 And we're live. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hey. So welcome everybody to the second, is it second or third day already now? Day three, you know? Day three, yeah. Of our solar punk adventure. Now it's more turning into lunar punk. We see the sun is rising and the moon is coming, so welcome moon. I am here joined by my extraterrestrial friend, Dr. Paul DeMoses, who is here to talk a little bit about extraterrestrials and the work that they're doing here in Berlin and in Metropolis, as you call it. Yeah. Here from Metropolis. Yes. This was a very quick setup. This doing virtual streams is not our favorite format, but we really wanted to try to do something dramatic, emotional, perhaps going to improv with this discussion, but somehow for me, the streaming medium is not capable of transmitting what probably needs to be communicated, but we'll give it our best. And we did very quickly. Normally we would do either a format called Citizen Kino, which is an interactive cinema, kind of hacking of cinema. Or as you see on this backdrop, we are also during Corona times, we started a live radio stream going back to our pirate radio roots. And this website might be useful because we will put notes up on a chaos pad, note pad there, which I will reference some things that I might not be able to get into too much depth. So if you want to look at links of things related to what I talk about, go to check out that site and go find the chaos pad. So and just to say I'm really happy that you all could set up for our thing so quickly. And thank you to the tech and Julio so much. And I still wanted to dialogue with the cyborg girls, and I hope we will get a chance to do that. But maybe some of the things I say will be a little bit, you know, something to think about these two, two presentations together. I think there's a lot that we will. Yeah, there will be a dialogue. So now I think even if it wasn't going in real time. And so to, to, to create the dramatic opening atmosphere, I wanted to start with this trailer of a Czech sci-fi movie from 1963. And if you could go with that Julio. Yes. Second. Coming right up. I think it's going good. Mike is back on and so here we are. I'm Dr. Podmosis from the Excel terrestrials. And the talk that we want to present is solar punk versus the hyper industrial hamster cage complex hamster cage complex. As you might have noticed with all of these virtual environments since the Corona lockdowns. We are deep being deeper and deeper immersed in the hamster cage complex. And this is something really, really like something that needs to be discussed. I hope that there are other sessions at the Congress RC three years ago. And I think we're dealing with the complexity and the, the very dark situations that we have. I mean, here I am in this, this our kind of anonymizing mask. But also because of somehow we are locked into this pandemic narrative. And this is something that we would like to analyze Julio. Yes. His device and all of this is kind of to me at least and to, to the Excel terrestrials and the work that we are doing. We've been analyzing the technological environments for, for quite some time. They have not been going very well. We are creating more and more techno dystopian situations around us. And as I was trying to think about how to describe the dire situations that we are facing. I mean, we can be funny about it, but, but this is not a game. I mean, we are in deep shit. Our society, our planet, human beings, other, all of species on planet earth are in deep shit. And we're not so techno optimist that, you know, there's some techno fix to be had in this situation. What we need to do is reclaim our terrestrial being. We're not so techno optimist that we are being techno columnist on a techno fix. So to explain the story, I thought I'd start with a reclaim our terrestrial being that the first on your CC chaos Congress that we participated in was the 22 C three, which is, I believe almost is it 15 years ago? And we went with a lot of a lot of cynicism. We were not really excited about the Hacker culture because we felt that having seen what was happening on the lost, lost coast of California, where some of the Excel terrestrials were operating prior to that. AKA San Francisco, the birthplace of the Silicon Valley beast. And that is very much a military industrial complex seed, which also needs to be constantly brought into the analysis if we're talking about where we are going from here with with technologies with tools in this digital, the internet environments, all of that. So, so this anecdote from 22 C three, one of the things that remains very, very fresh in my mind. Still was someone coming to present and talk about a second life, which was a creative enterprise in the Bay Area San Francisco Bay Area. And this guy Corey Andresca, I believe, I don't know his last name pronunciation wise and don't have it in front of me. But Corey Andresca, maybe I'll put that in the link because I think it's really interesting to look at even just from a quick surface look at his Wikipedia. He was working for Linden Labs, but he had already been working for things like the Naval Academy US Naval Academy military. And I believe possibly CIA and SA I forget which exactly. And, and here he was now a big player, one of the co-founders of Second Life. And, and then I'm like, and I kind of butted heads with him, you know, it was one of these, these moments in encountering as a kind of exelterrestrial journalist looking at what's going on at these chaos communications Congress has been around for 22 years, you know. And here they are featuring Silicon Valley types in the midst of their hacker, hacker world, which is, you know, fascinating thing to do. And he was very enthusiastic about the Second Life thing, which for us as arts and activist organisms was we, you know, we were already making lots of jokes about the Second Life and what that could bring. And the irony of this is that now we are here, we are 15 years later, and we are having to participate in a Congress where we need to be thinking of deep, you know, deep thinking about solutions, organizing our communities. And this is kind of turning into a Second Life version of, of, of Chaos Congress, because we can't meet in person because of this pandemic. And you can't necessarily directly blame that on, on the technological environments. But then, yes, maybe you can. Our technological world has been burning up the planet in a way, our technologically dominated society. And we're, we were going, we've been going in the wrong direction with technological tools for, for quite some time. And, you know, take the whole fossil fuels industry, this hyper industrialization of life forms. And, and, you know, I was kind of curious, I had to look and find out what is Corey doing today, 15 years later, you know. And it seems like he kind of cashed in on his networking value. And he went on actually, I don't, he's not presently there, but he was like chief officer, president of the engineering for Facebook, you know, another kind of, you could call that a kind of Second Life. Game evolved in another way, more, more with even more vulture and claws and vampire teeth to get at your data, to make money off of your data, to make, you know, profit off of our communications, which are super necessary if we want to organize our society to, yeah, do the right things, to build commons, to build community, to build a good life for all. But no, we're not going in that direction with the technology because the corporates really dominate, you know, what, what can we say, like 90% of the digital culture stuff, maybe worse than that even. Of course, there's all kinds of web stuff, dark web, they say there's so much that we don't, we don't, you know, easily encounter, but we're, as I say, you know, the situation is very, very bad, you know. And I often over these years, I go or keep coming back to, to CCC hoping, and there's always fantastic presentations I have to admit, but there's also a large percentage of it that are just not really clued into the terrestrial dilemmas. And it took, it took the Hacker Congress CCC, maybe, maybe even they were the first to do this. They did a conference two years ago now, I think, or called bits in Boima, which finally after like 30 some years of doing Hacker Congress is suddenly realized this is a really important topic, what we are doing to the environment. And yeah, so I just wanted to begin with that anecdote because I feel like we need to have a really critical approach with how to proceed, you know, and this, this Czech sci-fi film is not a, it's not a happy film, you know, it's based on Stanislav Lem, and Stanislav Lem was writing in the midst of the Cold War and brilliant thinker, I'm not a Stanislav Lem expert, but the, I feel he was on the right track to really warn us about things that are going on. So if you could look at that IKEA BX1 film, I'm still studying that myself is very new to me, but then I realized, hey, while this was 1963, it had an influence on 2001, Stanley Kubrick kind of even, you know, took the, took that to make his version of a, of this film in a way, before, you know, the Ridley Scott sci-fi, even before Solaris. So kind of maybe gave Tarkovsky his, you know, hey, I got to make one of these too, and Solaris is a fantastic story as well. So where to go with that? I'll back up a little bit and just say, so the XL Terrestrials have been working a lot the last years on another platform, this interactive hacking of cinema if you could bring up maybe some of the, we make posters for each show, maybe that'll give you a taste of some of the things. This is already a few years ago, I thought this was, I just grabbed some at random. We're now up to episode 80, 88 or nine, I think. That one before was almost like a pre-scient, you know, this guy wearing this mask, and I forget which film it's from, unfortunately, I don't have these notes in front of me. But what we do with Citizen Kino is to take this overmediated world that we're in and try to hack it. So it's not so much just about what we screen on the films in a movie theater setting, we're there to take it apart, you know, do some deconstruction, do some situationalist kind of picking it apart, culture jamming, and we show clips. And then we engage the audience, and sometimes that takes some theatrical forms, we're still working on that aspect that we feel like we need to really put on something very dramatic and emotional so that people get in the right zone to think about how to respond to our crises at the moment. You mentioned to me once that the idea of Citizen Kino is to digest media collectively, to analyze it collectively as opposed to, because oftentimes we all see these films, we all get all this media, we all understand many things, but we don't really talk about it to another person because we're so alienated in our devices. It feels like, I mean, I've been to a lot of them, so it's a really nice space to come together and look at things together and then make a discussion. And plus the part of that, even now more important than when we started almost 15 years ago with Citizen Kino episodes, is that media is becoming even more cubicalized. We're being more like, oh, I watch this in my individual box zone, in my personal screen, my personal device. You know, part of the hamster cage complex has even taken the power of what cinema can do and put it into this very, very, you know, and that's highly problematic. So we definitely find the need to make a live event out of presenting these films. And so that you can feed back, you can ask questions about the clips that we show, sometimes we even challenge the audience in weird ways and go out and force them to participate. There are, during these shows, there are guinea pigs, the way possibly, you know, like Facebook is using you as a guinea pig and the social media platforms are using us as guinea pigs. We do it in a much softer nature. You know, the guinea pigdom, the world of guinea pigdom that we are in in these technological environments, we like to come over to you and say, I know that film was very harsh. But let's have a conversation. Let's talk about it. Yeah. And so, you know, we try to be warm and cuddly, even if we are like trying to smash the capitalism, the capitalism of corporate capitalist players. And hopefully it was the nation state. And the nation state is another factor we have dealt with some shows related to that in many ways. Yes. So Julio is a fantastic participant in Citizen Kino and we have the honor to have his presence. And maybe, yeah. Oh, this is a very recent one. And we did this one actually at the Rotor Salon in Fox Bruna where we thought actually Solar Punk was going to be based in the Rotor Salon. And this is for Transmediala and we were discussing the 20th anniversary of Indymedia Network where... What's Indymedia? Indymedia is a platform that grew out of the anti-globalization struggles. These like WTO meetings and G8 meetings, 20 meetings. In Seattle. Seattle. Seattle is when Indymedia was... There were ideas already bubbling. And then Seattle was the first time the website actually functioned where it gave you, the citizen, or whatever, you know, to consider your non-sinisterly anarchist and give everyone the possibility to report on the news and tell what's happening in the streets because we know the corporate media lies to us all the time. So let's tell our own version of what happens in the streets or let's tell our own version of what's happening with the crises of the pandemic and the way it's affecting our communities and not listen to what the corporate agenda has to say about, like, you know, go pay for your tests. I won't get into... I don't want to get into penultimate details. Yeah, even those to go south or, like, yeah. But celebrate Pfizer for having produced a very expensive vaccine, you know, these kinds of things. This is not the way me and you or, you know, my peers are going to discuss what's going on with this. So that was that show. We'll go into too much detail on that. Maybe it's another slide. We'll bring up some topics there. Just to give you a flavor of... We always come up with these images for posters. Yes, we've done a lot about the military industrial complex. And now we're shifting gears a little bit to talk less about the military industrial complex. But the... Well, then there was a phase where it was called the military entertainment complex. And now I think we are in the hamster cage complex. The hamster cage complex. And we really need to address that. And I hope there's people here at the DCC and all over this beautiful, sometimes green, sometimes blue planet that's getting turned into a gray, goo, muck desert. We're going to turn it into a desert if we don't figure out how to stop this hyper-industrialized way of living. And so I saw that Corey Doctorow gave a talk about, hey, the techno-optimists were wrong. I'm going to have to catch up on that because Corey for us has been quite a technotopian. And we never really bought into the optimistic, or let's say the... I mean, of course we all need to work with these tools. But it's pulling us in a great gravity, this techno-dominant culture into the abyss. We were just mentioning behind the screen that it felt like the skeleton, the technology of our bodies is once to live our bodies and just live without the framework. It just wants to take over somehow, pretend that it can live forever and transcend... Like this Ray Kurzweil thing who became one of the chief pioneer, I don't know what his position, at Google. When this loony, loony ideas guy who thought, oh, we can download our brains into the machine, suddenly has this power of being part of the most powerful company. It's like, hey, we really need to know what these people's vision for their future are. This is not happening democratically. Maybe I don't agree. I don't feel like it's a good idea to download myself into the machine. I feel myself as an exiled terrestrial first, as an anarchist in there somewhere, and as an organism. And we are organisms that might not be compatible, so easily compatible with the idea of the cyborg. I think we need to question that a little bit more on that. Personally, I'm not a hard way enthusiast. I feel like there's something that she pushes that yes, this hybrid is where we need to go. And I would say we need to pull back and really deal with, like if we can't deal with poverty in the world and people who just don't even have the bare necessities to function as an organism, we can't keep pushing this hyper industrialization on top of it. It's just making some people super rich and they have everything and they can use these amazing tools. But it's also devastating for the people at the low levels. So until this power of the technology could be equally distributed, sort of a Gibsonian thing. But we're not going anywhere near that direction. We're going in a hideous path towards the bassoces, the Elon Musk's and Bill Gates of the world deciding for us what technology should look like, what tools we're going to use. I mean, as many beautiful things as we can do, we can stream and do this. This computer interface is a business, it looks like something that should be in an office building. This is not a beautiful violin, it's not a piano, it's not something you would want to caress. It's a fucking office tool. And we get this version of the technology because these motherfuckers in Silicon Valley, their money came from military industrial complex. You have to look at the history of cybernetics to realize where all this venture capital was coming from to create the environments we now have. And I don't really feel, I'm not even that inspired to say, let's reclaim these fucking office tools. I'm more like, let's reclaim our terrestrial being. And if we don't reclaim our terrestrial being, we're just going to be in wars fighting over the basic necessities that everyone needs to live. So this is a really tricky dilemma. We can't just come here and be enthusiastic about what we can do with these tools. There's something else that needs to be grappled with. And I don't have, this is not a really well-prepared talk. I don't have answers for this. I'm just saying this needs to be thrown into the CCC debates more vociferously. Because it's not really there enough. There are amazing talks and some people who kind of are aligned with our terrestrial critique, but not enough on the main stages, not enough as the focus of the debates perhaps. And certainly not, this stuff is not in our power at the moment. We're so far away from being at the steering wheel or something. The corporates and all of their fucking plundered money are driving this thing off some kind of weird cliff. And we need to have strategy for that, like emergency. This is an emergency. Every year I go to CCC, it feels like a fucking emergency. And I don't really see the, we need to be pulling the fire alarm. The planet's fucking on fire. And there's people drowning in the Mediterranean. I know there's some amazing talks related. I'm so happy that CCC is aware enough. And CCC is probably the best conference, possible conference we could be going to, to talk about these things. And yet still we even have to push CCC further. I mean, think about what shitty conferences are going on in, in the Bay Area, San Francisco Bay Area. Do they have anything like CCC? No, no, no, the hackers would be like, like we're trying to scrounge together, you know, stuff in a hack lab and, you know, maybe 40 people come to see something at Noisebridge hack lab. I mean, fantastic. We need hack labs everywhere. But, you know, in terms of like, getting at the steering wheel of where society is going with these technologies, there's a lot of work to be done. And urgent, as urgent as you can imagine. I don't know what time we're at here, but. We have like 20 more minutes. 20 more minutes? Okay. I would take no action. 15 minutes. We have a couple of clips also. Yeah, I think it's really hard to do the, the citizen keynote thing in this environment. I will put some clip links because I would like to, I will just mention Bernard Stiebler, who passed away sadly in August from previous medical conditions. As I understood that he was facing some, some not good things. And his work, he has, he kind of is combining an analysis of the cybernetic world with the Anthropocene. And we also, with Exile Terrestrials, have been dealing with the Anthropocene. And that's like, you know, to put it in a nutshell, if you're not familiar with the Anthropocene theories, it's like, we are creating a human-made environment and planets are turning it into what we as humans see for what our realities are, what we need for our needs. And at the same time, sort of destroying ecosystems for all other species. And this also gets really, really emotional. If you think about like what crises we're in, we are probably in the most, we're in a techno-fascist moment. You know, because you're stationary in life, basically, in the history of life. Yeah, yeah, but this crossroads is never probably, that has happened with maybe ice age or something, you know. But this is a man-made, and I will say man-made in this case, because it's a patriarchal ugliness. System of domination. System of domination and techno-colonialism, as I said. And if we don't resolve this and take, sort of the, some kind of recourse or retreat or something to heal ourselves and the planet, this techno-fascism could be like the worst thing we will, we could ever, we can't even imagine how vicious this thing could turn, you know, could turn. And so we need some plans. I won't have those for you this evening. I have to apologize, not so many plans. But, okay, just to finish off with Baron Stiegler, take a look, it's this dense French theory, but he is talking about also just to grab something from this lecture that he did, or sorry, an interview with Zero Books. He mentions this weaponization of financialized technology and financial systems. It's weaponized. So in the same way that we say, you know, Amazon has weaponized the Internet to really just like a vacuum cleaner, suck all of the wealth out of all of our labor in the Internet. You know, this is the way that it's been weaponized and it's been functioning like a very well-built machine. But it's not, you know, it's not what we would want for machines, you know, to try to point out. So we have to confront this. This doomsday kind of machine things that are totally predatory, which to come back to why I'm anonymized this evening is that we should not be at CCC right now thinking that, well, we can all be transparent, you know, not when we're in this predatory environment. If I'm only giving you half of what I'd like to say, and I'm anonymous already, you know, semi-anonymous. If we gathered here in a room and I was discussing all of these topics, you know, I could go deeper into, like, you know, the things that we are threatened by and how we need to respond. But I can't see that on a Zoom stream or something that's going to be archived and, you know, this is unrealistic. So I don't understand that we're obeying this Zoom culture. You know, no offense to anyone. I understand the practicalities and not everyone has tech skills. Myself included. Excel terrestrials really don't like to spend a lot of time figuring out the texture. And we always love when we have the good technicians to work with and we appreciate those ninja skills. But, yeah, for me, it's almost like an instant nausea feeling of trying to navigate these environments. But why are we obeying this, you know? Okay, it's pandemic lockdown. We have to be safe. We have to be careful. This hamster cage thing is accelerating. We are being cubicalized, captured, and this is going to have implications because we need to be working against these corporate agendas. But the more we get pushed into the hamster cages, you won't even be able to move your little paw to grab a glass of water or whatever, you know, to smack that CEO in the face. You won't have any room to get any swing motion, you know, to give punch this mother fucker who just, you know, became the trillionaires, trillionaires, trillionaires, whatever. So, you know, be careful about how deep you go down the hamster cage hole, you know? I want to warn you. I want to warn people out there. These hamster cages are not for humans. They're not for hamsters even. Let your hamster go run wild in the parks. You know, don't try to keep a hamster as a pet. I think it's not a good idea. Unless you live on a farm, which leads me into my next subject about reclaiming space, land. There was a little bit of a land thing discussion I heard earlier or something. And this is crucial. And that's why we need more voices from the Global South, you know, because they know what it is to be with the feet on the ground. We are, we are like in the Norse, global Norse, we are becoming, we're becoming ghosts, like electronic ghosts, you know? We're not living on the planet. So, we need more voices from the Global South. We're really happy to hear from Cyborg Girls because their attitude towards technology is so caring and about the body, you know, we need to deal with this body. And so, great. These are the kind of communities we do need to strategize. So, let's have that dialogue more. What I wanted to, yeah, so land. Here we are in Metropolis. It's, you know, like the Metropolis movie. This is, there's not a happy ending here in this urban hyper-industrialized plundering of our being, you know? We are being used for all kinds of things that just does not feel good, you know? And let's get out into nature more. Of course, we can't abandon the cities. They are an incredible resource. But we need some rotation strategies with land projects. We need to understand if you're a city kid, like some other ex-excel terrestrials, I know very well. You know, they grew up in cities. They don't know anything else. And we need to educate and have, you know, let's have a farm just outside in Brandenburg and, you know, let's be autonomous by making our own food and not have to spend money on a capitalist way to sustain ourselves. And one of the resources I wanted to use in this talk, and I want to have time to go very deep into it and I also need to reread it myself, but Dennis Shep is a nice anarchist character who has written for Roar Magazine an article fresh, fresh as of a few days ago and who don't have the title of the article in front of me. But Roar Magazine, Dennis Shep, and it's about projects that we can create, land-based, that exist outside of the capitalist zones that we don't want to be living in, these abusive, vampiric, parasitical systems, we can find our ways to exist outside of that in these small nodes of these autonomous safe harbors, if you can call them pirates, you can call them safe harbors. And he has a project called The Foundry, which is in northern Spain, Galicia. There's others, I'm sure many of the hackers know about Califou. And we need more of these. We need them everywhere. We need them just outside of our metropolis, unsustainable metropolis city, so we can rethink a new ZAD. ZAD in France was a fantastic laboratory for how can we do this without any of you, no shopping malls, no supermarkets. We're just going to go out to create our community in an anarchist zone and defend that zone too. It's still alive. ZAD, even though they got kicked really hard for trying to be experimental and independent and anarchist, they are still thriving. And we need more of these. We need them everywhere. There was a talk of trying to do ZAD somewhere here when ZAD was being attacked so heavily a couple of summers ago. So I don't know, maybe you'll find some ideas in Dennis Shep's article. We hope to have him on Global East Radio to interview possibly even tomorrow night. That's a good question because somebody just asked how can we find out about next upcoming Citizen Kino situations? Yeah. Citizen Kino is a bit dead at the moment. It's since hibernation during this corona mess. We can't do public events so easily. So it's on hiatus at the moment. But to find out, unfortunately, we have to rebuild a website possibly from scratch. But we hope to have an Excel Terrestrials website again soon or a Citizen Kino website. In the meantime, our most actual running project is the Global East radio industry. So if you put up that initial slide as our backdrop word, that has our website, which is a super simple setup really, really quick just to get things going last March as corona lockdown first round was happening. And if you go to that website, again, it's really simple stuff. But there's a chaos pad. And there we make announcements of when the next GRK shows are going to happen. We are scheduled to do one tomorrow, day four of Congress. I don't know if that stream is the way it's going to link into the actual RC3 infrastructure. We have our own stream page and it's just radio. So we avoid visuals. Yeah, sometimes. And when the situation seems to call for it. And so we have gas, we analyze different topics. Sometimes it's just music. We need our own relax our own brains and enjoy the music. And that's participatory. We're also trying like the cinema artists practice. You know, we want to make globally, it's the radio kit and interactive radio program. So we have this chat room and chaos pads. And we can share links as we're talking about a topic. We can then say, oh, hey, you call us on this line. We'll make real time. And then potentially our tech has not been working so well. We are live. Collaborators, but like in real time, you know, we could be doing things that we're discussing this. It's a comment. You know, instantly invite them in to speak with us on the street. You're interested right to us on the chaos. You're interested right to us on the chaos. We have a discussion on the art practice. The role of artists during the pandemic. I hope I haven't babbled on too much here. If there's other questions and artists working internationally. I did forget to say, you know, I think that's why we're here today. We're here to decolonize. That's why we came. Why we came tonight. Decolonize. And then there was this other phrase I have just. We are kind of living on. Potentially. We are turning our plan. Desertification. And yet you have like the richest people on the planet thinking like, oh, we need to go terraform Mars. Well, what we're doing is we're, we're terra deforming our own habitat. In order to do that, to have all the tech to go make this extraordinary, you know, Kim Stanley Robinson says it's impossible for us to make it to Mars. He has very scientific details about why he says, people, this colonization of Mars is not happening in our lifetimes. And anyway, we don't want to colonize another planet. That's really stupid. We've colonized them. Man through a anthropocentric thing to think of doing, you know, we want to, if we want to collaborate with organisms and other organisms our life, if it's out there, but hey, let's not go colonizing the planet. So think about this. Stop terra deforming. Yeah. Our home. Yeah. You know, and we got to, we got to stop that. We was going to be up to us. Elon Musk isn't going to, he's not going to save it. We're not going to save our backyard. He's not going to save our kids. He's not saving me from my fucking landlord. Yeah. You know, so these motherfuckers. So on that note, I would ask also, somebody is asking, what does solar pump mean to you? Ah, thank you for asking that because I didn't mention the solar pump, but I really, this resonated with me, but I'm going to write up for the, for the Chumbuz. Thank you. Thank you. Chumbuz who gave us the call. And we are here because solar punk is, you know, we accept terrestrial as we're very inspired by punk scene. And the anarchist punk scenes. And solar punk, what a great culture jam of this game. Cyberpunk 2077, which is what is, I don't know, I haven't, I don't play these things, but it's kind of like a shoot them up. Right. It's like a, it's got no intelligent terraforming messages. There are things to actually create in real, real space. It's all, it sucks you into the virtual. It's like, what's that, what's that Spielberg movie, real player one. You know, this is just advertising some kind of new product from these rich, rich bastards who can produce this stuff. You know, environments. I was, I loved Blade Runner as a, as a, as a little ex self terrestrial. And, but there were many, many things that Ridley Scott got wrong with that movie. And if you haven't read Philip K. Dick's book, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Blade Runner. The Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. Yeah. That was the, the book that, the book that I'm known as Blade Runner, but it's a terrible adaptation. But I don't get me started on that topic, but what, back to solar punk. Yeah. Yeah. Lunar punk. Both of these we, in Harmon, you know, as, yeah, yeah, we need both sides of those like in Yang probably, right? We need creative collaborative energy. And we need also some cultures of resistance, militant cultures of resistance to stop the devastation that we are experiencing the, and the, yeah, the victimization, the, the leaving people out in the, you know, drowning in the Mediterranean. This, this can't go on. So a punk attitude. Yes, please. More of it. And thank you so much for, for having this so that we can, we can, we can speak some truth. We can speak some ex self terrestrial analysis. And sorry that I have to be in this, I didn't want to be in this contagious idea of, of, hey, we can be transparent in these dangerous moments. And I don't think we can necessarily some things do, you know, we will have to, we'll have to show ourselves and meet together in, in physical space for sure. Don't hang out too long in the hamster cages. Build is even with whatever playing safe with pandemic narrative. We need to try to organize face to face being together. And really, really great that we could actually come together and work on this. And I don't know, we will try to have a round table discussion tomorrow night on GRK. And maybe we will, we will discuss a bit with you after the last session of today. What's coming up? So please thank you so much. Or you might have to speak a little louder. I'm just saying thank you so much. Dr. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for inspiring talks. We are very welcome here. Solar pump embassy. Yeah, we're very happy to have you. And thank you so much for coming. For everybody who was listening. Thanks. I'm honored to be here. Thank you so much for setting up so quickly. Great resource. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm honored to be here. Thank you so much for setting up so quickly. Great resource here. There's also like other, more projects here that are happening that are blowing my mind. There's community, common stuff going on here that are good strategies. And coming up, we have, I think right now we have an hour break. And then afterwards we continue with an internationalist from the internationalist community in Rojava. We have an activist coming to us. And he's going to talk to us about his experience in the South Kurdistan. Yeah. Revolutionary times there. Looking forward to that. And then we have Radio Kosmika. So we'll have again, Melissa from several girls. Speaking to us about the DIY radio. And to end it, I will give a talk about what I call a pluripersa basic income. And that will be it for the day. So watch out for that. Yeah. I'm going to be around. I'm sticking around. Awesome.