 Welcome to Longmont Voices and Vision, a project of Longmont public media. In the midst of the darkest period in our lives, when we're bombarded 24 hours a day with news of the coronavirus and the human and economic carnage it's causing in our society. We're challenged to cope with our fears and anxieties, while remaining hopeful about what lies on the other side of this crisis. This project presents an opportunity for Longmont residents to share with others how they're adjusting to new realities of social distancing and the kind of future they hope to experience on the other side of the crisis. I'm Tim Waters, host of these conversations in a Longmont public media volunteer. In this series, I'll be asking Longmont residents, many of them your friends and neighbors, three questions. What are you doing to get through this crisis? Even though we cannot be together right now, how are we staying connected to friends and families? And what's the future you are hoping to see and experience on the other side of this crisis? I hope you'll stay with this series and enjoy listening to your friends and neighbors and learn from them how they're getting through and what they're looking forward to in a new reality on the other side. Don Wood, thank you for your willingness to contribute to the Longmont voices and vision project. Each of these interviews have begun by giving listeners or viewers a chance to learn something about the interviewee. So tell us about Don Wood, who you are and what you've done for decades in this community. Well, thank you Tim Waters. It's a beautiful spring day in Longmont, Colorado. Wouldn't rather be anywhere else. Don Wood, born in Boulder, Colorado in 1955, moved all the way from Boulder, Colorado to Broomfield, and at the rich age of three moved from Broomfield to Longmont. Been in Longmont ever since, other than a few years in San Jose, California after he graduated from the University of Colorado. Married to Karen Kanemoto, best thing I ever did in my life. I'm going to remain that and progress my life. And Karen and I have two wonderful kids, Julie and Eric, who graduated from Skyline High School here in Longmont. And we have three grandkids in ages six, four and three. Two of them, two boys in California and one lovely little girl right here in Longmont. What questions you have for us, Tim? Just talk a little bit about, among your contributions to the community, have been over generations, kind of the go-to organization or service for travel. And I know that you're in a transitional period, but I think people would enjoy knowing that connection as well. Our probably our largest tie to Longmont is my wife Karen and I and our son Eric have been running goal key travel for Longmont. Karen and I have been in it for 40 years, Eric for 11 years. My mother Mitzi Wood started goal key travel in 1966 in the lobby of Longmont National Bank. And we moved from the bank in 1984 to a nice little house of 328 Kauffman Street, which we've enjoyed for the last 35 years. And quite a transition. It's, you know, this, this time of, of downturn in our economy and our timing is unusual. In February of this year, our son Eric came to us and said 11 years has been long enough. I'm ready to start a new path. Perfect timing. This has been the best year goal key travel has ever had. Everything was lined up. The stars were aligned. And this darn COVID-19 came to town. Travel was hit as hard as probably any other industry. I know many industries have been hit and worldwide everybody's feeling the effects of this. You just, I just can't imagine somebody not feeling the effects of this virus. The travel, especially at hard when you think that air travels down 97%. That's a pretty big number. And so that's that set goal key back for the year. The travel business, you, you do your business about two years ahead. You sell everything and then finally the people travel and that's when we get paid. Well, the last two years worth of work, we're not going to get paid because our employees have been with us. We have a family, a goal key team that's been with us 30 plus years. It really is a family 15 people working for gold key travel and 10 of those people also were close to retirement and when they heard that we were going to be leaving, they were deciding they leave as well. So it's quite a quite a change for long month because it's certainly the largest agency at one time there were 10 agencies in long month and now there's there's gold key travel and then a couple other smaller agencies but decided to keep our staff. I know many people in long want to appreciate what gold key has has represented into to them into their families. So I have three questions. You know, the first one is in this time of that's extraordinary that none of us have ever experienced in all of the unknowns that go along with this and a lot of fear that goes along with what's happened to the world. How are you getting through this period of time. Our family has had the luxury of being raised by Tom and Mitzi would and beat into us. You save for a rainy day. And we can't thank them enough and I'm sure their parents did the same thing for them coming through the depression and knowing that things can happen you just don't know. So you you prepare for that and you live within your means and it's not raining it is pouring out there and it's a it's a good time to have been saving for so we're not going to be as affected as as other people are and I really do empathize for everyone out there because everybody has a different story and these are really difficult times. This is my new favorite word unprecedented. Yeah, you're here every day. Optimists and I know we'll get through it, but there will be people that feel the pain and some some will not survive. And that's very sad and and lives will be changed forever by this, but we will come out of it. Historians will talk about this 2020 year of 2020 for a long time. I hope it's only 2020 I don't want them to be talking about 2021 2022. But right now we're and it's an unknown and that's part of the problem the unknown people do not like the unknown. And but that's where we are right now and so if any kids are out there. Save save save. One of the things that that we do know right now is that we're living in a time of physical separation and social distancing that we've never experienced along with the other things that we're experiencing. So in this time when you can't be together with your family and your friends, how you stay connected with your family and your friends, only because this is not going to be viewed by anybody for another 30 years. Right, Tim? No, people are going to do this next week or the week after. Darn. Well, I'll admit we've been cheating a little bit. And we have a large family and the family works in the business and the office lends itself to the ability where we can go into the office and stay socially distant from each other. And so we have been able to go into the office. And so there is some interaction that maybe other people aren't afforded. So as much as we would love to, you know, shake hands and hug and see our friends, like we would like to see them, we see them on Zoom and that you need the physical interaction and face to face. So we look forward to getting back to that. John, the third question for you and for others in this project is based on the presumption that whatever was normal, whatever life was, our normal routines, life's going to be different on the other side of this. We just don't know how. So the question is, assuming life is going to be different, what's your preferred future? What would you like to see and help create on the other side of the pandemic? So as far as things that are going to be different, and here's the positive sign, I think people have been placed in their homes with their families with more time than they've ever had before. And I hope they're cherishing that time and maybe we come out of this with families being stronger because they now see that there's so much worthwhile interaction within the family. I'm really hoping that families are a stronger unit. Our lives are so busy and we have so many, so much stimulation out there with, you know, the screen time and everything else that's out there. I'm hoping that families are back to playing games and with each other and really connecting. So that would be the positive side. I think the, it's going to be a negative side and difficult for us is how we're going to pay for this. How is our government going to stay? Well, there's never been on budget, but we really need to make sure our dollars are spent wisely by our government and by ourselves. And so I'm hoping that we can figure that out. I know people will now know, like I said earlier, the importance of savings. I hope our government can learn that as well, though it's going to be, I don't know how it's going to be a very expensive time coming through these next few years. Lots to anticipate and lots to learn from this experience. Don Wood, thank you again for your contribution to this project and a decades of contribution to the community from the Wood family. Tim Waters, thank you and thank you for your contribution. I'm just a bit player and I listen, stay safe, take care of yourself and in all your family members, both professional and personal. You do the same. Thank you. Nadine Lester. Thank you so much for your willingness to contribute to this project by lending your voice and vision to the long month voices and vision project. To begin this interview, it would be helpful for all of us to learn a little bit about who you are. So tell us about Nadine Lester. Nadine Lester, I live in Southmore Park, lived in Longmont for about 40 years. I'm a retired teacher. I taught in Longmont Public Schools for about 12 years. I worked in adult education for the school district and at front range for about 14 years. But now I'm at home. Love the Longmont community raised our children here. My husband works for IBM. He's not retired. We raise our children here. Both of them graduated from Iowa High School. I feel very connected to this community. I appreciated living here. You know, all this time. That's me and I, and I, I really enjoy the way Longmont is organized and the way our government works here. And I, I'm happy to make a contribution. You are making one today and we appreciate it. So, you know, I'm going to ask you three questions. And the first question is that in this period of time, if we go back and look historically, there have been times where humanity has been distanced and isolated from one another, but not in our lifetimes, not like this. So in a time where we're physically separated and socially distanced, how are you getting through this period of time with all of the unknowns and uncertainties and concerns associated with it? Well, that is an interesting question. And I, I enjoyed kind of reflecting on that. I had to ask myself, how am I getting through this? And, you know, in all honesty, I really had to pray about it. I don't like idleness. I don't like feeling a lack of purpose. I don't like feeling disconnected. So, you know, this quarantine is all about serving others precisely by being isolated. And, you know, that was challenging for me. So I started by tapping into all the productive things, or things that I consider productive that I do on my own. So things like my hobbies and clubs and association. Anything where I could see some results from my efforts, no matter how small. And then what I did was, I came up with a daily to-do list that I share with my sister who lives in Omaha. This was really the answer prayer for me. We go on record with each other about all the things we're going to accomplish during the day. And then we tell each other what we actually did accomplish. And I really like paying attention to the things I do where I can see results from my efforts. And we always start our list with something that we've already done, because it's so important. The first item might be write a to-do list check, you know. So today's list says things like coffee, prayer, study Italian, get some exercise, dress for success, zoom interview, that's on there. And some days are busier than others, but I say that my list and sharing with my sister Christine, that's the number one thing that's getting me through this. Nadine, I've tried to make very few editorial comments as we go through these interviews because it's really about the interview. But I will, based on what you just said, is a Stephen Covey and his seven habits of successful people, that one of them is starting with the end in mind. And it sounds like that's exactly how you're approaching this period. So, in addition to figuring out how to get through this as an individual, in a time when we can't be together physically, we're all trying to figure out how to stay connected with family and friends. So how is that working for you? How are you staying connected with family and friends? Okay, well I'm just going to say thank you next light. Yeah. I'm not on Facebook or Twitter, but I have been using technology and YouTube has been great. I subscribe to the city of Longmont YouTube channel, which I don't know if I would have gotten around to that without, you know, I usually watch on TV or show up at council meetings myself. So that's been great. I actually feel better connected with some of the things going on in the city. And then, you know, I've been doing phone calls and emails and texts, FaceTime and Zoom, but you know what, one good way in a state connected, I think, has been the postal service. Because I had time to think about Easter, I said gifts to family members, and I made cards and sent them to people and they have really enjoyed that. You know, my cousins, little kids were so thrilled to get Easter gifts and I don't know that I would have been able to connect with them in that way, unless it was under these circumstances, it's really been a silver lining, good old postage. And stuff like that, that Thunderbird flyover on Saturday. That was just great. All the neighbors came out in their yards. And we didn't, we didn't see it here, it was too cloudy, but we had a great time looking for it. And then we've been doing random stuff like that in our front yards and watching the kids on their bikes or doing cartwheels and stuff has just, it's just been a joy. And I have wonderful neighbors and this has just made that even stronger. Well, there's some themes that we're hearing these interviews that are real consistent with your experience. And a lot of us stood out looking for those, for those jets on Saturday. We didn't see if we went out and look for them as well. And finally gave up and we heard them go overhead about the time we came inside. You know, my third question for you is this with a based on a presumption that whatever normal was on the front side of this pandemic, there's going to be a new normal on the other side of it. Life won't be just like it was before the pandemic. That's the presumption. So, given that, my question for you is what's your preferred future? What would you like to see? And what are you willing to help create or would like to create as the new normal? I feel so powerful. Well, you know, I thought about this and I asked my daughters and my neighbors to and and something came to mind for me. Remember a year ago, it was on April 15, 2019 that Notre Dame in Paris was in flames. And it was a terrible disaster and it was absolutely appalling and heartbreaking that this was even happening. The fire got put out and people pulled together, people have raised money and that church is being rebuilt, restored and improved. I was thinking in some ways it's going to be unchanged from the building the world has known and love for centuries and in some ways it's going to be better because of advances in construction capabilities. And those improvements probably would have taken a lot longer without the disaster. And I think this pan virus is a disaster, which is an action of undoing by the stars, you know, it's not something we asked for it's not some it's something that happened to us. I'm really seeing the coronavirus epidemic in that same way. It's a disaster. We've been forced to stop our usual routines. We've had some demands put on us that some would say are burning down our economy, our normal way of life, our expectations about the pursuit of happiness as our modern culture has to find it. As a result of this fire, I say some good thing, and I firmly believe that most of the time people can't see the goodness in individual actions, though it's something we all long for. I'm so hopeful that the world will remember that personal actions add up and that they are in fact more important than anything else. Will we go back to criticizing and complaining? Will we prefer to see the bad in things that we don't have any control over? Will we see that something is going on that isn't politics or economics and there have been some results that are. The virus hasn't spread as fast as it could have. Dolphins came back to the canals of Venice. For the first time in 18 years, the month of March saw no school shootings in the United States. A bald eagle flew over my neighborhood yesterday morning and it was quiet enough to hear mallards in the creek behind my house because there was no traffic. It will be harder to argue that humans can't hold off on some of their frantic activity because we're doing it. It will be harder to say that our individual actions don't add up to something. So in the future, I am so hopeful that we will have a better conversation about the power of collective action. And I'm hoping this event will help us lift up our hearts. Nadine, let's do that. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to think about this beforehand. And thank you for your contributions to this project. My pleasure. Stay, take care of yourself, stay safe. And our pasable cross when we are able to be out and about again and remembering the lessons that you've just suggested we need to take with us. Thanks. You're welcome. Bye-bye. Seth Miller. Thank you so much for lending your voice and your vision to this line of voices and vision project. As you know, we're starting these interviews by learning something about the people being interviewed. So tell us about Seth Miller. So I am, I work from home and I've worked from home for the last decade, decade plus as an independent consultant in science and technology sort of innovation management. So I help companies figure out how they're going to build their next products and how they're going to invest their money for their future. And it's been, it's been a lot of fun. I have a background as a PhD scientist, but I haven't done lab work in over a decade. Well, that's, that's great preparation obviously for what you're doing and way over prepared for this interview, I think. So I have three questions for you as you know. The first of those questions is in this time of probably not, I was reminded by someone in one of these interviews. We're not in an in an unprecedented moment in all of human history, certainly unprecedented time in our lifetimes. So given that in the distancing associated with it, how are you getting yourself through this unprecedented period? You know, for me personally, it's been interesting because for me, a lot of this is welcome to my world. I've been working out of my house since 2008. You know, I got let go by a company in November of 2008. And, and it was not the best time to be unemployed. And yeah, I had a few months of savings, right, but I didn't have enough. I had, by the time I was really quite lucky in able to get my first gig in the middle of 2009 where I actually my income started to exceed my expenses by by June 2009, which is incredibly fast, especially for that era. But you know, I had less than a month of savings in the bank at that point. This, this is hard. So, you know, for me, strangely, this has been less, because I went through that 12 years ago, this has been less traumatic for me, I'm used to this idea that I'm working from home, my pace of work hasn't changed. My daughter who was in college has had to come home and that's been a change. And as her dad, I will selfishly say that it's been wonderful to have her back. She would rather not be here, but it has been spectacular to have her presence. And, you know, I honestly, I'm trying to focus on welcoming the opportunities that this creates this there's there's a lot of disruption in everything and I've absolutely lost clients and there are people who are not going to be able to pay me that for work that I've done because their companies are in tatters right now or that at least maybe it won't be it won't be for months now. And that's, and that's hard for everybody and I respect that. But, you know, I'm just trying to focus on recognizing that all of this is going to wash over us. And there are some good things that are going to happen. And I get an extra few months with my daughter is is at the top of my list. Some of those good things that could happen are a part of my third question but the second question is, you're a you're a pro at staying connected or working with people virtually. So how are you staying connected with friends and family during this time of isolation. Yeah, so I did on Thursday so today is a Saturday that we're doing this interview and on Thursday I did a happy hour with some friends from college which was really neat because I you know, we don't accept on Facebook, you know, we'll comment on each other's posts, but I haven't seen many of these people in decades, or at least since you know since a college reunion and five however many years ago. So it's really kind of wonderful to be able to just stand there and I will I chopped dinner for family while everybody else was talking. And it's kind of cool and I'm going to do the same thing next weekend with another set of friends who I haven't gotten together like that with. And you know we have such a big country. We have all of these friends, all of us have friends who have moved away, or we've moved away from them. And so this is really kind of neat being forced to think about how to connect with them, having the technology and having everybody have familiarity with it. I don't think these habits are going to change. I think I'm going to keep doing this because I really, really like it. So that's a nice segue to my third question. In the presumption that underlies the question is that whatever was normal for all of us before we got into this period of social distancing. And in the drama and the some of the trauma that goes along with the economic and financial implications. Looking on the backside of this life, whatever the new normal is going to become is going to be different than it was before. So the third question is what do you want to see in the new normal. What's your preferred future. And I'll attach to that preferred future that you'd like to help create. So, I don't know yet. Um, and that's something that I'm trying to save some time to think about, because when you're forced to change like this, you know, all of us at all, I'm going to give you a very simple answer, all of us, except for you, Tim, are considered whether or not we have the right now. Um, you know, we, you're being forced to grow your hair. So whether or not that is, that's a good thing or a bad thing, but you are actually forced to answer these questions that you hadn't, you can just ignore you can just go every month to the same person to get the same haircut and it doesn't matter whether or not that's optimal. And we can, we have this opportunity to take that to a lot of different aspects of our lives. Right. Are we spending enough time and are we, you know, now that we're forced to hang out in different ways with our family. Are we doing it right. I mean, is there a way we should be doing it better. Right. Should I really be spending so much time looking at Twitter, probably not. Right. Not while not while I have children that I really should be paying attention to having just graduated and then adopted back my my eldest. I recognize that I only propo hopefully I'm going to do this once and damn it I should be paying attention to her at dinner. So, so that's one part of it all of our human relationships we have a chance to sort of sit back and we're being forced to reevaluate them and remind ourselves what is giving us the most pleasure. So this is a great opportunity. In terms of the world, you know, I think that we can say some of that push forward, you know, out into the world, you know, how are we investing our time how are we investing our money in order to be able to to maximize what we most get out of this. So, you know, I on a personal like mission, like I'm very much interested in renewable energy. And then, and I see there's a global climate crisis which feels a little bit like the coronavirus just spread out in time. The disaster it's happening on the course of years rather than the course of weeks. Um, but we can learn, we can take what we're learning from this and ask ourselves what habits did we're just habits. And, you know, which things were important, some of these things that we think that we need to change are going to be very difficult to change for global warming just like we're trying for coronavirus. Some of the things we're going to find out are like a new haircut. It's like, Oh, I didn't realize I could just fall into this new thing. I want to be able to find those opportunities. This is a great excuse to search. And hopefully we'll be able to all of us, enough of us will have the mental space right now to be able to find a few of those things. We don't have to find all of them. But if we can all just find a few things about our lives in our world that we can make better and more sustainable, then that will be something positive we can take out of this. Well, that sounds like a pretty aspirational view of where we are and where we're headed. And I very much appreciate your sharing those aspirations, your voice and your vision with this project. Take care of yourself, stay safe and take care of your family. Tim, thank you for inviting me. Sherri Malloy. Thank you so much for lending your voice and your vision to this Longmont voices and vision project. Tell us a little bit about who you are. So whoever watches these, these interviews will know who they're hearing from. Well, as you said, my name is Sherri Malloy. I'm originally from Chicago. I've lived in Colorado since 1984 in Longmont since 1986. So a good long while now. I'm a retired special education teacher, public education taught here in St. Frank. And Kara swings before that in Chicago before that so total of 35 years I retired about five years ago. And I have two grown children, Brian who is 30 and his sister Colleen who just turned 29. I have 11, Brian's in Lafayette, Colleen's in Durango, and I have a wonderful husband JD Glites who I married two years ago after a very long time being single after being divorced with my kids were very young. And yeah, just happy to have this opportunity in this most unusual time. Yeah, so building on that this most unusual time. I was reminded one of these interviews that there probably were periods in human history when there was this kind of isolation, but not any of our in any of our lifetime so in a time that we've never experienced of physical separation and social isolation. With all of the drama and the fear goes along with that how are you getting yourself through this period. You know, I'm pretty well very well I would say I have. It's just the mixed bag it's the mixed bag of what life is on steroids, super, you know, intensified in terms of fear and uncertainty and, you know, health concerns and economic concerns and future concerns you know just all of that. And at the same time, I'm really sort of enjoying the slower pace and the time to reflect and the time to just be. And so I'm personally doing, you know, pretty well I did write down my three questions. But yeah, it's it's it's just you know that mixed bag that life is you know it's really sweet and terribly scary and we are you know, are incredibly fortunate. We have a home, we have electricity we have power, you know, heat we have food where we're very well provided for and so to know that and to be aware of you know people in refugee camps in Syria and you know in our own community who are really struggling you know with the loss of jobs with health separation from families loneliness. You know, addiction homelessness. You know, domestic violence I mean there's a lot of suffering and so holding both of those things has been personally challenging to you know sort of know that and yet my life is great I'm looking outside we've got chickadees making a little nest I mean it's you know it's it's it's all really surreal. But we are terms of self care you know taking the guidelines very seriously very much aware that are what we do impacts others and what they're doing impacts us and so sort of you know really taking that very very seriously and and then you know really enjoying the time with JD he's a United pilot and so there hasn't an international pilot so there has not been any flying he took a voluntary leave for the month of April with reduced pay and he does have a couple trips. Scheduled in May, but that's not looking like that's even going to happen and so so we really enjoying the time together. We are Buddhists so we are doing. We have a daily practice of meditation so we're doing that we're doing reading and we're reflecting and we're studying some Dharma that's the Buddhist teachings and you know really enjoying that we're started a gratitude journal. And yeah you know so you know on that front. It's kind of kind of really sweet I did hear this report on NPR recently about what to do in times of trauma you know in terms of self care and and it was for m's so the first one was my mindfulness meditation or prayer you know some sort of stillness. Second one was movement so especially outside so we have an old dog who still likes long walks so you know getting movement every day. The third one was mastery finding projects and little things I'm working on this big wall hanging, you know, like to get going on some closets and things like that but I haven't really found that motivation yet but you know kind of doing that you feel a sense of accomplishment, not huge, you know, could be baked in bread. And then the last one was was the last one. Mindfulness, mindfulness movement mastery and, and, oh meaningful connection. So this, you know case staying in touch with people which has no end next question as well as to the greater community, you know, giving money where we can I've done some volunteering at hope with their showering. And some errands and you know kind of, I don't so so I can't do masks but you know, participating in the daily howling, I'm loving that you know my long set for a 757 and get out and howl. So that you know just kind of, yeah so those are the things and then I added a fifth one and M, because we're also listening to you know James Taylor and Carly Simon and music sorry that last one was music so. And that's kind of the things. You know, in terms of resource cooking, helping our local restaurants with getting take out you know trying to at least once a week. And, yeah, just really mostly enjoying the time to read and reflect and reset. Great, we watch Netflix and we're really into and with an either story of and being gables and so we have tea every night and watch a episode of that. Big question is to popcorn tonight. And of course doing the zoom, you know, and all of those kinds of things so. So, you know, so far our health is good and we're doing okay kids are good. So your reference to zoom kind of sets up the second question is a nice segue. And that is in this time where we can't be together. How do you stay connected so how you stay connected to family and friends. Yeah, so JD's mother is an independent living situation at Balfour in Louisville. And so they are for a while for a couple months haven't allowed people in or out. But they are so calling her every day, you know, if she's safe there and the skill nursing they've had a couple of cases but it's a separate facility. And so we call her every day and she's been trying to zoom but hasn't worked so I signed up to be a host now so we're going to do our practice zoom where we can walk her through it tomorrow so. She's very sharp very, very sharp much sharper than me, and you know she's doing well so we call her talk to the kids, you know, more regularly I mean that's one of the nice things that you're actually, or I'm actually having some more contact with people that, you know, not been in much contact with. Of course, texting my kids more texting than emails maybe, or I mean, phone calls, but. I do the zoom for some exercise I do my yoga now with the zoom and Nia, which is another exercise program I love and we have in two medication meditation groups so we're doing that on zoom we're listening to some Dharma talks by some teachers on zoom. Some community meetings kind of thing that are happening on zoom like Tuesday there's a meeting for. I think it's Tuesday the 21st for with my dirty around people who are homeless. So, you know, really kind of take an advantage full advantage of that, and then staying connect with friends. So that's, yeah, just, you know, using all the technology and at the same time sort of limiting, trying to limit that a little bit. Oh, and that was another thing for self care kind of limiting news morning. Maybe PBS news hour at night we had some Dharma talks going on there but that's going to three times a week next week so that we can get back into the channel six. PBS news hour and that's it limiting news is I think, kind of especially helpful for mental emotional and spiritual health. So, that's the question. Well, given these conditions right in the stay at home order and you know all that we're dealing with with this pandemic. The last question, the underlying assumption is or pre assumption is that whatever life is like on the backside or when we come out from underneath the state of order, and the pandemic center control, whatever life is like, it's going to be different life. When we turn to what it was before. So the last question is, what would you like that life to be, what's your preferred future, and what's the future you'd like to help create. You know, and that's of course the most important question and the one I've been reflecting on a lot, because you're right, you know it's going to be life before COVID and after COVID I mean it's a defining moment individually, collectively, and on time and I think it's continuing to evolve. But it's, it's, it's a huge opportunity and I was, I've really become so much more aware of how interdependent we are, you know, everything the lights are on, somebody's doing that you know the food I eat, my dog food, you know furniture. I haven't built any of it you know all of it has been done or set in place by others, and then he's even brought to us by truckers and you know people out in the fields harvesting which of course we all know that but you know just the, the, the giantness of how interdependent and interconnected we are and how our planet is just one giant terrarium if you will and so you know they had a they had an astronaut a woman astronaut on the other day on the radio and she was saying I look at the earth and she's been up in space for seven months and she was actually coming home Saturday and you know she said I look in the earth looks exactly the same it's still this beautiful stunning, you know, planet, and yet she knows that everything has changed and so yeah I think I think you know how what we do with this is, is the challenge, you know, and I've had chat personal challenges as we all have in our life losses and and our own traumas and early on and I think it's true now to I sort of realized you know there's we really come down to a choice are we going to be which path are we going to take are we going to become bitter are we going to harden our hearts to you know fear and you know and and us and them or scarcity or you know I mean it's it's a path to and bitter is just about self protection or are we going to soften and become better and so it's my sincere hope of course that we that we become better and softer and more tolerant and kind and recognizing that interdependence that we all do better when we all do better and you know and just kind of seeing things in a whole new light because to not do so is to our own peril you know in terms yeah so so that's I don't know you know what that will look like but I very much want to support you know an effort to to make us better not better. I mean we can see both kind of starting to play out already you know kind of people feeling tired of this and you know questioning and demonstrating and you know and just and really pushing back and you can see that it's all coming from a fearful place so I don't know if you know if you've heard this beautiful poem by Katie O'Meara but it really tells says speaks for me of you know your final question so I just don't know that I've heard it but I think we should all hear it. Okay so it's by Katie O'Meara who I believe is Canadian and she wrote a poem called and the people stayed home and the people stayed home and read books and listened and rested and exercise and made art and played games and learned new ways of being and were still and listened more deeply some meditated some prayed some danced some met their shadows and the people began to think differently and the people healed and in the absence of people living in ignorant dangerous mindless and heartless ways the earth began to heal and when the danger passed and the people joined together again they grieved their losses and made new choices and dreamed new images and created new ways to live and heal the earth fully as they had been healed. So, that's my hope. Sharon Malloy. First of all thanks for all your contributions to the community. And especially thanks for your contribution to this project. Thank you. Let your voice and vision to this project. Take care of yourself, JD and all your extended family members. You do the same. Thank you, Tim.