 How are you? I'm okay. How are you? Pretty good. I just listened to your friend and brother in the faith, Ms. Governor of South Dakota, is now teeing off on your Vietnamese punishing. And I thought you needed a little defense on the floor of the Senate from your friend on the other side. Yeah. Good. So I wondered whether after your session with IQ had anything that I needed at all before I did it. No. He was in hardy agreement with what we were doing and what our policy is out there. He founded it. I didn't tell the press and I don't want to tell them. We talked about the whole 10 to 15 matters. He was very happy and very good frame of mind. But he says that you just can't publish everything that you know. The worst problem we have is not the ambushes, is not the raids, is not the accidents that occur to our own people. Really the worst problem we have is the speeches that are made about negotiation and about pulling out. They use those. The communists take them and put them up in pamphlets and circulate them in newspapers. And they keep all the government fearful. And we have nine changes of government because all of them are afraid we are going to pull out and afraid we are going to negotiate. Now President Eisenhower said this morning that you don't negotiate. Let me get his exact language. I took it down, I think. He said, you don't negotiate until the other side must want to negotiate. That's first. And second, when you're dealing with these people, you must have a self-enforcing treaty that they do not keep their word. So whatever you agree on is of no value because we agreed in 54. And he approved the agreement. He told them he wouldn't join it or sign it. But he agreed with them. But they never did keep it. He had to write Jim a letter and say, I'll give you aid and I'll give you military aid and economic aid and advisory and everything else. He says that we've got to make clear our purpose and that everybody should know that. And that anybody that's got any doubt and wants any further information, that's just newspaper men trying to get you to limit yourself. He says that our purpose is to preserve Southeast Asia. That we know from Munich on that when you give the dictators' feed on raw meat and if they take South Vietnam, they take Thailand, they take Indonesia, they take Burma, they come right on back to the Philippines. He says that he thinks that we ought to, quote, shoot Rooney, unquote. Don't repeat that now. This is confidential. But he thinks that one of the big problems we have is we ought to be spending half a billion dollars on information. That we do not do that anywhere. And that the Russians spend that much in one country. That the communists take our speeches and they quote what Mansfield says or what Church says or what De Gaulle says or what McGovern says and they think that's the government of the United States. He says that he had three methods. One is the voice of America. He would never allow anything to go over except the truth. And that would be our purpose is to preserve Southeast Asia and to stay there and do it. He would not tell them how we're going to do it because he says he wouldn't tell them why he's coming into Normandy. He said he had a very simple instruction from the chief of staff, Marshall. He said, proceed to the European theater, destroy the enemy. And I said that's all he had. He said he had no other instructions or no direction from Washington. I said you got the best man that you got out there and the general good pastor just came back and had briefed him up in New York and stayed with him last night and came down with him this morning. But he said our information service ought to be Voice of America. Then we ought to use free Europe stuff a lot. Then we ought to have a lot of clandestine stuff. So we don't have much clandestine. He said that we must realize that centralization is the refuge of fear and we must not centralize things. We must quit fussing about Taylor and Westmoreland and all these speeches. That Taylor is a great distinguished chairman, joint chiefs, and Westmoreland is the best with God and that when we talk about we've got to do everything here in the Senate of the Congress, that centralization is the refuge of fear. We can't negotiate unless we're strong. He said negotiation means cooperation and you've got to be strong in order to cooperate. That he would beef up, do everything in the world that he could with the information service. He would do everything he could with the CIA to create better morale and if necessary to almost buy it with that government. He says you've got to make these people informed from the Vietnamese better. He's convinced that they must be informed. He said you must push South Vietnamese participation. You've got to put your own boys with them. You've got to put your own planes with them. But he said when they're going to raid, like they went on the other night, which he was very proud of, and good pastor had told him about it, they had 24 planes in it and they destroyed some buildings. He said each one of those men come back and they tell their families about what they did instead of what the Americans did. And that makes them want to fight. They have killed, and this is a record you may want to take. I don't know whether you could use it. I wouldn't get it coming in the president. But 16,000, we've killed 16,000 Vietnamese and we've lost about 7,500. We've killed 16,000 Viet Cong and we've lost about 7,500 Vietnamese this year. It's the last 12 months. 16,000 enemy have been killed and we have lost 7,500 Vietnamese and we've lost between 100 and 200 Americans. That's about what you lost in the airport in Clash, New York the other day. He says that he would continue doing what we're doing. He would make it clear that we're going to stay. That he thinks that I ought to just be guarded in my statements and not let some damn columnist needle you. Well, I told him I was making speech today at lunch to the businessman and he went over and had lunch with me, just he and good pastor. And I wrote out a little note and it said this, I should like to end this visit with you whether this is to the businessman or the word on the serious situation Vietnam which I know must be on the mind of each of you. As I have said so many, many times and other presidents ahead of me have said, our purpose, our objective there is clear. I said that's what you got to be positive about. That's what he did when he went to Europe. To destroy the German nation. That purpose and that objective is to join in the defense and the protection of freedom. Purpose is freedom of the brave people who are under attack. That is controlled and that is directed from outside their country. We have no ambition there for ourselves. We seek no dominion. We want no bases. We seek no conquest. We seek no wider war. So that he says, you've got to let the Russians and the Chai comms know that you're not wanting to fight them. You just want to protect these folks that they're in your south Vietnam. But we must all understand that we will persist in the defense of freedom and our continuing actions will be those which are justified and those that are made necessary by the continuing aggression of others. These actions, now here's where we're puzzing, but you know what it means. These actions will be measured. Not get too close to a dangerous thing. And fitting. Meaning adequate and sufficient and adequate. Then Eisenhower says, that's perfect statement. I was making it. He didn't sign it. I didn't ask him to. It's my speech, but he just said that's perfect. But I'd add one sentence. I said, what's that? This is the one he added. Our stamina and the stamina of the American people is equal to this task. Now, he said it may take a long time. He said it has taken a long time. The French were in there a long time. He said they had a long time in Europe. He said they'd been negotiating a year, I mean in Korea. He said they'd been negotiating a year and a half before he came in. He got into all of that. He was very talkative today. And very happy and looked real young and pleased. He liked what I said on the balance of payments. He liked the budget under a hundred billion. And he liked what Bob Anderson had told him. And he was in a good humor. But he said when he came in as president they'd been negotiating in Korea for a year and a half. But we had agreed there that we wouldn't cross a certain area. And we had agreed there that we would use only a small type of weapon. And he said that they knew that if we didn't go across a certain area and if we would only use a small type of weapon that we never could have any settlement because we tied in hands. So he said the first thing he did was call up Nehru because he knew Nehru was a leak. And he told Nehru that he was willing to have a settlement. But that if they didn't settle that he wasn't going to be bound by any Sankt, what do you call them? Sankt any off guard places. None of them would be off limits to him. He'd bomb anything. He wasn't going to be bound by any sacred territory. Sanctuary. That's right. He wasn't going to be bound by any sanctuary. Number one. And he was not going to be bound by any weapons. He said we made a hell of a lot of weapons. We had a lot of money on them. What the hell would we make them for? Don't ever use them if we have to. He said he'd ever intended to do anything except let that get back to him. And he said it did get back to him. And he said that then they came in wanting to negotiate with him. And he said right at the crucial time old man Ray turned loose 24,000 of their prisoners which he was going to trade them, which was very helpful. He went down there, busted up the thing, but said they were so anxious after they heard that he was going to go anywhere and do anything. And that no telling what this crazy general would do with these weapons he had because he knew Nehru had sent old Christian men in, right quick to report it. That they came in and signed up in Korea. Now he said you can't do that. He's just caught a quick talking about negotiating and about sitting down and talking. He says China doesn't belong to the United Nations. North Vietnam doesn't belong to the United Nations. And we've tried to get them to come in there and they won't do it. And the United Nations got no troops and nobody go out there and patrol it. And we have said a hundred times everywhere that if they'll just get out of the country well we'll get out and we'll leave it alone. But they won't do that. They want to spread the revolution and that's their theory. So he says don't get yourself bound by saying I will not use a bomber. He said you don't have to say what the go water says and I would burn up the country. So what we have done, our way of saying that we intend to have continuing actions is this. But we must all understand that we will persist in the defense of freedom. And our continuing actions will be measured and fitting and adequate. And that means we're not going to be fools. The women have some talk and gush. They have what we have there tonight. But we've got our people killed. Keep one in God. They made one in Laos 62. They're not keeping it. They made one out there 54. They're not keeping it. They're not keeping it. They're not keeping it. Why do you think it's dead? Why do you think it's dead? Why do you think it's dead?