 When we do these recap shows I feel like a lot of the time we're focusing on the downsides injuries bad role changes and stuff like that So it's a really refreshing week We can actually focus on some positives being Kyron Williams back with the Los Angeles Ramses holding a very good role for DFS We're gonna break down Williams outlet going forward talk about the rest of that team and get you ready for other key takeaways Across week 12 and take a look ahead to week number 13 and the salaries over on Fandall calm Welcome on into the heat check fantasy podcast. That's right here. 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Hope is here for the gambling helpline MA org or call 800 3 2 7 50 50 for 247 support in Massachusetts or call 1 8 7 7 8 hope and why or text open why in New York Let's begin things here today with our headliner for week number 12 And it has to be Kyron Williams back with the Los Angeles Rams in a massive massive role and Really no knits to pick with this one He did lose some work to Royce Freeman But Williams finished this game with six targets on top on 16 carries for 204 total yards in this game. He handled seven out of 15 in red zone chances That's not really a role you can beat unless you're basically Christian McCaffrey now They may eventually try to scale things back because Williams doesn't have a hugest frame They've talked about scaling it back and stuff like that, but they're in the playoff lines So I think they need him and he's clearly their best option now next week the Rams get Cleveland And obviously we don't want to go I have players facing Cleveland all that often But I feel like we can make an exception for Kyron Williams Let's pull up the salaries over at fando.com four week number 13 It is a massive red zone share for a guy who gets both carries and targets potential miles Garrett injury here as well So I would say an appropriate salary for Kyron Williams would probably be $8,700 and his salary next week is $8,500. So honestly, that's not that bad And I think he's well worth that given the past catching given the red zone role very tough matchup We don't want to go here often, but for a guy with Kyron Williams role I am very okay with that so Kyron Williams welcome back and thank you for having a fantastic role once again Elsewhere there were some injuries honestly not that much for this week As far as the injuries go the big ones were primarily on the New Orleans Saints They were already about Michael Thomas and then they lost Chris Olava and Rashid Shahid during the game this week Olava ruled out with a concussion Shahid suffered a thigh injury in the first half and did not return and it led to a lot of sense for AT Perry and Lynn Bowden Bowden is a really fun player, but Probably not someone we're gonna get to in DFS because the ceiling is not super high there and Perry has earned Just six targets while running a lot of routes the past two weeks More than anything. I think this would just kind of push more worked out on Camara Joanne Johnson and Tayson Hill Johnson had seven targets in this game Camara had five and This also does downgrade the offensive efficiency in general, especially if Olava does want to visit Which he most likely would Derek Carr wasn't really in play for DFS to begin with But he's fully out of play now with this game or with these injuries Camara gets a boost to his floor but it does hurt his odds of blowing up like it's harder to have a 30-point game when you're on a team that might struggle with the football Which they kind of already were and maybe AT Perry could be a value wide receiver But I need the salary to be super low now. They are facing Detroit next week. So That's a spot. We may want to be on made DFS perspectives Let's just at least take a look at the salaries here on these guys Camara I would probably want to be down to like 84 or so given the offense He's 83. So they're actually kind of making that one somewhat of a decision So kudos them for that. Uh, Joanne Johnson again seven targets this week pretty good players got some burst I would probably want that around 4800 dollars a tight end and he is 49. So okay again appropriate An AT Perry I need in kind of like the true dart throw range Even if there's no Olava and no Shahid So probably looking closer to like 52 for him and his salary is 57 so they bumped him up quite a bit. So not terrible on Camara not terrible on Joanne Johnson, but overall I think it just kind of downgrades that team makes that game a bit less fun against Detroit. So It's it's not a great situation overall for them Kind of a bummer. I'd see that happen for new Orleans Quinton Johnston left early and last night's game for the Chargers and did not return Didn't really matter because Keenan Allen had a 14 target game for the third consecutive game Jaylen Geithen ranked third in the team in targets with five. Austin Eckler had six Geithen did have two deep targets, but We kind of know what he is I guess like I feel like I always put him in this box of being a no upside kind of guy But like he does get deep targets does get red zone targets from a quarterback who is very skilled Allen and Eckler basically are the guys here Losing Johnston would boost the volume expectations for those two guys, but again similar to Camara Would hurt the offensive efficiency as a whole If they're if they don't have another key offensive player at least until Josh Palmer is back now I I'd be into Palmer if he returned, but I have not seen anything Saying he'll be back this week because these elves will come off. I are now I haven't seen anything saying he'll be back this week if he is cool. I'll be there, but I think the same thing with Eckler and Allen as we had with Camara where it does boost their floor because the volume is good, but Probably gonna be muted overall Just because like they're not going to be in a lot of shootouts next week facing new england Probably Bailey zappy there, you know, they're implied total is fine at 23 and a half, but it's just I don't know Not the highest upside team right now Finally injury note was in the Browns. They lost both Dorian Thompson Robinson and Amari Cooper to injuries against the Broncos It was a concussion for dtr and a rib injury for Cooper PJ Walker took over a quarterback in was really rough Honestly, much worse than dtr was For the full season dtr's efficiency stats are better than walkers and both of those guys are much worse than Deshaun Watson So it'd be another downgrade for this offense if they had to go back to Walker for a period of time David and a joku in Elijah Moore got a ton of volume with Cooper cup with with Amari Cooper missing time But neither guy had 60 receiving yards now the Broncos defense has been a lot better But certainly anybody in this offense right now that does include Jerome Ford. He did have a very nice 71 snap rates on Sunday. So like that that helps and that's like at least not a total cross-off But like again, I don't know what the best case scenario for this offense is right now So hard for me to get super intrigued. They're facing the Cardinals next week or the Rams next week. That's not a defense I fear by any means but Just not sure if there's enough there To get really drawn in in that situation So instead of let's talk about some more fun stuff Let's talk about a roll update in that exact same game because Russell Wilson is starting to run a bit again Which is fun to see for sure I kind of saw this in it was the Monday night game against the bills where he was kind of making those like off schedule Old school Russell Wilson plays again some like weird shovel plays on third and long He had 11 rush attempts sunday now four of those were needles So basically seven but even seven is a big number for him and he hit that number in the first half So russ was running a lot when that game was still competitive And he now has seven plus rush attempts in three of the past four games and it's come With some increased passing efficiency and this makes sense if you make russ more of a threat that's legs His passing will probably be more efficient Since their bi-week a three game sample courtland sudden has a 26 target share nobody else is above 16 percent Sutton is averaging two deep targets per game in that span as well I typically tend to think that sudden is over salaried but It's definitely a bump up for him. The volume has been getting here recently and russ running more Would have the potential to make Sutton viable at a higher salary as well So next week they get the Texans. That's honestly a pretty fun game the total net game went up a point and a half overnight It's now 46 and a half the Texans fair by three I would say for Sutton. I'd probably still want around 68 or so. It's a bad past defense, but I just I they didn't throw very much still on sunday So like the good target share is not the most voluminous roll still So I want 68 for Sutton and he's 69. Okay. That's fair. That's very fair for him For russ given the rush attempts. I do think he's in play for dfs. So if his salary were like 7600 or so I would be open to it and he's 74 So that's a bit high from you. I want to see the breakdown of the quarterback slate But 74 a bit higher than I wanted to be it's an improvement for sure and I'm actually willing to consider russ now where I have not been this entire year But still want a little bit more before I fork over 74 again depending on what quarterback looks like on that slate Givante Williams sticking with the Broncos also set a new season highway. They 71 snap rate in that game 18 carries and six targets and that's very good the bad is that it resulted in just 71 yards and Williams had three of 11 red zone chances Somage p ride mixed in the red zone as well got some passing game work and played pretty well Which is always the the issue with somage p riders. He tends to play well, which prevents him from getting squeezed out entirely So it is an upgrade for williams to play all those snaps, but It's still definitely not a great roll. Uh, he was 64 hundred dollars last week on fan duel I think he should probably be up to like 67 or so given the snap rates But the red zone roll is annoying the lack of pass or the the potential lose passing game work to so much p run is annoying so I'll say 67 and he's 66. So That's not bad. I can live with that at least I think it's about appropriate the Texans better against the rush than they are against the pass So it funneled more work towards the passing game, but williams does get that too So at 66 he's not out of consideration for me roll did get better this week There are some positives so Bronco's salary is not as bad as I thought they might be for the matchup with the Texans next week So probably a game we were talking about plenty once we get to thursday's show Where she rice finally got a roll expansion For the cheese to become basically an every down player 67 snap rate for rice But more importantly, he earned 10 targets in this game His previous high for a game was seven and rice turned that into 170 yards in a touchdown Which should keep that roll a bit more steady So when looking at this chief's passing offense rice is clearly the guy with the best upside beyond Travis Kelsey and if you can add a floor onto that ceiling he'd be a really good asset. So I would say Rice, you know, they're not the main slate next week. They're playing a green bay on sunday night I would say rice is morphing into a low 6000 salary player versus 57 this week was fine. I used him in like the 4 p.m. Slate, but not on the full slate. Uh, so Low 6000s esk player for me right now, which is an approval from where he was before and if he keeps on playing like He did in that game Then I would not be shocked if our confidence in rice grows more and our confidence in the chief's offense in general Grows as well That could also translate to Isaiah Pacheco who said a new new high in snap rate once again this week with No, jerry mckinnon 79% snap rate for pacheco his previous high was in the 60s. So Up 10 percentage points for pacheco 15 carries and five targets and he was out there in more high levered situations, which was great to see He had I think he was out there for They had a third and goal from like the 10 which is like of the most mckinnon esk Uh situation possible Edwardsy layer like came halfway on the field and then pacheco like shoved him off. So It was a good rule for pacheco for sure mckinnon mckinnon didn't practice friday I'm not sure if that was a downgrade for him like if he re-injured something or what but uh, not sure what his status is Given they didn't practice on friday But if mckinnon does keep missing time we need to bump up pacheco at least a half tier I would say if not a full one I had him in nearly every line up this week given he was 66 and there was no mckinnon So that kind of gives you an idea of where I was with his salary where it was at He'd be like a mid 7,000 type guy if mckinnon were to miss more time and I'd be happy to pay that still Given the offense he's in Damian pierce was back But devon singletary still uses a feature back for the texans Singletary had just six carries But he added seven targets and an 81 snap rate and handled five out of eight red zone chances And those numbers are honestly just as good as what he was doing while pierce was out So pierce was back, but singletary's rule were made basically the same and pierce practice and fold the entire week So it's not like they were easing it back in he was good to go and they still leaned on singletary So singletary is not the most talented back But he is a lead back on a good offense and they host the broncos next week again In a very good game where they're a slight home favorite So when you combine all those things together, I would say an appropriate style for singletary right now is probably around 7100 dollars and he's seven thousand So I didn't expect to be on singletary once pierce got back given that i'm not typically the biggest singletary guy But I think given the snap rates given the offense given the passing game work We'll probably want to be there. So devon singletary a really nice usage day On sunday and a guy will probably be on once again next week. So Pretty excited about him based on the usage. He saw in that game We saw the raven's first game without mark andrews and ze flowers and azalea likely both had very good roles to the team Flowers led with eight targets. Uh, that was his highest since back in week five He also had a long rushing touchdown. Obviously he had uh You know that was kind of fluky, but the eight targets is good Is a likely six targets or 40 yards He ran a route on 26 or 34 drop backs Rashad babin also played a bunch of snaps as odal beckham was clearly still banged up during the game I thought odell would be the guy who benefited most from andrews being out and Kind of someone the sidelines 33 snap rate. He said he'd be playing through pain So it makes sense that the the numbers for beckham Were not that great now. They have a bi-week coming up, which means odell can get healthy I would love uh to be on uh him at some point and I think that beckham will still be relevant at some point, but We'll keep this in the back of our minds that ze flowers Getting good target numbers as we expected azalea likely and play for dfs. We want to go with this offense and um Could potentially be in on beckham as well assuming he is fully healthy In that backfield keep michael continued to rise But still not the role you want to see just yet He had nine carries and two targets for 89 yards, which is very good You know from an efficiency perspective, but he also had zero to five red zone chances losing work there at a justice hill He'll have three red zone chances I think the bigger takeaway from from michael's assent is that it pushes gusts edwards out of the picture And that's fine by me because I didn't use gusts to begin with I'm down to buy michael eventually, but I do want some reporting from reporters we trust like adam shefters and the good baltimore beat reporters If they give us a thing like saying hey After the buy they're going to unleash michael then i'll buy in but I want that reporting first or see a tangible shift in snap rates Because it's been kind of slow played and you know It's not the most fantasy friendly backfield to begin with given they lose work to lamar don't get a lot of targets so I want either reporting Or a shift in role that we see before I buy into michael, but it wasn't another improved output for last night james connor's role lost a quite a bit of juice this week The cardinals were down big the entire game, but played just 39 of the snaps both michael carter and amari de marcotta worked in Carter slowed five targets, but just 32 yards I'm not going to be into connor until that role improves or until the offense gets better And again, they did struggle once again. We talked about that a bit on the the wednesday show Then that that efficient even with kyler being back back continued in this one so Want that offense to get better before I buy in the backfield and honestly if connor's going to lose work in the passing game Might not get there even if they do get better We did see marquis browns where we'll get better though He had 12 targets sunday and four of those were downfield Trannick bride still had nine targets because they threw so much in that game and greg dorsch had nine as well They won't always throw this much and kyler again still has not been efficient, but four deep targets for brown is Tough to turn down. They're on the road against pittsburgh next week. So pretty tough spot for them facing a very tough offense playing outdoors on the road, but I did think the volume for brown And Mcbride is at least enough to take a look at their salaries I I think I'd still want brown in like the low 6000 range given that it's a tough mash-up So I'd probably say probably 62 or 61 for him and marquis brown sour next week at 68 yikes That's pretty high given the match-up and for trannick bride I'd probably say still around 61 or so 63 We'll say 62 cut the middle and he is 67 so Cardinal salaries have gotten to where they should be that's pretty annoying No longer values there and I think when you combine that with the lack of efficiency in the tough match-up I'm okay Taking a pause in the cardinals offense for dfs at least for next week Darius layton was surprisingly able to play for the giants on sunday, but jalen hyatt still had his career best game He had four deep targets and six overall targets for 109 yards Tommy DeVito didn't play great, but he was still fine enough and they're letting him throw a deep now Hyatt has speed. He has talent I'm not going to cross all this entire offense anymore, which I've kind of done so far I think there's enough here to consider sake one in the right spots I'd need a really really good match-up like at home against arizona basically Um to like get there Hyatt is at least somewhat viable as well They're on buy next week. So maybe hyatt's roll gets a bit better But honestly it's been okay for a bit now but developing more of a rapport with with uh with DeVito be good Stuff like that, but keeping an eye on the giants No longer a full cross-off more so a partial cross-off I would also love to cross off the patriots, but they're at least getting remandry stevens in the ball He's topped 100 yards in scrimmage enough three consecutive games Whereas he hadn't topped 89 in a game before that now. They still play in awful games Um And that won't change because the quarterback situation there is abysmal They have no juice on offense all those things but Stevenson Can be a consideration at the right salary and in the right match-up and next week they get the chargers That's a good match-up because the Chargers defense is pretty bad so I really don't want to but I do feel like it's requiring to check on Stevenson's salary I I I just haven't used anybody in this offense all year and I'd like to keep doing that but Honestly, given the match-up given the role getting better I do feel like I should at least give it a check so Let's say 68 on Stevenson And he's 73. Thank you faddle for allowing me to just avoid him. I think 73 is too high. I know it's a good match-up I know he's been getting doing better recently, but like I just I don't know if I could do 73 in that offense so Hopefully I can avoid him next week. I would love to just kind of not deal with it but It does depend on how the rest of the slate breaks down because he is at least have a good enough role to justify consideration Jake Browning was not as bad in in his first game in place of Joe Burroughs I thought he might be average 0.05 passing that expected points for drop back His completion percentage of over expectation was 9.1 But it was kind of like Tyson Baygent where it was all check downs Only two throws for browning went more than 15 yards downfield Now that may change when they're not facing the Steelers defensive line against a very bad offensive line, but I'm going to keep status quo for now, which means not using Joe mixon in in a non explosive offense Viewing jamar chase similar to Garrett Wilson when Zach Wilson was starting where like He's fine if the salary comes down But I do need it to come down quite a bit to Really get intrigued there. They're facing Jackson on Monday night. So not in the main slate, but I need that salary to come down the volume would be good for chase But just the it's the efficiency that bothers me In their first game after firing Matt Canada the Steelers got 40 yards in the offense for the first time And I think it was 58 gains, which is absurd their approach on offense was not super different though there was some I would say Smarter distribution the ball for Kenny pick it like throwing the ball over the middle a bit more Stuff like that. They were equally rush heavy though Najee Harrison Jalen Warren had basically the same roles they had before The difference though is it got Pat Fryer with more involved. Uh, he had 11 targets, which is His high in the season by seven his previous high was four. So honestly I don't want to change how I view them that much Maybe that does burn me, but They haven't had many upside players. So I'm fine being lower on them the consensus for a bit Now the problem is next week they're facing Arizona, which means I kind of got to go there. I'm not going to get to pick it. I can't do that. But like I could see Fryer Muth if his sour were like 53 being in play and he's 58. Yeah, that's a I get it. I get it I'm guessing low on all these this week. So Not a good sign for value next week, but 58 is okay for firemuth It's not perfect by any means. I do want to see George Pickett instead of curiosity Pickins in this game. I want to check the target totals four pickings because if I think he had eight if I remember it correctly, but I could be wrong on that pickings at five Uh, it was diante johnson who had eight as far as downfield targets go diante had one firemuth had three pickings had two so I would say for diante johnson. I'd probably want him around like 64 or so And his salary is 68 again a little high pickings. I'd want around 63 or so 66 I am low across the board. Maybe this is just uh, sour is getting jacked up Because of the matchup, but they're all a little high for me for the stealers So good vibes better vibes at least well the diante johnson vibes are kind of bad But like it's an overall improvement for them coming off of a a game where they actually put up some yardage, but I think that it might be okay to be a bit low on them despite the matchup Bijan Robinson had 100 yards in scrimmage for the second consecutive game on sunday, which is delightful 16 carries and six targets Two of his three highest carry totals have come in the past two games And he also three out of five red zone chances Which does not count his receiving touchdown because that one came from further out so I think it cemented the fact that his role is better now than it was Earlier on got that roll bump in week 10 had their bi-week and then had this good game in week 12 They're at the Jets next week. The Jets are a pretty tough spot, but you can run the ball a bit on them So they're not a cross-off defense by any means this game is not good Uh total for this game is I believe 35 and a half. So For 34 and a half that's not great But I do still like roll the roll for Bijan quite a bit. So I'd probably say probably $7,700 for him. He's 81 man. I am low on everything for next week. So That's not ideal a little bit concerning. I'm excited to see the salary scroll See if there are guys we have not discussed who may be hopefully a bit under salary, but I'm coming in low pretty much across the board. It's a good sour for Bijan I knocked it down because of the matchup against the Jets, but For his roll 8100 is probably appropriate. It's more to the matchup that in game environments lowers me on him I'm not sure if Kenneth Walker the third will miss more time But Zach Charbonnet's roll was good without him. He had 14 carries and four targets on an 87% snap rates The yardage was not there, but you also don't really expect that given the matchup With the 49ers I would happily be on Charbonnet again if Walker were to miss more time They get the cowboys on Thursday night football that game is in Dallas so Big underdogs once again, but you can run the ball in Dallas a bit. So I would be very okay With Charbonnet being high on him in single-game entries If we get him without Walker again that roll was kind of what you expected in a good way for Charbonnet on Thursday With Luke Musgrave out both jade and reed and christian watson and really nice games Watson had seven targets and four of those were deep Reed tied a season high with eight targets and he also had two more rushing attempts Tucker craft played 96% of the snaps but earned just two targets in this one With nowhere in jones aj dylan played a 52 snap rate despite a positive script 14 carries three targets 81 yards Dylan did have four out of nine red zone chances. Which is kind of the only positive in his profile. So I do like watson and reed. They both get high leverage looks I'm less high on dylan Um, I think that we're seeing watson and reed kind of separate a bit in this passing game And they might get more looks with musgrave being on ir. So I bumped them up Dylan status quo in a bad way Charbonnet was status quo in a good way bad way for aj dylan Still not earning more work for this team. I don't think they trust him to have like a full full workload And I understand why so A bit annoying for aj dylan in his role once again Jameson williams ran around on 31 of 47 drop backs to the lines of Thanksgiving earned just three targets, but turned that into 51 yards I would need the salary to be low But we know that williams can make pretty big plays And I think that's enough for us to at least continue Considering him in the right spots next week. Detroit is taking on new orleans. So another dome game for them Which is always a positive You know williams is 53 on thanksgiving I'd probably want to stay around there, but like if he were 53 I'd be okay at least giving it some thought given it is an indoor game if marshawn latimore can't go again He wouldn't like shadow williams by any means means, but like, you know does hurt their secondary overall so I would say 54 for jameson williams next week. He's 52. So Probably will be there from being fully honest next week Just because the snaps are there talent is there can't have yardage upside can't get touchdown. So Wouldn't be shocked if i'm on jameson williams for the main site next week I'm apparently going to need a lot of salary to save Given what things look like elsewhere. And I think there's enough there to consider him at that number One small note from thursday is that george kittle had two d targets in that game Kittle now has multiple d targets and five consecutive games now debo didn't play in two of those, but That's tough to get a tight end and it's even tougher to get from a quarterback who is as efficient on deep throws as brock purdy is I have been resistant to kittle when they've had both debo and iuk healthy, but I do think this increases the odds that he skewers me for not using him. So I've been resistant of kittle Given his high salaries and given they've had all the guys healthy But more open to him now if he's gonna get deep work from a guy Playing as well on the deep throws as purdy is. I probably have to at least consider him So amending a previous error for kittle. I'd rather pay up for kittle than get to mcbride at 67 If you want to point a comparison uh for a salary you've already seen for next week Let's take a look at other salaries across week number 13 pull up the fandal player pool for the week 13 main slave primary games next week Miami is facing the commanders So very high total there you can see on the screen if you're watching on fandal tv plus or fandal youtube tyrie kill $10,000 I get that we'll get to receive her in a second see where the rest of the guys settle in but like That's a fair game. Uh denver in houston's a good game. And then we also have san francisco taking on philadelphia, which will be a banger of a game In the nsc going up over to quarterback. No ma homes on this slate. No josh allen Uh and no lamar jackson, which is why To a tongue of iloa carries the second highest salary 84 I don't think that's totally off base given the amount of passing volume. We'll see in this game on both sides given Washington can sometimes be frisky enough to keep things close. I don't hate that for two uh at 84 I think that's fine. Brock perty 78. I know he's had more upside recently. That's a little bit high given He's never really bad in this super super high upside guy Would have preferred that would be a little bit lower personally Honestly quarterback does not look great. Um, it might just be a slate where you say, okay Jalen hurts is 9 000 you go there and figure out the rest because hurts will always be a phenomenal play maybe perty gets bumped up just because of the Game environment there. Maybe we go cj stroud against denver, but they've been pretty good recently I'm Yeah, I think it might just be a hurts week again make it easy on ourselves. Maybe just go to uh Stuff like that make it easy. It might just be a week to spend up a quarterback once again at running back Kyron williams mentioned before don't mind his sour 8500. I think that's very fair It's a tough matchup at home against cleveland if there's no miles garret that would improve williams outlook a pretty decent amount, but okay with kyron 85 If we can find the salary to get there Us neckler 8 000. I think he was 8 000 on the thursday through monday slate this week He was for the super flex slate at least which was included sunday night. So 8 000s. I don't know man like I will probably find a way to get there, but you know just it that one is what it is jimera gives a 77 um, his role was still pretty good On sunday now part of that was because on thursday, I should say part of that was because they got down So they kind of factored david montgomery out, but gibbs saw a good role. So 77 for him is not terrible given The way that game sets up reshad white finally gets a plus matchup His role is a good again on sunday over 100 yards and scrimmage again. They're facing carolina just fired frank rike Would be shocked if i'm on reshad white against 75 now He's not like the highest upside guy and paying 75 for that is a bit more daunting than anything else. So It's not low the salary for reshad white, but I think it's appropriate So him against both pretty interesting in the mid 7 000 range at running back Again, don't mind single terry 7 000s Facing denver could be a good way to get access to that game The others who have to do a really weird like usage game on sunday where he basically didn't touch the football in the first half still had a down game overall, but like I don't think it was as down as the box score would say the snap rate for swift was still 63 14 carries only one target two out of seven red zone chances Uh, no red zone chance for kind of gain well though So the other switch to 67 might be a good way to get access to that game without breaking the bank I Don't hate that and don't hate javante williams again at 66. I think those are the you know Quote-unquote value guys popping here beyond single terry at 7 000 It's going down further at running back Not seeing much down here. So I feel like again They'll probably be a week where we save salar running back getting down to single terry getting down to swift checking out guys Like javante williams potentially as well. I think that might be the route To playing things even we want to get to jail. It hurts likely at quarterback next week Wide receiver. Let's see what we can find here so we can find some value behind Beyond just javison williams at 5200 dollars Scrolling down tank delts 82 worth it totally fine with that as always Iuk is 8 000. I was kind of hoping we might get him a bit lower Same thing with devontae smith at 77 to get access to that game I think we'll see a lot of passing game work on both sides in that one so The salaries aren't low for iuk in devontae smith, but I still wouldn't be entirely shocked if I did What if game there's similar to gillian waddle at 78 given again? I expect that game to be pretty passive and waddle looked good in that friday afternoon game debo samuel 73 facing philadelphia once again Pretty okay with that Do you want to dig in more to like what they've looked like when they've had all their guys healthy? But debo had a good game on thursday. So 73 is not a terrible number for him Scrolling down further at receiver courtland sudden is fine at 69 not amazing but fine Now let's try to find some value here getting down to low 6000 range not seeing much that stands out down here at least as of right now And we're into the 5000 range now and still not seeing much there either Oh boy, it might be a tough week for value Which means maybe we are talking gillian guiden at 53 taking on new england if there's no josh palmer yet if there's no There's no quintin johnston stuff like that. Maybe we're kind of forced into guiden at 53 or forced into jameson williams at 52 Those guys might want to being necessities For us next week. Don't see a whole lot. Oh if josh palmer is activated. He's five thousand dollars Haven't seen a lot on him. I think again the benefit here is we do get to see practice reports Like whether guys are full in practice limited, etc, etc But josh palmer if he gets in a full practice on thursday or friday $5,000 for him that could be a key value at wide receiver So it might be wind up being a kind of stars in scrubs type. Ooh, my vermin's is $4,800. Let me check to see What a snap rate was this past week. It's been pretty good overall recently He's been getting some like gadgety type plays like some rush attempts Which we will take playing indoors pretty good game this past week marvin mims Why can i oh three targets for marvin mims? They didn't throw a whole lot. That's not terrible Deep targets for mims one there one last week. Let's check the snaps On uh marvin mims for this week again $4,800 for him. Which is why this is at least worth bringing up All right snap rate from marvin mims this week was 47 percent Maybe that's because it was a rush heavy script Let me see the routes Because they didn't run a ton of pass plays 11 routes from marvin mims adam trawlin ran more javante williams ran more okay, well Talked myself out of that one real fast. So probably not getting to marvin mims, but Hopefully josh palmer can come off ir. I'd be okay with him fine with james and williams at uh 52 Maybe wind up being more than fine By default there and maybe jillian guided 53. We might need to be in the value ranger receiver once again this week Similar to what we were this past week tight end george kittle 74 again I think that's fair given the deep targets given the efficiency on the deep targets from rock party I understand why His salary is there fry me with 58 looks a bit better now than it did before just because like They they bumped up sours and guys like mcbryden stuff like that. Maybe I am on fire move at 58 He played well in that game. He's facing arizona Maybe it does just make sense to get to fire move in that spot Scrolling down at tight ends not seeing much Logan thomas didn't do a whole lot for us on the Thursday slates only four targets there despite the fact they threw like 97 times That's not great. Um, kate otten is $5,100 to probably just rally get to fire me with there. Uh, let's see the numbers on otten from this week Five targets. That's not terrible 14 target share overall Has had some deep targets recently. So I guess that's something but I think the better value is in uh fryer moot at 58 I prefer logan thomas as well 52 over kate otten at 51 Uh, juan johnson 49 if we have no olave and no shahid in this game They gotta throw the ball somewhere and johnson at least is athletics. So Maybe it winds up being a juan johnson week for a spend down option And then I don't see a whole lot elsewhere at tight end in the lower ranges. So Yeah higher and firing within I thought I was at 58 Just because we need to say salary. He does that for us and played well in a An expanded role in this past week. So maybe that's our route to getting exposure to the Steelers off the mac canada firing I think that we'll see a lot of people go towards fryer within that one, but potentially justified Given the way things set up there That's all that we have for today here on the heat check We're back with you once again thursday to give a full preview of the week 13 main site trying to find some value Hopefully By that point to make our lineups work over on fandall if you got any questions for me I am on twitter at jim sonnis. 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