 It's Thursday, June 20th. Vroomers like board meeting to order. To my far left is Justin Lawrence. To my left is Flo Smith. My right is Jeremy Hansen. To my far right is Angelina Kaepern. Liz also is Dana Hadley and Diane Isabella Treasurer. And I'm Brad Town. And we will additions and changes to the agenda data. I have a few changes, Brad. Last time, you remember, I had on the schedule an appointment with the cemetery committee. And we had changed the date. And I missed changing it on the agenda. So I'd like to add that to tonight's agenda. I would like to add the catering license policy, catering license application policy. And I would like to add a discussion on a car and the Stevens branch. And that's all I have. OK, any public comment? Hearing none, Treasurer's report, Diane? Yes. OK. I've given a select board the May budget status report, trial balance, and delinquent tax reports. Also, we had a workers' crime audit for the year 2018. I always submit what I feel the estimates are going to be for payrolls. And when we got the audit, we ended up getting a refund of $7,660. We paid in $93,668 for the 2018 year. And the reason that we got that rebate back is because the payroll was not as high for the police as I had said it would be. And that's partly because we didn't have. It wasn't filled the whole time. So that's good news. We get some money back. The other thing is a reappraisal account. I just wanted to keep you up to date on that. And FY 18 had a balance of $185,230.80. And in FY 19, we received a payment from the state for $12,945.50 for a balance of $198,176.30. The assessors, and you've seen that bill, have charged $13,130 for the mobile homes that they've reassessed. And I'm paying for that. So that will leave us a balance in the reappraisal of account of $185,046.30, just to make you aware of that. Have you heard from the, what they would consider, the cost of a reappraisal? For? For how? No. They haven't suggested a reappraisal. No, I've never sent a CLA. I have not asked them that question. I'd be glad to. I was wondering if we paid how much a parcel for a mobile home. So I mentioned we're talking more like $90,000. I'm going to try to think what the last reappraisal was in 2008. $70,000. Yeah. And I'm just trying to think. We were, we were, I want to say that was a $120,000. I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know. I could look it up for you, but I don't know. We have something, $2,000 parcels? Am I off in that? How many parcels do you know? Oh. I was like, is this $1,600? Oh, is that $1,700? We'll get that thing for you. I don't have it. And so that's all that I had on that. The other things from talk about are in the agenda. And that would probably have to do with the balance is under $5. You got that right. You're telepathic. So I have these. I'd like to, they total $12.62 if you want to look through them. But a lot of them are 1 cent, 3 cent. It's just for whatever reason, somebody did not pay the right amount for their taxes. OK, it could just be a transposition, or they just picked up the wrong amount. Or they could put the change down. Maybe $1,010 in 10 cents, they just picked up $1,010. $12.62. Do you have a motion on that? Yes, please. I move to forgive the balances under $5 as presented in the total of $12.62. Second motion. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. And a good question to hand about the check to the fire department. We usually have the one that we have to sign. This is the one for the last part of the year. And since they haven't finished June yet, I'll be getting something after the fact. But I want to get this into F119 business. OK. And bank home rates for the pilot truck they have? Did you want me to tell you? Sure, go ahead. Went to three different banks. And this is based on, it's $150,000 for five years. One annual payments in arrears. Let's see, when I went to Community Bank NA, they were 2.85%. And then, let's see, Community Bank, Community National Bank, excuse me, was 2.4%. And Northfield Savings was 3%. And these are approximate numbers. And we did have some confusion with community. It was too late. We're not exactly sure. She asked Diane, and I'll let you explain it, if we were buying under state bid, when Diane told her that it was for a highway truck. And of course, we are buying under state bid. And she said that it was 2%. If you had decided to grant that, I would go with the 2%. But in the event that 2% wasn't really what she meant, I would go with the national. Right, because she did call for the 2.85%. We questioned that. Yeah, she said to consider, is the state's highway equipment fund option, which I've not heard of before. So I would investigate that more. Which told me that she thought we're borrowing from the state. But that's not true. I'll delve into that more if there is a decision made. That was the cost of the truck is $205,000. We're expecting roughly $50,000 as a trade-in for the old 2013 truck. So we base that on a loan of $155,000. It will be approximately a yearly payment for five years of $33,000. That includes a 7-year warranty. That includes the extended warranty. Yes. We do have a precedent to put any of the money that we've set aside for the culvert into a down payment on the truck. We don't know what the culvert's going to end up being. We have $200,000 in that fund right now. So I guess we're at the point that Tim is asking, are we going to order the truck? What are we not? Are you ready for that or not? So at $33,000 a year, the down payment to the trade-in? Yes. We would not pay the first $33,000 until a year from whenever we took the loan, which will be in FY21. Am I right? OK. So it's a year from the loan, not a year from the delivery of the truck? Well, it'd be about the same period. So community nationals, depending on how you look at community bank, is the world's interest rate? Right. But this is just estimates. I'd get a firm quote before. If we financed through the scenario that we were given, it was like 3.72. At least. Yeah. I don't see it. No, I wouldn't. I don't see that. Why do we do that? Well, the lease arrangement that they were. Yeah. And basically, it's the same result. I think they were giving us this quote because we told them that we didn't have a lot of money to put in this this year. And so they were trying to have it so we didn't have to pay for it until after we'd had it a year. And it's really the same deal through the bank. Same deal, yeah. The less interest. Yeah, if we do it through the bank. So as I recall, we had consensus, basically, that we needed to move forward with the truck. So I don't see why we wouldn't move forward with the truck we go after, the cheapest interest rate with the community bank is that. That's what we need to move forward with. So we need to start in the process before financing in the truck through community bank at a rate of 2%. My second option. Okay, for a little discussion, if I could say something. If that 2% rate is not firm, do you want us to bring it back to you or would you allow us to go to the community? Yeah, national rate. So I'll amend my motion to, if the 2% doesn't actually materialize that for the community of national rates and pursue that 2.4%. I'll accept your document. Motion. Any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. So I'm planning then to call tomorrow and order the truck. Okay. Are you, everyone okay with that? Any trucks? Okay. I know I just want to make sure that, you know, when you pay spend $200,000 good to have your bosses, no. It's been a great policy in my time now. Okay, thank you. The approval, is that it in there? Yeah. Thank you. Approval, license is printed, vouchers and applications. Still looking at them? Yeah, still looking at them. Let's see here. Okay, approval of fiscal year 19 carryovers and fiscal year 20 wages. We have, I'll do the carryover first. Every year we ask you to approve anything that we're carrying over from the current budget. This year we've had a very expensive year. We really do not have anything to carry over with the exception of the fund that is the Berlin Community Fund that's through the police department. These are the monies that various citizens or businesses donate money to the police, some for certain purpose and others for buy new vests or things like that. We never know what the year is gonna end up with because usually at the end of the year the chief may decide to buy something that we don't know about until the end of the year. So we're asking that you approve us to carry this over for an amount not to exceed $15,000. We currently have something like $12,500 in the fund. So I think we carry over the amount not to exceed $15,000 from the Berlin Community Fund. Let's take a look at that motion. We can do the discussion. Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. The wages for FY 20, and I am talking about non-union employees, the union employees, that's a contract so we're rather committed to that, the budget was anticipated at a 2% raise for non-union employees. I've given you a list of the updated wages and if you are so inclined to improve that we'd like to have that approved before we start paying people. We have to set the fiscal year 20 rate, a rate to those balance as presented. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries and on you. Thank you. Thank you Daniel. Have a good evening Daniel. Hello. Hi. Thank you very much for the invitation and I did ask Ken Dessen to come on over and join me this evening as your other representative. Happy to chat and I don't really know what you're asking me here for other than a reference to Act 46. And so probably the best thing I can do is just hear what your questions are and not have a lot of answers but get them for you. Well one of the things I noticed when we met with the school board and what not there seems to be a lot of confusion with just what Act 46 does for us. Well that's a really good starting spot because people don't even agree on what people thought they were going to achieve in passing it and a lot of times I know that currently the media will say to improve educational opportunities and to save costs. To reduce the high costs and increasing costs. And my recollection of the debate at the time was a lot of discussion about the fact that this really was not going to have a significant impact on increased costs. That the real driver was educational opportunity that there were such huge discrepancies based on where you lived the size of your district about what you had access to in terms of more advanced opportunities and all those different things. And it might also save some money. I initially voted against it because I felt we needed to be doing more about costs and that it wasn't going to do that. I had to go back and look because you get a whole series of votes on a bill at different stages and a final bill and all that. I actually did vote for the final bill after it came back from the Senate and the adjustments and so forth. But so that was the concept that if you looked at us as a state we had a lot of districts and a lot of small districts and just from a logic point of view the size was creating a lot of administrative overhead where there might really be some savings and certainly more consistency in what was being offered and maybe more consistency in the per pupil costs because that's also a lot of variation around the state. So I think those are some of the hopes and that was why it was passed. And I was actually surprised when I went back just to look at the numbers of what did happen that it was really more than a third of the existing districts that said it won't work for us and we need an alternative plan. This doesn't work. I had the impression that it was more but it was actually when I checked the numbers. We had 247 districts around the state in terms of existing school districts of all different sizes. And 154 of them at some stage over those several years process went through a voluntary merger process and that resulted out of that 154 in 38 larger unified districts. So one without knowing in detail what actually happened one could say that that was a success if the idea was to have fewer and larger districts that went from 154 to 38. But there were 96 who did not and who developed alternative plans which were permitted under the statute. And then out of that 96 about half of them it was roughly half half half of them the agency of education said okay you have legitimate obstacles that really can't be surmounted and you've come up with a good different approach whatever that is. And the other half were told no you didn't articulate a good enough reason to not do it which obviously Berlin was one of those. My concern coming into this year was I thought you know there were a lot of people who said well those they didn't follow the rules and they shouldn't get extra time you know they were the recalcitrant and you know when I looked at it was clear that Berlin and the other towns here followed the rules in terms of really working at it and then coming up with a proposal and then being told okay no but then to say you've only got six months now to start the whole process of doing an actual merger I didn't think was fair and so I very much was in support of giving additional time and this House and Senate couldn't agree on who should who should get extra time and so that ended up simply not happening at all it was nothing from the legislature in terms of a delay so the July one deadline stands and I've seen the notices in front porch form and so forth about the dates in Berlin with you know budget votes and all those different things happening so I guess you know on track to do what needs to get done to have the new district in place. Are there any penalties that is not in place in time? Well the penalties is it's I mean I pulled up what's on the department of the agency of education website you know what if it's not done in time what happens and there will be some money flow that will be able to happen for schools to open but it will be really restricted and there will be real detriments in terms of keeping things functioning if it doesn't happen pretty quickly after that missing that deadline so it's a little you know I mean I printed it off and I found it not that easy to follow that the department of taxes will assign an interim homestead rate of $1 to the district and it'll be divided by the CLA so the taxes will be collected and sent to the Ed fund. There's a 25% of the base education amount would be available to the new union district as of September 10th so they would get this you know some money flow but not really until they had an actual budget not actually a you know full budget so. Are we saying and that if the budget doesn't pass? Yeah. Excuse me for having a hard time getting my head around this. If the budget does not pass and the town we got that notice as well. This failure of a new. Right. And then it says that you we would charge the rate of a dollar and then it explains what's with what happens to the money and so forth. And it says the towns cannot disperse these funds to the new district. Right. And it goes to the Ed fund what's collected under them. So we have at some point there's gotta be a budget this is obviously this is to encourage to get a budget, get a budget. Yeah. We have to do a second tax billing for the correct amount. If the budget is not in place presumably there would that went once the budget was adopted assuming it didn't result in you know that at some time I would assume it would be different than it would mean there would have to I would assume yes it would mean there would have to be another you know new tax bills and adjusted. I'm hoping we don't go there because there's a lot of ramifications to that. Right. Yeah, no, it costs a lot. Obviously costs being a big one. Yeah. When we were at the school board meeting there was the leading of the property. Yeah. Was a large attention getter. I'm sure that that piece is yeah. Yeah. I was wondering if you could clarify that for us. So the best semi-clarification that I saw was actually the explanation in the newest court decision because some of the appeals were based on the issue of how can you you know impose debts on you know this idea of which it's the same issue if you're talking about it's somebody's property and you're being made to give it away. It's you know an analogous kind of thing. And the court was basically saying well local school districts actually don't carry any of the debt liabilities or assets. They're actually just functionaries of the state and it's the state that's carrying those. Well that's all fine if you have a clean situation where it is currently the school district that owns the property and it now becomes the union property. It's straightforward anyway but if the property is not owned by the school it's owned by the town that the school sits on then obviously it's much more complicated and that all goes to the issue of you know you can't tell people at the end of November no we're not accepting this alternative now start from scratch and figure out all these issues when some of them are really tough legal issues. Unfortunately that's what got forced. So I don't I mean you know better than I do obviously at this point where that stands for Berlin but that's. Well if the union district is to streamline their costs and say they close a school what happens to that property? Does it revert back to the town or does it revert to the district? No that is spelled out and if I'm recalling correctly from having read it it does revert to it's sold back for a dollar just want to make sure I'm right but that's the articles of agreement that were predetermined for this new union because it hadn't been done includes that. I just want to check because I know there is very specific reference. Transfer of the property right. I don't think that's been ratified yet. Yeah I mean there is a specific discussion and it's if it's not going to be used for school purposes anymore. I don't have to find the exact spot it's like 14 pages here but. Yeah one of the figures call us they suspect we're on the new union station. Okay if it won't be if it won't be used then the new union district shall offer for sale the property the real property to the town in which it's located for one dollar subject to all encumbrances etc. So. It's quite a big subject all encumbrances. Where's your lord? I assume if it's you know if there's a mortgage on it it's subject to the mortgage that it's sold. So basically what you're saying is that if the district were to take and use the school in school for a plato then for the town to buy it back they have to take the mortgage on it in a dollar. Right. Well there's a bond on ours which. Well the district must have to take that on. If the district takes that the district assumes that. Really? That debt. Yes yes the debts all become debts of the new district. I mean that's one of the big issues of contention is if you've got one district that's got some huge debts and others that don't have any and all of a sudden they are part of the district that has assumed that debt. Yeah. And the you know the counter piece of that discussion is well towns may say well now we're having to assume somebody else's debt but actually you know a significant proportion of that is being paid through the statewide education fund not through the local taxpayers. So that mitigates. Well. We're just saying that they're like sorry. We got it. Yeah. But it mitigates the degree to which your local. Right. Taxes being unfairly. Well it's not even without the spikes. So what I'm taking away from this is that it would be whom the district's not to get too much debt built on. For any school system. Well the new district as a whole. Yeah. Well that's good for all of us all the time. Don't serve too much debt. Yeah. I'm thinking. The the new district when it's formed so their first order of business has come up with a workable budget. To flip the education system in the country. And how far behind the eight balls we are. Well that's the vote of June 25th. To make the July one deadline. So hopefully that passes and then there is one. So if it does pass what it does for us. We have to wait at least 30 days for the election to. It's a great period. I'm not sure if you can use it right there. But it's a period of need to wait. But we would not be able to do this. That's what we're going to do in July. And I'm really hoping we're not going to do a dollar thing. Well that only applies if there isn't a budget passed by July one. So so assuming it's passed you you should at least. You know what number you're working with. And we're not going to get out of it anyway. So I mean. How are the budgets passed? Is it. It's going to be a discussion. There's. 5,000. We're all. 5,000. Sure. And they're like. But it doesn't matter if they don't. So it's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all. All. Do you have anything else the state's doing for us? For you. Yes. Education or anywhere else. I don't know. We'll just play with the agenda. It's going to take me a while to really understand this. You know I think there was a. Fairly decent job at not having. Significant tax increases which affects. I think there was a fairly good response in this in terms of roads. Money. There were cuts. Let's let's not. There was much money in the towns. They were. I'm trying to think very town specific because there were a lot of. Obviously a lot of action on different issues that the child care being. They had liners in terms of the budget but that's not. That's not something to have towns. And she's working on that but that that's what. That affects us all this tax pay. Specific things for these families. I know the you know we can. My little spear when we get into our committee work is when we get and. Get into the health care conversation and the the issue of. I'm going to forget the word. In my mouth every single day of the session and I can't. But the ability to form groups. To purchase insurance. Thank you association health plans. That is certainly something that a lot of towns. Had an interest in being able to. Restore be able to purchase again. And that was. It became. The affordable care act had basically eliminated them because of the rules. It was a piece that the Trump administration allowed to. Come back into play. And the lot basically said. Back and forth and we can't let the affordable care act be dismantled piece by piece. So even though he took it as a single. Issue. There's a lot of arguments for why it should be allowed. The biggest problem with. Not permitting association health plans it being smaller employers are the ones who are. Bearing. The added cost. To protect. The small group. Market. Because we can't. Share the cost with large employers because they come under the federal orisa. Protection. So that means we're imposing this added cost and being able to get into an association health plan. Being able to get out of the exchange and not have to be. Sharing that cost. But the downside of allowing people out that means that the individual and small group market plans. Go higher they. Become even less affordable. Than they are now so. The one piece that did get included in the bill is. Trying to. Come back next year with. A deeper dive into are there ways that we can spread that. Make the pool larger instead of. Letting some groups. Get out of the pool in order to. Protect their own. Well I think. Right now. Well I think. You know a lot of the folks who were against. Giving some extra time to anybody. It was based on. We've. We've had enough of that 46. Just do it and. And I think that's unfortunate when there were legitimate reasons to say we need a little more time. The other question screen. We appreciate you explaining. A lot to it. Yeah. And I'm not even somebody who you know it's as you said the committee system the education committee. Are the ones who. Along with the ways means committee but. Not a good picture but hopefully it's going to smooth out once it. Once it happens and we're all living with it and. You know certainly in Northfield in Williamstown. Seem to be having something that's working for them. A lot of people were very nervous about it. So far it's. Most of the issues I've seen I mean the one issue I've seen that I thought was the silliest. Version of we have to deal with everybody accurately. Is when the situation is inequity is not. Is not a parallel. Williamstown the kids all get bussed no matter how close you are to the school. And if you've been to the schools of Williamstown you know is this incredibly narrow winding road. With no sidewalk to get the last bit to the school. In Northfield when you're close to the school. You've got sidewalks and nice wide straight roads in that vicinity. But it's like well it has to be fair. Williamstown's kids get bussed even if they live right next door to the school then. Northfield kids have to have equal busing opportunities. No. Anyway. Thank you very much. Okay. Any time and you know for you to get the touch with either of us anytime when there's specific questions or topics. I'm sure it'll come up. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Even saw your appointment to pull the books forward. It was an opening on public works. And Tom has been working with David who has expressed interest in being appointed. And I'll let you explain your background. I served in 88 to 90 on the Middlesex Select Board. Middlesex has served on various non-profit organizations. Currently the president of the Western Mobile Home Co-op. We've hired on that for the last couple years. Even before the inception of the purchase. My background is in construction. Presidential and commercial. Almost 40 years. Tom expressed that there was a place on board to meet some people with some background. So I had a little bit of time to help them out. And I'm sure he explained to you what the board does. I mean they're really the overall run of water in the sewer departments. They manage the budget. They are planning these two big projects right now happening. One is the sewer project which is putting the line down. And the water division is developing well. So there's a lot of good things going. So it's very helpful. Your background will be very helpful. I'm sure it will help you out. They actually went from that building last week. I'll hit you. More of the choir. Thanks for throwing your head into the room. I moved to point David Sawyer to put the board's board. My second motion. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. You're wrong. Thank you, David. Okay. Okay. Cemetery people? Yeah. Going up. I'll see you. All right. I'm Jeff Mockford with the Berlin Cemetery. And so I got on the board two years ago with the Berlin Cemetery. And quickly started seeing that there were quite a bit of problems going on. They wanted me on because I do have like a granite background. That's what I do. My job. But it's far from running a cemetery. And anyways, what we're finding is we, the days of having like high school kids and, you know, older, you know, retirees, Mollons and stuff. Those days have kind of come to an end with all the state rules and stuff. So we hired on a sexton. And with a sexton, of course, comes payroll, workman's comp, all the stuff that goes with it. And we financially right now, we're okay. But we are definitely going to be running out of money. We figured 15 years max. We bring in so much money a year and through neutral funds and plot sales and stuff like that. But just with the cost of employees and the cost of everything else, it's not sustainable what we're doing. We actually had our American funds advisor come in. He went over everything with us after talking to him. He was, it's not sustainable. We figured we would come talk to you guys and see if there was anything you guys, any ideas, any help, anything you guys might be able to do. We are, Matt works in a lot of different cemeteries. And we, for the size of our cemetery, we had to be one of the only privately ran cemeteries. Most cemeteries now are town run. And anyways, we were here looking to see if you guys had any ideas for us. I just jumped in. I got elected as vice president. They broke me some player, but I'm resident of Wilson. So how do I get on the board? My grandparents are buried there. My aunts buried there. My dad's buried there. My mom's going to be. And my nephew was murdered. He's buried there too. So I got a vested interest in that. But we don't have a full functioning board. We haven't had a treasurer for three months. That's problematic. My background is I've been in the grant industry since I was a kid. I went into business with my dad in 1988. I got off active duty. I was in a guard. In 1998, I started working out the cemeteries, installs, repairs, lettering, cleaning. I do everything. The year I retired after 30 years, my dad passed. After the last five years, I'm all through Vermont in New York. And I get to see a lot of cemeteries. And I get to talk to a lot of people that run them. And I ask a lot of questions like what perpetual care, what's it mean here? Depending on where you are, I have a different meaning. So I wanted to get on this board at home. I didn't want to. I got asked and I wasn't going to say no. But just to reiterate what Jeff has said, the days of volunteers, I mean, he's a Berlin resident. I think he's him and the president, Roy Kilburn, the only two Berlin residents on the board. And we don't have a treasurer. And we went from having a contract employee who met the state's definition of a contractor. And that, I don't know, that was before I got there, but they ended up hiring somebody that thought they were going to be able to hire as a contractor. We didn't need to be required. So now when you look at what that guy who does a good job for us would cost us, like Jeff's saying, it's not a sustainable long term. We're not here to bring you a problem to fix. We're just kind of bringing it to light now so that someday some of us come to this board and say, hey, we're all quitting. We've got no money. Here you go, catch. So we're trying to get some, you know, bring y'all up to speed. There's 11 cemeteries in Berlin, I believe. I believe the corner cemetery is probably the only private one that we have. There's probably still the only open cemetery you have in town. So I'm not sure how you manage all the other ones. But the other ones are a town department. Right, yeah. You know, you guys are aware of the challenges when you've got to keep in mode. I mean, a lot of people have passed or families have passed, so you probably don't get a whole lot of complaints. But, you know, a lot of people come up here. And when I got on the board, I mean, I kind of just, we were dancing around about a lot of stuff. And the one thing I did is I set up what I thought our priorities were, which are respectful burials that we still bury people up there, you know, family law or interaction, whatever those may be, cemetery maintenance, obviously, and then dealing with contractors like myself when I come in there so that we're doing, due diligence, doing good work, that we've got our liability insurance, we're doing everything, you know, by the way. So I just, you know, when Jeff bought up the idea of coming to the town, you know, to reiterate, there's not a problem right now to fix. But if this keeps going like it is right now, I mean, this may put me behind a month in what I have to do. So I don't have time to meet, you know, I got told, you know, maybe one meeting a year or two. Well, I don't live in the town. I get a vested interest in the cemetery, but this is becoming a lot more time consuming. I get the skill set to me to kind of straighten things out, fix it, but I don't have the time or the energy, honestly, to really pull this whole thing together. And Jeff runs a business too. But we're trying to, you know, meet our priorities. It's the cemetery in town that you guys know where we're at right now so that it doesn't turn into a real problem down the road. This is the best way to put it. Do you have one employee? One. So you're talking about the cost, the payroll cost? Well, just to cover that employee and then with when we start, you know, talking with this compensation on employment, you know, all the other stuff, and then having to take out his withholdings and make sure all that stuff is done. And there was a problem last year with how that was done that I think we're going to end up having to deal with the state because I don't think it was done correctly. How did you deal with this without a treasure? That's a great question. We're winging it. How long have you been with that with treasure? I'll say at least three months. Yeah, at least. What really kind of shocked me is this January when we had a year-end meeting and they brought out the profit and loss and we were at a $41,000 loss this last year. We have quite a bit of money in mutual funds, but obviously last year that wasn't a good year for us. So we kind of have really been getting into it and we figure right now through sales, plot sales, burials, and we're bringing in somewhere around $20,000 a year through the mutual funds on an average, somewhere around $10,000 a year. But with all of that, none of it is a guarantee. I mean, I guess in all businesses you're guaranteed, but if you have an employee on, you better be pretty guaranteed that you're going to be making so much to pay that employee. And when I saw this last year, when we saw that we were at a $41,000 loss, I said, I do not want to be part of a board that sends a cemetery. That's just something's got to be done. It's just crazy. And Matt was talking about a guy in one cemetery. I'm sorry, I don't remember which one, but he's an 80-year-old guy who takes care of the whole cemetery himself. And that in the past I think has been a pretty common thing with some of the private cemeteries. It's just not really happening anymore. He's 89 in Massachusetts, and 89 manages three cemeteries. And him and his 70-year-old partner were putting corn posts in. And our employee is a younger guy. He's getting paid. He does a good job for what we're asking. I'm in a lot of cemeteries that haven't been on the board for a year. I'm asking a lot of questions. How do you guys do this? I know that in Waterbury, I think both Hope and the Cemeteries were private at one time. And their town manager at one point, I don't know if he was prophetic or not, but we better start putting a line item in to start taking care of this because if we end up inheriting this, we don't want to start from scratch. And over time, the town ended up taking a rose to some of the cemeteries. So are you looking for some sort of graceful transition to this inevitable town taking over? Right now, like you said, if we keep going the funds down, I don't know how fast that's going to go. Like if we need a lawnmower, it's about a $10,000 expense. And if you put that on top or you're paying somebody already, it doesn't take too many of those to have an issue. Or if you're not doing due diligence and you're not set up to take care of your play the right way as David's involved, you might spend some money on stuff that has nothing to do with our priorities in the cemetery. So guys, my question is, is there another sort of off-brand other than the town taking this over eventually? I mean, obviously if your mutual funds do really well and you can sort of balance your books, that might not be necessary. Well, this year already, like in our first quarter, this year's better than last year. I mean, that's a mess over the base. You know, you can gamble that way. So, I mean, with our background, we're both saying, you know, looking at this, you know, with the money we got right now, you know, you could probably, like, struggle in to get by, but, you know, no longer goes down or anything. And the other thing is, when they hire their current employee, you know, if they hire them with the idea that, you know, he's a contractor, he has a truck, he has all the stuff. Well, he's an employee of the cemetery now. He hasn't been getting the university to use this truck when he had it. You know, and these kind of things, what I'm looking at, it's like, that's a lot to ask for somebody. So, what do you see? So, we almost, we came in and we, we're very open for suggestions from you guys. It would be great if you guys could talk about it and maybe throw some ideas around. We did, you know, with the funds, that's what we were really trying to get out of our fund manager was to try to figure out how much we could count on, like, almost a guarantee. And he came up with maybe $13,000 a year. And then again, with the plot sales on the average, and that's like an average of over 10 years, it was somewhere around $20,000 that we brought in. So, we're thinking somewhere, we've got, somewhere around $30,000 that, you know, we can kind of count on. But again, that's not enough to have an employee. Give me one idea of how long it is before you sink. I think, what, did he say somewhere around 15 years if I remember correctly? Yeah, the other thing is by, like, part of it is a potential care function. Anything that was made on black money can be spent, but that base can't be spent on, it's like a burial account, it can't be spent on. We have the same image of this. So, I actually do have an idea. In a past job, I was an employment specialist and I worked on a contract with the same online. And people who are on reach-up have a work requirement. People are looking for jobs that are experienced in certain jobs and are required to meet every 20 hours a week. So, you could reach out to Weber or, I don't know, I can't remember what Weber stands for. But they have an employment specialist there. They have at the Vermont Department of Labor, there's also these people that connect folks of these kinds of jobs. The hard part with that, though, is like the guy we've got right now, and you're talking about a skill set with somebody that can run equipment. You've got to dig foundations or graves. You've got to make sure they're in the right spot. Because if you're going around a spot, that costs a lot more money. You start moving people around and people get really cranky. So, it's really hard. So, it's hard to get... I know Calis went through this two years ago. They were paying their guy, whatever, to mow the cemetery. Well, I couldn't get in there for a month before they started off. Because once you pay somebody over $600, if they're not a contractor, then you've got to hire them as an employee and all the other things that go along. So they... I don't know how they ended up swarming it out, but it became an issue for them. So these people would work for free for you? It's no cost to you. And they're covered under the State of Vermont through their insurance, their workers' compensation, and all of those things. So, my recommendation is to call Department of Labor or BABER and see if they happen. You never know, because there's all kinds of people... All kinds of things happen to people in life. There's people with experience and they're just in a hard spot at the moment. And sometimes there's a connection and you might find something really good. How is the Association of Organizers a full profit? It's a non-profit. Yeah, I'm not sure what that is, but I believe it's a non-profit. Yeah, it's good. That's nice. You know, I could... Right. I'd love to show you guys a profit and loss thought that I can't come up with that. You might be able to find somebody for them as well. There's also the employees' association who also do the same thing. They connect people who have these work requirements. And I mean, there's lots of people who have skill sets that can retire volunteers who might find something really good there. Someone who's recently retired and has a skill set that he's ready to... Yeah, it would be nice to know if there was someone there. Because you have an employee now who is familiar with the job and he can do the job. And it's an important job. Well, that's the thing, like mowing and trimming, that's a very small part of the... It's more the burials, dealing with the burials, dealing with the foundation, I mean, what kind of shock me with the whole cemetery thing is the cemetery's a business and you're running a business. If you're the sexist, you're running that business. With a little bit of guidance from the board. So he's dealing with the funeral directors and that kind of thing. And it's April, May to the late October number job. Which we're just kind of hard to admit that we're ready to find something that's not the time to go for the whole year, too. But that's a challenge. What pillar do you used to have the DOC guys fill in? The hard part of those because we've gone, you've batted some of the stuff around and you start comparing yourself in your 5th century against municipality and slight apples and baseball bats. It's really hard to make that comparison because they've got the city behind them. There's a great job down there. But he's a city employee and he's got four workers that flex. When he needs them, they go back and they work for the city. But if he needs somebody, he's able to grab somebody. We still have that luxury. You have to have someone who is in charge and overseas. Exactly. We talked about it when we were having it. It's a hard job. But is that going to make up for a $20,000 gap? That's a thing. That's why I'm glad we're coming now because we're not out of money. We're not desperate yet. The one thing with putting all of your kind of eggs in that basket is that's never a guarantee. You know, your market can crash and bang, you're out of money and then we're really in a tough spot. But it's a... So ideally, we see the time of 15 years during which they're going to be more involved in six months. I wish I did. I mean, one thought I had, and I don't even know if it's, you know, going to work. Like the guy we have right now, if he was hired by the town but then when we needed him we could fill out his time and then you know, out of the money we've got to reimburse. I don't even know if that's even a possibility or not. I think we have a chance to look at this and think about ways that might make sense. Ideas that we can bring forward. The burials, because a lot of burials happen this morning, so, you know, May, June, the guy's busy and he's moaning the grass. And then, you know, you've got people calling that want to make points that want to do whatever. So, it's really hard to find, you know, someone that you can turn on and turn off unless they are retired and have, you know, the wherewithal to do something like that too. Thank you so much. Thanks for your time. Thank you. I'll show you around. Okay, black road discussion. Thank you. I'll put you to work. As you recall, Josh Walker was in the meeting of May 16th and he was asking the board to renegotiate the agreement. Right now, it's one broader 16 and a half feet. He was asking for 24 feet and he also asked that the town would plow and sand the road So basically, the agreement to a class 3. He wasn't asking for maintenance, I don't think, but if we I think if we plow and sand it, it has to be upgraded. Why so? Well, I guess I will rephrase that. If we wish to add it to our state inventory and get our stipend that we get from the state do we ever plow the road? No. Well, the class 4, the class 3 section, yes. The class 4 section, no. So how do folks get out from the town? They have to go, if you live on the bottom of the road, you go out with the well and if you live on this side, you come up on the road. So is there something not plowing? It's not plowing. It's closed. I remember being closed, thinking that people who live there, they're not plowing themselves out. We plow the road, the class 3 part. So in other words, everyone lives there. No one lives in the class 4 part. I see that. That's the answer. Thank you. We called Tim at that meeting and he had said that he'd been up there and the way it was right now that he'd been having trouble plowing sand. Is there any money, Dana, adding that to any story? From the financial campaign? Rightfully, I don't see it. Now, does the state reimbursement class 3? Yes. I think it would be a watch if we were lucky because that's only 10th of a month. I'm not even sure. I remember you mentioned a long-term resident. I remember that when you came in as both. That's an upside. They reimburse you by the month of August. The next question is, is there a place at the bottom of the hill to turn the truck over? Yep. There's like a big flat spot right at the end and then it cuts over to inside the property and then I have the other side of the houses. So if I was to have it, it's like a T right at the end. A watch makes sense. It makes sense. If you want to take in plant-maintaining one class 4, not others, you might just as well figure you want to upgrade to a class 3. There's only one class greater once a year. And you said, Josh, you're developing the property down there and putting in another resident? How many residents are on the road now? Three. What's the policy on private work? That's not a private work, is it? It's a town road. We do have a class 4 policy. We don't have a class 4 here. We have two sections that we vary animal maintenance on the road. The other is the kind of road. What I was thinking of for literacy access for vehicles. That's a trouble I'm having with at this point, though, with the there's been a couple times that I mentioned in the last meeting where people go down there because it's on the GPS, so it's a short field, and then it's on the hill and they get sucked out there. And then we'll try to get down there and someone's sucking it and get to our house. When I'm worried about what if I need an emergency vehicle to get to my house and someone gets down there and they can't get to my house or the people that I have potentially to rank my other property. That's what I was thinking of. But there is a policy about the emergency vehicles more than three or more houses on a private road or any road. I could research that. I honestly don't. Because I know we had one discussion about this. Before you were here. I don't know what the number was. We definitely had this conversation. I think it was a couple of times. But did we ever actually adopt it as a policy though? We just talked about it. I think there's a, I'm pretty sure there's a policy about it. Well, maybe. I think it's common sense that people are going falling in GPS or something like that. It's like a trailer truck. It happens all the time. A couple of few guys a week are down there turning around lost. So we were having a hard time imagining the town setting precedents to adopt a public road wide net plow it sand it as somebody's truck. We're having a hard time seeing that as a good use of our tech space. It's a driveway. When they built the house there's going to be a driveway. It's a driveway. There's, there's it used to be more common people following their GPS down there. It's just not a thing that much anymore. I work from home. There are not multiple cars a week driving down that road. And there's a sign that says dead on credit entrance to the road. So that's not happening. And as one of the three residents on the road were against it. One of the two techs and residents on the road were against it. And the third residents is questionable because it's rental and they're not exempted. And the road for the vehicle for the pass. It's a, it's a straight shot. There's no times. So you live before the house, right? Mm-hmm. So if you go past your driveway you can meet another car. No problem. So if you have a tenant down there somebody was in a church or somebody was stuck that you know about and put him there or something like that. The traffic on that road in the past is included several of Josh's employees going to his place of business in his garage. And you know, wood delivery vehicles and fuel the other vehicles and there's never, there's never been an issue. Right. Well I understand that. It's a clear line of state from the bottom of the top. So if there's vehicles that are going to meet they can. There's no surprise. There's no surprise. It does allow roads to be upgraded as a procedure that you need to do. For the new members on the road car we just like to kind of recap the last couple of years. This was before the board once and then again and then the board spent a lot of time agonizing over the decision either Josh nor the doubts. Really agreed with the decision. So it must have been roughly down the middle. We've divided by everything in that. The permit holder has not and and has routinely and repeatedly come back to the board to ask for something different. And now it's sort of getting close to feeling like harassment and it takes up a lot of the board's time. So that being said, my question is what is going to resolve these issues between you guys? Is it going to be widening the road and having it maintained by the town or is there going to be another issue? What is going to resolve this issue? Providing by the permit would be perfectly fine with us. And I would abide by the permit that was in the guidelines that I can live by. Right now the stuff that's going on is the same stuff that's been going on in the past. There's certain natural drains that go down the sides of the town roads that's there. Which is not my job to spend a town road every time I've been here, but now it's my driveway. They continue to keep filling stuff in there. There's been numerous amounts of crap put in there. And I mean, real crap went and picked up all there. It's a few sticks of crap. They threw it all right in the ditch. Right, we've heard all of this before. This just needs to be wider for my access to get down to there. And is this going to resolve the issue? Absolutely. No. No, absolutely it will resolve the issue. Because I've lived here for 20 years and it maintained the way I want to continue to maintain. I've lived in the board to try to get that. And it's all in the town, within the town right away. I don't think there's trees in the planted in the town right away. And when the town guidelines you can't put trees, brush anything into a town right away. That's not actually true. So what is going to resolve this issue? We have wider space and if the town would sand, the sand and the plowing thing came about when the two barrels of sand came about. I have a sand barrel a 55 gallon barrel down right where my driveway, black road, black cemetery road before it goes into my driveway. Well, I don't use it very hardly at all. My wife has an all-wheel drive car and I have a four-wheel drive vehicle. And the people that use it are the ones that go down there and get stuck. Most of the time I'll come home and I'll see the driveway. It's all sanded. And I can see someone had been down there and couldn't get out. It's kind of on a hill there. And the need for a little drive is the way you go down. You turn into my house in a way or turn into my car. You're going to find it the other way and so you don't have a good run on it to get out. So it's mainly I would like to have a wire. Which is also like in the town zoning I think I'm supposed to have 25 people with. So for you widening and not sanding and painting. What is the solution for you? Stick a permit and leave it alone in the antibody part. That's all we ask. You don't think like the addicts have another unpopulated, another resident so generally it's the permanent on the A or the change. So coming back to our previous discussions I don't see how it supports responsibility at this point. We tried to broker this current permit as the compromise. So that was the compromise that we came to and I think I'm going to enjoy this onto something I'm not sure that there is a resolution that's going to make everybody happy. The nature of compromise, but I don't think everybody was happy with what we came up with in the first case. But I also don't see us as a judge who's right and who's wrong with this. I mean, our rights in a way are pretty clear and we try to resolve this the wrong word. Help. So my number one is you're bound in and you're out there. So I think about there's a couple that I don't know if it's a little bit wider or it's a lot wider you should be able to get one way down one way. I think if you were to take the personal, you know, as a resident, you know, if you take the personal out of that and eliminate that, does that make everybody happy all the time? No, it's clearly not everybody's going to be happy anyway. If you take the personal out of that and say, okay, well it's going to be time maintained so that there's not that frustration between people between citizens between taxpayers because either way people aren't going to be happy they're not happy now they're going to be happy after but if the town maintains it it takes this from company it doesn't come back anymore and it also it takes care of the safety issue we're trying to confirm that there's a rental down there. Is there a rental there now? It's just about done. Are you going to have a tenant yet? Not completely, but another point that I'll bring up I am completely uninterested in having the town maintain that road and having the plow go the span of our front yard next to our bedroom window with the lights and the backup beeper just below our bedroom window plowing at four o'clock in the morning I mean it's extremely disruptive and it's unnecessary Josh just said he's lived there for 20 years he's lived with that road the way it is for 20 years and so this is the issue for us as we continue it I just don't understand why you know it's worked for 20 years you know why this why do we have to just come in back here? Well I'm guessing that right now it's going to change if he starts putting the rental down there he had a business running out of that garage multiple vehicles up and down that road for years there's storage for my tools storage place for my tools for guys living on the job site for his employees for years people would meet me on the job site it wasn't a starting spot every day at work so we'd also mention there's been some politicking about it I suspect ahead of this meeting and perhaps others yeah we saw you walking up down the road I said I won't have to look at the road you didn't stop and talk to us nope I was looking at the road you would have been more than welcome to come out and talk to us well I'm from from my point of view until there is another residence down there I need more inclined just to leave it as it is that's my point of view so what do I have to do to have someone come and say oh I'm raking Josh's apartment now I mean I have the permit I have the place it's all done I just ordered the kitchen but the places are not completely done I'm just going to put the kitchen in well we can see if the traffic actually becomes a problem I know it's working because I've already mentioned to you now in the winter time where someone can't get up out of there and you're coming down and also I'll put into something into this this just happened a few weeks ago my wife and I were getting back from something we were doing and we were following these guys up the hill and I had my trail on the back of my truck they go and pull into the driveway and stop right in front of the mailbox and I was figuring they were going so I'm kind of pulling in and they stop and sit right there for a while and decided to get out and mess with the mail and get back in their vehicle and look at the mail and I'm halfway in the road with my truck and trailer on that chunk of corner where you can't see anybody coming anyways but I don't know why it's going to be so vindictive why they need to see but that's part of the access which I need so I could have gone around if I needed to you know when you do take and get a tenant in there Josh you can come back but I don't know I keep coming back I know I've got the place, I've got the permit I've got the money invested into it what do you need me to do have the actual tenant come and say over in Josh's apartment how could you why there's a driveway I agree with Jeremy when you take and see if there really is a safety or any else so you're going to wait until after something happens the permit was granted you were happy but that's what you asked for and now you have it and now you're trying to change it again I wasn't happy with it I know it's going to be happy but it is what it is and I'm a little more inclined just to leave it as it is for a while longer any emotion on this I should do a motion I move that we keep the contract in place second motion any other discussion those in favor those opposed motion carries so if I get a tenant we're back at it again well if you get a tenant and you've seen if you feel you do have traffications down there yes we're back at it so can we at least have a tenant where it's marked out it's already marked out it is marked out so I've got another thing here so you want me to abide by this permit that you're giving me to do whatever I can maintain on that road for 60 right so what about and the town guidelines where they're not supposed to be throwing anything in the right of way are them even the between you guys and you guys are going to need to come together at some point and discuss this as adults and make a solution resolution whatever you need to do okay yeah no problem so they don't have to abide by the permit I don't need to have a good night approval license permits vouchers and applications I move that we approve general fund accounts payable more than number 19 25 with checks 19283 through 19332 in the amount of 147,839 dollars and 76 cents also Northfield savings bank truck loan payment NSB 19-18 in the amount of 5,970 dollars and 23 cents also payroll warrant number 19-25 for payroll from May 26th 2019 through June 8th 2019 in the amount of 42,757 dollars and 5 cents also the May General and tax admin entries and the May reconciled bank accounts for general fund sewer commission your second any further discussion those in favor those opposed hearings lovers lane bridge well as you know lovers lane bridge is closed I think I think I've explained it to you but if you bear with me let me just explain her again the highway department went over to remove some brush on both sides of the bridge while they were over there a big truck went over the bridge and they could see the bridge shake they were concerned they went under the bridge and they saw that there were some issues under the bridge and they called me and we closed it right away I asked for the agency of transportation's bridge inspection team to come out and they came out the following day and did an inspection I have several pictures of the bridge basically it boils down to the bridge needs a new deck this is a deck that is a wooden it's a wooden deck that is paved over I don't know of that and of course the pavement is in poor condition so probably this water getting through and rotting there's one section that you can see where there's a weak spot the bridge was last upgraded in 1994 and at that time Du Bois and King was the contractor and I thought it was interesting because they said the bridge would have a life of 25 years and here we are 25 years later the inspector for the state who lives here in Berlin recommended that we could open the bridge for passenger car traffic he felt it was safe for that a three ton maximum if we decide to do that obviously we have to have the signage that's accepted by the state and I work with agency of transportation we put it on their website there's a procedure I'd have to have Sean help me do what it is I have to do and that's the short term and of course the long term is to apply for a bridge and to make arrangements to start the process of having the bridge repaired you were talking that there was a steel beam that was broken underneath there's a cross section I'm not sure if the pictures really show it clearly but in the area of the bridge that some of the wooden boards came down and pulled that cross beam support in the middle of that cross beam that goes up into the bridge there's a bolt right in the middle that goes up and you can see that it has come away from this rock and the hard part is that if it's opened back up for car traffic you're still going to get truck traffic going over it I think you're absolutely right it's inevitable it's you talked with Clarker we have not gotten that far with Tucker they were talking as far as with close to bridge and you need to they have to go to Chandler Road from Route 12 because they can't go the other way because of the covered bridge in Northfield which Ken is looking at me but we said go that way that's fine but great however but we haven't done it in depth the conversation with Tucker I think that if we did post the bridge I think Tucker would respect the the posting I do agree with Flow that you never know when you have whether people do things that are pretty amazing and given that we've posted other roads before close to traffic and that's not people in the past you know what I mean unbelievable do you have any of the previous bridge inspections? I tried to find that online and the last one they tell me was done in 2018 so I'm curious of what it looked like I do not have that right now does Martin have that? well the state has I've now asked for it there is on this report it does talk about they looked at the bridge on July 19th of 2018 in the comments of that time can you share with me if I read it to you rust scale and pitting continue to affect the areas of the superstructure along the deck and below the floor beams have extensive rust scale with deep pitting along the flanges and rust scale has started to spread into the webs continued deterioration will lead to small perforations a project to clean and paint the lower half of the superstructure should be considered now I'm not aware that we've ever cleaned that superstructure I think the biggest problem that for whatever reason we paved over a wooden deck I think probably the reason was is a wooden deck slippery when it's wet it does add as you pave over it obviously you add weight dead weight on there so this in 2018 and I may not get any more information of what I have here there wasn't any mention about the deck being damaged so I mean I wonder though if it's really just the deck that leads to your place I think it is because the superstructure whether I know about bridges I don't mean that I'm not a bridges decker but it looks really good shape there is you know it's all together it's just that one spot where you could see why it was pulled out where it belonged so cleaning and painting and re-decking I think that a new deck and have that rust removed and cleaned and painted and whatever they do to it whatever they call that do you know the of how much that would cost I just imagine we would or could get grants to cover it but we don't well there should be some money in the bridge fund that's true we do have money in the bridge fund I would think I would guesstimate this job would be $300,000 somewhere in that vicinity back in although clean have to you know deep do if you take there is a swing underneath there too it was great because you can really just take that swing and swing right into the river if you feel like it but so we can improve the swing too we can improve the swing but it's maybe I'm being a little maybe that's more than it would be well I don't think so you look at some of the things if it's very pitiful probably better off taking have to at least think well the piece on top to strengthen it I suppose the thing to do is to start looking for the so I am on the as far as making the grand application and we'll have to start looking into having an engineer hiring an engineer to go and do the engineering work I think what I'm asking the board for tonight should we open the bridge to automobile traffic knowing that this repair is not going to happen until if we're lucky next summer how much of a how much of a hindrance is it for people to have to go around that bridge I'm sure there's a pain in the neck I mean other you know well send them down a dirt road for a little longer you know I mean I guess if you have a choice of going to the river or going to the river if we already crossed out and be like having to it's not a mad thing let's probably get close to the thing close to the same thing there's a shortcut there's probably maybe five homes on that bridge landing itself right and there was no real big businesses in there besides no I was concerned that there was a daycare center at the first house but when I called Peg and he said that the only thing that I can think of as trucks would be heading for is is Tucker's however a pickup truck is what you know that's 6,000 pounds just pretty good you know so people who live on Jammer Road this is connected to Jammer so where you're going to Northfield Montpelier which you would shoot at across town Jammer Road runs from Route 12 right beyond Riverton Northfield to Coxbrook Road in Northfield Falls I move this is my first move I move to keep the bridge closed okay can you put the discussion I just think it's too too risky another big load a truck with a big load and they're like oh looks fine I almost think the agreement with Tucker is the loaded trucks don't go across the just the empty trucks I believe that is what I found out that it's the empty trucks that would go across the bridge 18,000 any other discussion all those in favor all right so we will continue along of getting that resolved stay tuned thank you thank you Nina okay catering Nina thank you yes last meeting I asked you about if you were willing to do a catering policy that would allow the clerk to approve catering applications for streamlining and convenience etc and I have written I did include that in your packet a catering policy catering license approval policy this also includes the alcohol we only can do the catering license for beer and wine and obviously this does not have anything with licenses that would still come to the liquor control board there's a reminder Typo, thanks the bullet points says the select board has the liquor control board period and now I can look at that all night I think we all know what you meant so I moved that we adopt the catering license approval policy any other discussion those in favor all right we will hold motion carries I will remove that period and bring it through next time for signatures maybe I could do it tonight before you would you care to explain this on the car in the Stevens branch well I would love to are we getting pictures well we have a picture I don't know if I have that I didn't print it but the I found out the other day that there was a vehicle in the river it's in the Stevens branch I believe and I am not really 100% sure but somebody decided it was a good idea to drive on the ice and when it wasn't, when it became clear it wasn't a good idea and they are not taking responsibility for who's car it is they know who's car it is and the police have been working officer for gallons and chiefs to get some restitution and some help with this and I have no better explanation but some people aren't responding and it's been there since the winter they did have a local common client out there they also have a roach towing and both of those bother not get it the roach towing it was not safe A&R is aware of the issue and A&R also mentioned that there's a fine for that and I think they'll have the same lot that we have in getting restitution so it boils down to now the car has floated further toward Montpelier I guess is it an uninsured notice pass or uninsured notice well this comes as a shock to you I'm sure but this person did not have insurance so don't worry they have to have insurance to drive your car in Vermont that doesn't matter to some people how did we get down to Steven's branch well they were down there I believe at the trailer bar and their claim was the car was stolen the person had run the car down to the river run car to be repaired I didn't know there was a repair service down there but but basically they drove it so where's the car now about 300 miles down the river in the Washington world where is it where is it now after the water today I don't know maybe it's in downtown Montpelier so in that case it would be great is it going to take a crane to get the thing out of there I'm not sure Jeremy it would take maybe whether it's in a position that someone could loss up to the car and hook on to it and get it out it's got to go over the railroad track yeah but when the water we've had that car isn't that heavy but it's in a current it should be moving down it may be harder to get to or it may actually be easier I don't think it was pushed up it looks like it got caught on the bank those have just showed me a picture of it I'm surprised you haven't heard about it yet because the police department is the only one to know more typically so would you ask the chief when you knew about this oh I know when he knew about it some time ago I don't have a date when did he notify A&R about it I don't have a date but I will ask okay yes so he put his note about this for me I was like yeah must have been the winter so I guess here's the bottom line if we have this car in the river how does that become our responsibility David I'm curious I don't know if it's your responsibility responsibility I don't know maybe maybe it's a state issue they do on the river you could state to one of our representatives so I'm ready to start jumping the river but I'm now the I'm just kidding I just I don't see that okay so this is just for our application right so I think you should be aware that what happened could I make a polite request to the chief that we get a little heads up I have made a polite very polite okay is that date for first meeting July our next meeting the first Thursday and July happens to be July 4th and I can't think of a better night for meeting but perhaps perhaps you can and I was going to ask the board if they would consider rescheduling to Monday July first we had had discussion on the meeting night and I guess I was going to ask Angela to stay still though I have to let me spring that up because closing up tier you know and I don't know I have to ask board members but any night would except for prior of course but Thursday is a tough night I think it's better at the beginning of the week if you remind and bring it up to the board I don't know but so I will I will post this meeting for July first for the first meeting of July approval of select board minutes from 6.6 I approve that we make a motion to approve the select board minutes from June 6, 2018 second one minor correction under hazard mitigation update the cheats last date is final we'll make the motion that we approve the select board minutes with the corrected names when I take the period out thank you and since then any further discussion this is named wrong to it it's all I am yeah it should be L-A-M L-P or is that L-A-M L-A-M S-O-M sorry do I have a motion with no corrections I move that the approval needs a little corrections I second the motion any further discussion all those in favor aye thank you I have a few things to advise you on the first is the exit 6 project that the state is doing on route 89 the exit 6 ramp is now closed and will be closed to the end of the month so they have started that project and it will be rolling roadblocks will be utilized to accommodate the plastic so that has started I received a letter from the Vermont Council on Rural Development inviting the town to designate a local leader to participate in the second annual Vermont Community Leadership Summit at Vermont Technical College in Randolph I don't know if you have an interest in that we have I will send this to you again we had a good delight with just got this the summit the summit is on August 12 which is on Monday we received a letter from the league of cities and towns and they are looking for nominations for the board for their board their board of directors and did a good job telling you what the state plan is for the taxes on schools and finally I received a phone call today from Brad Slayton who lives in Junction Road he is interested in giving the town a piece of property that surrounds the Colby cemetery a little mall that is down there I am not familiar with that area so I may not point this to Slayton to go down and look at it next week I would like to go on that is he donating a summit for you? I think he just donated because he thinks it makes sense to have it there I mean this is an old story stone some of the slate you can't read the numbers or the names of them so I mean it would be up to the board to accept something like that and we would have to do some legal work you should tell the cemetery commission and also the conservation conservation board I will get that to Mr. Hansen who is on the cemeteries half the cemetery commission but I think the conservation board should go to I think it is I don't think it is a big piece of property I kind of think how to describe it if you were to take a mound of dirt and put some gravestones on it you got it I don't think there is probably more than 15 stones in there really interesting place so I will follow up with that and I bet you and Randy have emailed me about another issue what is the full cemetery commission is it three I believe so and you only have to so I hope you always agree that is all I have round table you need executive session not tonight who should who are you all those in favor aye we are adjourned