 Please, so I have to blush. So don't meet the DJ, we'll have a conversation with you later on, you'll get to know him but you know the protocol. Badun has a send in your request to E-Circuit M-Y-2-5-4 that's on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Na piya, kwa ko aneza kusendiawapi? Don't meet the DJ, it's don't meet the DJ. It's don't meet the DJ everywhere. Safika bisen. Now, ali aneza kwa nangia about Chiluba. Onezam pata Chiluba music, ama onezam pata Chiluba dance, ama onezam pata kwa Chiluba Chiluba. Every one on social media. That distinction don't try taka kwingili aneza. So welcome back to the Isage Chiluba. Thank you guys, thank you for having me. You're a choreographer, you're a singer-songwriter. But you're very passionate about both. Yeah, yeah, because you know dance and music go hand in hand. Like it's natural. So you're constantly creating in the realm of music. Every time, every time. But why that distinction especially on your social media? Because there's Chiluba dance on Instagram and yet there's also Chiluba music. Just a correction there. We made that correction with my team. So now it's strictly Chiluba the one. Say in a Chiluba the one. That's on Instagram and the rest is just Chiluba. The rest is Chiluba. So yeah. Glad to have you back. Because I was having a conversation with Emalia. I was like, where did you go on social media? Because I remember was following dance and music. Yeah. So now it's Chiluba the one. Chiluba the one on every social media platform. Yeah, yeah. You did a tour recently. You went to Europe. Yeah. And tell me about that experience because you were constantly working whenever you were here in Nairobi. You were either choreographing or making music or doing your own videos because now you're an established artist on your own right. And along with choreographing for any other artist. Yeah. So tell me about that experience now, cheering for yourself? The tour was dope. Because you know, us dancers from Kenya, choreographers, we don't get to tour that much because lately Afro beats, Afro beats seen as taken everything as a sum. So most of the guys were touring in Nigeria, Ghanaian, South Africans. So it was a big thing for me as a Kenyan dancer, East African, to go and teach dance in Europe. You get. It showed that I had the levels because I'm teaching things those guys teach but on another level and that was a good experience to show them. But they can't chukucha the way we chukucha. Like there's also that mentality where all white people can't dance or blah blah. Those guys can dance. It's just the same way we do there. All their staff really good. We have really dope rappers and rap came from the other side. So those guys out there also can dance. It's just how it's now we're like level, level ground. Sosa tushindani sosa on that level because of the internet now I can't really say that I can do something better than a white person or vice versa. Now we're in the same level. Kajende, kajende. Kajende, kajende. What about in terms of music now? Do you feel like now we're level because there's always been that conversation. First of all, they were like, no Kenya has no content and we know we have content then there was like we're not working hard enough in terms of music. Yeah. Now do you feel we're level in that realm of music not just dance as well? That thing, we had that really long conversation about play Kenyan music and you know it was a long one. I was always making noise on Twitter, Instagram. I was there and I didn't believe on this thing Kenyan artists are not working hard because I'm one of them and I know my colleagues. I know guys are working. I've worked with so many superstars across Africa. I know they are working. Content-wise again, there is there. Let me confirm to you that we have content. Why are people now jamming to songs like Kwan Blambes and all those? Yes. Two years ago, they used to say that song doesn't have content. You get. So it's just we need to change how we think. It's basically just the mentality. The perspective. It's just how you look at it. You now... Do you feel like as Kenyans we're not really appreciating our own in terms of entertainers? Yeah, we don't. It's known. It's known all over. We don't appreciate what is ours. It's a problem that I can't say I'm also the best because I've been there. Before I started doing music, I used to hate on Kenyan musicians just because I didn't know what goes in behind the scenes. Now that I do, I see it from a whole new level. It's not what I used to think. So what do you mean exactly? I used to say, oh, Kenyan musicians don't have content or their stuff is not quality enough. But as a musician, you get to know the challenges these guys go through. And you know most musicians across Kenya and generally Africa, they fund themselves. In the U.S., you judge a Kenyan or an African artist on that level yet these guys have big record levels which put in millions of dollars to push a project. You get it. And here you're pushing it yourself. Yeah, here for example, I'm a choreographer. I have to make money from the choreography, pay all the bills that are outstanding and then the music again you have to pay for everything. The videos, the recording. Yeah, somebody out there has a budget of one million dollars for one project. Out there one million dollars, that's like 100 million and that is for an average artist there. And here, you can't even talk of one million for one project you get. Yeah, so it's just the reality that maybe fans out there don't know. It comes with so many things attached to it. Yeah, but the music itself I think it's really dope. Quality wise we are coming up slowly by soul. Yeah. I like that. I like that. Now you used to work with I don't know if you're still working with them. You used to choreographer for Souti Soul. There was an interview you did last year with Kristian Kiay on the e-sakit. You were saying the most important part was learning from them. And understanding the music business because you were ready to jump in and just dive in and dominate it. Which you're doing now. What do you feel you've learned so far by yourself not just from that experience touring with them now you as an artist? I learned one thing in music. It's mostly like the main thing is just the marketing of the song. It's not even sometimes you've had average songs being very big hits that's the reality of the business. Sometimes the marketing is everything. And some of these songs from TZ and Nigeria they just well marketed. Some of them are just average songs which are well marketed. Well marketed. That is something I've learned. So if you can get that fill that gap unfortunately that gap comes with budget most of the time. The budget you're talking about Yeah the budget really how do you think set you apart Beyonce's album gets to us it's a budget there's a budget which makes sure for marketing and pushing that song. Yeah and some people will argue and say oh Wamlambez is big and maybe they didn't have budget but as a businessman you don't look at chance you don't write a song hoping it will go viral you get it happens once in a while not all songs go viral so you can't hope for that it can happen you don't know you don't know that that's the song gets to a level where it just carries itself but you have to do the work you have to push it you get yeah and do you think that's on us the artists or is it the media or is it the PR executives we're not really pushing our music outside what do you think post to blame in this situation I don't think it's for now I don't think I will blame anyone I just feel again the mentality of how we look at our artists because sometimes I might send a song to to a DJ that song might have my name but the same song can be sent by a bigger like a bigger PR firm the same song they will not open that email from me but they might open it from that PR firm you get so imagine how many artists don't have the access to the PR firm the PR firm which will do that you get so that means there's so many songs which go unheard otherwise the DJ might have liked the song and actually because if DJs like your song it will be a big song if they push it it will be a big song so it's all about the marketing and you know how it's pushed because for me I have DJs who play my songs and we have never met you get you just send the email and they happen to open it like the stuff and now I'm getting calls yo your song is played somewhere blah blah blah both in Kenya and outside Kenya you get so yeah it means us artists should the DJs and media should be ready to check out what these artists giving out you get nice now to you Chiluba the artist we were having a discussion earlier about now the type of music you're planning to do let's talk about that yeah so for me lately I've been doing Afropop and for me I love Afropop very many people love Afropop but it's becoming more difficult to push Afropop in Kenya yeah at the moment and it's I'm trying to look forwards yeah you know the Ganga Ton sound is really picking up which is a good thing because for me I'm happy I'm not doing that style but I'm happy because for once we have like five of the biggest songs in Kenya at Kenya for once for once last year the same time it wasn't the same case there's more acceptance because of the vasification yeah so it gives us a challenge but again I believe nothing is impossible still yeah nothing is impossible because the new guys like Ben Solar still doing it and it's it's causing conversations so I think it's possible it's just a little bit harder so it's now up to me as an artist to see am I ready to push it like or am I ready to confirm to now the what the media is playing exactly so now up to the artist and the strategist with him and the team what makes sense for you that individuality part as an artist and you know in your own creative space that is the most difficult part right because you're like if I want to succeed like those people I need to make music like those people but maybe that's not your style right yes sometimes especially this happens with the signed artists some of these signed artists you you might find that they don't they've released a song they're really pushing it but they don't like it if you ask them in person that happens here in in Africa and mostly in the US because if you look at some songs from I was watching a documentary for Tony Tony Braxton yeah she says she didn't like that song Spanish guitar which was one of our biggest hits because the the label said you have to do this song you get so some artists have to do it just because of the strategies the teams have but yeah because these are business decisions they're not just an art artistic decision it's a business decision what will make money so you find that a big artist says my biggest hit wasn't even the song I liked you get so yeah that's what it is nice nice we had a question in the morning you're already smiling yeah I want to explain the question in this scenario in a relationship then something happens you turn off so the question was what's the biggest turn of in a relationship Mama you know within any type of relationship I I guess maybe people especially nowadays for me what really turns off turns me off from people ladies being real guys are not real at all guys are really pretending yeah like the pretence now is so so much it's extreme so yeah and Instagram generation yeah so I'm really when I'm just interacting with somebody I try to look for that and it's not genuine yeah it's not hard to to get it it's so easy so yeah I might stop talking to you and you're the hottest she is speaking of but you don't know speaking of getting it yeah did you get one because I'm sure the lady fans want to know is chiluba still single or is chiluba available and kwa chiluba they want them to foot it slide palika dm slide palika dm washa skia alafu supahu dota reply apu mechaw mubana dota reply apu mechaw mubana dota reply but you're doing big things now why you recently did we're about to premier a song that he did with maxi priest I'm sure you're excited about that one yeah that is about say I that was a big project I've been talking about it for so long we worked with maxi priest one of the biggest registers in the world and I just give thanks you know I always sell myself it's not that I'm the best Kenyan artist he saw in this in this country it's not I'm the bear I just feel it was a chance I got yeah you get I feel like because he could have easily worked with wire very easily by Rachel but yeah in a way we things just happened my way and we did a song that was actually nice it's not that or we the song sounds nice because of maxi priest the song is a good song even if maxi priest is not in the song so it's a blessing and the fact that he came down to Kenya and we shorted a really dope video it's I feel like it was a really humbling thing and I got to talk to him nowadays I talk to him like like anybody else I can just text him and so I ask him this question about the industry because he knows the things that navigate the industry yeah he's been singing since the 80s he was a star since the 80s so imagine and he's still touring right now so imagine how much knowledge he has as we conclude what's the biggest thing you've learnt from maxi priest maxi told me one thing he told me stop buying things to impress people just invest your money that's what I was saying in the morning are you listening when he was in Kenya he was so excited about just taking an uba because that's not the life he used to be so much attention and he was so excited we were walking in town and nobody starts to stare and he was really excited about that and he wasn't dressed in flashy stuff he just told me he was an artist should not buy things to impress people just invest your money and he told me he has invested in real estate all over the world you get and that's why he's still relevant because he has more time to focus on the music because he's not wasting his money 10 months a year like he's always touring always touring yeah even when he came here he just told like three days from his tour we shoot then he got back on the road that's awesome yeah so I land from him and we still talk and he's connecting me to bigger artists so we just keep talking yeah nice like I said earlier on we're about to play Chiluba featuring Maxi Priest say aye but before that Mr. Chiluba thank you so much for coming through thank you camera number four is yours tell us where we can find you and where to subscribe yeah what's up everybody chiluba and you can find me on instagram at chiluba the one actually I was thinking of calling myself the fake chiluba chiluba the one on instagram and chiluba the one on twitter chiluba facebook and anywhere else you feel like looking for me chiluba yeah yeah