 Hello and welcome to the drum history podcast. I'm your host Bart van der Zee and today I am honored to be joined by Mr William Leclerc of Ebonora Drums will welcome to the podcast. Thanks Bart. I'm very happy to be here today. It's a pleasure Yes, I have heard the name of Ebonora quite a bit in the past but more and more recently So I'm excited to get you on Because it's cool to see a a young ish brand growing in in the drum world So first off congrats for your success man. Your hard work is paying off. Thanks, man. It's absolutely. It's so much appreciate it Yes, it's a it's an honor to be here today to show the passion about the drums and give the the history of Ebonora Drums. It's yeah, I'm not Hold I started company at 21. So I'm 30 now. So it's a yeah, okay, yeah We're gonna we have beautiful experience on the drum building. Yes. So Yeah, very cool. That's yeah, I'm 33. So we're pretty close to the same age and it's It's it's very neat to see young people doing things and starting their own brand because it's it's daunting at first, but Before we start I want to give a quick mention to two people who have suggested you which is always a good sign when you're You're recommended twice by different people. So thank you to Brandon Green who you're in Canada I should mention that you're in Quebec or Quebec and and So is Brandon and he recommended you and actually the other guy Jay Kulkarni looking how to pronounce his name here Jay super nice guy emailed in and recommended you as well. So thank you to Brandon and Jay for suggesting you. I love I love when that happens. Thanks guys. Yeah, thanks. Yes. Absolutely. Um, so we'll Let's just hear it, man. So Ebonora drums Beautiful drums if people haven't seen them I recommend that they go to your website and follow along which I'll read off is ebonora percussion e b e n o r percussion com just in case you want to follow along but We'll take us back to the beginning man. How did this all start? Yeah. So ebonora drums. Yeah for sure Everything started at the passion. So I'm a drummer I I grew up on a farm from my parents and my parents had a business A little farm with horses and everything in a bnb experience. So I grew up there and the business thing came from there I learned a lot on the on the farm with from my parents the good and the bad things and at the age of 12 they decided to buy me a drum set so I literally it literally came a passion and I was playing the drums when I had the chance because there was always people had had the farm to to visit us and Be in the bnb. So I found some some place during the day to play the drums and um, my father is the uh, is a Really good manual skills man. So he he Taught me a lot of Beautiful skills and making a beautiful thing when I was young. So the passion of making some things or and the the passion of the music started at a young age and um I decided to go out in the mechanical engineering in Sherbrooke to study there. So Yes, I learned a lot making a lot of stuff metal process and everything so I can bring my drums with me in the my studies and I Continue to practice and play and with some people there. So What I during my studies? I decided to to focus more on drum building I did so much research on the on the website and youtube and everything to learn about drum building So the passion of building drums started there a lot uh with my good friends, Anthony and the Yeah, me and I he and and I were were always on uh looking at drums Where as gc true drums and looking how how people were making the drums and looks on the video on youtube and everything So we we we do we did some um a trip to uh To see our good friends precision precision drums So yeah, it was fun to to To make the passion about drum this thing grew there Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting that you're you're saying like uh sjc and truth and you look at these brands because that was very I mean we grew up around the same time of that was that like 2010s kind of like Explosion of those boutique brands Which I think Kind of paved the way for not to say I mean sjc is like one of the biggest drum builders in the world They're they make amazing stuff so to a lot of those boutique brands But it's almost like it paved the way for like there's now like a next tier of builders Who are more like you and like a and f and these brands that are a little bit more like Yeah, artisanal and raw and real as opposed to like crazy over the top Yeah, that that's the same. Yeah, that's that's the thing because making custom drums was more Like the sgc thing the truth custom drums and everything do to Take a good drum shell make the beautiful finish and put parts on it and Makes drums that you want to have a look a sound and make all custom and That's that that's a there's a lot of adapting the A couple years ago. So yeah my studies and after that Um Yeah, I decided to to to do a little Study in the business And after that I did some some research For a place here in kubek if there's not another place where I can Work in that Drum building thing. So I discovered that aya drums was was in kubek at that time They were mainly originally from vancouver like a lot of people know but in 2012 I think yeah, they were in kubek and I decided to to send my An email there to that I wanted what to work with them and I get a job and started to work with them But I will not do the whole story of aya drum because there's a lot to say But I worked there and I worked with I had the chance to work with Not not a lot of people know that but I work with aya a Ray aya Yeah I had the chance to work with them But I have so much respect for the owners and where they are at the moments Where the what I have studied there, but Yeah, and the thing is that with hebron drums. I wanted to make some something completely different from That kind of drums. So Yeah, after after that, I decided to start hebron or when I was 21 years old in 2014 September 2014 So in this this september It would be our 10th anniversary already. So it's a wow. Congratulations. That's huge. Thanks. 10 years man. That's awesome Yeah, so um So, uh, yeah, that's where The the company the name ebb and ore came to me because all that passion for drums that passion of Drum building and the business side Uh, I know the good and the bad about business and I always want to to make my own business And it was at that age that I decided to to start ebb and ore. So um, yeah Well, what does what does ebb and ore does that mean something in particular? Yeah that's a good question to To and a good thing to mention because there's a lot of people want to have to know that so I took uh, when I was doing the The brainstorming about the name I came with two words. So I took in french. We call uh woodworking Uh, ebb and is theory. So I took the first part of the word ebb and is theory the ebb and The other word is uh sonor. So I took the end of sonor And put it just two word together and it came with ebb and ore Okay, so you start the brand you're 21 years old, which I mean, yeah, and no nothing. That's pretty wild man That's you're very young to do that. No money No place to build drums. So I I grew the company step by step that that was the main Uh The the main thing with me it's always step by step so the first step was to sell my pdp drum set at that time and make and make some cash uh to uh to give a cash down to To um to borrow some money at the bank and buy some tools to uh to work with the wood so um, yeah, um I decided to to start the company Um making my own drum shell That was the the main thing that I want when I just started to start ebb and ore to have my own sound identity So it's I decided to to buy some tools and I was a mechanical engineer So it was not new for me to To work with tools and everything that what is was new. It was to work with wood uh, I hadn't Not a lot of knowledge about wood, but Had a lot of friends who work with wood and did who did some studies in woodworking and everything. So, um I took a lot of people in my project to to start my our own process to make our uh drum shed that are made with the Stave technique so stave method All blocks and everything. So we work only with uh, north american wood mainly from kubek maple cherry walnut so Yeah, that's where we we started the company and uh, it built our Beautiful base for us to to have our sound nor good in our drum shell. So Yeah, which I mean that I think as as listeners of this show people usually know that that not every brand makes their shells Absolutely nothing wrong with a brand not making their own shells. No, because yeah, if you do wow Yeah, it's it's it's I have so much respect about all the uh, the other brands like I said I mentioned I can I think about SGC. I think about so much brands in the u.s Here in kubek. We had some beautiful drum brands too But I wanted to make to have it. It is more about the control quality control the Supplying chain control to make our own thing and I will probably mention later But it's the same with the hardware hardware today because we make or or logs or hoop Or photon brackets and everything in house at now. So but I would talk about this maybe later So it's more about supplying chain and everything and um so Yeah, but yeah, so much respect about the killer And other brands who use some some of that those shells This week's episode is brought to you by my friend, mr. 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So be sure to find them at the the drum shows and say hello and tell them You heard them Heard this ad on drum history and just say hi to jeff. So thank you to jeff and the rogers drums usa group for sponsoring this episode So you started building wooden drums first. Did you start with just snares or did you build a kit or did you go? How did the first? Yeah, first first order in 2000 woman 2014 was a cherry wood snare drum 14 by 7. I remember there was a guy here in Near a lake megan tic So, uh, yeah, cherry wood snare drums We we were only man work with wood at that time metal drums came after in 2017 But it was a snare drums and the ordered right after was a beautiful black walnut kit Uh from a good frame. So yeah, it's it was many I was working only with north american wood like I was saying and it's uh, I was using a lot of oil finish Using a generic parts uh triple flange hoops logs and everything so the yeah, so it's a pretty pretty fun Start with the company when people wanted to to buy your drums and I I went step by steps So the the first steps to make to spread the brands more here in kubek was to uh to get ambassador, so uh, thanks so much for my ambassadors here in kubek olivier leuc Dominique genatin steve. They are so uh So helpful for to spread the brands here in kubek and on social media. So yeah, yeah a lot of ambassador here well, I think that like Uh, josh allen from indie drum was talking about this a couple episodes ago about like you can do marketing You can buy ads you can do all this stuff, but like Really the best thing and it's slow at first is just create quality drums And word will spread and our community will will will talk about things And I find it more and more that you see like a drum shop post videos of you That's the best kind of marketing a forum people are posting and talking about you your snares Can't beat that. Yeah, the organic thing Uh, it's the best to to to spread the brands in the drum drummers community for sure Yeah, um Like I was on the road a lot a lot when I started company I was in some little drum show here in kubek the international drum festival in kubek from routh angelo uh, I was uh a lot in the The the show with uh drummers I was in kubek montreal. I was in montreal every month. So I was I was doing three hour drive every month To go to montreal meets drummer Uh at some studio and Showcase my drums the uber nor drums So yeah, it's a it's it was a lot of work the first five years of uh of business uh to to develop the brands and Literally try to survive, but now we are at a different step and it's uh, I structured the The business so much differently. So I learned a lot during those first five years. It's uh Yeah, it's a a good challenge for uh people people want to to To to uh to launch a brand or something. It's uh, yeah, but it's so fun to so fun to do It is fun to do and I I think there's like a big thing in like the drum world or the business world where people talk a lot about how Failure is so important not to say that you failed or whatever But you learn from these failures, but I think it's also important to say that Failure sucks and it's really miserable in the moment and it's not pleasant And you that's what you need to get through of like because people really praise like you you really do only learn from your Mistakes that you make I did a lot and that's how you grow But it's not it's not fun at the at the time when there's when there's things that are uh, it's a tough road Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I didn't I learned a lot about my mistakes and drum building On the business side. So but there they are always there to To you grew up when you you do mistakes. So I always do Mistakes, but I learned a lot about them. So for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well on the note of like successes Let's talk the first five years or I mean even with the podcast I have like moments where people ask the question of like What is something that's like there? What was like, uh, you went from here to here moment and for me it was Mike Johnston sharing it My show on the modern drummer podcast. It was like that's a notable mark of like that worked out well What about you? What's your first like this you jumped up like that was a big move forward A big move was yeah The one came came come to my mind. It's the uh in 20 Yeah 2020 a big moment was the when Todd Zuckerman Decided to buy snare drums from from us But I decided to to get contact with him and he isn't is it is it so a gentleman? And yeah, yeah, he decided to buy the Narendra copper snare drums and he was So gentle to to do some video for us about the Narendra copper so It really turns out another game for the international sales and everything's it give him so much credibility when Todd the show show his drum on The snare drums of the week on drum hero. So yeah, yeah, he's a gentleman that is Yeah, thanks Todd for what what you did. It's so appreciate. Yeah, perfect example That's exactly what it is. But but you earned it. You didn't solicit and go out and say do this do this Which there's nothing wrong with that either but that's cool, man. That's awesome. It came naturally. Yeah, for sure But another thing and another game changer in the ebonore history is the in 2019 we I just I had to to do a move because When I was I had to a shop the first shop was in Saint-Romain. So the little village Here in Quebec. It was the a garage from my broader and he decided to sell the the garage for another project and I had to find another Building to make the drums so had to to search for for not a little building and I found one here in Saint-Sébastien just near 10 minutes away from Saint-Romain And that's where we are. It's a 4,000 square feet building. So where we It's really changed everything the the all the process to build a drum is so much easier now It's some more functional We so I above the building My house is in the building, but it's complete completely There's no communication from my house inside To the shops how I have to go outside to you go to the shop. It's uh, I learned Before because I was living in my shop In the first shop in Saint-Romain. So my Apartment was directly in the shop. The toilet was in the shop So I was always too close too close that was too close So I learned about that and I decided to split everything when I I above the second building so But it changed it changed everything buying that That that buildings and during that time my father too decided to come Join the my my um my team but not my team but join me because we are a team now We are two in the shop And I have two another employee here. Emil who worked with me with the um the parks He made a lot of parts but my father Decided to join me to in the in the business business has the master builder of The drum building parts and everything. So he's a really nice artisan. So My father who showed me a lot when I was young decided to join and It was so easy to uh to communicate with him to show him how I was making the drum So is my uh is I appreciate so much to work with him because He works like me. So I have so yeah, he's have so much trust in him to uh to make the drums And develop the process more and more and more so to make definitely easier faster And to to have all the quality in our drums too. So Yeah, he must be very proud. Yeah, he must be very proud of you to like you've started this you've you've stuck with it You created a business and you said Kind of like he's working like the way you work But you learned probably how to do a lot of stuff from him. So you guys probably have this When your family you have this like unspoken Kind of connection. Yeah, that's right. We have we have that that connection and Like I said the unspoken language because now he's working and you know what to do how to do it and What what is on the table now and what is the priority is that and the prior second priority is this so Yes, we do meeting meeting every week to to make sure everything Uh, uh, is progress progressing goods, but I have a lot of stress and I know he's proud to to work with me because it's We will work together every day and we share so much we share so much together And I am proud to to to work with him. It's a beautiful relation that we had so That leads to the next question of uh, so we're up till with your your history I mean, we're up to today things seem like they're going great. I mean Are are the drums you're building now? I'm looking on your website and they're you've clearly got it down. They're beautiful Are are they made to order or how does that work? Do you do you make them for a shop on? Yeah, what's that process? So it's all the way it was always made to order we sometimes we have in stock drums in stock snare drums or at The moment I don't have drums in stock. I just sold it Last week so but I I always have one kit maybe two three snare drums in stock But it's always two orders. So at the moment we have I think 12 drum kits to make uh, but the things uh in 2020 when the pandemic happened another Things that change everything was the supply in chain so when the pandemic arrived I was about to uh To buy some equipment or not equipment, but to I was about to throw some money uh to a company in in taiwan to make our own uh Signature hardware, but it was when the pandemic arrived at I was Seeing to myself. No, no. No, I don't have to do this. I would keep my money here And I decided to buy some equipment. So uh a product production late Uh some tooling to make all the hardware here in the house in the shop So that changed everything for us all the looks the signature visual signature on our drums So we make all the logs all the that are made from um Brass solid brass Wow, I have for the guys who listen. I have one here. So that's a yeah a brass log that we we make on our late beautiful and uh, I have a here should be here. I have here um a beautiful bronze hoops So we make all the bronze zoom the logs and the brackets um in the shop the bronze hoops are a silver weld. So my My father decided to to became a uh a real I think it's a jewelry jewelry Um, oh the jewel like jewelry. Yes. That's right. So jewelry used used a lot of silver to weld parts So my father decided to develop all that process here in the shop So to make beautiful, uh bronze hoops on our Drums so out of town and the the snare drums have that was a bronze hoops We I'm very very proud of that because it's a it changed everything on the Supplying chain because when during the covet was so difficult to have parts. Oh my gosh, it was so difficult Wild man. I can't believe that that's more respect than ever because of again, there's nothing wrong with using like like Uh a supplier for parts, whatever absolutely great I have suppliers and I had a lot of supplier for drum parts and still have because I'm not making the tension rod. I'm not making the the claws And it's only that but I have to buy the these parts too. So uh the heads and everything but Yeah, it's yeah, but it's it's it changed everything everything because We we can I can have 12 drum kits at the moment and I have everything to make them those kits here in my shop I just have to transform The brass on different equipment and that's what makes our I think our drums unique In terms of sound and looks and uh, yeah So it's yeah, it changed everything when we we I decided to jump into that it was not easy to To make happen because it takes money it takes a lot of passions because you don't have the exact Final project when you you start so it takes a lot of passions to make those those drum parts Sure, uh, but I'm looking on your website here You have there's a cherry wood drum set with smoke burst finish heavy feather collection Which we got to talk about those and then there's black walnut I mean just so everyone knows these drum sets are like $3,200 which That's extremely fair for a I mean these are hand built drums. So they're not Crazy priced. I mean, they're a professional high level drum set Which is very common with that price, but knowing that you're making every single thing on there That's about that's a pretty good price man. That's that's very fair Yeah, and I I know how to to make drums parts and everything but the When you have to make money you have to make money to buy tools to to you have to make money to buy More to live. Yeah to live and everything to reinvest in your business, but when you you want to To save it's always a time. So I I wanted to I know what when I wanted to do and the way to do it is was to to save sometimes to Make the final projects and to conserve the quality of the product for sure. So yeah Let's talk about working with aluminum the Heavy feather collection because I keep seeing that online. I keep seeing Your snare drums in particular kits. Yes, but we all know that snare drums are like more attainable There's something that someone can just buy and throw on their kit Without fully committing to a drum set and man, they sound great from everything I've heard online Thanks, thanks a lot What's it like? I mean the way you work with the metal and the finish and everything is just amazing So everything starts with a request from from customer nick So A shout out to nick who who wanted to have copper snare drums And in 2000 I think 2017. Yeah and So it came to me with that request and I was okay, man. I have to I wanted to create a collection. So that's where our collection came with the norenda copper collection So, uh, it's a copper shell That is the cold rulled antique welded Here we do a beautiful patina finish Outside and inside of the shell it took approximately Uh 8 to 12 hours to make all that beautiful crazy patina For those who want to see it you go you can go on our instagram or on our website to see that That finish. Yeah, and what it's awesome. Yeah, what it it is funds with that finish is that it is unique every time so the patterns are always difference the colors and everything so it's a beautiful drums and Um Yeah, that's there's a lot of interest about the the drum drummers community in that product Uh, we saw a lot of hearing a lot here in kubek I have some in the uk in the in the united states australia to have some some nice customer around around the world. So The copper was the the first uh metal that Where I decided to work with for snare drums but like you like you probably know drummers are Wanted to know If you can make a snare you probably can make a drum kit. So I had a real request to make a drum kit. So I had to make one for A customer and so but they are really expensive I think I don't have the uh norenda copper drum set on my website because it's it's just to uh Yeah, it's it's a long process to make but Maybe in the next month. I will put one on my website more for the yeah for people to order it So it would be a whole kit in that wild patina finish them. Yes. I may I may I think three or four kits like that They are really expensive because copper is so much expensive Yeah, but um, yeah a whole kit with that crazy pattern patina finish. Yeah And so you've got your aluminum heavy feather collection. Yeah, the the aluminum is uh, another funny material to work with I I think I my personal kit Was because it's I just recently sell it but I had want it was a aluminum kit so Aluminum is fun to work with have completely different sound from copper um For those who don't know copper is more warm. You will have more resonant sound into copper But you will get that sharp attack a beautiful definition so Into aluminum and copper, but aluminum is more drier. It's a drier sound Yeah Like an acrylite that but yours are much more. That's right like an acrylite or Yeah lm 402 Yes, it is more isn't it made with aluminum But I decided to make the heavy feather collection with aluminum because I'm a fan of a of logic ludwig drums Especially with that jambonum snare drums the lm 402 snare drums And that that that is that snare drums who inspired me to make that heavy feather collection because I wanted to have heavy sound But you you it is light material so you get you get the lightness with that but It is so much heavy, especially when you do a 24 inches kick bass drum It's so heavy you get that big power sound with beautiful sharp attack and People who wants to have that a lot of attack in their sound Aluminum is the best to use. I I know That a birch or are you other woods can give that attack But aluminum is fun when you have to something different In terms of sound but to have that attack and powerful into and drums. It's it's fun to do for what? Punk drummers metal drummers love that those drum kits a lot, but I have some drummers have one here in Quebec small Um is using his heavy feather for a pop gig because he's not a heavy player. He don't play drums Hard but He you know, so we don't have to play hard to have a lot of Output from the the drums. So it's he really appreciate that of those drums So the range of dynamics it's it is funds to to play Do you do something? Looking at them like they all seem to have like a bit of a patina to those as well So we do another oxidation process on the aluminum It takes shorter times to do on that, but it's always unique. It is more a smoky or Yes, that's a good way to put it smoky finish on it. It's fun to If you don't have to if you don't have if you don't want to have too much colors in the finish The patina finish and I'm in this font For that because it's more Yeah smoky finish. I would say you can look at them on the on our website too but Yes, it's always unique all At the same times we we can we don't control it. We don't we don't control the How it will happen it depends of the humidity in the hair The the temperature of the solution that we put into it But it's always it's fun to use that Something you don't have control to it and you put it in there and modern nature do what she wanted to do and That's absolutely These are really really cool and and the one thing and maybe you can answer this of like How does one builder let's say using aluminum or aluminium who would depending on where you're from Like how does how do you differentiate using metal drums? Like what's your special Thing with making these drums as opposed to a different aluminum snare versus a different brass snare How can people because wood there's different styles, but how do you make these special for ebonorm? Yeah, that that's a nice question because in a snare drums or drums there's so much Element in a drums that will influence the sound First the material that you use the thickness the edges the the depth The diameter all the various elements will influence the sound the head the drummer and everything so What makes our drum special is What I decided to do is to use A thickness so the copper is 116 of an inch thick And we do a 45 Angle on the On the sharp end of the shell And it's the same with the aluminum, but it's a little bit thicker For the aluminum so there's not a bit of shell like the acrylite or other Metal snares from example Ludwig who have those beaded shell and edges and the gauge of the Sheet of a copper or aluminum is a thinner So I went thicker for a shell, but I don't have to do those Beaded things so you will have a different sound When you do those beaded thing into the the shell it make a shell a bit stronger, but the The fundamental pitch go upper so all those elements will influence the sounds so Yeah, and I think what makes our drums unique is for sure. It's all that but it's the finishes and when you see it on the On the web but in person for sure all the hardware that we put on it So we we have just to mention we have the Our brass lugs and bronze so the ebonore signature hardware. We have it in the black finishes We have it in the antique brass finish like the this one like the hoops that I've show earlier So it's a beautiful antique finish that we do On the hardware and we have the the brush finish on the brass Another thing that we can mention to the Metal Ebonore drums, it's the My new my new collection Of drums. It's the antique brass So the snare that is very popular at the moment. I have a very cool drummer. It looks like wood. I mean it's beautiful Yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful raw finish antique so it's we we put it into some a bat of Something that we used to do that oxidation on the brass and get that brownish Finish on the shell. So it's really cool. We have some A lot of drummer that use it and why why I decided to do that collections and it was I think yeah, it was two years ago. Yeah, two years ago. I was reading the books of the of Dave Grohl The storyteller. I think it's that so yeah, and sure When I was reading that book I decided to to play a lot of nirvana song and all that stuff and And when I was hitting that a snare a snare drums, I was making the them The brass shell at that moment the antique brass collection and I was playing a lot of smell-like-teens period and That kind of yeah, what's the classic nirvana? Yeah, a classic nirvana the uh The other song who we you do you do a lot of flam and a lot of rim shots. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was okay. That's I need to do a collection with that kind of brass shell so brass is beautiful material to work with it's so fun to work with brass It's not easy to weld You have to to to develop a good process To the to weld that to have a good temperature and everything So it's a little difficult to to weld but once you have it it go pretty pretty easy So, uh, yeah, I haven't sterling I haven't sterling in the u.s. Have one Uh Of that, uh, cool collection the antique brass Um, I had my good friend paid in hillard to uh in the nashville, tennessee who have one there's a couple drummer here in kubek Some in in the uh in the uk also So, uh, yes, it's it's a fun. That's a fun snare drums to to work with because you you can go With Brass can do and everything so when you have a go-to snares to use is uh, you go with with uh with that brass Yeah, that's good to know. It's a good suggestion. They're not the cheapest snares in the world Any brass snare is known as just there. They're a more expensive material, but It sounds like you can use them for everything. So that's that's a great suggestion. Um, I want to talk a little bit about, uh, the community which we all love the community We're a big part of it, but on your website I see there's a community tab where it talks about a cool experience you do is this still happening It was just before covet or what's the what's the story with the ebb and ore community Yeah, yeah, that was before covet. Uh, maybe maybe next year I will do some things for the 10 anniversary of ebb and ore because uh every every year before covet I was doing the Open doors haven't at the shop. So A lot of drama from Montreal, Quebec, Gaspisia or around Quebec, maybe Ontario I have some from the US from Vermont Maine come to the the shop and hang here in the shop and try the new collection and drink beer and all that stuff And just just hang and and share and that's so much important in the community is to share about your gear Even if it's not a bit or I am a gear free to have an album. Cool. Yeah. I have a key drums I have so just to share about drum gear with the other drummers is so fun to do so Yeah, it's it was a nice evidence to to put drummers together Here and share about drums and discover new products that I have to so Yeah, I mean, it's been said before I'll say it again. We have a very special community That is different than uh, I mean not that I really know I'm not in the guitar community But I know that our drum community of brothers and sisters of in the drums are it's very special You know our bond it's uh There's so much so much respect Here in Quebec for sure about yeah what The no matter about what gear you have no matter about where you are at that drums. It's there's a respect that is so you can feel it when you share about drums and I yeah, it's it's fun to to to put drummers together and see what happened after that It's like they're speaking everything and about bearing edges. What's your type of wood and everything? so That's a kind that's a part of my job that I had that I love a lot to share about what I do So it's always a pleasure to to have a call from drummers to explain How how I do drum because when when someone come come here to order drums Or a maybe a custom size of drums or some things I always take times to to ask a question About what he wanted to do with with drums what he what he's looking for It's so important to to know what he wants and guide him to To some things that he will endure. So it's important for me to do that and share It's great. And you know, it's just it's also neat to hear about the community I mean, I'm in the you know, united states and to hear about this happening up in canada where it's like A different community and and you I mean where where you are is mainly like french speaking. Yeah, french speaking Yes, that's the main language that we have here. But which is very cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but it's We we we speak french, but all the drums word are all in english. So bearing edges All that stuff or that's interesting. Yeah to hear a string of french words and then bearing edges and then Yeah, but that's cool though I like to hear about and and I'm thinking of asba drums, which is french french, you know over there But to hear about these these You know parts of the world and and here in you know, our north american and the continent that's cool to hear about this But you just you it's nice to hear about these different communities and drummers and things like that But it's kind of universal Our love of drums does not it there's no language barrier. It crosses borders Yeah, it is it is and we we have them A special drum festival here in kubek the ralph and jillio drum festival That I think it was the last one Last year But I think it was it is 20 25 years anniversary But ralph the the owner of the field stable did that kind of festivals Since so much years and you wanted to put all the drummers together and uh It brings a lot of professional drummer thomas lang Steve smith all that big names at the festival to to do some clinics and it's it was nice to have that kind of community here in kubek but Yeah, something cool that I can mention to is that that community or drum partnership is We can feel it also in canada too because We have drumio Thanks to to jared And how the guy's there It's so fun to to to share with them Yeah, we were featured on drumio. Yeah. Yeah was featured which that's a bump. You know what I mean? That's a that's a That's a nice bump. Yes. Yes jared. I mean jared for the first time. I think at the ralph festival international festival I think two or three few four years ago And he said man if I if you need Help for something. Let me know we'll arrange something. So I think it's two years ago. I I've sent him An aranda copper snare drums to review with The guys there brandon and the Um Dave that's right. So you can find that video on drumio I don't know what was the the name of the episode but They did a did a review and Mention us and yeah, it's it's a funny video to look You look at I think the asba drums was there to to to be reviewed. There's a beautiful community I have a good friend in canada My good friend brian cymbalock. He had the The store we got the beat. So that's the name of the store Is a good friend. He he have it's like a dealer for from ebonore dealer here in canada Yeah, so he will have our new collection the the antique brass But in full kit version so he will have it so for those who I think there's there's some people watch that video. You can see the the kit of the Uh of brian riding near me. So it's uh, it could be a beautiful antique brass kit. So uh full brass shell kit Yeah, well, I gotta ask you speaking of full kits. I'm on your website under the our work section and pretty quickly you scroll down and there is a Giant drum set that is an ebonore drum set That has octobons. It's got a gong bass drum. It's got terry bozio style four toms mounted like up above you on a rack What is the story of this drum set? Yeah, yeah, sorry for laughing because it's oh no, it's it was a crazy project to make so You can see a big a big big rack So it's a gibral gibraltar rack So I did all the uh the racks myself. So I took all the parts order and the The the parts who was so difficult to do is is to hoarder those parts from my Distributor here in gibraltar. I wait so much long about all those snare snare stands all those Tom suspension and everything so sure. So that's uh, I think there's 25 Uh piece of drums. So bass drums. There's tim ballies tim ballies. So Okay, it's a 6 8 10 12 13 14 15 16 18 Tom's two bass drums 222 bass drums. So Uh, there's a neren the copper snare drums 14 by 6 in the five and a half there was uh bird's-eyes maple Snare drums because that kit is all made of bird's-eyes maple So all the octabands all the tom's the bass drums are made from from solid bird-eyes maple Wow, and it's all stave. Is it all staves? So the octabands you can see The octabands are stave. So the I think there was uh 24 inches long octaban Hey So this is crazy. It's a big kit. So there was four two bands two tim ballies and a gong drum plus a second Yeah, like you mentioned a second, uh line of eight 10 12 treating tom's upper Man, that's a crazy like for for people who are listening and not watching. I mean it is literally imagine A rack like you normally see on a drum set in front of you And then a second tier of a rack where you would have things hanging and then there's a third layer of the rack It's almost like a cage. I mean it's it is it's awesome. You have you have drums All around you so it's uh, it's uh, you like terribos you kits, but yes only two Was this for a famous drummer or was this just for someone who's a big enthusiast, uh, a big enthusiast and passion drummer Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Well, congrats to them. Yeah, yeah When he came to me with that project, I was man, you're not serious. It's not it's not a serious project It's do you have money for that? Is it is it is it? I wasn't gonna be at the be the I wasn't gonna ask and be rude But holy cow, this has got to be an expensive drum. It is it is really expensive because the rack all the rack the tubes the the brackets the uh costs a lot so but I think the kits took me but I did I give him to my customer. I give him I think Seven months to build that kit. So we we build that kit And other kits for sure We had four or five kits at the same times. We took seven months to to order the parts and build everything So it's a high gloss finish to uh chrome black chrome Hardware triple flinch hoops uh Yeah, it's uh the guy said, okay, let's go. I have money and let's make I have he said I want to have all the drums you can make all the sizes. Oh man It's a showpiece for you. It's a it's a it's a display for your website It's an absolute you're scrolling and you stop and go. Whoa. What's that? That is yeah, it is amazing. What is that? That's exactly right. Every time I put every time I put that kit on instagram. I get like thousand thousand likes Yeah, which is good. Can't do it too much, but it's nice to share like once a year or something Yeah, um as we get close to the end here. I mean you you've learned a lot Is there any tips or tricks that you would give to people who are interested in Getting into the world of drum building you're 10 years in What's your like biggest, you know, I wish I knew this at the beginning kind of stuff Yeah for like I'm not I'm not like Yeah, I learned a lot about drum buildings, but I have a lot to learn too I'm always learning so for someone who wants to to learn more about drum buildings just Try try to do some things like to To tune your drums. If you don't try to tune it Nobody will do it. So just just try to make some drums if I started to make drums with Refurbishing projects so all the rats the bearing edges on whole all the rays are singling So and when I started the company too, I was offering a refurbishing Um services, but I don't do it because I have now because I Uh, I don't do it anymore because I have too much. I don't know drums to do But uh for someone who wants to to know about more drum building is to look at their drums and just dive in to the drums to to Put down all the other areas on your drums and everything and to just to play with the your drums And modify some things or do bearing just a good way to start drum building in the interest it's put hands and I haven't I I learned a lot On my day-to-day job here In my shop to to try something but I learned a lot to to listen to videos or to share with other A drum builder because it's it's they are all drummers. So it's uh, there's a nice drum builder community out there All around the world. So it's it's fun to share with drum builders. It's uh, We don't have nothing to There's no secret. It's if you want to to find something on the internet now you will find it. So it's It's for me. I always want to share about my works with other builders or give give them some something Try or a way to to start so to look at something Yeah, absolutely. And nowadays it's it's I don't want to say tough It's it's a good thing and it's tough because you have to be your own You have to do all your marketing too. You have to do the social media. You have to do youtube You have to do all that stuff which is very important. But the thing is that That's the thing that I love of my job is because I always do something different. I don't I don't do Always, okay, make the same logs Five days away. It's okay. I do some logs. Okay. I have to to give some calls to do it to customer Or I have to order some parts. Oh Wait, I have to finish some today. I have to to to go to the paint shop so it's it's fun to to do always stuff That are different like that and uh, yes, it's uh It's it's a beautiful job and it's The thing is I think that the hardest hardest parts is the business side because when you You drum building it's for me. It's the easiest Parts the business it's it's all it's difficult because you have to deal with Problems you have to deal with cancellation. You have to deals with back orders Yeah taxes and taxes and everything but it's not it's funny because I start every year stealing myself. I want to have fun Doing drums and manage the business and it's sometimes tough, but I wanted to have a fun A fun job. So it's and I work with my father every day. We had So some days we we don't exchange. We don't talk together But it's because we know we have what we have to do But it's it's always fun to to share and develop a new machine Here in the shop. We we have some beautiful Uh non-conventional machines to make drums. So we we build our own tooling here All the the machine to to drill holes into the drums Some machine to for the finishing process So we build our own machine In the shop, that's awesome That's very cool. That's like what you're paying for when you buy your drums Is this one of a kind kind of proprietary stuff where In the end they're all round drums that we hit and play for fun But but the process and the story and all that I think people Yes, really enjoy. Yes, and When you you buy a ebonore drum, it's like you yes, you buy the what you see Maybe on the website or you see but when you we we exchange or when you Drummer come to the shop. You see What we how we build our drums We may we make our lugs every single lugs one at the time. So You see that. Okay. It's it's handmade from from scratch. So it's it's not only from generic but generic stuff are good because It's always a question of time But I decided decided to that we had enough time to make our drums parts and everything so it's It's a plus value to the customer by draw ebonore drums and it's it's an experience So it's it's not just a drums. It's an experience that the people For sure very well put Is there anything we can look forward to from ebonore that you're like really excited to be producing soon You've talked about some stuff along the way, but like yeah next big things that you're working on Yeah, yeah, we have a so next big thing for for us. It's the The uh, we we will be at the uk drums show This year's in september end of september. So I will not be there, but uh, my ambassador in the uk so anthony johns and matt par These are my two ambassador in the uk will be at the show to showcase some of ebonore drums The heavy feather kit and all the snare drums that we have nice and some things new that is That i'm cooking in the moment. It will be a another snare collection, but not for now I will not say any more about that but not for now because we focus more on the antique brass snare drums and kit we we don't have Show a lot of kit on social media So we have a beautiful recording That was made by my good friend celestine here in cobec about the antique brass snare drums We have also Another partnership here in cobec is the dramatec My friend micho is a is a teacher. So he's teaching to a student with ebonore drums and he's also it's a showroom In the city here in centaisent We can't showcase ebonore drums to people who would like to see it. So That's another that's great that we have at the moment. So that we are proud. Yeah Yeah Well, you're smart. You're you're moving fast, but you're not moving too fast and you're not taking on Yeah, it's staying in action is the key. So yeah, yeah, that's true man. That's great Uh, so i'm looking at you you guys have a youtube channel that i'll put in the link in the description You want to tell people your website and your social media and all that stuff and yeah So for people who would like to to see uh to see us, uh, we we put a lot of uh photo video on instagram So it's ebonore percussion on instagram. We have uh The facebook ebonore percussion or the website ebonore percussion dot com Uh, that's that's the main uh the three main, uh channel that we have We have also our youtube if you wanted to listen Uh about some uh record and you just have to Recording you just have to put to type ebonore on youtube. So you would have everything Yep, perfect kind of smart because ebonore if you search it you find you guys There's not many different like some some things if you search you find a thousand things It's always just ebonore. So that was that was smart. Um So uh real quick before we end i want to thank brandon green and uh j kulkarni again for The recommendation because you are you've represented your brand very well today on the on the show and and you're like Yes, the show is drum history, but you're like modern drum history I mean 10 years in and you're already you've done a lot in that that amount of time So you should uh be very proud and thanks represented your brand. Well and thanks to you Bart I really appreciate the opportunity about the to make the drum history podcast I'm a big fan of the podcast. I think I have listened about of the all the episode About drumming for sure, but uh the nilpert series, but thanks for the making all that for the community It's so much. I appreciate My pleasure and and on that note just while we're talking i'll tell people i'm gonna try and do more of those gear episodes Uh paul wells is coming back on we're gonna do he's he did the the nil series. He's gonna do um A look at tony williams gear and then i've got one about laura's all riches drum sets That's gonna be out soon. That is like a mega deep dive So people can look forward to that so um anyway will thank you very much for being here Congrats on all your success and maybe someday at a drum show we'll meet in person, uh, but until then Yes, thank you for being here my friend. Thanks a lot For the pleasure