 What do you do that he doesn't like and that he wants that you can't do? well very little on the On the wallet seat, but it comes up. He says why wasn't I invited to the Meeting in the White House on the crime program. Well, the reason was that invited the committee and the leadership So that's accepted that he said why haven't you briefed me on the civil rights bill? We will but again, you know, you know, you start doing this Perhaps I'm getting bureaucratic but you start doing this in terms of the members of the committee and the leadership and so forth You know, no, that's what you're hurt. He's hurt about it Why haven't you done it with me? Well, the reason is Why haven't you done it with other 85 senators? Well, I'd say number one. I haven't done it with the president yet I'm just trying to see what I can get through this goddamn committee That's what I'd say. I'd say I'm trying to feel the leaders and the committee what I can get through this committee That's what I'm trying to do and I haven't gone over this for the president. I haven't gone over With him yet our instructions To take every committee and any committee at you on bills come up to it if you if you're in reachable position Why are we called you? I don't think he accepts I don't observe that he accepts when he's invited No, no, let it get run the other way Yes, I think that I'll give you a list sometime and you can just say and I would guess he's been invited 20 times And he may have accepted three like the immigration bill in new york. He was very much there and The other day he was something here at the White House uh, the vietnam bill On military preparations for vietnam uh, the thing that he's got and I don't want to He doesn't understand this Uh, my daddy used to say some people stamp crooked themselves. They think everybody else is and some people so evil themselves are so Manipulating themselves. They think everybody else is now. I'm not trying to build any political organization in this country If I did I'd be aware to a democratic national committee and I'd have a hell of a hierarchy All I've done is fire everybody over there Just fire and move them all back because there's a bunch of Has bands that have just cost us a lot of money and so when they come along into orders to advertise and these $15,000 things I never heard of till they've done it And then I've been trying to get them out of it ever since and I seriously think the way we ought to do that Just send these people back the money. I told Henry Fowler to go up and testify on behalf of the amendment I don't want a corporation Being shaken down while i'm president. I said just tell williams by god. I'll call you and raise you And he did he testified for the amendment, of course We never got any credit for it and I owned it in my bill In my corrupt brexit bill or my legislation bill and he jumped in there, but uh I'm not trying to shove I'm free or shove anybody Out in front of bobby. I have no objections bobby becoming president of this country I just by god want to be a president myself and I think it ill behooves the kennedys after all I've done for the kennedys To not reciprocate the treatment that I've given them Everything they've ever asked the father the president bobby And teddy I've done except put bobby on the ticket to vice president That's all I pardoned frank borkin and I sent mars his name to the senate and I uh Named you attorney general and I've done every damn thing they asked and I went to new york and every time he asked me I went and I campaigned I traveled one end of that state the other I think if I just sent the word down the line and I thought keating would make a hell of a lot better Sending out thank y'all knock his ass off. I think they're beating nothing And I I think you ought to have a little bit of gratitude And I don't ask that but he goes around and he stirs up all this trouble. Let me show you how cheap it is yesterday The new york chairman his man came down and spoke to new york delegation and says it magna mara Who had standless best friend bobby's got in the cabinet? Maybe the exception to you but I mean of the regular cabinet man that I deal with Always takes up one always says count me in on his side record me as being in favor of bobby No Equivocation has to see a lumps in his throat or anything He gives a parent says well, you're way back in mara street new york city Why don't all of us gang up here and vote against johnson's bills until he makes peace with us That's just pure goddamn blackmail And that ought to do that to the democratic party And he and joe clark and some of these folks that are doing this joe clark's predicting We'll lose 75 seats. We've done nothing except to acquiesce and every request he's made And every recommendation he's even made on united nations on pauses and everything else But I can't pull out and he says he doesn't want to pull out But he does that not listen for the list tonight. He's got 30 minutes here on what joe clark's saying what this crook or blip And let's hold on to this. He's saying if clark says that he's a great ad a Liberal he says we're going to lose 75 and all we got to do is lose 77 in the republic of benchark That's where everybody gets your money together and do all you can and let's pick up those extra two seats They've already conceded 75 and that type of speech now Bobby ought to be doing that and teddy ought to be finding little ways of being away from me Uh, I found ways to To embrace jack in this program I leaned over everywhere human could and when I didn't agree as I told him I didn't know in the bay of pigs I just stood up like a man and said he did the right thing and I'm for him I didn't run or shimmy or belly could cry Uh in the cuban missile crisis. I thought that we ought to do some other things and still felt so but I didn't I didn't differ and Nobody knew it, but he and I in a secretary state but I've got a clear conscience. I don't know why they do this But both of them do it. Bobby much more so than teddy. Bobby is behind this revolt up there on vietnam. He's going around meeting with them and called in together Suggesting this and suggesting that And when russell put him on spot, which I didn't know I called russell and begged him not to he said well, I won't show these guys up I want to make a record and rub their nose in it and then let the Legion everybody understand it like I just called and played until I got him to And got mac America see him and got him to agree not to offer his motion just let morris offer his motion So that gave him a chance to get off, but he says I don't want to beat guys like nelson Dick russell did so they ought to be here to begin with And that's what they're going to do now what these liberals going to do They're not going to hurt me one damn bit because I've already recommended my recommendations I don't have to implement them and our salary is going to be paid But they're going to clean out a bunch of good liberal freshmen here by all this Disarmament in this division and it's not going to help them And if they come along the nomination, they're going to be worth a damn to them if they get it And that's why I don't understand why they can't see that Can I try that with bobby when he's I think you ought to I've never I don't say anything against him I don't have any of my staff cussing him. They're nobody out trying to defeat him I'm trying to help hell. I call him I've called him five times so every time he's calling me He came in recommend the first pause. I put it in fact purely and simply because he thought do the job I don't I think he's immature on this thing. I think the slushers and the boys advise him I don't think they're right But uh, uh, that's not the reason why I'm prided. Well, he never did either, mr president And this is one thing I could tell him You know spudging here was never No ever You know bobby would laugh at this when he was was uh You know really deciding he's got an idea though that I'm an evil, uh East lung that is trying to trip him up now if I try and trip him up Why in the living hell would I tell everybody including Wagner? To support him and I just told Wagner had no choice I not only did that I told wisely had no choice He had to get in and help him at least Stevens the one run told me if I would just indicate to him He's all right. He'd do it and I told him not to do it And I'd lay steams and never liked me to his dying grave. Well, if fella did me that way Nick I'd never forget it as long as I live I agree with you. I'd like to and I have a I have no obligation to umprey I just happen to think that umprey was the best thing that I could do as vice president Of the whole thing and I thought I had a right to do that very clear that that was right And uh, I like that just I'd like to really have Something of a free hand to take a crack Yeah, well not only a free hand, but you can you can you can deliver on this side of the dance you can produce Any comment that he hears he jumped on jack blendy out here one night just abused him something terribly And jack blendy had said a word against him wasn't true at all. Somebody's gone telling He's got the role of evan's isn't a little guys that want to suck up to him Uh, and by going around telling him that everybody in the white house is gunning for him That joe californo's his friend. He likes him. He's my bill more years is his friend I thought he murdered bill more years the other day, but bill didn't cry word He misrepresented him. He said he said something he didn't say Uh, he misquoted him and everything else and I thought he made himself look bad I didn't say so and I never nobody at this white house hit him Now what happened was he made this damn fool's speech at slush your rope. They tell me I don't know and maybe entirely wrong, but Let me see who it was tonight. Somebody told me tonight that Bill more years told me tonight that at a Book meeting there the night they were slushed your book was up that His uh, his defense of the vietnam thing Was the same words and same phrase the same logic in bobby's speech on the negotiated vietnam And the four different people told him I guess he was the post editor aboard something That slush was bragging that he had written this speech. Well, anyway, whether he wrote it or whether he didn't He made this speech now. I came home and I heard it on radio and I heard it on television and Everybody was saying bobby's advocating Negotiating with the vietnam. I didn't see his speech. I didn't read his speech. I just heard all day Well, it ran all day all saturday afternoon. He had his meeting saturday morning a statement at the press conference And I I stretched out here in bed and took my nap and I listened to the news on the hour and on the half hour And I just rolled tumble in the bed and I listened to it for about two hours saturday afternoon Saturday evening I watched the tv news and it was there until 11 o'clock and it was the biggest place sunday morning It was all a play in the country except for right in dorsi's kennedy's effort to negotiate bed comp Then they come along and asked george ball who did not talk to me and never does talk to me and was hired by kennedy not by me But to ask george ball, what do you think about it and he commented on it then bobby comes in the bill more He says why does the administration cut loose and misinterpret my position Now george ball had done was let the press interpret and see what everybody else had said and he commented on that interpretation And when you go back, it's pretty goddamn hard to accept any other interpretation uh So uh when it got into the squabble, I told bill I said I saw him on television And I heard him say That he thought that we ought to consider seriously Doing business to vietcong Uh, so he says well his written statement doesn't say that and it's got to get an out place I said we'll just call up the networks and get a copy which we did And here's a statement on the networks Impromptu is different from his prepared statement and goes much further than his prepared statement So I bill said then how do we handle that? And I say you just say it's under kennedy Doesn't mean that he wants to negotiate with him then we are in agreement And don't get in the fight with him. So we didn't we just we played it cool But he's got a martyr complex. He thinks this white house spends 24 hours. They try and show him up Now that's why that's not trying to I like showing good. I like seeing him down here walking down the street with me I'd like to go to alexandria and make speeches with him I'd like to hear him get up there and say this administration is damn good one and mention linden johnson Any speeches he doesn't He goes all over latin america just giving me hell by saying that he never would have gone into the dominican republic And yet I got a brother his brother's memo As late as october the 12th asking magnum air to tell him how many people he can put in benzuela and Haiti and the dominican republic in 12 hours and 24 hours costed we may have to move And russ said that he would have moved in naked by himself after the day of pegs if he thought the communists were taking over one of those countries And And uh, anyway the memo the memo is there and all I gotta do is release this memo just show that his own brother was considered doing it Uh Three weeks before he died Before they had made the move He he he directed a memo to the secretary of defense