting would be July 30th. Okay. And so it's the second, the seventh and the 30th. Okay, let's do July 30th. It's kind of in the final stages of review right now, I'm confident that will be done in the next couple of weeks. So let's get it on. Okay, and you'll coordinate with Marianne when it's time about outside speakers. Correct. And then 20 mark. Yeah, you know, I think that we just need to keep this under review. Some of the hold on this has to do with our operators and making sure that they're pulled into the loop. And obviously there's a number of factors at the later. Just so you know, our communications director has indicated she is with us. She's just having some internet issues. So she'll coordinate, I'm sure she'll coordinate back on the other item. And we're keeping number 20 under review and then nine update on the section 97. If you want that under review, or do you have a date you think for that one more? I'm sorry, I was number 21, needs to remain under review. Number 20, believe I'd like to also have that be coupled with the game sense impact report, largely because it's also a project that Elaine has been key, a key player on. Okay, we'll see. Then June 18th. And by the way, I don't think either of these agenda would be very long agenda items. I think they're short sort of announcements. Okay, and we've got, that's kind of an interesting day anyway, because we're gonna have a little bit of a break to a break. Okay, so let's put those two items on for the 18th then. And if somehow that pushes you and Elaine in a direction that is difficult, we'll just take it off. Okay, that's good. All right, thank you. Thanks, Elaine, I'll connect with you on that. Okay, great. And then now back to Jill on the template. Yep, we're still under review. Okay, good time to be actually thinking about that for the future, okay. And then number 23 compliance update. That's under review. I know that's a big haul, Karen. Yes, that'd be something we do after the casino's reopened. So we can keep that under review. Yeah, and then Enrique, your new England gaming market update. You know, it's still under review, but I do wanna talk to you and Kathy and maybe Karen and Elaine offline and think about this item next steps. Okay, next steps, next steps on this, especially I'd love the input with her history of Elaine before she leaves on this. And just so everybody, I'm sure everybody on the call knows Elaine is not actually leaving. We're very proud that she's off to Harvard University at the Kennedy School to get her masters in public administration. You've seen the announcements and she is very fortunate, but most of all deserving to be a Bradford scholar. Fortunate because she will have all of her bills associated with her Harvard education paid for, deserving because it was a very competitive process and she was one of three selected for this. So she's not really leaving us. She's just gonna be getting smarter. So we, and I think I just saw a square light up that's associated with her phone. Do you wanna say anything, Elaine? Elaine, is that you? No, it wasn't, but I thought you were a little like you said. Hopefully heading to get smarter and I'm very grateful for the opportunity, so thank you. So just because of scheduling, we did a little informal announcement, but more will follow publicly to again, give you full credit for and make sure your send-off is with the right flair. It's an 11 month commitment and we're going to miss Elaine terribly, but we know that we have, we know where she lives, we know how to reach her and we also will be working with a good plan for continuity of services. So thanks, Elaine. I just know we wanted to get your couple of items in for June, if that works for you and Mar. Hey, it's hard to believe you can get any smarter, Elaine. All right, any other items for our July meetings or even back on the 18th of the 4th? Karen, have you thought of anything? No, I think we're good for now. We've got plenty going on. All right, if I hear and I'm hearing no other additional items, I'll need a motion for an adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Any second that? Before we have our vote, my fellow commissioners, do you want to say anything to all of our team members? Okay, I just want to say we miss you all and stay safe and we will have our roll call vote. Commissioner Cameron. Aye. Commissioner O'Brien. Aye. Commissioner Zuniga. Aye, thank you everybody for all the work you do. Commissioner Stabbins. Missing everybody on the team and I know everybody's doing a great job. And I'll say aye. Commissioner Stabbins, you can share any cute doggie pictures that you want anytime. He's not in here with me right now. I'm not sure where he is. He's a lot smaller than Derek's dog. I do know that. All right, aye vote aye. We have a five zero vote for an adjournment. Thank you everyone. Safe. Bye everybody.