 I've never seen that gimmick before and I thought it was a thought it was pretty event. All right I found Sky News has an ICS file of all the matches. So I imported that nice Not as nice as what I had 2014, but it works. So yeah, now I've got you know, I'll be up at 5 a.m. To watch Egypt Uruguay By the way, that is that is the difference between the US making the World Cup and not right? Is that like if the US were in it there'd be a lot of random people doing a lot of random leg work So you could be interested in the World Cup. Yeah, probably Who I wish France, Australia wasn't at 3 a.m. On Saturday. I'd love to watch that but I ain't getting Did the athletic Tom and we'll get a cooler of beer After three fun excellent a vintage cooler at that. Well, you know, I'm getting in I'm coming in Saturday to San Francisco to record the gallium audiobook with Veronica Belmont Wait, really? Yeah, it's Saturday. Yeah, just for the day Well, why don't you move that up to Friday night and we'll stay up all night watching stuff Because I want to be awake to record Priorities You're this is a business opportunity. I could I could watch Peru versus Denmark at 9 a.m. Saturday morning Because we're not recording to 12. It's gonna be awesome. What's that? Portugal Spain should be great Portugal Spain win. Oh, that's tomorrow tomorrow Messy passes tomorrow What's that? There you go That's what it sounds like when I have it on the background. I remember one year There was a whole hospital thing that I won't go into the sad But we were watching World Cup in the hospital and the only way you could get it was on the Spanish station So we were just watching it in Spanish. Oh, no, so I will I Will often times prefer yeah vision soccer What if we can spray paint plants? Oh Roger we didn't even talk about your my issues It's gonna be so expensive Cities making Roger water twice his weight and lawn All right, we are expanding the easement. Oh Yeah, Raj, sorry if I missed this you got two minutes two minutes. I had they're expanding my They're bulbing out my my my corners of four corners But mine is the largest because it's like a three-way intersection They're literally taking the easement lawn that I used to water and they're like Literally tripling of the amount of lawn I have the water that isn't directly mine and telling him He can't put drought resistance plants in which I think Sanity what can you put in nothing the city puts it in? It's city property, but I'm responsible for it. That's why they say no drought resistant plants because they they probably have a deal It's not even about cost so much, but they probably have a system where like whenever we do this We get the grass from this guy. He comes in puts it in we don't want to change that up for you That that cost is borne by me. So of course there's the cost About cost it's about trouble. They're like we we have the guy that we call to do this We don't want to have to come up with a new person and educate them I was talking to the contractors like dude I don't think you have the water pressure to To activate all the sprinklers who would cut take to cover that area Like unless like I water that area and don't use the water at home for like, you know five minutes All right, yeah, do you all feel good about the show feeling good feeling groovy? Let's do it Let's do it Sarah. If you would read the pre-roll today. I would Then I will be happy here. We go Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, June 14th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from the shores of Lake Merritt. I'm Justin Robert Young and Outside of a dirt moat. It's Roger Chang. Hello. I am outside the dirt moat because they're doing All about of my intersection. They're gonna lay me with new lawn. I got a water. That's not even mine And I can't control but hey, I'm Other than that everything's great. Everything's great turned into a 45 minute monologue of Roger just savaging his city Hey, it's more than Roger usually tells us Let's start with a few tech things you should know Amazon's web services launch its deep lens at deep learning camera for all developers in the US anyway Deep lens is a four megapixel or a 1080 pixel video camera with eight gigs of memory a 2d microphone array an Intel atom Processor and has USB micro SD and micro H. You may have ports the camera runs on Ubuntu Ames to help developers build their own deep learning applications with support with AWS green grass which is the glue on machine learning library learned a lot today and Stagemaker Sage maker rather which helps developers deploy custom machine learning models deep lens is shipping today again within the US for 249 I Think this is a great great great thing and for 250. That's a fairly powerful idea Google announced updates to its advertising tools designed to help users know why they see certain ads Now users will be able to go into their Google account Account click on the ad settings and scroll through the list of factors that are considered as the algorithm figures out Which ads to serve up? So if you want to know why you're getting ads for a grew a blue sweater because you literally just brought a bought a blue sweater They will show you that you just bought a blue sweater for me It was a reminder that the algorithm ain't good like I search a lot for the St. Louis blues It said I'm really interested in blues music in my ad Oh my god. Yeah in February 2017 Verizon added an unlimited data plan for its US mobile customers unlimited Matt you could use as much data as you want, but Verizon could slow you down any time it wanted This was unlimited in their ability to slow you down a plan called beyond Unlimited lets you use as much of the service as you want as long as it's less than 22 gigabytes After which they can slow you down anytime they want and now Verizon is pushing the boundary of words and meaning with a new plan called above Unlimited that lets you use as much of the services you want as long as it's less than 75 gigabyte After which they can slow you down and everything Nothing goes above unlimited. I'm too fast. Yeah, I mean 75 gigabytes is pretty good limit. Yes for a third misnamed unlimited program No Yeah, all right, let's talk a little bit of more about USB security By the way current period 104 gigabytes for me Apple confirmed that in iOS 12 it will introduce USB restricted mode So that when a phone is locked for more than an hour The lightning port can only be used to charge the phone until the passcode is entered This would stop thieves or other malicious actors who get physical access to your phone from easily being able to steal your data It will also likely force companies like Celebrite and gray shift to come up with new ways to unlock iPhones for law enforcement I mean we talk about thieves and malicious actors, but law enforcement is also in that category. No, that's This one gets me. I'm glad you brought this up Sarah Oh This is this is a story about how Apple versus the FBI has been escalated and every Headline every headline agrees with the way Sarah just said it which is this is about law enforcement That is not what this is about at all. It impacts law enforcement. You're right in saying that But this is about securing your phone. That's why Apple's doing it Apple isn't doing it to upset law enforcement Apple's doing it because if they don't do this then bad actors are going to steal your phone Maybe not your phone but they're gonna steal phones and they are going to get data off them and Apple would be remiss if they allowed the vulnerability to continue to exist for law enforcement. It makes their job more difficult I'm not going to deny that however companies like celebrate and gray shift are very good at finding new ways around things Which is the constant state of security, which is somebody fixes a vulnerability somebody finds a way around it But this story should not in my opinion be reported the way it is being reported. It is Irresponsible this story should be Apple is securing your phone against thieves and bad actors Which has a negative impact on law enforcement not lead with law enforcement However, however, and you're right Tom, however the people who are crying fell the most are in law enforcement I mean, are they or do we just hear the thieves crying in public? Okay, sure, but now the way these things are done by both law enforcement and bad actors are the same exact solution So you can't say we are taking steps against bad actors without the law enforcement saying, okay Well, that's how we do it too. So now the question is do we deliberately things make things less secure and Apple has been Entirely resistant in creating a backdoor for their services for law enforcement. That's what I think law enforcement would prefer To have happened Apple has been resistant to it. So this is just them Actively trying to make your phone more secure. I think Tom's right and I loved his Keith Olbermann rant Resigned sir All right, but but good points all around Uh, okay moving on Let's see how fired up you get about snapchat launching its new snap kit a set of APIs that lets other apps use snaps login For sign up or to make their own bit moji affidahars or display public stories and snap map Content or make branded stickers with referral links now launch partners include tinder where you can you know have like a cute bit Moji, you know, so you can date more easily patreon postmates also launch partners a privacy measure though does actually put this apart from something like Facebook because you can't access the apps cannot access your information if you're inactive for 90 days and Snapkit apps can't ask for things like your email address or your phone number. How old you are? Where you live or who you're friends with and snap is definitely leaning into that a little bit to say like, you know We're privacy first, but I don't know I Think it is entirely responsible for snapchat to create an API that is locked down and protects your personal information This is a pretty good thing Here well, you know, it's funny because it's like hey, you know privacy first, you know Facebook had that you know and a little good scandal, right? So we're not gonna do that But I also sort of read this and I think okay. Well for third-party apps. Let's say I'm I don't know I'm on postmates and there's some Easy snap integration I can use but if you can't access a lot of my data It is a little bit limited So I mean yeah, I yes but I would rather them start this way and say what do we run up that doesn't work because For me to be able to take a snap in snapchat and say oh put it on tinder for my profile That that doesn't need any of my personal information that all that needs is a relationship between tinder and my snapchat account Tinder doesn't need to know anything about my snapchat account other than the name and login So it's gonna work well for a lot of things and then we'll see if they're like Well, it doesn't allow us to do this and we'd like to do that and how they handle that I also wonder whether or not some of the like, you know patreon is is one of the launch partners for this Patreon has their own feature where you have patreon lens where you take snapchat Ask stuff and you post it to your patrons that is a benefit of them having the app the patreon app on their phone I wonder if it's going to be cross posting because that is where I tend to find This to be the most interesting snapchat has had a tremendous amount of very very viral content Only become viral when it gets off their platform And that was part of the reason why Instagram stories was able to get a hold a foothold is that it became very Easy for Instagram stories to be the first place you shoot something then you cross post it Into chat and the way the API works you can't put the snapchat camera in say the patreon app Yeah, you can take a snap and snapchat and send it to another app as long as that apps using the API interesting Yeah, Sony finally responded to the anger over the fact that the ps4 does not allow cross platform play in fortnight With the Nintendo switcher Xbox. Here's what they said We're always open to hearing what the PlayStation community is interested in to enhance their gaming experience Fortnight's already a huge hit with ps4 fans offering a true free-to-play experience So gamers can jump in and play online 79 million ps4's sold around the world and more than 80 million monthly active users on the PlayStation Network We build a huge community of gamers who can play together on fortnight and all online titles Hey, we also offer fortnight cross-play support with PC Mac iOS and Android devices Expanding the opportunity for fortnight fans on ps4 to play with even more gamers on their platforms So if I may summarize We'll listen to you We have the best-selling console so we don't need to do anything about it We have a lot of people play fortnight and we are class cross-platform on PC Mac iOS and Android So get used to it Well, doesn't this seem like kind of an antiquated Doesn't this feel like the last of these kinds of decisions that'll be made to protect the walled garden as As long as consoles it's it kind of ties right into like how much longer are we gonna have consoles really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it seems like now there's just everything is by default Everybody interacts with everybody and it seems it's such a vestigial Organ of the old console wars where it's like nope if you're on this then you're not on the other thing And honestly the only reason you do this is because you you actively don't want people on Xbox and switch To be able to use the ps4 because you want to encourage people to play use the ps4 to play stuff and sell more PS4 is because you're the leader you do the cross-platform if you're from behind Because there you you have less to lose but also is I don't even think that consumers even understand that these oh, no So much now it's just oh I want to play with Jimmy Well, that's a thing like I was making this point the other day and maybe it was yesterday show It's like when you think of it in terms of like where do I see Netflix, right? I love Netflix. What are the hardware options? I have if there are hardware options that shut me out of that that's just I don't know as a consumer Like I'm not interested so this is all it's starting to feel a little long in the tooth Like you can only play this game on this certain console Yeah And the other thing with W. Scott is one reminds us is a side effect of this policy is if you have a PlayStation 4 and Nintendo switch when you play fortnight on the switch You can't log in with your fortnight account because it's tied to the ps4 and it's not compatible So it causes you to either not use the switch for that or create a second account Well, no wonder people are mad. Yeah, or bring your ps4 on the train plug it in Didn't play it the way God intended Sources tell Reuters that Microsoft is working on its own tech to replace cash years and check out lines from stores similar to Amazons Amazon go-store which opened in Seattle in January and plans to open more stores in Chicago and San Francisco Microsoft reportedly has shown sample technology to retailers and has had talks with Walmart on a potential Collaboration so this is really interesting to me because it's you know that I haven't been to the Amazon go-store in Seattle But I've you know, I I've heard it is Fairly seamless, but imagine Microsoft making a deal with Walmart. How many cash years does Walmart currently employ a Lot yes So if we were to wipe out those cashers and again, I'm not trying to you know be sensationalist about this But if you were looking, you know, five years down the road, this is a great money-saving deal for Walmart Potentially whether they partner with Microsoft or Amazon or anybody else who's doing this But and usually what happens in those cases is everybody freaks out and thinks they're gonna fire all the clerks They don't fire all of the clerks. They're like, oh, there are other things that we didn't have enough people to do before and couldn't Afford to hire and now we can't because we save money on the clerks We'll take those clerks and we'll have them do other things. Maybe it ends up with a loss of jobs It's possible. You're not wrong, but it's never as bad as it sounds so I Again, I I do not like this knee-jerk reaction of like something's gonna be automated We're gonna lose all the jobs because it's the same as saying wait you can download an mp3 for free. That's a lost sale It's like now the two don't actually equate because that's not actually how it works in practice So you need to take a more measured approach to like, okay How much are they going to change jobs and where are those jobs gonna? I also think that this is maybe getting three steps ahead of where we are in the board game in that Totally, yeah is Walmart's Job to investigate better ways that people can spend money at Walmart's and I will say I was personally there for the Walmart in Marguerite, Florida They were they put in a automated checkout and it was so complicated for the average Walmart consumer that they took it Right out in two months. So you never know. Well, yeah I mean, this is this is a long way from that because the Amazon ghost store does work If Microsoft can replicate that I think the the the big story here is Something we thought would never work because of what you're talking about actually worked with Amazon They're gonna expand it and now they have competitors rather than being like that can never work Now it's become a platform that people are imitating but here's the interesting thing that Amazon has a tremendous advantage on You'll have an Amazon account and your Amazon account has a good credit card tied to it So all they need to do is tell you to download one little thing not all right Do you want to walk in and buy a thing first download a nap and then make an account and then connect your credit card? Let's move on to Elon Musk. Shall we yes? Elon Musk's boring company won a bid to buy a high-speed express train to Chicago's O'Hare International Airport from the city's downtown area confirming a previous Bloomberg report which Bloomberg Which boring company rather confirmed on Twitter boring company launched 18 months ago. It's fairly new thus far Hasn't actually had a deal like this. It's been digging a test tunnel in the Los Angeles suburb of Hawthorne No government funding is involved in this deal Which means boring needs to finance the construction cost itself Elon Musk Okay, probably has a lot of money But still the winning bid also means that Chicago will negotiate exclusively for boring for one year over details of the project Figure out something then will require approval from the city council. So no digging is happening at this moment, but It will Potentially be dead. I don't know a great deal for what I believe is about a 40 minute subway ride Yeah Turn that 40 minute ride into 12 minutes and the way it's gonna work in case you're confused like wait The boring company is that hyperloop or isn't that the thing where you do you take your car down an elevator? It's none of that anymore keeps changing right now It would be sleds with like Tesla type bodies that would hold up to about 18 people and luggage and Leave like every few seconds. So you wouldn't take your own car into it, but it also isn't a hyperloop No, you'd be able to get off and just get into downtown really fast You'd have to imagine that that no government funding Tid bit of this story is probably the reason why they won the bit Oh, yeah, because Musk what gets to keep all the transportation fare revenue and Advertising revenue and wants to sell people stuff in the pods. So sell them like headphones and snacks and stuff like that Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right big fight shaping up in the EU over copyright. We've touched on this briefly in the past But this is this is something that especially if you're in the EU you want to pay attention to maybe write your member of European Parliament And if you're not in the EU keep in mind GDPR was an EU law that impacted a lot of people outside the EU and this could have knock on effects as well The EU Parliament's legal affairs committee Is going to vote on articles 11 and 13 of the copyright directive on June 20th Article 11 is what's being called a link tax or a neighboring right or sometimes a snippet tax It would require companies to pay publishers when they use short extracts of text or images When linking to the publishers content Now this is something where the publishers have wanted Google to pay them for using this They've tried it in Germany a very similar law in Germany was put forth and Publishers ended up issuing Google a free license in order to ensure they got listed because Google said well We're not going to pay so we'll take it off this new article 11 law would modify this To try to get around that to stop the free license Spain tried to stop the free license by saying you just can't you have to you have to pay No matter what causing Google to stop offering Google news in Spain traffic to Spanish newspaper sites It's declined as a result by six percent or more again the way they're talking about implementing our article 11 it probably wouldn't be as burdensome as the Spanish version was so there's a lot of thought that well Maybe Google could just pay it, but it will keep smaller companies from competing with Google because they won't want to pay it That's article 11 the the snippet tax or the neighboring right article 13 is A mandatory upload filter this one's a mess. I'll get into this a little more But the idea is that it wants to stop they want sites to stop copyright infringing material from being uploaded now Originally, they were saying you'd have to have some kind of Content recognition technology, but then everyone said well hold on EU's e-commerce law specifically forbids EU countries from imposing a general obligation on providers to monitor information So now the latest version says the implementation of measures by service providers should not Consistent a general monitoring obligation, but what does that mean if you're like hey? You should filter out copyrighted material from being uploaded if there's no license for it But also you don't have to monitor the usage. Well, then how does that work? Yeah? So those are the two articles The biggest problem with article 11 to me I'm going to switch back to that one. That's the link tax That's the neighboring right that's the one where publishers say hey Google you on your Google news product You keep putting up an image from our site and the headline from our site and the first paragraph or the first sentence from our site You should pay us for that And there's there's language in this law in this article that says, you know these big companies they go and they scrape They scrape all this data and put it in their own database and make money off it That's not fair. They should pay us for that and that sounds reasonable when you put it like that Unless you realize that every one of these publishers can stop Google from do that There's something called a robots.txt file that they can put up on their site and say no Google allowed Google can't scrape our site and Google will respect that and not scrape your site So the problem is the publishers want Google to scrape the site But they also want Google to pay for the privilege of the scraping of their site that the publishers want So we can call this what it is protectionism I guess it's a form of protection. It's it's not protectionism in one country trading with another It's protecting my business model. It's actually not even protectionism though because it's creating a new Revenue stream. No, no, no, but it's it's a it's a deterrent Like I there was there was a reason to not do it And if you want to get around the reason to not do it you can pay for the privilege to do so But that is protectionism. I mean, there's no there's no deterrence. They're saying they're not what they're saying is We don't want to stop you from scraping our site. Please keep scraping our site and then pay us for it No, but again, yes, yes, I'm agreeing with your motivation But the dark side of that mood is that the dark side of that moon is if you don't pay us you can't do it Right, it's illegal for you to do it. So Google could say well, we're just not going to run Google news in all of Europe There's no indication that they're going to do that though like they did in Spain though I would hope that they would shut it down. I mean, this is this is a law that I think is there Like this is there because They want to continue to prop up these entities or these entities have a strong lobbying effort within, you know, the European Union and I would say that's A it's bad for the internet B it doesn't really Achieve what again like you pointed out what they really want if they really didn't want Google to scrape them Easy for that to happen. Yeah, there's already a mode and then you could say hey, we'll take down The line and robots txt that says you can't scrape our site If you pay us something like you can always already make them do this But they know Google will say well, no, uh, it's not in our interest to pay you for that We send a lot of traffic to you and and in in Spain Traffic declined by at least six percent when we disappeared So you're going to benefit if we keep doing this for free And the publishers know that they can't win that argument. So they want the law to force Google to pay them anyway Yeah, because they don't want to They want to add another revenue stream old media in general and we will define old media by People that still have to pay a printing press to print out a thing and therefore have much higher overhead Uh, they are watching those surks decline. They are facing a world. We're now In the next 10 years, they're gonna have to make very serious Decisions about what they're going to do with effectively how they've made their money their entire existence And they want new revenue streams in the in between they they they see a gigantic cash cow Why should they be making all the money off us for free? It's not fair tom. There ought to be a law Well, yeah, and and my response is well, then Stop them from using your stuff. You have that power. No, I need money Exactly exactly this stuff and when I go totally online. Yeah, it's funny. I just saw e-barge said it seems like we need a Technological solution to this not a law. There already is It exists done It's there And then yeah, we didn't get into article 13 as as much as I would have liked to but that one's just a nightmare It's just going to end up in lawsuits because it's like, uh, you need to filter Which means that there's going to be a chilling effect just like there is on youtube Which is like, well, we think it might be copyright infringing. So we're not going to allow it meaning fair use memes Anything that's on the edge Would be gone from a lot of sites And then you don't know If you're monitor if you're not you're not supposed to monitor but is the how do I not monitor but also filter like it doesn't make any sense Well, probably more to discuss On a later show But for now, we want to thank everybody in our sub or reddit You can submit stories and also vote on author stories to let us know what you care about Daily tech news show dot reddit.com if you want to hang out on facebook great facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show is where you can talk to us there You should email us feedback at daily tech news show dot com and let us know What to think about all this stuff. What for instance, who emailed us today? Michael from uh, he calls it. I hope we don't hit 100 today in texas. Sorry It sounds like it's very hot in texas. It's actually really nice where I live Michael Michael has a little bit of a conspiracy theory. So let's just let's just go with this for a second He says the timing of two announcements this week made me wonder if they are perhaps connected Intel's talking about a new gaming gpu for 2020 Microsoft is talking about a new xbox console in 2020 Maybe intel and microsoft are working together on this just a I'll be honest when I saw michael's email. I was like No, just because they're both announcing it for exactly the same year And microsoft and intel work, you know, you might be on to something I was like that's how my thought process went Yeah, hey two years away michael. Yeah, if you're right, we'll buy you a beer Yeah, I mean I it doesn't necessarily mean that they're working together Exactly, but if you start to say one could conclude if you if they did Uh, would it make sense? Yeah, it absolutely I could absolutely see intel going to microsoft saying hey We'll partly design. 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I also want to mention I should have mentioned this in the main discussion If you want to brush up on the eu situation especially if you're in the eu and you're thinking about writing your member of the european parliament publishers write Dot eu Is the publisher side of the story? And then save your internet dot eu Is one of the places that has the opposition side of the story And there's a few others like that as well But those are some starting places to get each side's perspective on the story So go and check it out and make up make up your own mind If you want to have your voice heard One very easy way to do that is to write us at feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're also live monday through friday if you can join us great 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 utc and find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live Back tomorrow with patrick dorton and len peralta will be illustrating talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com I'm in club hopes you have enjoyed this program Exactly 30 minutes today Nailed it. Yeah Yeah Good show everybody. Yeah good show good show Good show I say old bean Old sport So um What are we gonna call this good show? What do we hold on? She meant Can you dig it? Can you dig it? That's from the warriors movie chicago says can you dig it elan says yes Elan says i will and i'll pay for it What are you gonna do that but i'll pay for Paper scrape and the thieves are crying in private the thieves are crying in private's pretty funny, too I mean there's i think i think you've seen this one before boring company digs itself into a hole Yeah, except that that's kind of a negative connotation and this is this time But i'm like chicago says can you dig it just because of the The movie reference. Yeah, what if we say? Boring company says can you dig it just to open it up or Well, no, but it's chicago that's saying I know i'm just thinking like if someone's like chicago Oh, you're trying to get boring company in the name because then yeah, yeah, no, I see Boring company says we can dig it We can't dig it. That's pretty good okay But the collaborative effort between sarah and bio cow. Yeah Thank you bio cow Couldn't have done it without you And bio cow i didn't turn on my diamond club light today The bio cow made me Let's see it tom had it on the other day Then I turned it off to save the battery Oh, that's so nice. Isn't that nice? Yeah, it really is. Thank you bio cow Boring company says we can dig it. It's funny every once in a while You know a night attack fan will like respond to something of mine on twitter Where I'm like, I don't Sometimes it makes sense and sometimes I'm like, I don't really know what this means Yeah, but but when you see the brackets, you're like, okay. I know who you are Gotcha We're friends we're comrades Hey, some kind of weird inside joke or something. They got me. Oh, it's great. I'm here. Yeah No, it always helps me because I'm like, okay Like oh, okay. I'm my friend good Yeah, I like like what the hell did you just oh, okay got you like oh problem solved. Yeah same team same team Problem solved by the way problem solvers That's pretty good. We'll do it. Oh, by the way speaking in that attack Uh, for if anybody's watching, uh, we did have the tour merch put it up on the internet All the stickers are sold out. However Our rad fanny packs Still available Messy you got to tell me you got to tell me when those sell out And then I can give you the brian brushwood worn Fanny pack that I have in my house Uh, let's say brian brushwood sticker on it. Oh wait, it might be brice castille worn what the brian brushwood sticker Got the brian sticker on it. Yeah, wait. So this is in your house right now, tom. Oh, yeah Why don't we have it on display? Uh, it's in the other room. Go get it Why not I mean, I'll be I'll be right back We got it. This is the the fanny pack here I love that thing. Oh, dude. It's pretty awesome Fanny packs are also like they're like cool again. Are they people? No, like Hard I don't ever remember them ever being cool. Well, so fanny packs they are a It's a way to carry stuff around that, you know, doesn't require you to, you know, use your arm For some reason over, I don't know how however many years it became I like That's like a ha ha mom and dad thing. Nobody uses those But now they're back because people are like, no, actually, they're really helpful This is a neshcom game worn. Yeah fanny pack That was our our brian a a a im sticker Uh, that was in the sticker pack that have sold out But anyway about bit.ly slash night attack merch a story that we told on night attack sarah is uh, we were done with the la show and we came back and we were uh because we had not drank enough at that point we went to a bar and There was a woman there that was very upset because she is a bag designer She saw my fanny pack and she got very upset Because she feels that this new resurgence In these bags Is leading to cheap bags flooding the market when she has Something that is oh, yeah, because there are no cheap purses in the market. It's all the fanny packs I think it's safe to say that she was in her cups and there was a reason why she was being as as Angry as she was but uh, that was the first that was like one of the times that I realized when we bought these that this is actually like Kind of fashion forward or at least like it is enjoying a resurgence It's the bum bag resurgence the fanny pack is back Whether or not you want to you know, wear one all up to you But yeah, some purse maker being like why are you doing this to me is like Yeah, that doesn't really make a lot because she then inspected the bag Like she asked to see it and she was like stress testing the straps and like like opening this the zippers really fast Or zipper really fast. It was a weird scene Did she finally come out on the other side of it like okay, this is a fine No, she said it was crap. She didn't like it. She kept looking at it with disgust She would like open up the zipper and be like Have we you know not to throw anybody under the bus? Have we looked at her personally? Uh, oh, she showed it to us. Uh, we did find the website and we have declined to mention because we told a very unflattering uh to her version of the story on the on on the uh On the podcast that we have declined to give out The website but right and that's probably for the best for the best Suffice to say maybe she You know, they're very feeling a little bristly She showed us she showed us the bag and it was good. It was like a double shoulder kind of thing Uh, I think it is kind of more for if you're looking for the designer version of a bag to wear to a music festival Uh, uh, then that would be a good way to go about it, but Right. Yeah, the next time I go to a music festival. I'll definitely want to have a designer version of a Shoulder brit like what are we even talking about? I just want to hold my you know chap stick Here's here's why I think the fanny pack thing is coming back is the rise the popularity of Uh, yoga pants and tights like yoga pants and tights. I feel like over the past five years Have become way more Just a a thing not only with with girls, but with guys too. I know a lot of guys that just wear yoga pants things Well, so, okay As the as the token woman in this uh in this conversation I'll tell you yoga pants have been around before any of us were alive It'll be around after we all die yoga pants for men. I agree is like Okay, you know kind of kind of a new phenomenon Cool. So wait, what does this pants are new? But you wouldn't you agree that there is a resurgence in their use? Not with women women have been doing this for the dawn of man. I don't know Trust you me tom merit. Hold on. Hold on. Hear me out It's not that women haven't been wearing yoga pants for since they were invented I haven't seen them wearing them in as many different situations As they seem to in the past few years like Give me an example of a situation that just like grocery shopping at dinner like Every it used to be like oh if you saw someone in them, they were either having a casual day or they just worked out Now it's people are just wearing them in all I feel I feel I see people wearing them everywhere I would say it's less yoga pants for me because I think that that kind of athletic wear has always had a space in any kind of fashion let alone my albeit paltry understanding of women's fashion what I would say is more of a thing is Tight only because there are so many selections because printing them is so cheap from China that like any of these things that are just Right make more of you can have more fashion options. I feel like that has Exploded at least in my household. Ashley has bought more tights than any other fashion thing that she bought And you're also in the bay area. So it's like tights are great, right? Like you got to queue it outfit, but you got tight so you're not cold later type thing um, I will say and uh, you know Yoga pants for women They've they've been around I know I Not arguing they haven't been around But like their use has has boomed and declined. I as someone who's hate attention somewhat, uh on a on a Purely academic basis. They've been around since I was a kid. No No, no, no what i'm saying you know what i'm getting what i'm gonna say is I have seen their use in all the situations you alluded to Wait when I was in junior high at least junior high regularly every day All over the place. Okay. Yes. Okay. Oh, yeah So you don't think there's been any neither one of you think there's been any change in the usage of yoga pants No Then explain this denver post story from april 28th Uh called how yoga pants became the new jeans That is a clickbait story tom. Perhaps you've heard of no, it's not Yes, it is World view it must be. Oh goodness gracious the new york times february 17th Denver people know more about yoga than even la people perhaps It's it's you know, sometimes you just want something stretchy. That's Uh, that doesn't need a belt Doesn't need a belt And also like you can eat at a restaurant and people might be like you're casual But like you're not being inappropriate the new york times february 17th Many were dressed in the latest fashion leggings with patterns of translucent mesh cut out of them like sporty doilies The person who wrote that article was no, no, no, no, no, that's a particular now Fashionable that's a different matter if you're just talking like straight like tights yoga pants You're that article specifically referencing like design, which is new. I will give you that like design That's that's where i'm trying to go is like this. There's something new here But you're you're alluding to the fact that people are wearing That general genre of outfits more so now than they did before and I don't agree now. They might be wearing ones that might be considered high fashion Compared to like just the the ones you would get at the athletic, you know section of the department sir fast company April 2015 there was a time when wearing anything less than a tweed jacket or a tailored shift left you undressed in a college classroom What's with all the yoga pants wait denim sails are down Buying for a piece of the lulu lemon market tweed jackets in a college classroom I've never seen that in my life. No, go go back go back to the forget that stupid sentence Denim sails are down the athleisure trend is hot and everybody's vying for a piece of the lulu lemon market Oh because it's stretchy and comfortable. Well, no that thank you I I that could lead that means that they're increased sales, which is not something I didn't uh, I don't agree There's something that I do not I just Change in the usage of these So I remember going to the grocery store and there are a lot of women who wore them because they were very easy to put on And they would wear them with flip flops and they would just wear a t-shirt on top It's not I this was back in the early 90s again again No one's saying that this was invented yesterday. No one. No, I'm not saying that it's invented what I'm saying is the NBC news march 25th move over yoga pants is performance denim the new go-to for busy moms I don't know NBC news probably not Can I can I ask you a question sarah? Do you have a sense that genes have faded in popularity over the past 10 years? No, no No, not at all genes have become stretchier Okay, which we all Thumbs up to that. Yeah, you know depending on if it's the first of the month or the 15th or the 30th I need a little stretch Okay, you know, we'll just leave it at that. There's a long The whole idea other pants fashion trends start Yoga like yoga pants for anybody who's like yoga. I don't do yoga. What does that even mean? Like really we're talking about It's it's it's leggings, right? It's tights But you can wear them alone because they're not, you know, you can't see through them They used to be referred to as stretch pants. Yeah, and that's exactly what they are so so in that sense like No, everyone just likes stretch and there's stuff a little bit more Especially when it, you know comes to the lower part of your regions when You know, you want something to be hugging but not restrictive Uh, so I heard a story and this could be totally hearsay because it came third hand that They're a a CEO of a major A genes retailer was lamenting to somebody in a moment of Privacy that They as a CEO screwed up by not buying lulu lemon when they had a chance that they have that they felt that this was A shifting sand that they did not he as a leader did not do his due diligence to uh Bring under their corporate umbrella and part of it was because he was seeing Declining gene sales and obviously a rise in that kind that brand lulu lemon specifically brand of athletic wear Well, he probably has a point lulu lemon is wildly popular and it's you know, not it's yes Do you want to run in you know sports bra and and some yoga pants great? Yeah, we're just kind of be cute and then you know feel, you know Like you're not being sort of schlubby great lulu lemon has done really well with that clearly not the only brand to do so But I mean the stretchy pants debate Cannot be settled today. It is too complex. There are too many perspectives on it By the way, all of all of this is to say that as these things have become popular or remained popular or became less popular the uh the idea of a fanny pack Pocketless pants and that's where it all started. That's right. That's right. Hey cool fanny pack night attack Let's really argue with each other about friend of yoga pants The debate will continue for patrons uh for those watching on the video. Thank you so much for For tolerating this discussion And we'll see you soon Hi everyone Just