 Glad to have you back with us, join us in watching plus politics. Moving on to the next segment, our total of 447 out of over 5,000 nominees were received by National Honours Awards, the Minister of Special Duties and Intergovernmental Affairs George Akume said. Akume stated these in his opening address at the National Honours Awards Investiture at the International Conference Centre Abuja on Tuesday. According to Akume, only 447 persons made the alloyed list out of all the nominees, who were drained from various walks of life across the public and private sectors. The National Honours Awards was established by the National Honours Act of Fund Number 6 in 1964 as it took a retractive effect from October 4, 1963. The Act imparts the President, by warrant the Nigerian Order of Dignity to honour deserving citizens who have contributed to the development and progress of the country in any field of endeavor. According to the Minister, 447 citizens and also foreigners, labeled as Nigerians and friends of Nigeria, received various honors ranging from the Grand Commander of the Order of the Niger and Federal Republic Medals. Joining us to discuss these is Tunji Abdul Hamid, our legal practitioner and also former journalist, glad to have you on the programme. Thank you very much for joining us. Now the first and final question which is very key to everyone is looking at these awards after 5,000 we have 447. Now first what can you say about this? Can you hear me? Yes I can hear you. Now as we are looking at the award that the award is being presented by the President, 447 of these out of 5,000 nominees. What is your take to this first? To be very honest I think it is a mixed feeling. You would argue that there are quite a number of persons on that list who are well deserving of their awards. You talk about the WTO, DG, we are going to talk about people like Amina Mohammed who has done absolutely amazing. You talk about the writer, the famous writer, it was DG, Chimamanda. You talk about some celebrities, some entertainers there. You also mentioned Mimam who at the time of the WTO, you ensured that over 200 persons were not killed by a mob, he came in mosques and churches. But then again there is also the other side of the equation where a couple of our well known politicians who many would argue haven't really distinguished themselves in the real sense of all this. So I would say to mix that some well deserving, some you look at it and say what exactly has this person gone to be on the list? But hey there are certain criteria that the government even look at and you could argue also from another side of the equation that maybe some of these guys left just one area. Now with what she said now, looking at the argument that is on the ground, actually they have actually been arguments because some say, you know, some are speculating that these actual award given is politically unmotivated, you know, like some are saying that these people are actually given these awards and they don't really deserve it because they say that out of 90% of them don't really deserve this because what have we actually seen, what have we actually done looking at the country today? Now what can you say to these actual aspects, do you say that they really actually deserve this or they actually don't deserve this? So like I did say earlier, there are certain criteria, you know, that the government put out as part of what was used before selecting to do it like that. One of them includes that the person or the recipient has to be consistent with meaningful participation in either the person from the ministry or for national development or that the person must have rendered on for the secret selfless and philanthropic services to humanity. But what about the politicians that you mentioned? I think there's a criteria you could argue, you know, that speaks to them. One of them is servicing integrity, you know. So maybe for the governors or the former ministers or some of the other career politicians, they probably serve integrity. The internet president, he could argue in the national assembly, he says 1999, love him or hate him. He has actually contributed immensely to the development of Nigeria's democracy first after he also got sent back, you know, and now as a senator, the most important he has been a president. Again, love him or hate him. He could also argue that this president's national assembly or the president's Senate, you know, under the leadership, while some, you know, have argued that their Robert Stam's Senate may be rightly so, you could also argue that there are quite a number of bills that, you know, they have passed that would help the common man on the street. So from that angle, you could argue that he served with integrity. I'm sure if there's anyone who has anything to the contrary, you possibly come out to say, oh, no, this is president has done this, you know, or he has done that. And so he's not, he's not served with integrity. I'm using him as a case for, you know, for some of the other politicians on that who you could probably look at some of the service in the nation and say, well, these persons are served with integrity. So from that angle, you know, yes, in the United States of the United States, as you mentioned, and there are two schools. You know, the number of persons that you look at their years of service are either governor or minister, and there's probably nothing to write them about. I think one of the things in my head is that it's a bit ironic that at a time when the country is going through still about in the last strike exactly locked down for eight months, yes, that the minister of education is the quality part. Gov. and award. Okay. Now, I'm going to I'm going to I'm going over to to end job. What can you say about this? You've heard that what Mr. O'Farmouth said now onto what can you say about this looking at the awards? The award to be given to this 447 persons who truly deserve this. Now, you mentioned the likes of the education minister when we have where we still have the house strikes the ongoing and the state battling over eight months. Now, what can you say? Do they truly actually deserve this? Yeah, I am fortunate to be here. I didn't I didn't get to you. Hello. Hello, how are you having? Yes, I said, I'm fortunate to be here. If I hear you like, you are talking about Yes, the awards being given to them before and for the seven persons. Well, anyway, let me just say what the minister of education is saying. The minister of education is meant for people who have consistency and need to be consistent at the level of the country, either in the community or the national commission. Yes, the mother has done very well in the community. In fact, you know, in the area of except let's say the services of land traffic services, the mother has done all those things. They don't have a part of it. They must have contributed. If you want to look at it, you may want to say some of them are not called because of the weight inside the country. If you want to also look at it, you want to say You see, we are in a country where people are not willing to stop. So when you see people, people see the top out, you say, I want to stop. And I have to say to them, whether they are doing it in a very well or not, because a lot of these people are doing it as a whatever. So I will not say because it means that whatever it is that we have to do, as John selects me to deserve all of our seats today because what they have done have not taken the country to a level that we have set, so not even a average level. So for example from time, those categories of cities do not need qualifiers to be given that order because they won't have seats today that most of them are due to because of their political interest. And you can see also, if you look at the list, there are some people who want to Hello. What they have done to be encouraged to order for because like for example, there's one man who is going to go and get the kind of the crime with the security officer at the park and the first one from God, the 10,000 and then he was also given, he was given the lowest credit of that award. The man who we are convincing some other I will not have been given the award. As the time they are serving, they are being paid, they are being remitted. If the person can drive it's advocacy. What the achieve means is not advocacy, the person can't drive. So I expect you to have the field of detachment in your area of ministry that you have a lot of tendons in that ministry. You have done it a lot in for the police. And we can say that. And this is what I do. Anybody know that she did well in the at LAPDAC in the East, I know that as well. Okay. Okay. Or on the final notes, who are being given, who are you missing, go to about somewhere. You have not seen what's been done in the area to the graduate. I didn't give him the color of the political after she's been put in place. In fact, even in the traditions that I would know before, that the people that are always sitting in that order, he was not given. But just because he's not in a good position with the current government. So it shows that there are a lot of biased people. You know, I mean, some of them, some of them say they are worse. But there are hundreds of those people, all the political people, who are being given in that order. Because I'm not saying what is wrong. The majority of them, I'm not saying all of them. The majority of them, to deserve what they are being given. For example, the nature of the situation. For example, the nature of the air. A lot of crises in that industry that we get, I don't understand how it wants to be clear. We need to give them the say it. All right. Thank you very much. Due to our time, we won't be able to take more questions. But really, at least with the leads we've heard, we're still both sides. Some are actually deserved, while some don't actually deserve. We've mentioned giving examples of those that actually deserve that, and those that don't actually deserve it. Thank you very much for joining us on the programme, Mr Tungi Abdul Amid and our legal practitioner. And also, we have a former Obama journalist. Thank you very much. And that's it on our plus politics tonight. But before I go, I'd like to give my take. Any of you who might take this truth that all parents struggle with, no matter how much you wish to prepare your child to stand on ease or our own, the prevailing notion of wisdom coming with age always attempts one to interfere and guide the child onto the right path. The same can be said of the military godfathers who deem themselves the old man seen further than the child at the top of the palm tree could possibly see. Now, even at the risk of their actions being nothing more than expressions of their own personal interest to the detriment of their greater national will, these are, for my general's often mastermind, a game of chairs meant to keep the true seat of power where it has always been. Now, the arms of government may be the tree and the press may serve as the fourth estate, while the military is the pillar upon which our political power truly rests in Nigeria. In the art of art, as has been addued in them through decades and the armed forces, patriotism is their great motivator. However, trying to maintain the status quo for the sake of one group or region of people to always stay at its top can only guarantee stagnation and ultimately a breakdown of the system. The second truth that all parents know but will never tell their child is that in order for he or she to find their own path and to walk it, they must break free of the designs of this who have always guided them. Now, on the other side of that is the true meaning of independence. I'm Emmanuel O'Lububokun. Do have a good evening.