 So welcome everyone. Thank you for joining us in the community-based adaptation TVF 15 forums first thematic workshop of the innovation for adaptation stream. My name is Sushila and I'm working as program manager for managing risk through economic development, a multi country resilience plexi program of mercy core, and I will be your technical facilitator for today. So our session today is called innovating to improve the ownership, sustainability and multiple actor nature of community based adaptation, a discussion and challenge initiated with examples from Uganda and Nepal. So let's start with the basic basic housekeeping rules. The meeting is recorded and some part of it will be available on the website at the latter date. So we, we have taken security precautions and discourage uninvited participants to join or post inappropriate comments. If you see any such content please notify us through the chat function and we will remove them immediately. 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Then we will hear from the presenter from Nepal and Uganda team, and we will break out to the breakout rooms to discuss further on how we can innovate to improve the adaptation in multi-actor nature of community based adaptation. We are excited to have you all here to pick off this innovation for adaptation stream by discussing the sustainability of adaptation actions and how that can be improved through working with multiple actors, especially focusing on private sector and developing enterprises. Without further delay, let's begin with hearing from the keynote speaker. I would like to introduce Mr. Chet Thamang. Working in the capacity of regional program director for Mershikore, Chet is leading the managing risk through economic development. MRED program, one of the flagship program on disaster and climate resilience in Mershikore. The program aim to build resilience of vulnerable communities and household to flood landslide and other climate-related stocks and stresses in Nepal, Indonesia and Timor-Leste. He has more than 16 years of experience in national and international development, specializing in developing and managing disaster climate change resilience program with extensive field experience in emergency response and recovery, DRR, WASH, water resource management, DRM and Chet holds a master's degree in interdisciplinary water resource management and a bachelor's degree in civil engineer. Chet, the floor is yours. Thank you, Susheela. Hi, everyone. It's great to be part of 15CVA conference and deliver a keynote in this session of innovating to improve the ownership, sustainability and multi-actured nature of community-based adaptation. Let me first touch on why we are here. As highlighted in the session title, this discussion will focus on importance of multi-stakeholder partnership in CVA. And we believe that this is important to sustain the effort or results that agencies put into to build the capacity of most vulnerable to be resilient to climate-related shock and stresses. Particularly our focus will be on how we can incentivize the private sector engagement towards the local action. We have two innovation stories to inform discussions on the hidden potential for adaptation through enterprise. But there is much more to explore and learn from all the participants here as there isn't a one-size-feet-all solution. A model that works in one context may not be applicable in another place. As a social, economical, political, ecological factors may affect the uptake replication and sustainability of approach or interventions. We will hear about the unique context problem and approach taken in two different continents that promotes the multi-stakeholder partnership, particularly with the private sectors. We hope the discussions will reveal more innovative approaches and potential for adaptation through market and enterprise. As this year also, the CVA has to be done virtually due to the pandemic and I hope everyone is safe coping and adapting well with the COVID. Currently, the COVID situation has reminded again that dealing with the global crisis isn't possible without a wider and diverse multi-stakeholder partnership. For the first time in our history, we have seen the rapid development and deployment of COVID action which was never seen before. COVID is still spreading but it would have been more disastrous and COT if there wasn't the commitment of the government and the private sectors in partnership. This also applies to the climate change adaptation world. The CVA approach has evolved since its emergence in early 2000s. Since then, the importance and the role of multi-stakeholder has also evolved. The early stage of climate change work was focused on intensive research to build evidences of climate change and its impact and to advocate for climate change. However, immediate attention for community-based adaptation was also realized to build the capacity of communities to absorb, adapt and transform in the face of climate-related shock and stress. The global climate discourse continued emphasizing the commitment of global north, donor and government which resulted in increasing financing for CVA work and also the community-based approach also had been found to be very effective. However, the sustainability of an approach or interventions post-program has remained a challenge. We have learned that sustainability of an approach or interventions also depend on the scalability of the approach but the scalability isn't possible without ownership and replication with the engagement of the wider stakeholders and more importantly investment from the private sector as well. Particularly, there is more scope for private sector engagement as the private sectors are risk-overs. The engagement investment isn't at the level that we expect or we need. The conventional corporate social responsibility models are found to be tied to the private sector business development model. It's time to think of a different approach where we can find a win-win situation for stakeholders whether it's a public, private or civil society. In addition, context also plays a big role when it comes to the ownership from the government and incentivizing the private sector to invest in CVA-related activities. We've seen same programs with a similar level of efforts and delivering different results just because of the financial and technical capacity of the government and particularly the weak market also limiting the sustainability and scalability of the approach that we are promoting. All of this affects the ability of vulnerable household or community to be resilient to climate-related shock and distress. And today we are fortunate to have a group of very diverse speakers representing donors, private sectors and CSOs to share the experience. We have learned a lot from communities that we serve, so we do from participant present here today. We'd love to hear what different or how differently we should work to promote a multi-stakeholder partnership in community-based adaptation. Let me stop there and as we have other speakers to add more as well. So thank you. Over to you, Susheela. Sorry, I was on mute. Thank you so much. Thank you for setting the scene and sharing the objective of today's discussion as well. I truly echo to you that it's time, it's a hard time now to think the different approaches where we can find the win-win situation for all stakeholders, either it's public, private or civil society. So now we have Gabriela Merucurio who leads the innovation program at City Alliance, a sociologist with specialised in urban governance. Gabriela is interested in strategies to strengthen civil society and co-create inclusive, equitable and sustainable cities. Gabriela, we have heard about the need of multi-stakeholder engagement and leadership on community-based action. Representing the donor community, can you please highlight the critical role in supporting innovation overall and how to incentivise the private sector in adaptation questions? The floor is yours, Gabriela. Thank you. Thank you very much and also thank you for the space to collaborate. It's a pleasure to be here today. So for me, a very straightforward reason why we need to support innovation is that, put simply, business as usual will not lead us to a fair and equal society. So we just need to look at the levels of inequality and poverty to quickly realise that change is needed and that means who has the decision-making power, who has access to and control over resources, who gets to contribute and who gets excluded. So in that sense, for instance, when we are selecting the projects that we will be able to support, we look into how vulnerable groups are involved, how gender is mainstreamed and how equality is sought. The second important point for me is more about the understanding of innovation. So what do we mean by innovation? So in our case, we don't consider only disruptive innovations or the use of shiny new technologies with difficult names. We rather look into new developments or adaptations of things that already exist in areas such as fostering collaboration, raising awareness, co-creating. So in our selection, we value creativity in the approach that is being proposed. And most importantly, it needs to create value too and work for those that you're proposing to support. So we really look for initiatives that are built upon local knowledge and collective construction. And we need to take into account that some new technologies available, they are pretty good tools, which in some cases can really help achieve your goal. But in others can also be a problem because we cannot ignore, for instance, the digital divide or that these technologies may not be simply appropriate for the local context. So we cannot disconnect the issues. And for me, this is one of the key points when we talk about innovation. And on the question of providing incentives to the private sector, and here I have in mind not the bigger players, you know, with national or international outreach, but rather the micro and small enterprises. And I would say awareness raising is needed. Climate-related shocks also have an impact on businesses directly or indirectly. Access to funding and capacity building so they can also innovate from their side and respond locally to the new market's demands that may emerge during the adaptation actions. But we also cannot ignore the relevance of enabling environment. So the role of policies and regulatory frameworks that facilitate and provide direct incentives and also help new local enterprises to flourish. And I must say I'm really glad that the discussion on the private sector involvement is taking place today. In our innovation program, we provide a peer learning platform and one of the sessions that we held with the organization selected under the Climate Adaptation Initiative focus it exactly on engaging the ecosystem. And there was a consensus on the need to involve diverse stakeholders. This was not questioned. But one of the three groups out of the three groups of stakeholders that we discussed, which were the communities, local governments and private sector. Effective private sector engagement was considered the most challenging. So I think there is a need for us to learn with each other and the sectors to learn how to work with each other. So I'm very eager for this discussion with the broader CBA community and the opportunity to reflect upon other points of view and get inspired by the participants. Thank you very much. So Sheila, back to you. Thank you so much Gabriella. It was really wonderful to hear about that you shared that business as usual will not lead us to fair and equitable society I truly echo that with you. And yes, the shiny new technologies. Yes, they are they are really hard to digest to the one who are like so experienced. It will be tough for the community to digest that as well. Thank you so much for your insights and we also had a Sandra Sandra was passionate about using technology to create business and social impact. She is the Ghana's country director for VM technology, a cross cutting social enterprise using mobile technology, but she can't join us due to, as you mentioned the digital thing. Actually, I'm here. Can you hear me. I'm here. Thanks so much you are here. Okay, Sandra is the Ghana's country director for VM technology, a cross cutting a social enterprise using mobile technology to drive behavior change communication and evidence gathering for private and public sector players in agriculture health, financial inclusion, and several others used in Africa, Asia and the Caribbean Sandra has 15 years of management experience in marketing sells strategy and payment consulting for multinational companies including Vodafone mix any and companies he also has experience working with check his charts up and having man is a tone tone.com one of the Ghana's largest online marketplace. Sandra attended a woman college and says a strong advocate for female empowerment and leadership. She has the BA in economics and masters in social business and enterprise. I have heard about this session and also about the discussion we are initiating today. And as a private sector. We want to hear from you what motivated you or how you get involved with this adaptation projects and programs, and also as a development team. We are saying like we are facing challenge on on on incentivizing private sector pulling the private sector on the board. Can you please share your perspective and how you are dealing with it over to you Sandra. Great, thank you very much. Unfortunately, I can vouch for the internet here in Ghana this morning so I won't be able to put my video on, but you can hear me okay. Yeah, perfect. Okay, great. So, I think for me how did I get involved in this. I've been, I've always been, you know, very passionate about engaging communities in a way that meets the community where they are so you know to the points that were raised about using technology that sometimes is over the heads of the people that you're dealing with I really identify with that. And that's why at Viamo we really make sure that we are using a combination of low tech and high tech. And what I mean by that is we're doing SMS in some areas we're doing local language IVR which is interactive voice response so sort of the same thing we hear when you call your bank. And we're using, you know, things like remote training job aids for extension officers for health community workers. So really meeting the community where they are. And I think for me that's what really resonates because I've seen it work. I've seen communities who, you know, are trying to share information about COVID. How are you going to do that because they don't have access to not everybody has an access to a TV. They might have a radio but you know that at the time that they are, you know, the news is on or the information is on. They might be in the farm, especially for women you know doing a lot of housework they don't have time to just be glued to something. All the time so what we do a lot of is use mobile phones in Ghana and a lot of the places that we work. The mobile phone penetration is really high is usually higher than radio and TV. And so we end up using that to put information in the hands of the community so doing this in local languages so we are disrupting barriers to distance and to literacy. And I found that that really is a powerful tool and it's something that I passionately enjoy and therefore that's how I, you know, that's how come I got involved in this. Now on the question of getting the private sector involved I think I said in so many discussions that speak about this. And for me, I really think it's a question of finding the sweet spot where you know public and private sector meet so private sector what do we care about we care about, you know, making impact, but also making money. And I think that is really the only way in which you can be successful doing CBA and really anything else that involves a private sector there has to be something in there for the private sector to meet that double aspiration of making impact, and also making money and for us at VMO we're social enterprise. We're using technology mobile technology to engage, you know, communities, and to engage our partners and to support them in their work. And so, you know, it makes sense because we're able to meet both the impact and also make money while we're doing it we work with a lot of organizations including the ministries from the government, from the private sector and then also from the development organization so for me I think it's about making sure that whatever CBA engagement that we're in, we're meeting those two need of what's in it for the private sector is an opportunity for them to make impact and make money while doing this. And I'll give an example. There have been times when we have done work in the community, and, you know, for example in the farming community, and we've provided information about, you know, say agronomic tips or, you know, things that can help the farming community grow better cocoa better products, better crops. And at the end of it, it's basically a combination between donor funding and then also the community wanting to actually pay for those services because they see the value. And the impact of that in their lives. And so I think more and more, if we are able to find solutions that, you know, maybe first start off with some funding just to get the community engaged and on board. And then eventually uses, you know, applications like mobile money to enable the community to pay for these services themselves. Then I think we have a winning proposition because in that way, you're both helping the community, they see value in it. They're willing to pay even if it's a little bit. Because the communities tend to be quite large and you can pull them all together. There's actually the opportunity for the private sector player to make some money from it and make some margin from it. Then you have a really, you know, strong proposal for how this can be sustainable. So for me, I think it's it's it's all of these things and the more we do this kind of work the more we find out what works and what doesn't work. Thank you. Thank you so much Sandra, you really highlighted that the value should be realized by community so that they can also invest a little bit of their money on it so that it will be sustainable it was a really good insight. Yeah, truly for private sector to be getting involved we need both the impact and money on the ground so both things can be put on. Thank you so much. All three keynote speakers. Thank you so much for your insights and your different perspectives and pictures, so that it helps us frame today's discussion. And further discuss this through the two innovative stories from Nepal and Uganda and then we have a breakout session where we. I hope you will be you all will be staying till the breakout session as well to support our participants if they have any questions or queries. In the meantime, participants if you have any questions or queries or any feedbacks or want to equal these speakers please use the chat function, we will be seeing the chat functions as well. So for now, we want to welcome Ganesh from mercy core and Stefan from three adults in Uganda to share their experience and stories from their country. I would like you to introduce yourself and start your presentation over to you. Next slide please. Yeah, over to you guys. Thank you so much. Hello everyone. I'm Ganesh Butter from mercy core Nepal. I shared by our moderators, so she will be sharing the stories of two countries from two different continent as you and the Africa. So we'll be discussing about innovation to improve the energy find sustainability in the multi actor nature of community based adaptation, taking a reference from a case from managing risk through economic development program of Nepal. Please. Hello everyone. This is Steven Brights Aqua from Uganda and working with tree adoption Uganda. I'm really excited to share and also get to know what you you have for us as far as community based education is concerned. Next slide please. So, many of you might know about Nepal and but some of you might not so firstly I want to share where Nepal is. Nepal is between India and China, the red pointed area in the world map toward the right is Nepal, which is also known as as the country of Mount Everest. Yes, Uganda on the other side is on the African continent in East Africa, and it's also known as the part of Africa. Next, next slide please. So, this is a full map of Nepal. We work in power western corner of the country. Today we will be focusing on the radistic, the geography of this district is planes as well as hills. The land is fragile, which is also known as a young mountain and the soil texture is mixed up more time somehow store. So, our community has been facing multi hazard like flood. Let's let's slide. Windy storm a cold wave among many. So, every year during the rainy season people of this area face problems like landslide river cutting and flooding, and which cause destruction like loss of life agriculture land and property. So, due to the changing climate and uncertainty of precipitation, severity of these hazard are increasing in Nepal. So, our communities are fighting with these challenges and in an annual basis. Stephen. Next slide please. And in Uganda, we have a slam known as voice is found in the capital Kampala. It is one of the most impoverished places in the country and so much impacted by floods, fast because it's in the low lying area. But also because the drainage channels are not sufficient enough to carry off running water whenever they are erratic rain. And this is made worse by poor waste management, which is caused by the waste management system which requires that every person pays for their own waste. The fact that most people here are of low socioeconomic status and survive on less than $2 a day means that most of them are not willing to pay for the collection of waste. So they end up dumping it indiscriminately. And as you can see in the first picture there, it ends up blocking drainage channels. And whenever it rains, it floods into households, leading to loss of lives, loss of livelihoods, as well as destruction to property. And as you can see in the picture down there, the lady, it's the women who are affected most because they spend the biggest parts of the day at their homes together with children. And then they have to train their houses, something which exposes them to diseases and hazards. So now that we have shared about the problems in our communities from different countries. So we want to hear your innovative ideas as well in mentee. Please share what can be the innovative ideas to improve traditional DRRCCA practices. So for those who need assistance, please visit www.mentee.com and enter the code 400942. You can also find the link in link and detail in the chat box. So Stephen, please can you drop Benji and password in the chat box. We will be waiting for three minutes, maximum two minutes to take your innovative idea. And if anybody face to log in mentee, you can also put your idea in chat box. Yeah, working with local faith communities and faith based organization, local skills, skills tool and knowledge. Harrison, local knowledge. So thank you everyone. We have heard many different innovative idea from across the world. Now we want to share what we did to overcome this challenge. I will start first from Nepal. So, while working in on disaster and climate change sector, much more realized only that there should be some benefits at community level to lead and sustain the DRM and climate approaches, which would be economically viable as well. So the traditional model of model of DDM DRM alone wasn't sufficient enough. So, so if we want to build sustainability and achieve the transformational change in the community. So we combined the traditional DRM approach with the market system development to have the dual benefit of risk reduction and economic well being. So we also technology through which our market income and continue the agriculture and energy practices. So at the same time, land are conserved and protected by by mitigating impact of disaster. This approach is approached is named as nexus in our program. So our program is multi country and we work on multiple nexus variety, which provides a dual benefit to the community. Some of the nexus product we work on our sugar cane and fodder in Nepal in Timor-listy we work in vanilla and in Indonesia we are exploring lemon grass, avocado, and at the same time we plan to explore and extend bamboo plantation as well. Next slide please. So, in Nepal we works on fodder as a nexus. We plant fodder in river bank and landslide prone area. The multi year fodder roots goes deep in the soil which protect the land from river cutting and erosion. In other hand, the fodder is used for feeding the cattle like cow and buffalo. So the nexus fodder also increase the production of milk which is sold in the steeling center by the farmer for an income. So, seeing the dual benefit, communities have continued the fodder plantation in developed banks and area of landslide prone area to reduce the risk of disaster and community have an alternative livelihood option as well. So, in this process, we also strongly applies gender and social inclusion. We make sure the participation of female marginalized and disadvantaged group in the decision making process. Next slide please. Stephen. Stephen just dropped off. We are waiting for a while. I think he's back. Stephen, are you there? Sorry, I just had an internet issue there. I hope you can hear me now. Yeah, yeah, Stephen. Yes, in Uganda, we are taking a multifaceted approach to try and address the problem you saw earlier of flooding in Boise. So we are putting the community at the center in solving the issue of poor waste management. But how are we doing this? We are trying to add value to waste. If we are saying the government can't come in to help dispose of the waste because people can't afford it. What can we do locally to solve the problem? So first of all, we have used creative ways to raise awareness. For example, community training sessions, as well as videos run on local TV, but also gone ahead to train the groups in West sorting such that when they collect plastics, they can be sold for an income. And we have also gone ahead to train them on how to try and convert organic waste into briquettes by using glow tech. So this way they are able to use the briquettes for cooking, but also to sell it to get an income. And this income is directly and mostly benefiting women because most of our groups are comprised of women. Like I told you, most times their roles confine them at home and it's the men who go to towns for work and all that. So we have mainly looked at the women here through creation of groups and making sure they also get an income to raise their social economic status in the community. We are not only working with the community because if they collect the plastics, where does it then go? And this is where we are bringing in other stakeholders like the private sector. But also, when you go back to the problem, there was an issue of inadequate drainage channels. However much we say that we are going to work on the issue of waste management and improving behavior. We can't do much about the drainage channels and that's where the government comes in. And we are trying to do this through stakeholder workshops to bring these people together so that the gap is not so big between politicians and the people they are serving. So through these workshops, we are able to give a platform to the community to raise voices, but also to get to know what is going on. But at the same time also inviting the private sector and linking it to the groups, for example, to buy plastics since they are recycling companies. Some are also retail manufacturing companies. So through such workshops, we are bringing the different actors together to try and solve this problem. And the fact that we are including aspects of value and benefits. For example, the community is selling the products, but a private sector to some extent is getting raw material. So you realize that it's a win-win situation for everyone. And this is something that will remain sustainable even beyond the project timeline. Back to you Ganesh. Next slide please. I think this one is also the slide of Stefan. So we present two innovative ideas from two different countries, which seems simple and effective, but we have undergone many different challenges when implementing these approaches. It was not only possible from community and project to work on a whole market value chain in a remote part of the country. Thus, we need to engage private sector in this chain, but private sector is risk averse and they don't want to invest in uncertainties and the most vulnerable area in the population. So we wanted to hear from you. Our session is innovation for adaptation. What innovative approach can be brought up to invite involved private sector to overcome this challenge. So we will again use mentee for this discussion. You can log in www.mentee.com and pass code 4009422. Stefan, please again you can drop the password and mentee link up mentee. So we will wait again two minutes to hear you for your innovative idea. So we get some idea creating the win-win situation for private sector involving their CSR funds. So them how they create impact and money, do the legwork, providing seed funding to test new market ideas, private sector engagement, make involvement different, different intervention and collaborate to overcome these challenges. So again, thank you everyone for the wonderful and brilliant ideas. So first we hear from Stefan what Uganda did to overcome this challenge and followed it by Nepal. Stefan, please. Next slide please. Sorry about that. Yes, Ganesh, can you hear me now? Yes, so we try to bridge this gap of how do we bring the private sector on board, as well as the government because we need both of them. One first thing we did was to schedule a stakeholders workshop where we invited all responsible actors, as far as vice is concerned, but also a private sector, especially those involved in the waste management system. So during this workshop, we were able to show the potential that can be harnessed from these communities. For example, we had recyclers, but they had no idea where to find the plastics they need to do their work. So during this workshop, we were able to connect them with the groups in Boa Isi, the women groups which are collecting plastics, and this way we are able to link them to the market. So it's a win-win situation because the groups are getting the market for their collected plastics, but the private sector is also getting raw materials for their work. And during the same workshop, we are also having the government and it's giving the community an opportunity to voice their concerns with floods directly and also get to hear from what the government has to say. So that is how for us we brought the different stakeholders on board and showed them how each and every actor can benefit because I mean if you're having community take on their waste to make useful products. It means you're reducing on the tonnage of waste in the community and this is something that the government also benefits from because there's a burden as far as waste management and landfills is concerned. So this is the approach we used to bring the private sector as well as government on board. So in Nepal, previously in the communities of Nepal, there was no culture of milk selling. People consumed the milk for their own purpose. But after the intervention interest on this livelihood option was increased. Initially community had limited knowledge of dairy market system. So to make them understand about the detailed dairy market value chain, we conducted a market assessment through this assessment we found key actors, their functions and the inter linkage between them. And same time, this is also supported to identify the key capacities constraints and incentive of each actor. So here are some key actors of dairy market value chain and you can see the red highlighted line here. It means there was a constraint and gaps between actors and their function. So we facilitated the issue and challenge through meetings, interaction, training, subsidy mobilization and also we influence the government of local government for favorable policy and laws. So as incentivizing private sector was our strategy, we worked to buy their this column with motivating and creating and an environment for sustaining their investment through community ownership for mobilizing the market and linking up with multi sector actors. It not only included the dairy sector, but also the microfinance institution and insurance companies. Next slide please. So, while working with private sector. It was also realized that the engagement and partnership with the government is very important for sustainability. So, we also facilitated the linkage between key government actors related to dairy value chain. This had created a strong linkage between the multiple actors of disaster and climate adaptation in the ground. Next slide please. So, I'm seeing the entities mind replication of this model in the community and understanding the well benefit. Finally, local governments has forward to take the leadership for this model and have increased its investment. So, they have invested in incentivizing private sector in dairy sector through introducing policies, subsidy, infrastructure equipment support, capacity building customer care service. So, the government is also promoting for our presentation and by engineering for disaster mitigation and conservation of the community. So, we have been seeing the government's positive interest, private sectors, and community people's willingness for adaptation of dairy sector as alternative livelihood option, and using nexus model for risk mitigation and the conjure of their vulnerable and degraded lands. So, we see the community have moved towards sustainability to the ownership and leadership of the local government and is working with their residents in the face of uncertainties due to climate change and natural disasters. So, now we'll be showing a short two minute video of two countries related to our presentation and then we will wrap up. We are not hearing the audio. So, go. Yes. I'm sure isn't the audience. The audio from that is not able. Can you share the audio when you share the screen said the audio as well. I think you need to share it again with the, with the option of setting the audio in between you can ask questions or can give feedback to our presenters please use the chat function. Hello areas in the far western part of Nepal often face problems of flood river cutting and land slide during monsoon. This often causes serious destruction like loss of lives, agricultural land and property. Realizing this mercy core developed an innovative approach which not only promoted conservation of land and mitigation of disaster through bioengineering technique, but also helps in the economic well being of the community through fodder plantation in river bank and land slide prawn areas. This approach is known as the next approach. The plantation of fodder brought dual benefit with it. In one hand it protected the land from disaster and in the other hand it was being used to feed cattle like cow. The nutritious fodder also helped increasing the production of milk. The community has started selling the produced milk to the chilling centers. The interest in this livelihood option has also increased drastically. Initially the community had very limited knowledge of dairy market system. For this Emred conducted a market assessment and also linked the community with key actors like the local government and also private dairy industries. We have seen the government's positive interest and private sector's enthusiasm to invest in dairy sector. Also in order to conserve their land, the community have moved towards sustainability and building resilience. We have been working on this for a long time. Climate change is the greatest challenge of our time. For an effective response we need strong partnerships. City's alliance is supporting local initiatives to adapt to climate change in informal settlements across the world. Here are their voices. The YZ is one of the biggest informal settlements in Uganda's capital Kampala. And as in other parts of the world, residents are suffering from the effects of climate change. First cases we ignore the impacts of climate change on cities and especially slums. Due to poor waste disposal and inadequate drainage systems, people in the community constantly face the impacts of floods. The resultant flooding negatively impacts the livelihoods of the people in these communities, exposes them to waterborne diseases. With the support of City's alliance, Triadoption Uganda is implementing the Waste Management for Flood Control project. It aims to sensitize and educate Bawaisi's residents on waste management. We are training members of this community on waste management and especially waste segregation. Bawaisi's residents are now putting a value on their waste and garbage. The waste is just garbage. When we look at a place where we waste a lot of waste, we never leave them and we collect it. It's not the waste we get from the waste. Brickets can either be sold or they can be used for cooking domestically. Other community members are also making a profit from selling used plastic. In Bawaisi, waste is now looked at as an opportunity instead of a problem and residents are working with local government for flood control solutions. The community is becoming more resilient and finding new ways to make a living. Thank you Ganesh and Steven for these wonderful examples and sharing your experience. If you want to learn more about their works, you can visit the Marketplace as both of the organization has shared their stories on the Marketplace as well. So please go to the Marketplace and see their stories. We have some observations and questions from the chat as well. So just a quick question. We will go through some few questions only from our audience. So the first question is for Ganesh. Ganesh, how were you able to link up the farmer group to insurance and microfinance? So what is your strategy to link them to insurance and microfinance? And you can add like the other question from Peter. It was a question from Christopher. And there is a question from Petra as well that are the dairy farmers organized? They have some cooperatives or similar thing. Can you please just briefly highlight on this? So I will go first the insurance company and MFI. And so first in our project we in Nepal insurance was cattle insurance was started just six years ago. It is just initial phase and many of the committee have no knowledge about cattle insurance. So for cattle insurance we organized training cost collaboration with insurance company and local government. And we trained some insurance agent locally and then we started insurance in our working area. So also we have various type of MFI, some of the cooperative and some of microfinance institution. And in our committee we have also access of bank. So we also organized some training and orientation for our participant. And we support to link them to microfinance institution for loan and saving service. So the second question I think we have a dairy group in our community. And they are registered in local government and local government institution so that they get a service from the local government. So what is the next question? Yeah, what are they like organized they have the groups or what is the model if they have cooperatives or not the farmer, are they organized? They are just a group and they are not cooperative. The group is registered in local government. So they are not cooperative they are just one year group organized group. Okay, thanks so much Ganesh. There are a few questions for Stefan as well Stefan. Also, you guys can respond on the chat boxes itself. People are asking like how what is the market demand of the briquettes. Anupama is asking if COVID has created a problem with your work on the ground, how you overcome that challenges. And what is the West management challenges right now do you see the possibility of a scale up. Herma is also asking about it. So can you just brief on it is Stefan. Yes. There's a number of questions. I'll begin with the one by Ashmita one indicators. So we use we use an M&E tool and we are able to to know how many and which stakeholders have we engaged in our workshops. First of all, what's the number of stakeholders who have been engaged in the activities. But that's not enough. We go ahead to see how the different stakeholders are contributing to solve the problem we are addressing. For example, how many tons of plastics have been bought by a private recycling company. How much has been bought from the groups by by the briquette making companies and we go ahead to even assess how much money have the groups gained from selling the plastics. How much money have they saved by using briquettes instead of buying charcoal or using electricity among others. There was also a question from Shama asking if briquettes are safe for use. Yes, briquettes are very safe to use. The only question mark is during their during the sharing process because it involves some burning of the organic waste to convert it into the carbon. So we are making a study on this and also Yes, so we are carrying out a study to study further on the impacts of converting this dry organic waste in Tucha, but also relating it to the other forms of energy to try and come up with the best option which we we highly believe is the briquettes. And there was also another question on challenges in the market. Yes. The use of briquettes is not so common, but it's growing each and every day because there has been a lot of deforestation and there are no more trees to produce charcoal. So waste has become a very good option for making energy and going forward, it really looks promising as far as the market for briquettes is concerned. Then I, as we are running out of the time I'm just holding on it, and just asking you a quick last question for both of you. So Hosta is asking how actively community are engaged in waste management and do you see like sustainability and replication of this action to other project area as well and I want to ask the same question to Ganesh as well. So how does the community are engaged on it and do you see sustainability and replication to other communities in your working area. Stephanie you can go ahead and then Ganesh can join it. Yes, I mean what we have done here is build intrinsic motivation, the community is seeing value in waste. We are actually seeing problems like someone has stolen my waste, someone has taken away my dry organic waste. So there's a lot of value attached to waste because of the valuable products associated with it. And this is something which will go on even beyond the project timeline and hence sustainability due to the availability of market. Ganesh. So, there was an issue in the market, especially when we started our program, and same time also there was a big challenge of disaster. So, as I said in my presentation, we focused on nexus approach and so the community have a dual benefit. So, we started from product plantation in risk area and same time we also promote the improved breed of farming. So initially there was a big issue, even insurance, transportation, milk transportation and so many issues are there. So, we facilitated the issue and we organized combined training, meeting, orientation and interaction with local government. And finally, the dairy sector is growing day by day and the government also increased its subsidy each year. So, now, in our starting, there was a very limited area covered by fodder. Now you can see more than 400 row penny, I don't know, but the number in hectare. So, the plantation area also increased and dairy farmers are also increased and we started 37 litre per day collection of milk and now it's goes to 3000 litre per day. And local chilling center is to export the milk to large dairy industries, especially in Thangari and Kathmandu. So, the finally government also increased the investment in dairy sector. So, we can see the dairy sector is going to sustain. Thanks so much Ganesh, Stefan and Ganesh, there are questions for you on the chat box. You can respond the answers in the chat box itself. We are running a little bit late so we just want to jump up to the other part of the session. Thank you so much Ganesh and Stefan for this wonderful presentation and sharing your story. So, can we go to the slides please? The breakout group slide? Yeah, yeah. So, I know you guys are excited to join the breakout room and discuss further about how we innovate to develop the sustainability and ownership in this multiple actor nature of CBA. So, we will be breaking into three groups now and let's be in their soos of the one, the one you will be in the group of like soof being the soo of the government being the soos of the private sector or the community. So, we will be breaking out the group in a random basis. So, we will be addressing two key questions in the breakout room. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. You will be randomly pressed on the breakout room so we will be discussing being a government being a private sector and being a community or sea or so on the group. So, how to involve and improve the ownership sustainability of multiple actor natures of CBA. So, we will have these three groups so for each of it we have like two key questions to be reflected back. So one is the perspective from the presentation just shared by Stefan and Ganesh. And on second, how would you ensure that your group will innovate for community based adaptation discourse. So, if you are a government, how will you innovate for this multiple actor innovation for community based adaptation discourse. So, the group will be room one for government, which will be moderated by Suzanne room to private sector will be moderated by Anupama from Morshikore, and room three the CSS and community will be moderated by Stefan from tree adoption. So, I request Subbu to break break the rooms. So please join the breakout rooms and see you all in 15 minutes. Okay, let me recheck the government will lead by Anupama and private sector by. Government will be led by Suzanne and the private sector will be led by Anupama. Okay. And we request you to unmute yourself in the discussion. If you if time allows you can introduce yourself and your feedback and questions as well. Finally, we are back to the plenary room. And I hope you had a very fruitful and wonderful discussions around being a government being a private sector or being a community how we can involve multiple actors on community based adaptation so what can be the options that will be available. So, this is an innovative approach that we can bring forward and share to the larger audience as well from your projects that you are doing on on multiple countries throughout the globe. So we will, I think that you have already finalized who is the speaker for your group so we'll start with the government. So for government who will be volunteering for for being a speaker. So Raj from Mexico, we'll represent that. Thank you. Okay. Okay, thank you. Thank you so from group one I will be presenting our group idea. So, for the feedback what we discussed in our group means it was a good nice presentation from both the country and was innovative idea but somehow our group have focused and mentioned about like we didn't have the role seen in the government side from the both presentation so if we have more like what was the government role in engaging on those both a project would be a great and also how the multi stakeholder partnership where possible for dairy and also the management in Uganda. So it was some of our of our few members want to learn more about that how it was possible to bring all the stakeholder in one place. And also we talked about the how how can we in in situ slides, those thing for the sustainability. And as as when we leave the program, the operations of both will run in in long term. And for the government involvement, we had some discussions like when we start our project in the big scene in the beginning of our starting. We have to engage government when we expect their collaboration and support involvement in our working modality. We have to assure their presence in our planning phase. Also, we have talked about like every country have government planning process. So we have to consider those government planning process as well. And we have to assure our plans and our policy are also recognized by government planning process and they put this our project activity in their plan as well so that it can be regularized and also they will continually support our interventions. And also some like we heard about our group member is when there is a lot of role of CSO in every country and contributing to government. So government also should recognize the role of CSO and be specific like what role they can play in this this kind of project. So these are the key things I noted down. If there is anything else our group member I would request our group member to add on. Thank you. Thank you so much to Rose. Do somebody from the group want to reflect on some missing points or we want to move ahead. Okay, so yeah very good points, how to introduce lies the thing, the planning phase involvement from the planning phase and specific requirements on how to support the CSO as well. Very good points over there. For private sector we want to go to Anupama, is that correct Anupama from Mercy Corps. Are you volunteering for the private sector speaker. Yeah, please go ahead. Yes, yes. So when our group discussed about the involvement of the private sector, we came like we came with a few points like there should be a good subsidy mobilizations if you are piloting some new new things in the communities and you are involving a new actor there should be some subsidy as well. The next one was there should be a group efforts so that it will be easy in the future to institutionalize those groups and work with them. And the third one was securing the profit of the private sector because private sector they look for and they the sick for the profits of their business so there should be some secure profit for the private sector engagement and engaging the actors with the same aims and goals. If we are having the same aims and goals like the project and the partner then private sector then it will be easy to reach our reach our goals and the fourth one was economic partnership with the private actors for involving them in the projects and complying with the government rules as well, because later on, if we partner with the private sector and we do not comply with the government that it can be the problem so we should look for those kind of private actors which comply with the government rules as well. And only one private actor or one stakeholder is not enough while we are working in the market so we need to look for the multi stakeholders private sector engagements. And we should also focus on the interest of the private sectors like what are their needs their requirements and does they comply with the project and we can go together or not. So, these were some of the points we discussed in our private sector teams. Thank you so much. If I missed my, I think the team members will add. Does somebody want to add any points. Thank you so much for these private sectors point of view to the session. Can we go for the third group, the community and CSO speaker from. Yeah. Hi. Yeah, so we had many questions that came out from our discussion and it sort of started with talking about how can the private sector support the support CSO is to uptake technologies to increase community based adaptation so agricultural technologies for example, because it's there was a point made that it's very difficult to get communities to use the new technologies are available. And then we had another point, which was sort of about how, how were the community sort of involved in the process of deciding the solutions were they involved in for example deciding. So to plan avocados and lemongrass so there was sort of the two sides that were discussed in terms of how do you get communities to use solutions and how much were the communities involved in finding the solutions and sort of sharing solutions that maybe they'd already tried. And then we had a final point with sort of a question around what's the difference between a livelihood project and the private sector with sort of communities. What's the difference in sort of livelihood supporting community based adaptation and the private sector so our discussion was mainly about questions. Thanks so much Sydney for the questions that you raise it's really a valid point that how this all far been engaged through and how this is different from a livelihood approach rather than involvement and engagement of private sector. Thank you for all of this. So, it was a great insight. Do any of the additional participants want to share something from your group or do want to move ahead. Maybe switch it up. Can I answer the some of the questions that. Yeah, I think one of the key principle of community based adaptation is we see community as an expert and they know their situations and, and, and as an external agency sometimes we go with the solutions that the solution might already exist in the community. So all of the some of the work examples that you were sharing like grass with it's like I've got or sugar cane or a dairy. Those were the things like that already existing in the, in the area. And we're learning from community as well and but what we were saying is, what are those opportunities for the private sector engagement, so that we can take some of those good practices into scale. So one might be, you know, as avocado or lemon grass those are not the new thing that already existed in that area, but how we, it is not about what we plan but how we plan, how we assess that how the impact of climate change, how what are the risk that we associate with the climate change. And how can we introduce some of these practices to make it more climate risk sensitive, and, and what could be an incentive for private sector to engage in that those sectors, and, and for in those programs. So ultimately what we do is, and we, we try to understand the whole market system and I think that there is where the differences between the library and market again, my private sector engagement is in our in the library who focused on the community will go to the community we train them we try to promote some crops or agriculture techniques and that's all, but when with the broader private sector engagement or the market system development of course that we call, we try to understand the, the whole market system, whole market value chain, starting from the producer to the end and end users as well and map out what are those other private sectors or other government actors who add values to the, to the that particular market system, and that defines the strategy, who should be engaged and what are the incentive for engagement. Thank you. Thanks so much for this quick sharing of what the questions were raised from the, the groups over there. So, so that's a really wonderful discussion and inside so I would like to highlight a few points that was discussed in today's session. A wonderful session and we got to hear from different perspective from civil societies from government from donors from private sector itself. So, we, we, today we hear that business as usual will not work. It was a great, great thought because yeah we have been trying a lot and we have been failing a lot as well so yeah that that's the, that's the area where we want to encourage that to evolve is that we need to do business a different differently and we need to involve private sector engagement on this discussion from this course. CBA has started involving and inviting private sector on the conferences from CBA to wealth so it's not being a long history for us to invite to the private sector on this climate change debate and discourse. It's just been like, it's just been like few years and we're still trying to pull and and see the what, what, what things we can offer like as Sandra was mentioning there should be value on it there should be impact and money associated, both making an impact and making money with the key to involve private sector engagement. So that was the key point that that was raised and, and that also in the cost of working to the vulnerable groups so while promoting private sectors. We should also make sure that it will also support the poor and the marginalized and the most vulnerable populations are benefited. So it was great hearing about the two countries and the multi stakeholder nature that involves the private sector and the government as well, and moving towards sustainability. So it was, and the, and the group also shared about how government should be dealing with it like planning involvement of all the multi stakeholder actors from the, from the planning process itself so they have this ownership, and they have this idea of having multi stakeholder nature, and also the private sector group also mentioned about how the subsidizing more subsidy mobilizations could be done for and also not focusing on a single private sector, but also focusing on multiple private sectors and not the big enterprises also the micro and as they are also, they have, they also are climate, they also have like this climatic socks also affect them and now we have like this dual situation going on COVID sock along with this climate socks. So this is the high time I just also mentioned is is keynote that this is the high time we see a multi stakeholder engagement on climate actions and discourse. So, I think this is not the end of the discussion the discussion is the has just begun and just initiated, and we hope that we will have this discussion throughout the CBA 15 and beyond CBA as well in the other forums as well. So, this need to be the talk of the hour this need to be a very, we need to have like a very successful and encouraging multiple actor engagement on community based adaptation. And that we will be having this fair and equitable society where all the actors will be working on for the benefit of the community and the society at large. So, with this we will want to close our session today and I would like to thank each and every of you for your time and for your active participation, and hope you will have a wonderful CBA experience. We will also discuss about how to pull the private sector in this discourse. Thank you everyone for joining us. Last slide please. So, so, can you, can you move to the last slide please. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you goodbye. Thanks everyone. Thank you so much. Bye. Can we keep the core group behind. Okay, sure. Thanks everyone. Okay. Great, great session there. Can you see me. You did great. Thank you so much. I feel like we got so much wisdom from this session and I just want to say thank you so much. I think we can use five to 10 minutes to recap on the key messages. Sure. Sure. Our reporter is facing internet issues today. See like up and down, but I think we have on the phone with us on who are you with us. No. Okay, but we can pull the pull the key notes. That's not a problem with it yet. We have chat with us. Yeah, just are you with us. Okay, so I actually thought that our rapporteur would start us off, but now can she join the chat? There is a huge rainfall going on and Cia is not connected for the session so it will be tough to pull her. Oh my god, we should have had plan B, water be close. Okay, so now we have to start from scratch. You have been speaking much, maybe we can invite Gabriela or Chet to first share your thoughts on the key messages you felt were coming out and by the way great insights in your keynotes it was so. Too much wisdom, go ahead. Gabriela, are you with us? Hi, yes. Sorry, I had something here. So yeah, it was a great session. I was, I took only a few notes but what came to me as extremely important was the awareness raising effort that you need to do and this is something I also brought in the breakout session. So how do you first bring this and external knowledge? How can I say that? You help communities and local governments and private sector as well identify resources and values that sometimes they didn't know it was there. So I think this is one of the key points and this is why raising awareness is important. It's not external agents bringing in and it's not a top-down process, it's not us bringing in knowledge, it's the opposite. It's you creating an environment where you can facilitate that the local knowledge can flourish and we can really grasp that. So this is one of the key points for me. Yeah, that's powerful because it does fit into the question that was asked also in the maintainer of the how. How do we do it? And it seems like you really need to start with this and so we have articulating the how. Perhaps we can add a little more ingredients in there of how else to bring in the private sector but I agree with you that came out really strongly. Did you want to add anything? No, I think that's something that maybe we couldn't discuss as much was that also this needs to be like a circular system. So something that feeds back and how are we doing that? Because when we are talking about innovation, when we are talking about experimenting we shouldn't look at these initiatives exactly the same way as we look at something that is already that we already know how it works. So we need room for testing but we also need for this to work, we also need to have a very clear understanding of how we are doing the learnings, how we are doing the mail for instance. So Ganda talked a little bit about how they are about the mail framework but how you are really getting the insights from these innovative initiatives so you can really talk about sustainability so you can talk about the next steps. For you to replicate you need to understand what worked, what didn't work, why. So maybe this is one aspect that we couldn't touch much upon but this is maybe a question that we can just leave open in the messages. Yeah and of course it's always great to have more questions than answers but I hear you loud on that. Okay I've actually lost my bread there. Can I invite anyone else to step in? Yes. Maybe I can share a few things. The one that did line that sentence that was catchy was making impact and making money together. So when we talk about a private sector engagement or engagement of government as well, everybody is looking for impact even for donors and I say what chance can we really bring in? What impact can we really bring in? We have to understand that and yes private sector I think in one of the, I think it was really you who shared or I forgot but the emphasis on who would benefit when we talk about the private sector engagement and we should have to think about who would benefit from that. How we put people the most vulnerable at the center of what we do so like our private sector engagement strategy will ultimately benefit the one who are the most vulnerable and like again relating with the when we are developing some of this model or approaches and you're starting from like what climate change is, what does that climate change impact look like and when we are developing the solutions or model around those problems, what are the opportunities for private sector? What is the incentive for them to invest in? Otherwise as Dinesh was highlighting in his presentation, the private sector are risk averse. They don't want to invest in any area where they put their investment at risk and I think there is where it comes again about there was this discussion about subsidy again. How do we design the subsidies in a way that it's not creating a dependency rather than it's just creating an environment to just get started and once and that startup let's say would help us to understand like there is a business there, there is a money and that's how once that investment started then there is that opportunity for scalability otherwise as a development actors we don't have a tons of resources and many years, multiple years just to keep working and one community. Unless these private sectors are connected or government are connected, the sustainability and scalability piece is not going to be achieved. You're on mute. I am muted with the excitement. Okay, so great message in there that is loaded so at the core of it is we have to be clear of the what the problem is and identify in getting a solution how to make impact and money out of solving that problem and then that can be informed by key questions such as who will benefit and when we are creating an incentive how do we make sure that it doesn't create dependency and I see you nodding I hear that as a core because maybe just to add that in one of the discussions somebody said that you have to start with it in mind to bring everybody together and then you yourself added that we have to look at it from a value chain perspective. That's what I hear. Go ahead. Exactly, exactly and what that that's what like once you start with the problem and then you try to develop a moral or solution around it then you start mapping out who are the stakeholders rather than you enter from stakeholders you start from a problem and that figuring out like who are the key stakeholders with the government or with the private sectors and what is their interest in that then that's how like we can build the partnership and once they see those incentives in that problem. Wow. Okay, go ahead. The other thing that was like clicking on my mind was the value for something like whether it's community or a private sector or a local government if they see the value they will invest in it so creating the value creating that enabling environment creating that thing is a big piece to work on when we when we design this this type of intervention when we talk about a fostering collaboration this should be our our key area where we should work on and also also the Sandra was speaking about not thinking of like big investors and big multi companies on private sector also like improving and empowering the micro enterprises the small enterprises as well because they are within the community they are serving the community at the same time they are also at risk of different climate stocks so we also need to like not only think about like bigger industries and bigger private sectors will also pull in the small enterprises and micro enterprises systems as well that have the dual benefit for both the communities and themselves. Yeah yeah and I think that also ties in very well with Gabriela's point. Somebody has to show the stakeholders in the value chain the value that they can get from the innovation that's core. Do we have anything tickling around government can we tease out a message around government? In our group first of all it was said that it didn't come out very well there were some insights shared and at the end of the day it came out that we must look at the planning cycle and integrate solutions through the planning cycle what key message do you feel should come out? Chat? I think during the design the sessions where we started this designing them we were having this discussion about what does that multi stakeholder mean although the title it says that and like what we should be focusing on so I think in both Uganda and Nepal case there is a lot of government engagement but it was just like not much coverage it's because like we want to highlight definitely multi stakeholder partnership in the discussions but get more focused about the private sector engagement and I agree with that again like you know once once we align with the government you know prioritization planning process funding cycle resource allocation process then there is a better opportunity to leverage more resources from government and also I think it we didn't highlight it that much but one of our own experiences you know as a development organization like when you are working in this type of sector you don't have all the expertise and like the government and even the private sector they bring a lot of technical expertise knowledge about the business and and technical know-how in that sector so that's where the value of they bring and it's not only although we focused about the private focus on the private sector it doesn't mean that there is there isn't much role of a government in fact in fact we start with more engagement of government and gradually transition to the private sector because it takes more time for a private sector to see those incentives but government like they come it's more like uh how you how you call it like like you know government or like organization us we look from more of a humanitarian angle yeah so even if there is not a profit then maybe we go there and try to support and with that like we try to yeah yeah but like for a private sector yeah it takes time to build those relationships sometimes even to educate and and and convince them to invest in it if I may add also something and Susan this relates to what thing I think was saying in the breakout session about the need as well for civil civil society to push a little bit the local government is that and here I'm thinking mostly about urban informal settlements the thing is that you cannot act upon something that you do not recognize or you don't don't see officially and this is often the case with informal settlements so when when when the local government doesn't have the data or does not want to see that the community is really leaving there and it is there to stay it creates a problem so how to so although we also didn't have the time to go into details I think this also relates to to our initial discussion in the breakout room so how can the civil society also make noise and and say listen we are here this is our problem let's invite them as well to to work together so it's a two-way street of course he needs to have that enabling environment it would be great if we could count on political will but this is not always the case yeah totally every day and I think yeah that's the role that civil society should be playing yeah well sometimes when you work with the government like they don't they don't always look from a profit angle and when you sometimes work with the private sector they don't just look they're more profit their motive is to make profit yeah like how can we bring both them both these two entity they have a huge potential financial and technical expertise to bring in that and bring in and benefit for to scale up the the approach or model that we do at the community level so I think that's where like the civil society's role has to be as a facilitator yeah trying to understand to show that incentive why it is important and and try to be act as a breeze between this two entity as well yeah yeah there there wasn't time to discuss about that okay okay so thank you so much unless there is any others I am going to take up that challenge to condense these three message these messages into three because we are required to have three to four messages and while we haven't discussed here the role yes sorry sorry maybe just before you continue there are some important points I noted from Gabi and one of them was a clear understanding of innovation and she went ahead to explain that understanding what doesn't work whenever we want to scale sorry Susan I'm just looking for some of the points I noted here yes she said new adaptation of things that already exist so maybe this can also be another question of asking what already exists and then creating value and value that works for the community and then innovation based on local knowledge I think it's there they were very important points raised and we can have them included okay great I think yes they will go get in perhaps what Gabriela also said that hasn't come out yet and I will integrate in is the role of the donor community and just being intentional on their part to select programs projects that bring these threads together is very very important and so with that I am going to tease this out into three key messages and I want to share them with you first for your input before then we can share with the organizers later in the day if that's all right with you sure great thanks excellent thank you so much for this thank you so much nepalese namaste