  definite と సిటా నీనికిలూడినినికాణనిం కిందియెట్నినుటామెను కిటిందాకిం. ὀ ὃ ὁ Ὀ � 사람�ἇ ᴢ ὅ ᴅ ᴬ ᴉ ᴅ eken, ὅ 厲 ᵉ ᴉ ᴦ acting ὁ ᵍ ᴂ ᴏ ᴇ �uren ᴍ ᴍ ᴵ ᴜ ᴏ ᴏ ᴀ ᴇ ᶜ ᴏ ᴛ ᴲ �óᴊ ᴮ ᴜ ᴛ The term religion and culture means different things to different people, while it is difficult to establish exact definitions of both. It is possible to gain an understanding of the concept and their relationships to one another. Dong you want quickly first what came to your mind and up on to ooty I mean, or is it Are great with him on one hand I don't think to be honest I don't know has happened to us or is it nice and I think as a countryソkشan chant in Africa Maybe venues beuk shý always do this býkouse wide was Bom energes balls really John Let's each play its parts as it should be I don't think that and we have personal choices and people can decide to do whatever it is that they want to do But let's not now make each one, yes they can be what's the symbiotic so to speak But at the same time I don't think that we should hold on tightly to one and say because I'm a Christian Of course I'm a Muslim because I practice Hinduism This is what it should be Don't whatever else it is that my culture says No I don't think we should do I think we should respect our culture and our traditions I'm a very, I stand culture and tradition in who looks actually Interesting Utti, what do you think? I think that it's that That we have eroded our culture Funny enough for an import Let me put it that way It's so easy to misinterpret things It's so easy to go overboard Because I think that's also the area where we are playing in Nigerians are not known to do things by halves We go to extremes right But it's funny how when other countries who have preserved their culture We love to see it, we love to watch the whole pump and pageantry When the queen was being buried When all of these things It's all down to culture right Wasn't it a few weeks ago When the new British prime minister When the old picture of him was circulating Of him actually putting down I think it was lighting candles or something At the front of the house on Downing Street So we've successfully eroded our pride in our culture Now because also We really are not passing down A lot of the significance of these things People don't understand it right And typically what you don't understand Or what you don't have knowledge about Is easy to be misled They are part of our culture, no doubt Our original religion is not Christianity So they are part of our culture to be Or different, should I say, traditional religions That have negative connotations But if it comes down to our different tribes and cultures It's a representation of who we are And we have voluntarily given it up Even language is not being passed along But a lot of these things we are losing And it's just sad that we don't understand How much of our identity we are giving up By doing these things and imbibing other things And these things should be mutually exclusive They shouldn't really be impacting each other But like I said, it's easy to go overboard All in the name of how you interpret one thing And replace it for another I want to say more, but as we go into the discussion The relevance, what would I call it now The relevant explanations or examples can be given Can come up, right? So I was just going to ask Because again, this is supposed to be a man of God A clergyman, you know, given this kind of conversation So what do you think the major reason is For why it is so quick for religion Because yes, the question is Should religion override our culture And clearly we have established that no, it shouldn't be They should be able to operate on their own You know, separately We should be able to do the religious thing When you need to do it And do the cultural thing when it needs to be done But all the time we see that if given an opportunity A lot of people would drop culture And pick up religion Why do you think that is? Because again, I'm trying to wrap my head around You know, what was that factor What makes it so easy for you to sell religion Quickly and people buy it faster That they would buy culture and cultural abilities Where is that disconnect? You want to help me? We teach it Is that? We teach it So for you to, for me the answer to that question In the disconnect is We don't teach the reason for the culture So like the example that he was given Right? What is the story behind Or what was the tradition That led to palm wine being used You know now, if you take that whole marriage example For example What we think about is a white wedding What we think about is how we get married But let me even take it to a different culture Let's take it to the African Americans Back in the day when they used to get married What did they used to do They used to just jump over the broom That was the sum total of their marriage ceremony Today they've infused that into their own church wedding Where you would normally see when you watch the movies What do you see When they finish, when they want to turn around They would put a pretty broom on the floor And they would jump over it That's the culture that they preserve Right? The understanding of the history of That was the only way Because they were slaves They belonged to each other Right? They belonged to their masters That was the only way Between themselves They could make a covenant to say We have chosen each other That was their culture They preserved it till today And they understand the history behind it It's the same thing for us If you ask now How many people I'm sure when you are getting married Who are they telling you one rapper They put one beat here They told you go They told you come Sit down here I'm sure in all of that You were just watching The significance of it all You probably had no clue You probably never stopped to ask your mother Why did they do this? Why did they do that? As much as I loved my culture I think I wanted to sit down And go and research And say okay There's a lot of ceremony When it comes to Secure traditional marriage And I needed to understand what it was And it was a very interesting bit of research And it just came up with a competition For my sister She really liked this outfit And I said no This is not our outfit This is the edo outfit And I said I had to school my sister And I realized Halfway down Even me myself Part of my knowledge was missing So a lot of the times We don't understand the significance Behind why we do what we do So how can you be connected to it It is what you understand And you have a connection to That you will preserve And because for us now The thing we have put our Fitched our attention And the thing that we understand And the things that we are Actively learning about Is now religion Subject interpretation Because again It does what it told you And how you take it And then which extreme You are going to take it Absolutely Because I just want to make One biblical reference Even if the good Lord Turned water into wine I just leave it there You know I mean it's so interesting It's really spot on Because again I'm just thinking in my head In a week In a week You learn something or two About religion There are some churches That they have Tuesday And Thursday service Some churches have Wednesday and Sunday service Right Then even for some churches They go the extra mile To have like Like foundation classes I know I've attended I have I attended from 100 level to 400 level Classes Believers classes in my church Right 100 level to 400 level This is like Four weeks of Or even two months Of 100 level to So like To multiply that By the number of levels That I've attended How many people Right Can go into and say This is a school of culture Right For instance now The Edo culture A school of Edo culture Where you are learning The culture And you are asking questions Just like the way You will study the Bible And everything So I think I mean it's really spot on Why people are accepting More of religion That the cultural parts of You know what we have Chinello You wanted to say something I was also going to say Civilisation has also Happened to us as well So people are no longer People believe Oh, if you now If you believe in certain I'm trying to think of Any particular culture That is peculiar to certain tribes now Let's just Any particular culture You can think of Any particular tradition You can think about People then think Oh, because I'm civilised Because I now live in Lagos Because I'm in the city I shouldn't be caught Practicing this I think civilisation Has played a very big role In shifting people's mindsets From culture And tradition now To practising religion Basically You see When you say civilisation I laugh I chuckle Because it reminds me a bit Because I hear That my Bini history I pardon myself In case I blunder But I will go back to read it But I hear that You know When the white men came Into the Bini kingdom then They saw those lamps On the road The street lights So when you talk about Who saw the idea To us that our culture Was uncivilised Right? Who saw that idea to us Because when you say civilisation I'm wondering We were very civil We were very organised We were very You know I mean Help me out here Because I don't understand Who saw the idea That culture is not a When you are practising Your culture You're not a civilised person Maybe from the From the oceans of days Yes So again It is not down to what First of all Let me chuckle Back chuckle a little bit Who I remember The conversation we were having At the Was it two weeks ago And we were born in blackness The story has been propagated In a way that it Benefits the propagators of the story Now In the absence Nature abhors a void In the absence of information Something else will fill the void So we have actively as a people Bought into the concept that Our culture is not Right I mean Not only would doesn't help Because not only would too Are shaped At least a generation Of people Who now see traditional elements As fetish And this is not to say There aren't fetish ones And negative ones But we've sort of created This negativity Around what should be preserved So we've essentially Absorbed somebody else's culture And culture is learned It's not a culture of what We've all come together To accept and invite this culture Now that our ways Were wrong Our ways Were bad Our ways Were negative Right And because we are not Let's even just take the most Basic part of our culture Let's take language How many children today Speak their native dialect You won't try, you speak Hausa But think about Our generation Our own children How many of them today Speak the language In a way that My mother was very particular about You must speak your language If you don't speak your language You don't have an identity How many people are In viewing that into their children today That is just language So if you don't even have language How do you even want to Learn more about your culture Take what we wear today As traditional outfits We've left our traditional outfits Beyond the bright What we saw today Is we are showing foreign styles With local fabric Wait, wait, wait So do you want me to come tomorrow And tie up my chest Because that's what traditional outfits look like Adam, man Really Don't give wrong your way And we check with the MBC code See, listen You know me I can come out naked If you allow me Take what we wear to work today Is a good example again Right What, if you Can you tell me that A man that is wearing Natives Like up and down Doesn't look smart But we've defined our own dress code As suits and tie Is it ours? No It's in this key And in this weather Should you be wearing suit and tie Let's take it Why they're not inside their feet But so you just want to mean We've left the culture We've accepted somebody else's culture And that's what has become learned And we've allowed ours to be eroded Because you go to other countries And you go to castles That are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years old You walk through, you take pictures This is somebody that These are countries that They will say they are western world They are first world countries But they preserve that culture They preserved it for decades Absolutely Let's take a break When we come back from the break We'll continue the conversation And we'll open our phone lines Stay with us, we'll be right back Alright, thanks for staying with us Now if you just tuned in It's our ladies night out And we're discussing something Really interesting We're asking should religion Overwrite our culture Now please let's hear what you have to say Remember you can join the conversation Send us an SMS Or WhatsApp to 08-1-803-4663 You can also tweet at us At Weissho I've got one of the hashtags Weissho Our phone line is now open Remember turn off the volume Of your television set When you're calling us And the number to call Is 070-25007749 That's the number to call Alright, so I mean This is a very interesting conversation Uti, if you leave me We are my rapper Tight on my chest We are my bitch And I will come here As long as you people don't Yank me off air But I'm good But hey And I think I get where Uti is coming from Because I know that now Even us as parents Our generation We are teaching our children Mandarin We are teaching them German We are teaching them Spanish We are teaching them French We are forgetting That they have traditional languages Local languages That they are not I mean My children struggle with Learning the Yoruba language In school So they were so happy The last one That just moved on To senior secondary school Was so happy to drop the language Because at least you You are not obligated To do it once Once you have passed GS3 As simple as that language Somebody has sold it to us That is not We sound barbaric We sound uncouth We sound You know all of those things Right So now People are dumping You know What they are supposed to embrace And embracing What they are not supposed to embrace Again Religion Why it is now A lot more even acceptable Most religious body What do they use In passing the message They pass the message In English language You see your pastors Wearing They don't wear the traditional outfit If pastors are wearing The suit and the tie The pastors So it is kind of Like now hitting home Why You know You would see that People would naturally Want to just drop everything Culture because It seems like And again You don't hear gory stories Of ritual killers Of all these people using Like maybe there is a death In the land And they have to bury With some heads You know Go and get virgins And all of those kind of things Those are the stories That they sell About culture The other good part Of the culture Like for instance Now Why do we have to wear the beads When we are getting married In the Edo culture Do I know No But I wore it anyway So now When we are having this conversation And I am beginning to now Hear these things It now gives me Okay Yes A clearer picture To understand that This is why You are not appreciating What you have And that is most times What you see Is people that lived abroad Or are still living abroad Right They appreciate and they value Our Not only Not only our food Our language Our dress Every single thing They value it more And appreciate it more Because they have seen The western world That some of us Have not been Previous to see And they know that There is something richer You know, back home I was also thinking I mean Like I said At the beginning of this show I stand culture and tradition I tried the good part of it I mean all those parts of when Somebody else I was speaking to my friend I said Okay, we are talking about Culture and tradition So when we say In Igbo land for example In the past When a man dies They say his brother Then covets All of his belongings And his possessions Including his wife That doesn't make any sense Why should a woman Be compelled to do with another man Who she didn't love in the first place Because that is culture Or that is tradition So things like that I think have been Those are the ones That they are now Trying to You know, let's go But at the same time I think Maybe this is why People have also moved on From culture Because now The Christian religion Or the Islam religion Has come to tell us that Oh, it doesn't have to happen That one man on wife You know You can just leave Because if your husband dies You can go ahead To marry somebody That does not have to be Your husband's brother You know So people are now Moving to religion Because if you say More comfortable place To be That justifies Every other thing That you think is right In their head So Let me come to you I like the example That Chinelo just gave Right And I still come back To the why In those things So it's like In the past When people had A lot of kids were Because they needed People They needed Two months Let me put it that way To work their farms So they needed large families Right It's the same thing I don't know what the history is Behind that But there will be something There will be a reason Why that was the rule At the time Because It's very easy to think If you buy the narrative That we were barbaric Right And a lot of the time The old stories are not told From our perspective When you watch Stories like roots And you watch all those movies About slavery It's always told from The perspective of The white man Right How much of that perspective Is told from our own side There are very few movies I think Twelve Years a Slave Very few movies That actually focus on Where and why The kind of people that we were Before The so-called White man came And gave us mirrors And shiny things And guns And whatever We had our traditions We had our cultures And we were running fine We had our empires Some of that history Still filters down today I mean I know we talk about The What's the king does My and all the wives The only Of ife And how in today Today's world It sounds ridiculous To marry those That many wives Right But it's culture It's what they are trying To preserve Before we get to where we are today Where you now are trying to juxtapose The law of religion Versus the law of the people Versus the law of the land So we are all trying to find A balance of which one We want to strike And culture is a living breathing thing So it's constantly evolving Around What we are experiencing What we are living And what we are doing So we are almost in What I would call The culture of religion now Religion has become A driving factor for us It's part of it It's ingrained in our culture now So you can see it now In pitting these things Where people are saying I don't want to drink I don't want to use palm wine I have even In some of the conversations That I have had in the past If you look at the traditional Marriage ceremony Normally they would pour Some of the gin On the floor For the ancestors Even that Some people will say You are invoking this You are invoking that So I like the part where The priest said The priest said If it was that If that was the real factor Then all of you would not be here Because they have been doing it For generations Before you came So sometimes we also need To stop and think And ask the why Because the why is so important When we don't query it When we don't ask ourselves We just accept that Oh, they said it's wrong Or they said it's not And you don't ask why It's like being sheep The sheep dog just pushes you And says Oh, go into this place Because that's what the farmer wants Whether the farmer wants it Because he wants To kill the sheep Or he wants it Because he wants the sheep To be fine And he can share the wool And make money The why of the farmer And his dog Trying to hurt the sheep The sheep don't care They just do what they're told So what questions are we asking What are we Are we truly understanding The impact of our culture But we don't have enough examples Was it when The Olu of Ray was being crowned I think I learned I closed so many gaps In my knowledge of my culture That the why Because one of the media houses Had a Shekiri historian Who was talking us through The entire process So much that was learned In that experience Why can't it be taught Why is it not being passed down And it's funny Because we come from a culture Of storytelling But even that culture now Is lost I mean it boosts it down to do Once upon a time Even that was lost now Exactly Because now TV is taking TV is taking over How many local stories And the local stories That we are watching The Nolibu Zanko They are helping to erode The culture just as fast The only thing they show us About culture these days You see that funny man That has the look and say With the red clothes And you know He's just going there to do juju So that has just It has created that impression So even kids now They feel like Anything that has to do With the village Or anything that has to do with Is evil Is evil And talk about the evil forest The evil days The evil that That's as well For Nofuti What you said about the Oluwobori You know When Because I know him personally And I would never have thought That he would want to take up That position Knowing the kind of religious background That he has They are actually very good Christians Christians So I was surprised When I heard that He was not going to be Coronated the Oluwobori And I asked I'm like Okay so all of the traditions Of him being You know He's secluded for a while They have to do certain traditions Is he going to do all of those things And that's what he said to me Of course If he doesn't do those things He cannot be crowned Oluwobori You know And he didn't open my eyes Because I didn't saw a post That he had put up And then his wife Had also put up saying They had gone through this process They had gone through that process I'm like Okay interesting to see that People that are actually religious Are willing to go through these things So I like the word You just use now So are we Are we Breeding religious people Or we are breeding spiritual people Do we have Because again Spirituality Is completely different When it comes to Practices of religion There are religious practices But the spirituality of it Is what is lacking Because now again A lot of churches A lot of all these people Are just focused on their activities The spirituality of the You know The individual Is missing Is a big gap And that's why we have a lot of problems Where we have today You know But hey Who are we Would you Would you really look forward to having Like a school of culture Definitely Definitely A school of arts and culture It's very important Do you see when we go to Western countries So to speak And then you see You visit a palace Or you visit a castle And then you see Those ancients It's beautiful to see right So why can't we have Those kind of things in Nigeria Where people come And then you see Where there is culture That's actually preserved It also goes And I think it boils down It affects us in every way It even affects tourism For example These days People are not looking for What's going to places like Olumorok Yankari game reserve Afi mountains Because they just feel like What is there to see What there is a whole lot to see If you go to these There are those caves When you go there Then you hear the stories Of how people used to hide How people used to do It's amazing I think people A lot of people need to Begin to encourage And you know Accept this culture And look forward to You know Preserving and seeing these things Because it would even increase Our what's it called now Income Or should I call it GDP in Nigeria So we have It's something we should Actually encourage in Nigeria Uti, how about you If you were to advise Government to create A school of culture How would that school look like I mean So I mean You guys know I went and found the teacher To teach my child Because Not that I can't speak it But I'm just not patient Enough to teach And I wanted him to learn So I also learned It's been spoken in my house So I don't necessarily know How to write it properly Or how to read it properly So I wanted to If it's only that For the 500 and something Plus languages That we have in this country Teach our languages Let's even document Let's leave history Because history is A very sensational topic In Nigeria But let's even Document our traditions Right So a lot of the times These days What do we do In traditional marriages Even that culture Is not being passed down again Why Because now You have people that Have turned it into a business So once you have An alaga The alaga understands That's the person conducting The traditional marriage Right Speaking for the families That person is the one That knows All the rights and traditions now Right So even some of the older ones Don't even know the traditions So if you didn't have That person present To say okay This is what we do now This is what we do next That gap was You understand that That gap was What created that job That job function That not enough people Knew this culture So somebody had to come And essentially be an efficient In what should be your tradition In what people used to teach Their children To say When somebody wants to come And marry This is the culture This is tradition This is it Now it's left to a handful Of people Who are passing it down And earning money from it But this should be something That everybody in your house Knows how to do Do you know how to break Colour not Do you know What to ask for What to expect The elders themselves Is getting lost So even if it comes To do those things Back to the question Language Teach the culture Of Even if it's just the marriage Ceremony Teach the culture Of you know Burial What is the real history Behind it Why were these things Being done In some places They throw you in the water I'm from south south They throw you in the water To know whether you had Any hand in the husband's death In some places They shave your head There were reasons Behind all of these things We can now In knowing the reason Understand that Something is now outdated So we no longer need To understand What we understand Yes We understand it And we say Okay this was our culture But this was the reason why It's just the same way Today We are the twin capital Of the world But this was also The place where they were killing twins Absolutely And you know The funny thing is that For us now We were circumcised You know as girls And you know I mean Growing up now You now come back And look at it and say Okay this You know this And this and this So there is What's it called Advocacy against Female genital mutilation Right I mean those things Because again The idea for circumcision then Was the fact that They didn't want promiscuity So that was the rationale That was sold That girls that were circumcised Were not promiscuous But now What's it called It defiled all of that Because It's promiscuity happens Regardless Whether you're circumcised or not I mean so Those kind of cultures I get you Uti We then re-evaluate them And see okay Which one is serving us Which is no longer serving us Let's quickly take our comments I think we ran out of time Okay So this one is Austin from Delta And he says This is a controversial topic Culture is the identity of the people About the language The food, the dressing And the dance There's nothing wrong Using permwine for traditional wedding But my concern is that Most religious bodies Don't know where to draw the line Come to think about it It's the traditional marriage Where dowry is paid That is approved That is approved White wedding is just complimentary However Some cultural practices Should be jettisoned For instance There's a culture where a male visitor Is offered to sleep With the host's wife Yes Should we continue to allow that You can do it now No please Wow I didn't even know that Some Christians take chieftain to titles And when they die Crisis arises As pastors and kingsmen clash On who will take charge Culture is good Wife is true Christian It's important to draw a line And don't get tangled The cultural ties That will subject your spouse To undergo torture In the name of culture Please think and strike it So that part of burial There's always an issue And that one is from Tiv The TV people Once you go to their homes They will give their wives To you as a gift If I was a man But Ute Let me hear your comments Good evening So my comment Good evening My dear beautiful sisters Of ways Should religion override our culture The answer is no We should not ignore our culture No matter the religion We believe and belong to The earlier we begin to teach Our children and our culture The better They should be taught Their mother tongue Which is very important Some clergymen and pastors Should be careful With what they tell Their congregation Congratulations to ways On your third anniversary How time flies I've never expected To be a fan Of you beautiful ladies You are wonderful And amazing That's why you've been A great and amazing host Of this show Keep it up I really appreciate you So thank you Daniel Thank you For consistently Watching the show Thank you Daniel Go ahead Ute Finally Actually it's just interesting All the different examples That we've given That burial one That one is from Tiv Too many things Burial at that time Is a time of grief You don't even know Right But there's so much I remember when My mother passed And I was supposed to notify The people In the neighborhood Where her house was That she had died And they said Oh no That I couldn't just inform them That I needed to write That I needed to bring A bottle of gin in my mind I was like Are you guys crazy? I have a million I want this to deal with That I'm supposed to come And then Like do you know what I mean But when things were done I had to do it When the dancers came From the village I paid you to come They said No You must go to the bus To use gin and cola To call them down from the bus I'm like Are you guys kidding me? Well So I think Yeah So I think We've had a very good conversation today Because The crock of the matter Is education Behind why things are done Maybe to help Give a better perspective But thank you so much Uti Thank you Chinelo We've had a fantastic conversation Now before we go And show you Follow us on social media Hola Social media handles That way show Africa You can interact with us Further drop a comment More importantly Follow all our engagements And social media like Share and invite your families And friends to watch And follow the conversation Alright So if you missed our quotes For the day here it is again Day who seek religion For culture's sake Are aesthetic Not religious And will never again Will never again That grace which religion Adds to culture Because they never can have The religion Okay We'll see you guys tomorrow At 8pm Also bring another great Conversation to your screen Enjoy