 Hi everybody. My name is Charles Dillard. I'm a principal planner with the Office of City Planning at the City of Burlington. We are going to start tonight's meeting with a couple brief presentations. One about the proposed South End Innovation District zoning work. Another about a related project that is the multimodal transit feasibility study that is being conducted by a consultant BHB for the Regional Planning Office. Then we will turn it back to us at City Planning. We are going to be using a novel software Miro. It's an online app for engagement. I'm going to give a sort of orientation to how we use the app. Rest assured that we understand that there's probably going to be a learning curve. In the breakout rooms to which you'll be assigned, there's going to be ample opportunity for varying levels of comfort and ease of use here. If the meeting tonight is seeming a bit too complex or you're finding it hard to follow, then rest assured that your meeting facilitator from the Office of City Planning will be able to sort of help you engage and provide input, which we're very much looking forward to. I think we're probably going to have folks rolling in. I'm going to go ahead and give a very brief presentation about the zoning district. Then, like I said, you'll hear from our friends at BHB. Then we will get into Miro. Without further ado. All right. Can everybody see my screen here? Great. All right. This is again a meeting for the South End Innovation District. It's a virtual public meeting. That is the next in what's been a series of public engagement opportunities. We've been to the Ward 5 NPA a couple times now, actually three times now, I think, to sort of speak and have in-depth listening sessions with those members. We had an in-person public meeting last week at Generator, which is just down on Sears Lane. Had some really great conversations with members of the public and tonight's exercise is really going to basically replicate what we did at last week's in-person meeting. There will be additional opportunities for engagement that we'll talk about later in the evening. All of the activities that we're taking part in tonight will be left open for some time for you all to sort of engage with at your own speed over the next over the coming days. So what is the Innovation District? Many of you, if you were around and participated in the Plain BTV South End planning process, are probably aware that the sort of notion of an Innovation District really had its genesis in the Plain BTV South End area plan. Recognizing that there was a transition that was ongoing in Burlington's economy and on the waterfront in the South End, particularly, the community and the city sort of decided that this part of the city is sort of right for some transition in the way it sort of is oriented in terms of Lane use. And since that time, there has been a sort of good amount of office activity. You've seen things like the Innovation Center and HULA have been very successful in the last few years. What's important to note and what probably a question that many of you probably have about the Innovation District is why is housing being considered now? So in the Innovation District, in Plain BTV South End rather, you probably recall or if you don't, the Plain actually did say that housing should not be permitted ultimately. That's what was adopted. There was a detailed discussion about this, about whether housing and residential usage should be permitted in this future Innovation District. Ultimately, the plan that was adopted and approved again said no residential uses. But since then, in the last five, six years, I think it's become apparent to so many folks in the community, including many we've heard from, you know, in the last few months when we've been engaging on the Innovation District is that housing, there is truly a housing crisis across the sort of spectrum. There's a lack of housing, there's lack of affordable housing, there's a lack of housing specifically for artists and makers who really make the South End what it is. And so reflecting that the mayor and the current administration and its Housing as Human Rights Action Plan set a goal to look at the South End as a place where new homes could be created. And so that's really what the Innovation District is in its sort of conceptual stage right now. So what are we talking about in terms of the boundaries? So the Innovation District is here in this, this is the sort of working boundary and there's actually going to be an exercise tonight where we're looking for input on sort of what the ultimate boundary should be for the district. But the boundary is roughly between Howard Street and Sears Lane and west of Pine Street. So nothing today east of Pine Street and the working boundaries. We're focusing here on the sort of larger properties, most of which have sort of large surface parking lots where other sort of underdeveloped or underdeveloped portions. And again, this was the area that was highlighted in Plan BTV South End as a Innovation District. So this is just a rendered illustration from that plan. So you can sort of see what the vision was at the time for the Innovation District. And so we're going to be asking questions tonight that sort of trying to help us refine what this vision should be and how it should develop, you know, should build, should we allow buildings taller than what's shown here? You know, what should, how should the streets and public spaces look and feel? What sort of land uses should be permitted in the Innovation District? So here's the intent here. So the intent of the Innovation District again is, you know, ultimately to create an evolving vibrant urban district that has a mix of uses, building scales and types. It should be a place potentially for hundreds of new homes and neighbors, but also a place that carries on the legacy of sort of parts and making and light manufacturing that have existed in the South End, you know, throughout Burlington's history. And to tie it all together, it should be a 21st century district that, you know, reflects innovation in all of its facets, including the way that it should limit emissions, the way that it should protect and clean our water, and also foster a healthy ecosystem. Just a little bit more detail. This is a tough link to follow, but we'll share that in the chat as well. So the Innovation District's story map is a really interesting sort of catalog of information about the existing conditions, about the history of the area, about some of the sort of facets of the zoning framework that we're working on. So I urge you all to, after tonight's meeting, you know, in the coming days, weeks, check out the story map. There's a lot of really cool information there. Sarah Morgan from our team led up the creation of that. So if you have any questions about that story map, you know, Sarah and mine and Megan's information are on our website. So before we kick it over to VHB to talk about the feasibility study for the transit and multimodal center, I'm just going to lay out some next steps here. So July 12, next week's planning commission, we are planning on updating the commission on the works of date, but most importantly on what we've heard from members of the public, from what we've heard from members of the Ward 5 NPA and other stakeholders. In July and later in July and August, we plan on taking a draft zoning amendment to the planning commission. And obviously, it should be known that, you know, that amendment will obviously incorporate as much as can the public input. And there will be additional engagement events in the next sort of month or two and on throughout the sort of public process planning commission and city council. Thenatively, we are planning on setting up at the farmers market and in addition, we're looking at opportunities to take some of the sort of physical engagement material out to different parts of the city. And we will update everybody on our website. So if you're already plugged in, keep checking out the website, we'll send out glass on the front porch forum and everywhere else we can to keep you updated. And ultimately, the goal is by the end of the year to have an adopted zoning amendment that would permit, you know, a range of different uses, including residential use in the south end. So with that, I'm going to stop sharing and then we're going to have a presentation from our friend, David, Celadino, and Jeff Dubia. Okay, great. Thank you, Charles. And see if I can share my screen here. Let's see, is that showing up for everyone? Yes. Good. Okay. So yeah, thank you, Charles. And as Charles alluded to this, this is a bit of a diversion, but it's this project specifically lands kind of right in the heart of this innovation district. And so there's a lot of overlap between the discussions. And so it made a lot of sense to kind of integrate these two presentations. And we're just going to do a quick, quick kind of high level overview. And we can certainly get into questions as we get further on in the session. So with this, this, what we've been tasked with, we're working with the CCRPC in the city of Burlington to look at it's essentially a feasibility study to develop a parking garage, transit center, and potentially some other uses, including housing on at 68 Sears Lane. So we're looking at feasibility. Are there any major red flags that were preclude parking garage and transit center for moving forward on that parcel? Looking at parking demand, how many cars would want to park in this location? Developing a couple of options, along with cost estimates for that facility, identifying where funding could come from to build this, and then communicating that information as we're doing tonight out to the public. In terms of project schedule, we kicked this off back in April. We had our first round of public outreach really just to get general input back in May. We've now developed some alternative sketches based on the input we received at the first public meeting. And Jeff will speak to that in a second. From here, we then move into kind of developing the preferred concept plans coming out of the sketches we've come up with so far, based on input tonight and other places we've been seeking public input. We'll have one more round of public outreach in September, and then we'll wrap up the report, essentially talking about the feasibility of this assessment, a feasibility of this facility in September. So here is the study area in yellow. The yellow box shows the 68 Sears Lane parcel. It's a three and a third acre parcel. Just to the north is 125 Lakeside that's privately held. The Sears Lane parcel is owned by the city. Just north of that 125 Lakeside is owned, is a private entity, just over six acres there. And as many of you are aware, just to the east of this, of both sites, is the Champlain Parkway right of way. This graphic here just shows on the left, it shows kind of how the, how things looked a couple of weeks ago before construction started, and the right shows a diagram of how it will look once the dust settles on the construction of the parkway. And this, just from the previous graphic, I just wanted to show there is, so this is from the Plain BTB South End, and just to note there was a parking structure noted kind of right in this location. So this is kind of building off of those recommendations from the Plain BTB study. We're also building off of there was a study done that BHB had done back in 2006, looking at a similar facility in a similar location. That was, the report was a thorough report, but essentially kind of put on the shelf until now, until the point at which the Champlain Parkway was moving forward. And so that is at long last coming to fruition. So the Parkway is moving forward. As we just heard from Charles, there's some residential zoning overlay potential here. So maybe opportunities to integrate residential use, and then the plans for 125 Lakeside are also advancing. So all of the stars are seem seeming to align for some potential development here on the site. So in terms of the development program itself, things that we're looking at, transit center, so an opportunity for, you know, similar to what's on St. Paul Street, down to the downtown transit center, kind of a place where buses can converge, we'll have some EV charging stations, some shelters, some places indoor facilities for to wait out of the weather. In addition to that, a parking garage right now, we're assuming up to 600 parking spaces, looking at potential for housing on the site, and then maybe some other uses. Our charge is to develop two different concept plans, one with housing and one without housing. And I think with that, I'll kick it over to Jeff to just run through those concepts. So you'll see the, we actually have developed three concepts so far. One has no housing to have housing. So with that, I will pass it off to Jeff. Yeah, thank you, David. So this first concept, this is one we had created without housing. So we're showing the garage on the right along the Champlain Parkway and then the transit center in red along the railroad tracks, anticipating that a lot of the shuttle service would come from the north and sort of travel through the loop heading south. That dislocation of the transit center also gives us an opportunity if there is a future rail platform in Canopies to sort of integrate those two different functions with the rail and the buses. This concept sort of sets the transit center within a larger open space there along the tracks and maintains a connection from the Burlington bike path and the lakeside neighborhood on through this transit center site to the Champlain Parkway, linking up with that multi-use path along the Parkway. This does separate the transit center function from the main roadway that we're anticipating that might connect Sears Lane to Lakeside Avenue, but we are exploring how this 68 Sears Lane transit center could function independently of any future development that might go on 125 Lakeside Avenue. With this option, with all options really, we're assuming that the garage would be four stories at about 140 spaces per level. It gets us to about the 560 spaces that we would anticipate needing for the institutions, Champlain College and UVM, as well as some for public parking on larger events or Pine Street overflow, things of that nature. We are showing how bus Canopies in that number three there could sort of capture buses traveling north or buses traveling south, and how there could be an opportunity to have additional spaces for charging stations or buses sort of just waiting in their circuit. So, David, if we jump to the next one, these are a few images you might recognize the one on the left, the downtown transit center in Burlington. We are in conversations with GMT to understand how big of a facility they might need. At this point, they're thinking it might be something similar to the downtown transit center, so it could have a similar look and feel, and even with the Canopies the way we're showing them, it could function largely the same. On the right, I think we'd be looking at a nicer facade treatment, if you will, for the garage itself, but this sort of indicates how the transit center could be integrated into the garage structure. So we'll be looking at that a little bit more as we go forward. Next. So the next two concepts explore this idea of integrating housing into the site. So the building on the left that you see, this is the ground floor of a housing building that we're suggesting could be proposed on site. This ground floor is a little unique in that we're maintaining that connection from the bike path through the site in that gray seven area to get folks to the transit center, but also traveling onto the Champlain Parkway. We need to rework this a little bit. We now understand that that needs to be emergency egress for vehicles and in the event of a flood. So things might shift around a little bit, like the transit center might shift up into that parking area that you're seeing in six, but above this level would be three plus levels of housing sort of adjacent to the development and the transit center itself. The footprint for the garage remains the same as in concept one. It's got a similar function to it, but does integrate this idea of housing. We're also suggesting that there could be a connection on the second floor connecting folks from the garage to the transit center, just knowing how tough Vermont winters are, but we'll also be exploring maybe integrating the transit center itself into the garage. So that's sort of a refinement that we've got moving forward. We jump to the next one, David. This is just a quick diagram to indicate how the ground level functions a bit differently from the upper levels. So again, on top of this ground level, we'd have three floors of housing, three plus, and that bottom one would be a bit open to maintain access from folks on the West to get to the transit center or pass by on their bikes to get to the multi-use path. Next, there's a great precedent just down the road on 89 in Montpelier. This is the new downtown transit center. It functions a bit differently in that the buses circulate underneath the housing levels that you're seeing in brick, but it's nice that it gives the transit center itself its own identity as compared to the housing. So it certainly is a good precedent for us looking at the site in this sort of option. Next, then concept B2. This one's a bit different in that it integrates housing and different functions within the garage itself. So imagine wrapping the garage with housing or some other sort of use, whether it be a transit center, perhaps artist spaces, different gallery spaces, what have you, but this one would have that ground level sort of open through the center and allowing the transit center to pass underneath the garage a bit different than what we've seen before. This one preserves a lot of open space against the railroad tracks in front of housing that we're seeing. We think there's opportunity to refine this one a bit to show housing on that north side or page north of the garage itself to integrate a little bit more with any future development that we see on 125 Lakeside Avenue. This would shift around parking a little bit, but we think we can make it work. Also, this idea of opening up the transit center, like not spanning the transit center itself with the garage and keeping that just open. We wouldn't want to create an environment that is uninviting perhaps. So we've got some refinements to this. We'd love to hear your feedback on it, but this was a starting point for us. Next slide, dude. Again, this is just a diagram to show how the ground level is a bit different in its treatment. A lot of it would be sort of open to permit the buses passing through on that north-south connecting road as well as a punch through of the housing to allow vehicles to enter the garage. Again, I think there's some refinements to this one that we can make, but this was a starting point in the conversation for us. Then again, the idea of the three levels of housing above that ground floor. Next one. Here's some images. This is a pretty common thing in development these days. Nobody likes looking at a parking garage, so this really helps screen the parking garage itself. The top two images on the left there, I really, really appreciate. You can't even tell there's a parking garage behind it when you're on that main street. But it does work really well in terms of integrating the uses. Oftentimes you see sort of a gap between the housing and the parking structure just to permit more airflow and get light and circulation into the space. So it is a pretty common thing that we're seeing these days. Next one. This was an interesting idea. This is coming up in conversation more and more as years go on, we anticipate not needing a car as much with autonomous vehicles, better mass transit, more walkable and bikeable cities. So just trying to think through the long game of how these parking garages operate through the decades. One idea is to create an adaptable structure where you might have taller floor-to-floor ceilings, no internal ramping within the garage. That would give you the opportunity to transition the garage structure to say office spaces or retail uses or even housing. So the concept that we just saw with the wrapped structure does rely on that external ramp that you would need to accommodate a use like this. So that's just one thing that we're thinking through how this might work and operate and sort of the longevity of the structure as well. This is sort of just an overview. Again, with all of these options, we're assuming that we would be at a four-story structure, both with the housing and the garage. So with concept A and B, we see again the same amount of parking spaces, but concept B1 introduces those 45 housing units. Concept B2 has a bit more housing integrated into it, about 65 housing units and a little less parking. But we still think this accommodates the needs in the area. I think we're still trying to right-size the transit center itself. It looks like about 2,500 square feet seems to be the right number, maybe a little more, maybe a little less, but just trying to think through how that operates best as well. So there's a couple modifications. We'd love to hear your feedback as we sort of refine these concept sketches and bring them back out to you. Thanks. And just to bring it all home, next steps here, we'll be out at the farmers market next Saturday with boards and flyers and more information looking to get more feedback. We'll take that back and develop, refine these alternative sketches. Jeff was alluding to some of those refinements that we're considering. We'll be back again for public meeting in September, and then this all wraps up at the end of September. With that, we'll turn it back over to Charles. Great. Thanks, Jeff. Thanks, Dave. Okay, folks. We are going to, I'm going to share my screen and sort of orient everybody to the platform that we're going to be using for tonight's meeting. So one second. Okay. So in a few moments, you're going to be sent to a breakout room in Zoom. For those of you who've not ever participated in a Zoom breakout room, essentially it's a Zoom meeting within a Zoom meeting. Your breakout room will have a facilitator from the Office of City Planning. Those facilitators are Megan Tuttle, the planning director, who many of you know. And Sarah Morgan are relatively new planners, many of you do not know, but Sarah's great. And the three of us will facilitate these three breakout rooms. So what you're going to see when you enter the breakout room is a screen that looks something like this. The exercises that you see here, I'll zoom in in just a moment and sort of show you how these are working. And then your facilitator will go into more detail. These exercises are essentially a replication, again, of what we did last week in person at Generator. When you first get in your room tonight, the first exercise you're going to do is this top one where we're going to simply ask you to take one of these orange stickers and place it on the map where you live in Burlington. So just as an example of how that might work, I'm going to sort of scroll in here. I'm going to select this guy. I'm going to unlock them. And then I'm going to drag it over to where I live. And that's it. So this is just to help us understand where folks are coming from. I should say also that before I go any further, that again, and I'm repeating myself here, this is a sort of learning process for all of us. We're trying to make this work as engaging as we can. Many Zoom virtual meetings have surveys that are really useful, but sometimes not the most engaging. And so we were looking for an opportunity maybe to make this a little bit more fun as a way to sort of ask some questions that might generate some really interesting conversations within our breakout rooms and within the larger group. So bear with us. If you're finding that tonight's meeting is a little complex or convoluted, there'll be more opportunities for you to get your input provided to the planning work. Just a little bit more orienting folks to Miro. When you log in, there's going to be at the bottom left here where my cursor is a sort of sidebar icon. So if you click on that, it's going to bring up this sidebar on the left that shows each of the five frames. So Miro calls these frames. So we've got five of them here. So if you want, you can leave that sidebar open to help you navigate between them. So if you want, if I want to go to frame two right now, I just click on that, then it would take me over to frame two. Another way to navigate is to if you're on a computer and you have a mouse or you have a scroll pad, you can just like many applications, you can use the scroll pad to zoom in and out like I'm doing now. So now you see the full extent. So if I want to go to frame four now and I wanted to do it with the zoom, I can just scroll in here and see it. You'll notice that these images become clearer as I zoom in and that should work for you as well. Just a note here, if you're on a phone or a tablet and this is not ideal setting for you, use your breakout room to either tell your facilitator directly or chat with them what your input is. So if you're on a phone and you're not able to do it this way and you're using this exercise and you're in Sarah's group, you can say, hey Sarah, I want to put my green sticker in food and drink and I want to leave a comment in one of these post-it notes here and here's my comment and we'll help you that way. Otherwise, if you are on a computer or if you feel comfortable doing this on your own within your breakout room, you can sort of go at your own speed. We're going to spend about 10 to 12 minutes in each of these groups and each of these frames rather. So by the end of that we're hopefully we'll be in here for about in your breakout room for about 45 minutes or so. Just a few other things. If you are on a mouse or on a computer, another way to... Sorry about that. Don't know what that was. We have... You can scroll if you press right click on your computer or on your mouse. You can go side to side. These boards are... Most of them are locked. So you shouldn't be able to move the actual boards themselves, but you will be able to move these post-it notes and these stickers that we're calling them. So again, those are locked. If you do happen to move something unintentionally that you didn't want to move, you can do control Z, undo. You can right click and undo or just tell your facilitator and we'll take care of it afterwards. In the upper right hand of your screen, you're going to see some icons. In my screen right now, I see one that says CD. So that's me, last name is Dillard and SM for Sarah Morgan. If you go ahead and so your facilitator's icon will be up here. Your icon will be up here. If you click on your facilitator's icon, you can actually follow them along and your facilitator will have the Miro board open as well. So you can follow with them or you can follow on your own. You can also change your username when you come into Miro. The program is going to generate automatically an anonymous name for you. If you would like to add your real name to that, feel free to do so. So that is about it. The last thing I'll say here is that if you are on a computer and you feel comfortable sort of competent with this technology, you're open to you. I would suggest maybe having one window open with Zoom and one with Miro. It's not necessary. You can simply have the Miro board open your screen. You'll still be able to hear and talk and use the chat and communicate in Zoom. So whatever you feel comfortable doing. We're going to leave after tonight's meeting. We're going to save all of this information but leave it open for a few days so you can come back to it. If you feel like tomorrow you wish you would have said something else or added a little bit, another comment, you'll be able to do that and we'll leave it up and we'll let you know how long we're going to leave that up. We're thinking about a week now. So that is about it for folks who are coming in later. You're not going to be hearing this but we've got Samantha Dunn from CEDO here. She's going to be helping. She's going to stay in the main room. So for some reason you get kicked out or you accidentally leave your breakout room. Samantha can help you get back into your room or answer any other questions about content or about the meeting. So it looks like people are joined. So I'm going to go ahead and stop sharing and again we will see you all in your breakout rooms shortly. Thanks for that overview, Charles. Just so everyone knows, I did just add a link in the chat to the Miro board that Charles was just previewing for us. If you'd like you can use that link to follow the board directly and engage with the board directly and as Charles mentioned if you're not feeling comfortable doing that yourself no worries when we get into our breakout rooms your facilitators will also have it up on the screen and we'll be able to help you add stickers and comments to the boards for all the content. So we have actually split up everyone that's here tonight in just two breakout breakout rooms so that we have good numbers of people to have some conversation. So we will see you over there in just a few minutes. You shouldn't need to do anything if you get a little prompt on your screen that invites you to join a breakout room say yes I'd like to come and we will see you there. I think we're going to have folks trickling back in from the breakout rooms it looks like people are still active in the Miro board so again if you weren't in the Miro board you know we're going to that link is shared with you and we'll share it on the website so that you can access that. Remind everybody if you missed the intro presentation that we've also got something innovation district story map that is linked on our website and that has a lot of really great information so if you were finding that you thought maybe you needed a little bit more a little bit more information or history or background on any of this that's all there in the story map and again urge you to to share the link. Jean did you two get were you able to we finished all but the land use types so Jean and Bob we're going to finish that up on the survey on the story map link. Awesome thank you Sarah so again so it looks like folks are in Megan's group are still over in Miro that's okay if you want to go back right now or after the meeting feel free again I just want to reiterate that this is not your last opportunity to provide input we've had some really great conversations we had some good conversations tonight and last week and it's really clear that people understand you know the importance of this work for the south end for the community generally. So yeah I do urge you to share the links to the story map into the Miro board with your friends Jeff and Dave from BHB who presented earlier about the multimodal facility they're going to be out at the farmers market on the 16th they've got some more engagement opportunities if you if you want to really get down into the details on 68 Sears Lane that's your team so you can see them at the farmers market on the 16th tentatively we're planning on being there as well by we I mean perhaps Sarah maybe attending the farmers market and where we'll have some sort of physical engagement material asking similar questions maybe the same question but please tell your to your friends family co-workers about that and again this is a so for those of you who are sort of unfamiliar zoning. We will be presenting next week again to the planning commission it's just to sort of update on what we've heard in the community a sort of summary of the feedback a summary of the discussions we've had with stakeholders and the summary of the sort of work we've done. We know there are some important sort of questions related to infrastructure that we didn't necessarily address in this meeting tonight but things like wastewater, stormwater, traffic capacity, bike and pedestrian amenities, the energy performance of buildings, parks that sort of thing. So we're all rest assured we were covering all of our bases here but we'll present that sort of update to the planning commission next week but then later in July and in August the office of city planning will be presenting a draft zoning amendment to the planning commission and those are public meetings as well it's a different format than tonight but that'll be an opportunity for and those are you know because they're public meetings there's a public comment opportunity and so you'll be able to you know speak up there as well and the benefit of those meetings for you is that the planning commission will be there to hear your comment and as they deliberate on the amendment the draft amendment and as they refine it in their own way and as we work with them to refine it that'll be another way for public input to be incorporated and that process you know will probably take a couple months itself and then it will have a process a very similar process with the city council as you know those are public meetings as well and the city council would would benefit greatly from from having your your input so it looks like folks from Beggans breakout room are trickling back in to the main room well that's quite all right um looks like people were having fun I think we we had some we had some good conversations in our group if you guys did too um we're just telling people urging people to to continue the work on the Miro board again we're going to leave that up we don't know exactly how long but it'll at least be the next few days so um we'll we'll share that information on the website so in the meantime please do share the Miro link with your friends and family who you think might be interested um are there any folks who have any sort of closing comments questions that you'd like to to address here I'd like to see that all of the future meetings for this if there's any chance for us to get together and meet face to face that would be terrific but nonetheless if we continue to do it by zoom um just continue to advertise so that we get a heads up and we can you know zoom in or participate I think it's uh you know you guys have really done a great job and technologically I'm shocked at how well this went so congratulations on that I am so thrilled to hear that thank you maria you should put it on front porch forum so we know about it thank we will do that I think we we did post it but we will be sure to to post it I posted it on mine I didn't see it before maybe you did thanks caroline no problem thank you guys you if you do have a few neighbors um we did have somebody who left the meeting because they weren't able to participate in the technology tonight so if you know of any neighbors that wanted to come but didn't stay uh let us know or let them know that they can reach out to us and we'll find a way to get them like a hard copy of what we did tonight so that they can participate as well yeah thanks Megan well you should put that on front porch forum too one of the questions I have is um Megan uh had mentioned earlier uh or Charles I'm not sure who but said that you'll leave something open so that we can go on and peruse for any of my neighbors that weren't able to join the meeting tonight or uh so we can add comments I I didn't do anything with the mayor tonight uh in terms of sharing a screen or whatever but um could you like educate us on how we would follow up with this and and watch it progress yes so um I just shared again the link to that mirror board uh in the zoom chat Maureen do you see that in the in the chat something just popped up but since I'm focusing on you and yeah I'm not that technically advanced but uh something I did see that you you sent something through so okay I'm hoping that it comes through like will it come through in an email Megan title to everyone we can okay we can email all the participants and all those folks who registered for the meeting and include that link to the mirror board I think we're also going to post the mirror board link on our own website that Megan just linked to also in the chat um on that website there is also a link to the story mat so this you've got the sort of trinity of material about the innovation district um yeah so that's what we were talking about we would leave the mirror board open for folks to come in at their own pace um I think we're probably going to leave it open for a week or so so anytime you know this weekend you want to come back to it or you want to you know send the link to your friends and have them do it that's that's what we're talking about we're going to make sure that we um save all of the input that we received tonight and copy it over to a separate board that we'll keep for ourselves and for record keeping but we're going to leave this one open so that you know everybody can can view not only provide their own input but see what other input people about it yeah caroline you have a question um yeah who did the design on this on the work that we saw tonight wow this was a truly a team effort um but is it city city people or architects or yeah all city people all city people okay well just thank you yeah thank you for asking that question caroline yes um it was really charles and sarah's work so a huge thanks to them i think they've been able to put together a lot of really informative information and um we hope that it's helpful um i did want to mention too as charles said i did put a link to the city's website um we have a page that's specifically about this innovation district work so all the different links that we shared with you tonight and the ways that we've invited you to participate and share your feedback will all be centrally located there so we'll make sure that goes out in an email to all of you after tonight's meeting terrific thank you um i have one more question sure who owns the parking lot the big parking lot do you have any feedback from them on what they might like to do yeah we've had conversations with all of the property owners within that working boundary about you know what plans they've already been thinking about over the years and what they might contemplate if the innovation district is created um and i think it's safe to say that there's uh a somewhat general consensus about you know things like um new streets connectivity through the sites if there's development on the sites um i think developers feel fairly comfortable with height limits of the kinds that you were seeing you know four six maybe eight stories in a limited fashion um but yeah i you know there's been we've had some really good conversations with those property owners and other property owners um what else can i say about that are they ready to move are they just sitting around i would not say they're sitting around i think they're doing a lot of work um and you know anticipating development one way or the other yeah i think there's a lot of interest in activity i think uh from hula to sort of continue their own operations in the district but also to create homes for people who might be setting up shop at places like hula or the innovation center i think there's a very strong interest from the owners of hula and the owners of 125 lakeside to create more homes for people who are working in the south end and working in burlington it's it's hard for everybody yep yeah marine um what percentage of that 125 parking lot is hula and what percentage is dbt and is there a mandate that they and you work together to develop it in accordance with all the work that you guys have done separately from or together with what they've done is it going to be a joint effort or is there going to be a hula innovation district and a burlington vermont innovation district yeah i mean that's an interesting question i mean ultimately however those property owners or any other property owner develop the site they'll either have to conform to the eventual innovation district zoning regulations so that might be height regulations or uh use regulations or any other type of regulation or there could be yeah to your point a sort of detailed negotiated process um uh site design coordinated with the city there's no mandate i would say that either one has to happen there are certain infrastructural constraints and barriers that we know about that um will have to be handled in any situation i'm talking specifically about wastewater and storm water uh traffic that sort of thing so um you know it's extremely unlikely that um there would be development without some serious conversation and negotiation about all of that stuff well they're going to have to ask for permits and such hey that's right so today yeah that's a great point you know the the capacity of the wastewater system for example today would likely seriously limit their ability to get a permit to develop the site how they would like to see it developed um talking about the number of um people generating waste the office workers residents that sort of thing so yeah there would need to be some discussion about what's the capacity of the infrastructure how can we improve the capacity infrastructure and who's paying for it yeah i think the kind of broader uh comment that i just wanted to add is you know definitely trying to plan together um even if ultimately the city's area and the hula property maybe get developed separately we're trying to plan together and ultimately a lot of the questions that we were asking you tonight are about how do we set the zoning rules that will help guide any future development whether it happens together or individually so you know megan one thing i would like to ask both of you and charles is what mechanism is in place that once the permits are let that city officials check back on a regular uh basis to make sure that whatever the permits were requested and the permits that were let that the organization i.e. for instance hula is actually following to the letter of the permit that they were provided and so that has not happened here on lakeside avenue and it's become a serious point of contention because they were supposed to have a parking management plan where all of the hula people could park on their campus and so they're charging for parking for instance and so a lot of their residents tenants and guests park on the street and it's caused a lot of contention and a lot of traffic congestion and so there needs to be a mechanism in writing in place that says we're going to give you these permits based on the written word but we're going to make sure that you are following the permits even after the building is built the houses are built the roads are built it needs to be a mechanism in place to make sure that if they are not there are consequences yeah thanks marine um and we can definitely talk about that i know that in some parts of the city there are newer requirements around reporting on parking management plans and you know that's definitely something that we can uh make sure to talk about more as we continue this work so super thank you i have a question uh for charles or or megan or maybe even sarah uh at the next uh presentation could could you also could you define and also have a drawing that talks about the the limits of the innovation district or what areas are we talking about yeah so i know you mentioned from sears lane you know north to somewhere and you know presumably from pine or is it the new champlain parkway west or you know what what are the uh the perimeter boundaries of what the new innovation district would be and gene involved unfortunately that was on the fifth slide that we did not we were not able to get to but on the mirror board you'll kind of be able to see when you access it after you'll be able to see the proposed boundary and there's also information on the story map and website okay but yeah on the on the website in the story map and and just a little bit more on that the story map actually lays out a really interesting history of the of the waterfront and why certain areas are the way they are today why there's contamination and why so many of those uses today uh are surface parking lots you know formerly industrial areas and that's it sort of all helps sort of build the story and so yeah i would urge you to check out the story map you know it would help you answer that question thanks i have another question when and if um does the city want to start building the serious lane area well i would the the work that um david and jeff shared earlier is a feasibility study and just keep that in mind so that's just basically to understand you know what if anything could feasibly be developed on the site i don't think there's meg and i don't think there's any specific plans on the part of the city or the regional planning commission to develop the yeah once we know more about the outcome of the feasibility study it'll help inform us on any potential next steps but so we don't have a specific timeline for doing a development on that site at this time so it's just a possibility next year or ten we're doing some planning for it right now yep okay thank you you're welcome and then on on the the the parking structure that was kind of the main thing that i was hoping to talk about here i guess is there is there a better place in the future another meeting to talk more specifically about that feasibility study and get community input um because i this was the first meeting about this in general yeah david do you want to comment on that yeah if um jack if you're if you're available next saturday we're going to be at the farmers market um all day we'll be there from nine to two so that we'll have materials we'll have some forms to fill out so if that works for you that would be perfect i mean thanks thanks save all right do we have any other comments questions again thank you everybody so much for coming we really do appreciate it um this is really important work uh to hear to hear your input so um yeah please share again i'm gonna say one more time please share the links um that we've shared with you tonight uh with your friends family co-workers anybody really do you think would be interested and would have valuable information to share and we look forward to seeing you at the next event keep in mind next tuesday the planning commission will be updated on on all of this work including a summary of what we've heard from you and your neighbors on the date and stay tuned and uh hope everybody has a great evening thank you